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当我初为人父母时，我记得自己站在奶粉货架前完全不知所措，想做出正确选择却不知从何下手。
When I first became a parent, I remember standing in the formula aisle, completely overwhelmed, wanting to make the right choice, but completely unsure where to start.
真希望当时就有Bobby这个品牌。
I wish Bobby had existed then.
他们的故事、透明度和初心，都与我的理念完美契合。
Their story, their transparency, their why, it all aligns with mine.
Bobby正在重新定义'放心喂养'的含义。
Bobby is redefining what it means to feed with confidence.
他们美国农业部认证的欧洲风格有机婴儿配方奶粉，旨在给父母带来安心。
Their USDA organic European inspired infant formulas are designed to give parents peace of mind.
每一批产品在离开美国工厂前都要经过2000多项安全质量检测和第三方测试，因为Bobby团队会为宝宝奶瓶里的成分操心到失眠，只为让父母们能睡个好觉。
Every single batch goes through over 2,000 safety and quality tests, plus third party testing before it ever leaves their US facility because Bobby literally loses sleep over what goes into your baby's bottle so that you don't have to.
由妈妈们创立，被父母们信赖，受到70多万宝宝喜爱（包括我家最小的孩子），Bobby系列配方奶粉荣获多项殊荣，包括2025年最佳有机配方奶粉奖和消费者报告推荐。
Founded by moms, trusted by parents, and loved by over 700,000 babies, including my own Littlest, Bobbi's range of formulas has earned top honors like Baby's List twenty twenty five Top Choice Organic Formula and recognition from customer reports.
无论你是纯配方喂养、混合喂养，还是想在储物柜备一罐应急，Bobby都在这里用包容与关怀支持你的每一次喂养旅程。
Whether you're exclusively formula feeding, combo feeding, or just keeping a backup can in the pantry, Bobbi is here for you, supporting every feeding journey with inclusivity and care.
如果你想对宝宝奶瓶里的成分感到放心，使用优惠码Aspire在hibobbi.com可享9折优惠。
If you wanna feel good about what's in your baby's bottle, get 10% off with code Aspire at hibobbi dot com.
网址是hibobbie.com。
That's hibobbie.com.
优惠码Aspire。
Promo code Aspire.
如果你想拥有最健康的一年，成为最有活力的自己，从这里开始——清理你的护肤品。
If you want to have your healthiest year yet and become the most vibrant version of yourself, start here, cleaning up your skin care products.
它们植根于经时间检验的传统理念，尊重古老智慧、动物源性产品，并通过清洁生活教育指导你在日常生活中建立无毒习惯，实现蜕变效果。
They're rooted in time tested traditional perspectives that honor ancient wisdom, animal based products, and clean living education to guide you in creating nontoxic rhythms and transformative results in your daily life.
他们从农场、森林和田野采购原料，尽可能选用可再生种植的有机野生原料。
From farms, forests, and fields, they source ingredients that are regeneratively grown, organic, and wild crafted wherever possible.
大自然已经给予我们所需的一切。
Nature has given us everything we need.
无需化学物质、香料或滤镜。
No chemicals, fragrance, or filters needed.
他们充满热情地致力于提供经研究验证、效果显著的产品，同时绝不损害您的健康。
They are wildly passionate about providing research backed, results driven products without compromising your health.
凭借数千条五星好评和令人难以置信的使用前后对比照片，他们的产品已被证实能为您的肌肤和整体健康带来积极改变。
Backed by thousands of five star reviews and unbelievable before and after photos, their products are proven to create positive change in your skin and sense of wellness.
若想由内而外焕发光彩、感受健康，改用天然产品是必不可少的。
Swapping for natural options is a must if you want to feel good and glow from the inside out.
Primally Pure品牌已在其全线无毒美容产品中运用了天然成分的力量，涵盖护肤、身体护理、婴儿护理、护发及家居产品。
And Primally Pure has harnessed the power of natural ingredients in their complete line of nontoxic beauty products from skin, body, baby, hair, and home.
您绝不能错过他们拥有大批忠实粉丝的天然除臭剂和动物脂护肤品。
And you can't forget their cult following natural deodorant and tallow skincare products.
Primally Pure产品采用真实原始成分手工制作，旨在优化使用效果并提升您的整体健康。
Primarily Pure products are handcrafted with real, raw ingredients to optimize your results and your overall health.
使用优惠码aspire可享受Primally Pure产品85折优惠。
Use code aspire to get 15% off your Primary Pure purchase.
请访问www.primallypure.com，结账时使用优惠码Aspire即可享受订单85折优惠。
That's www.primallypure.com, and use code Aspire at checkout for 15% off your order.
我不知道你们怎么样，但当我听到一个非常喜欢的播客时，我总会反复听第二遍甚至第三遍，因为里面总会有我特别喜爱想要重温的内容，或者是我之前完全遗漏的部分。
So I don't know about you guys, but when I listen to a podcast that I really love, I tend to go back again and listen for a second or even a third time because there'll always be something in there that either I loved and I wanna double down on or something that I completely missed.
我们这个播客已经做了快七个月了。
Now we've been doing this podcast for almost seven months.
所以我想做的是，挑选出那些对我改变最大的部分——那些融入我日常习惯的内容、转变我思维方式的事物，以及真正推动我前进的东西。
And so what I wanted to do was pull out some of the parts that have been the biggest game changers for me, the things that I've taken into my routine, the things that have shifted my way of thinking, and the things that really move the needle for me.
因为当我决定做这个播客时，初衷就是分享信息，带你们深入了解优秀人士的做事方法，同时也是为了找到更多与人连接的方式，最终满足我自己不断学习的需求。
Because when I decided to do this podcast, it was really about sharing information, giving you an insider's look on how excellent people get stuff done, but it was also about finding more ways to connect with people and ultimately finding more ways to learn and to feed my own appetite to learn.
今天我要重温几期最喜欢的节目，向你们展示最打动我的内容。
So today, I'm gonna go back to some of my favorite episodes to show you the things that moved me the most.
对我来说，谈论商业时没有人比马克·库班更有帮助了——他既不会粉饰太平，也永远不会把事情复杂化。
For me, there is no one more helpful when talking about business than Mark Cuban because he ain't gonna sugarcoat it, but he's also never gonna overcomplicate things.
有时候一个简单的答案就足够了。
And sometimes a simple answer is all that's needed.
当我问马克'你希望每个创始人都知道的一件事是什么'时...
So when I asked Mark, what's the one thing you wished every founder knew?
他是这么告诉我的：销售能解决一切问题。
He told me this, sales cures all.
意思就是，你要么有销售额，要么就没有。
Meaning that you either have the sales or you don't have the sales.
因此，创业者最重要的特质之一就是学会销售。
And, therefore, one of the most important traits any entrepreneur can have is learning to sell.
现在请仔细听好这句话，因为有时候最精华的道理简单到让你视而不见。
Now listen carefully to this one because sometimes the best stuff is so simple, it just passes you by.
这不仅仅是个简单的答案。
This wasn't just a simple answer.
这是商业的终极真理——因为只要你有销售额，其他问题都能迎刃而解。
It's the ultimate business truth because if you have sales, you'll figure everything else out.
如果没有销售额，
And if you don't, you don't have a business.
那你经营的只是个兴趣爱好。
You have a hobby.
所以谢谢你，马克，让这件事如此简单明了。
So thank you, Mark, for making it so simple.
让我们回顾一下。
Let's revisit.
你希望每位初次创业者都明白什么道理？
What's something that you wish every first time founder knew?
销售能解决一切问题。
Sales cures all.
销售能解决一切问题。
Sales cures all.
没有销售，就没有公司。
No sales, no company.
就是这样。
That's it.
销售没有例外。
No exception to sales.
因为人们总是沉迷于其他事情，沉迷于他们的商业模式、市场营销，但实际上你需要的是销售。
Because people get amored with all the other stuff, amored with their model, the marketing, and it's like, you need sales.
我一直在强调这一点。
I talk about this all the time.
要专注于分销渠道，专注于销售，专注于掌握这个环节并尽可能成为最优秀的销售人员，因为这才是你最需要的。
It's like focus on distribution, focus on your sales, focus on like owning that story and just being the best salesperson possible because that's all you need at
归根结底，因为如果你能销售... 是的。
the end of the because if you can sell Yeah.
其他问题你自然能解决。
You'll figure the rest out.
没错。
Yes.
因为
Because
其他所有事情
everything else
所有事情最终都要回归到销售上。
is Everything not follows through to that sale.
如果你不会销售，你擅长什么都不重要。
If you can't sell, it doesn't matter what you're good at.
其他任何事也都无关紧要。
It doesn't matter anything else for that matter.
你会陷入困境。
You're stuck.
你觉得人们为什么逃避销售？
Why do you think people avoid that?
因为人们不喜欢被拒绝。
Because people don't like to be told no.
哦。
Oh.
知道吗，我常对人说，每次拒绝都让你更接近
You know, I tell people all the time, every no gets you closer to
一个肯定的答复。
a yes.
每一次拒绝。
Every no.
我也会这样告诉自己。
And I would tell that to myself.
我当时在挨家挨户推销杂志。
I was selling magazines door to door.
对吧？
Right?
我会走上前去。
And I'd walk up.
你是要告诉我，每周5美元都不能提升你家庭的教育和娱乐水平吗？
Are you telling me that for $5 a week, this wasn't going to improve the education and enjoyment of your family?
不。
No.
再见。
Bye.
继续下一个。
Onto the next one.
同样的道理，推销小牛队周边
And it's the same, selling Mavs- Switch
调整你的推销话术。
up your pitch.
你知道，当我最初
You know, when I first
为小牛队撰稿时，
wrote the Mavs,
嘿，这比麦当劳还便宜。
Hey, it's less than a McDonald's.
不行。
No.
你们太差劲了。
You guys sucked.
砰。
Boom.
下一个。
Onto the next.
对吧？
Right?
你必须坚持不懈，而大多数人害怕听到'不'这个字。
You've just gotta be relentless, and most people are afraid of the word no.
你害怕说'不'吗？
Are you afraid to give the word no?
因为我觉得获得反馈真的很难。
Because I feel like getting the feedback is really hard.
你就直接给反馈。
You just give the feedback.
我不怕。
I'm not.
不。
No.
我不喜欢对人说不。
I don't like to say no to people.
这就是我的问题。
That's my problem.
所以我的公司都不让我负责招聘，因为——哦，真的吗？
That's why I don't do hiring in my companies because Oh, is that true?
哦，是的。
Oh, yeah.
因为我特别不擅长招人。
Because I'm awful at hiring people.
你就会说‘来吧，加入我们’
You're just like, come on board.
你太棒了。
You're amazing.
我是个销售员。
I'm a sales guy.
对吧？
Right?
所以我觉得我能搞定这件事。
So like, I think I can make this work.
那么创业中没人告诉你的真相是什么？
What is the truth then in entrepreneurship that no one actually tells you?
那个没人告诉的真相...是的。
The truth that no Yeah.
一个真相是什么？
One What is the truth?
创业很难。
It's hard.
你知道吗？
You know what?
我认为钱不会自动找上门来。
I think you're not automatically going to make money.
大多数人不会成功。
Most people don't make it.
大多数人都会失败。
Most people fail.
这很难。
It's hard.
是啊。
Yeah.
我认为这就是我所看到的，实际上当你进入这个领域时会发现很有趣，因为即使你认为某个想法很棒且有市场，但并非所有事情都能如愿以偿。
That's I think what I've seen, and it's interesting actually as you go into the tank because even if you think an idea is a great one and you think it has a market, like not everything works out.
不会的。
No.
你可以提供资金，但可能因为，我不知道，各种各样的原因
And you can give the funding and it just for, I don't know, a myriad of reasons might
它没有失败。
It not fails.
是的。
Yeah.
大多数公司都失败了，你失败过吗？
Most companies Have you failed?
当然，我当然失败过。
Yeah, of course I've failed.
你没听说过我的奶粉公司吧
You never heard about my powdered milk company
没有。
No.
那是我刚大学毕业时创办的？
When I started out of college?
没有。
No.
是啊。
Yeah.
不太成功吗？
Not a good one?
确实不太成功。
Not a good one.
它更便宜。
It was cheaper.
味道不像牛奶也没关系。
Didn't matter if it didn't taste like milk.
那是奶粉。
It was powdered milk.
好吧。
All right.
跟我讲讲那家奶粉公司的事吧，我很想了解那次失败的经历。
Tell me about the powdered milk company because well, I wanna know about the failure.
我想知道失败后重新站起来、再次尝试意味着什么？
I wanna know what it what does it mean to fail and get back up and do it again?
就是说，你身上有什么特质能让你承受失败
Like, what is it in you that allows you to take the failure
而不把它个人化？
and it not be about you?
达蒙·约翰说得最好。
Damon John says it best.
这就是穷则思变的威力。
It's the power of broke.
如果你身无分文，还能有什么选择？
If you're broke, what else are you going to do?
我当时穷得只能吃芥末番茄酱三明治。
I mean, I was eating mustard and ketchup sandwiches.
我曾带着五美元去酒吧，买杯啤酒，吃光所有的炸蘑菇、花生和其他乱七八糟的东西
I was going to a bar with five dollars buying one beer and eating all the fried mushrooms and the peanuts and whatever shit
贫穷是好事
they Broke is good.
人生某个阶段的贫穷其实很棒
Broke is great for a period of your life.
没错
Yes.
因为你可以...是的
Because you can Yeah.
是啊
Yeah.
这确实是真的
It's really true.
但你学到了什么？
But what have you learned?
你是否觉得你经历过的那些失败，最终累积成了某种你能看清的人生模式？
Do you feel like the failures that you've had, have they amounted to something that you've been able to see like as a pattern in your life?
还是说更多只是个体事件？我感觉我回顾自己的每次失败时，发现本质上都是同样的问题。
Or is it more just about the because individual I feel like I could look at every failure I've had and I'm like, it's basically the same thing.
我不确定是否本质上相同，除了可能东西没卖出去这点。
I don't know if it was basically the same thing other than maybe the shit didn't sell.
对吧？
Right?
就是这点。
It's that.
那些奶粉。
The powdered milk.
是啊。
Yeah.
不。
No.
它没卖出去。
It didn't sell.
它确实没卖出去。
It did not sell.
我记得带着样品去找人调配，说看，牛奶很贵。
I remember taking samples to people mixing up like, look, milk's expensive.
我们破产了。
We're broke.
对吧？
Right?
这个能帮你省钱。
This save you money.
这里有些
Here's some
很棒的东西，试试看，然后看看他们脸上的表情。
great try it and just take the look on their face.
不。
No.
你能做些什么。
You can do about that.
有道理。
Point taken.
你就像，但我明白这只是你的个人看法。
You're like, But I got it's just you.
你对牛奶的品味与众不同。
Your taste in milk is different.
对吧？
Right?
对，那么多久，因为这个大概有一个月左右。
Right, so how long, because this had a kind of About a month.
多久，一个月。
How, a month.
是的，大约一个月。
Yeah, about a month.
是啊，这不就是关键吗？至少你没坚持一年，因为有些人就是不知道怎么做
Yeah, isn't that the thing, at least you didn't try to do that for a year because some people just don't know how
但当时根本没有销量，完全看不到希望，你知道吗？
to But there step were no sales, it was going nowhere, you know?
我知道，但人们并不总能听进去。
I know, but people don't always hear that.
你不觉得你必须应付很多早期创业者吗？他们就是看不懂这些迹象。
Don't you think like you must deal with a lot of early stage founders that just don't read the signs.
他们视而不见。
They don't see it.
我认为谈谈失败很重要，也要谈谈何时该收手。
And I think it's really important to talk a bit about failure and to talk about when it's time to pack it in.
你知道吗，我从未这样想过，但你说得对。
You know, I never really thought of it that way, but you're right.
作为一名创业者，你必须具备高度的自我认知。
You have to have a lot of self awareness to be an entrepreneur.
嗯。
Mhmm.
众所周知，我非常喜欢米歇尔·奥巴马。
It's no secret that I love Michelle Obama.
但她在这期节目后留给我们的，对我来说远不止那些可被引用的精彩米歇尔时刻。
But what she left us with after her episode was more than just great quotable Michelle moments for me.
最重要的收获是人生分章节的理念，以及意识到人生不必在一天内全部规划清楚。
The biggest single takeout was this idea of there being these defined chapters in your life and bringing an awareness to the fact that life doesn't all need to be figured out in one day.
这对我来说是极大的安慰，因为作为一个野心勃勃的人，我总在匆忙追逐下一个大目标。
For me, this was more than a little bit reassuring because as a highly ambitious person, I do find myself in a rush to get to the next big thing.
我时常会想，为什么我手头的工作进展不够快？为什么不能立即看到想要的成果或销量？为什么事情没有完全按我预期发展？
Every now and again, I wonder why what I'm working on isn't happening faster, why I'm not seeing the results that I want right away or the sales that I want right away or thinking like, why didn't this thing happen exactly as I'd intended?
但米歇尔用这个简单的思考就让所有这些焦虑烟消云散。
But Michelle made that all go away with just this very simple reflection.
当我回顾迄今为止的人生历程时，我知道有些篇章里我做的全是工作。
When I look at my life so far with the benefit of hindsight, I know that there've been chapters when all I've done is work.
也有些篇章里，说实话，我没有得到期望中的那么多工作机会。
There've been chapters when, honestly, I haven't had much as much work as I would've wanted.
还有些阶段里，我尝试的所有事情都没能达到预期效果，或者干脆彻底失败。
There've been seasons where everything I tried didn't have the desired effect or or flat out just didn't work.
但这种人生分章节或分阶段的概念确实是个很有用的框架，尤其对我们这些需要做出牺牲的人而言——那些让我们放慢脚步的牺牲，或是面对你无法选择的障碍时，比如失业、家人生病。
But this idea of your life coming in chapters or in seasons is a really helpful framework, especially for those of us who need to make sacrifices, sacrifices that slow us down or when something stands in the way that you didn't choose, like losing your job, someone getting sick in the family.
我确信无疑的是，生活总会给你意外打击，因为你可能正处于一个坦白说并不以你为中心的阶段。
What I know for sure is that life will throw you curveballs because you can be in a season that quite frankly isn't about you.
这个阶段可能是关于你的孩子。
It's about your kids.
可能是关于某个更需要你优先照顾的人。
It's about somebody that needs something from you that takes precedent.
但只要明白没有什么是永恒的，我们其实不必苛求所有事情都在当下完成，因为总会有下一个时机。
But knowing that nothing is finite, we don't actually need all the things in the exact moment because there will be another moment.
学会与自己有时不得不做出的决定和解，这种感觉如此解脱。
And allowing yourself to be at peace with the decisions that you sometimes have to make was so liberating.
要知道，作为自由世界领袖的妻子，你明白的，对你自己的...正是如此。
You know, being a wife to the leader of the free world, you know, your To your own of ours, exactly.
你明白的，还有你自己的职业抱负和所有个人理想。
You know, your own career ambitions and all your own aspirations as well.
我想知道，根据你自己的旅程，你是否能给出或分享一条关键而真诚的建议？对于那些试图看似拥有一切、做到一切、活到极致的女性，你会对她们说什么？
And I wonder if there is like a critical and honest piece of advice that you can give or that you can share based on your own journey and what you would say to women that are trying to seemingly have it all, do it all, live to the fullest?
嗯，我经常说这句话。
I well, I've said this a lot.
想要拥有一切是不可能的。
It's impossible to have it all.
所以首先，别再这么想了。
So stop with that, first of all.
你可以在一段时间内逐步实现所有目标。
You can have it all over a period of time.
但这种急躁感，这种觉得我必须立刻拥有顶尖工作、成为最完美母亲、出席所有场合、保持最佳状态、情绪完美、婚姻美满等等的想法...
But this impatience and this feeling of like, I've got to be I've got to have the exact job at the top of the game and I want to be the best mom to all to the, you know, I want to be there be at all the stuff and I want to look my best and be in my best shape and be emotionally in tune la la la la la and my marriage has got to be on point.
这根本做不到。
Like, it's it doesn't you can't do all of that.
人生需要取舍。
There are trade offs.
这很正常。
And it's okay.
要知道，如果我们足够幸运，能在身心方面照顾好自己，人生很漫长，可以分成不同章节。
You know, if we're blessed and we can take care of ourselves emotionally and physically life is long, and you can have chapters.
而且
And
你不会因为没一口气读完整个故事就错过什么。
you don't lose out because you, you know, you didn't read the whole book in one sitting.
每个章节都可以非常精彩。
Each chapter can be really special.
当我的孩子们还小的时候，我正打算在事业上大展拳脚，但那时巴拉克是州参议员，后来他竞选国会议员失败，之后又成为美国参议员。
When my kids were little, and I was sort of ready to drive in my career, but Barack was a state senator and then he ran for Congress and lost and then he was a US senator.
他在家的时间少得可怜。
He was away more than he was home.
直到有一天我对自己说：我无法同时处于职业生涯的巅峰期。
I got to a point where I said I can't be in the the highest the driving point in my career life.
我就是做不到。
I just can't.
所以我辞去了经营非营利组织的工作——虽然我很享受这份工作，但运营非营利机构需要全身心投入，而且这个机构资金紧张，而我需要更灵活的时间。
So I left running a nonprofit that I enjoyed running, but running a nonprofit is an all consuming and it's the nonprofit didn't have a lot of money and I needed flexibility.
那么
Did
你是心甘情愿这么做的吗？还是心里有些怨气？
happily you do or was there resentment there?
确实有点不甘心，但我是快乐的，因为我爱我的女儿们，也珍惜与她们共度的时光。
There was a little resentment, but I was happy because I love my girls and I love the time that I spent with them.
我对这个决定感到更加平静，因为这对她们来说是正确的选择，最终对我也是，因为它给了我那时需要的平衡。
And I felt more at peace with that decision because it was the right thing for them and ultimately for me, because it gave me balance that I needed at that time.
我以自己为例。
And I use myself as an example.
我做到了。
I did that.
这并没有阻碍我的成长。
And it didn't stop my growth.
你知道，之后我继续前进，成为了副院长，还担任了芝加哥大学医院社区外联的副总裁和负责人。
It didn't, you know, I went on after that I became an Associate Dean, I was the vice president and head of community outreach for the University of Chicago hospitals.
随着女儿们长大，我感到更加安心后，开始重新调整自己的生活轨迹。
As the girls grew, and I felt more secure, I started realigning myself.
人们没有意识到他们可以稍作停顿。
People don't realize they can take a little pause.
是的。
Yeah.
就像生活此刻并没有给你一种可以随时喊暂停的感觉。
Like life doesn't really give you the feeling right now that you can just be like hold please.
没错。
That's right.
不管出于什么原因。
For whatever reason.
而且你可以这样做，你不需要完全停止。
And you can, and you don't have to stop.
就像，我没有停止，只是考虑过彻底放弃。
Like, didn't stop, thought about quitting completely.
然后我得到了一个在弹性工作制下做喜欢的工作的好机会。
And then I got an opportunity to get a good job that I enjoyed in a flex situation.
我首先协商了弹性工作条件，但那其实不算弹性，只是降薪而已。
I negotiated flexibility for I negotiated flexibility first that wasn't flexibility, it just was less pay.
对此我很恼火，因为我拿着半薪却仍然做着相当于全职的工作，我从这件事学到了教训。
And I was irritated at that because I got half the salary and was still doing a So full time I learned from that.
我当时就想，绝不能再这样了。
I was like, never again.
我太有进取心了，绝不能接受降薪。
I'm too much of a driver to ever get paid less.
没错。
Right.
所以下一份工作时我就提出，必须支付全额薪水，但我的日程安排要完全自主。
So the next job I was like, pay the full salary, but give me carte blanche over my schedule.
我会把工作完成。
I will get the job done.
但我要去学校接孩子。
But I'm picking up my kids from school.
我要去参加万圣节游行。
I'm going to the Halloween parade.
而且我周五可能不在这里。
And I might not be here on Friday.
但该出现的时候我就会出现。
But I'll be here when I need to be here.
所以付我钱。
So pay me.
对吧？
Right?
我学会了这点。
I learned that.
所以我想对女性朋友们说，这种情况可能会出现，如果你选择主动掌控生活——这本身是一种选择——那就不要带着愧疚感去养育孩子。
So I would just say out there to women, it can come and if you are choosing to drive, which that's a choice, then don't parent from guilt.
要知道，你所能做的最佳投资就是投资自己。
You know, the best investment you'll ever make is yourself.
最近，我们的生活充满了各种隐性压力源，从营养不良到环境毒素，再到日常的损耗，我意识到自己并不总是处于最佳状态。
And lately, with our lives being full of hidden stressors, everything from poor nutrition to environmental toxins to just daily wear and tear, I realized I wasn't always feeling like my best self.
这就是我开始使用阿尔米尔初乳的原因，它确实成为了我最喜欢的日常提升方式之一。
That's why I started using Almir Colostrum and it has genuinely become one of my favorite daily upgrades.
初乳富含400多种生物活性营养素，能强化肠道健康、增强免疫系统，并在细胞层面支持新陈代谢。
Colostrum is packed with over 400 bioactive nutrients that fortify your gut, strengthen your immune system, and support healthy metabolism at the cellular level.
但对我来说，这不仅是感觉良好，更是为身体提供持久力和生命力，让我每天都能保持最佳状态。
But for me, it's not just about feeling good, it's about giving my body the resilience and longevity to keep showing up strong every single day.
自从使用Armour以来，我感受到了实实在在的变化。
Since using Armour, I've noticed a real difference.
我感觉身体更轻盈、腹胀感减少，精力更稳定，皮肤也呈现出更健康、更有光泽的状态。
I feel lighter and less bloated, my energy feels steadier, and my skin is this healthier, more vibrant look.
肠道健康对其他方面的影响之大，实在令人惊叹。
It is wild how much getting your gut right actually impacts everything else.
了解到它还能增强免疫力、强韧发质，甚至提升运动恢复能力，这简直是全方位的胜利。
And knowing it supports immune health, hair strength, and even recovery performance, that's a win across the board.
说实话，它已经成为我生活中不可或缺的一部分。
It's honestly become a non negotiable for me.
当你打好基础——也就是照顾好身体时，最大的回报其实还在后头。
Your greatest returns really are yet to come when you take care of the foundation, your body.
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这可能会成为节目史上最简洁有力的发言。
It would probably go down as the most succinct message ever delivered on the show.
但当梅洛迪·霍布森说'你必须要有紧迫感'时，
But when Melody Hobson said, you have to have a sense of urgency.
'你必须渴望卓越'，
You have to want to be great.
对我来说这就是区分顶尖者与普通人的关键。
To me, it was like, here's what separates the best from the rest.
我多次说过，不是每个人都必须要有雄心壮志。
I've said it on many occasions that not everybody has to be ambitious.
我们并不都需要创业或渴望成为职业生涯的巅峰人物。
We don't all need to start businesses or wanna be at the very top of our career.
但如果你确实有这样的追求，有几项不可妥协的品质——紧迫感和投入程度，是我所认识的成功人士最重要的两个特质。
But if you do, there are a couple of nonnegotiables and a sense of urgency and how much you care are two of the most important traits of any successful person that I know.
当我们听到有人用一年时间完成本应五年完成的事，或用一周时间做完本需五周的工作时，这其中并无秘诀。
Now when we hear stories about people that do things that should take five years in one year or should take five weeks in one week, there is no secret.
要知道，你绝不能低估快速行动和先发优势的重要性。
You know, you simply cannot underestimate the importance of moving fast and a first mover's advantage.
我职业生涯大部分时间都在时尚行业工作，正如梅洛迪所说，注重细节或最为用心——这才是业内顶尖人士的做法。
I've worked in fashion for most of my career and sweating the small stuff or caring the most, as Melody says, is what the best people in the business do.
那些关注产品制作的每个环节的人：每一针缝线、内衬和装饰配件、面料和结构，然后是商品上架时的折叠方式、装袋方式、客户包装方式、开箱体验等等等等。
The ones that care about every component of how a product is made, every stitch, the lining and the trim package and the fabric and the construction, then how it's folded when it gets on the shop floor, how it's put in the bag, how it's packaged to the customer, the experience of unboxing and on and on and on.
这，这就是顶尖者与普通人的区别所在。
That, that is the difference between the best and the rest.
有些事情你就是无法争辩的。
There's just some stuff that you cannot argue about.
如果你想变得伟大，紧迫感和极度关注是最佳的起点。
If you wanna be great, urgency and caring the most is a great place to start.
很多人在企业职场中打拼，我确实认为某种程度上存在一套晋升的蓝图，可以让你按照既定方式在职场中步步高升。
So many people that are sitting there in a corporate career, and I do think to some degree there is a blueprint for getting promoted for moving through a job in way that you have.
那么你会给人们什么建议呢？
So what do you tell people?
我的意思是，因为你处于11分状态，你需要周围每个人都达到11分吗？
I mean, because you're on an 11, do you need everybody else around you to be on an 11?
人们需要做些什么才能获得成功和晋升？
And what is it that people need to do in order to be successful and to be promoted
这听起来可能有点奇怪，我希望我的表达不会太糟糕，但这就是我的想法。
This where they're is going to sound strange, and I'm gonna make it hopefully not sound not great, but it's how I think about it.
我妈妈有六个孩子。
My mom had six kids.
嗯。
Mhmm.
她用不同的方式养育我们每个人。
She mothered us all differently.
这就是
That's just
事实。
a fact.
没有兄弟姐妹拥有完全相同的父母。
No siblings have the same parents.
没有。
No.
这是事实。
That is a fact.
确实是事实。
It's a fact.
在我直接共事的团队里，我清楚每个人能做什么以及他们如何做到。
In my group of people who work directly with me, I understand what they can do and how they can do it.
嗯。
Mhmm.
约翰·罗杰斯过去常跟我说，那支七夺总冠军的芝加哥公牛队，他说，丹尼斯·罗德曼抢篮板，史蒂夫·科尔投三分，迈克尔是有史以来最伟大的球员。
John Rogers always used to tell me that the world championship Chicago Bulls that won seven championships, he said, Dennis Rodman rebounds, Steve Kerr shoots threes, Michael is the greatest player of all time.
知道吗，他会逐个分析球员，然后说，但每个角色都至关重要。
You know, he would go through each player and he said, but each one is really important.
迈克尔没有他们就打不了球。
Michael can't play without them.
他们赢不了比赛。
They can't win.
所以丹尼斯晚上可能在外游荡，但大家都确保他能上场为球队抢篮板。
So Dennis may be out at night, but everyone makes sure Dennis is on the court so that he can rebound for them.
他就这样，所以不用遵守和其他人相同的规则。
And he's like, so he doesn't have the same rules as everyone else.
所以，梅洛迪，你要明白要让每个人都发挥出最佳水平，但不可能人人都来管理这个地方。
And so, Melody, you figure it out that you get the best out of each person, but everyone's not gonna run the place.
但如果你的目标是运作在
But what happens if your aspiration is to operate at
最高水平呢？
the highest level?
比如，你认为对于那些想要这种职业生涯的人来说，什么是不可妥协的？
Like, are the non negotiables do you think for people that want that type of career?
他们需要
What do they need
做什么？
to do?
你必须做到。
You must.
我这话说得很严肃，我认为你必须非常在乎并保持紧迫感。
And I mean this with serious intensity, I think you have to care a lot and have a sense of urgency.
你必须要有紧迫感。
You have to have a sense of urgency.
你必须渴望变得卓越。
You have to want to be great.
如果你想的话，你知道，我很喜欢吉姆·柯林斯的那本书《从优秀到卓越》，以及书中的第一句话。
And if you want to there's a you know, I love that book by Jim Collins, Good to Great, and the first line of the book.
优秀是卓越的敌人。
Good is the enemy of great.
是的。
Yeah.
优秀是卓越的敌人。
Good is the enemy of great.
很多人都满足于优秀。
Plenty of people are happy with good.
他们说最糟糕的学生是B+学生。
They say the worst student is the b plus student.
因为B+学生的心态就是，这样还行。
Because the B plus student is like, it's fine.
这样就可以了。
It's okay.
C等学生会渴望进步，而A等学生本就是A等生。
They were like, the C student aspires for something better, and the A student is just the A student.
但B+学生就活在这种'差不多就行'的无人地带。
But the B plus student is they live in that that no man's land of it's fine.
这几乎是你可能陷入的最糟糕处境。
And so it's almost like the worst situation that you can be in.
所以'优秀是卓越的敌人'。
So good is the enemy of great.
我想要的是那些追求卓越的人。
I want the person who wants to be great.
但要真正理解优秀与卓越之间的差距确实很难。
But understanding that differential between good and great is really hard.
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你认为可以通过训练让人达到这种境界，还是说这必须源自他们内心？
Do you think you can train people into that, or do you think it has to come from somewhere within themselves?
就像，他们
Like, they
必须自己达到那种状态。
have to be there.
是的。
Yeah.
没错。
Yeah.
有些人天生就具备这种特质。
Some people just, you know, they come out of the wound with it.
有些人没有，但这不妨碍他们依然可以很有价值。
Some people don't, but that doesn't make them they can still be very valuable.
嗯。
Mhmm.
他们只会成为某种类型的选手，约翰就是这么说的。
They're just gonna be a certain kind of player, and that's what John said.
他说，他们会成为其他人。
He's like, they're gonna be other people.
他们只是不会掌控这个地方。
They're just not gonna run the place.
所以你认为人们必须非常努力工作，渴望变得伟大，并且需要有紧迫感。
So you think people have to just work really hard, want to be great, and they need to have a sense of urgency.
我认为他们必须渴望变得伟大。
I think they have to want to be great.
是的。
Yeah.
让我们从这点开始。
Let's start with that.
而且，你知道，有些人必须比其他人更努力。
And, you know, some people have to work harder than others.
我记得在普林斯顿上学时和天才们一起学习。
So I remember going to school with geniuses at Princeton.
他们不需要像我这么努力。
They didn't have to work as hard as I did.
他们基本上就是浏览一下页面就懂了。
They, you know, sort of like skimmed the page and got it.
而我还在记笔记、检查知识点、做闪卡，全套学习流程。
And I'm like writing notes and checking, you know, flashcards and doing the whole thing.
但你知道，这些对他们来说更容易。
But, you know, they it came easier to them.
有些事情对
Some things come easier to
我来说更容易。
me.
是的。
Yeah.
所以我认为这只是你了解自己的一个功能体现。
So I think it's just a function of of you understanding yourself.
这个假期我一直在努力保持踏实，说实话，能寻得片刻宁静感觉就像收到一份奢侈的礼物。
I've been trying to stay grounded this holiday season, and honestly, finding calm feels like a real luxury gift.
这就是为什么我每天都会使用Peak产品，现在它已成为我日常生活的一部分。
That's why I've been turning to Peak every single day, and it's just a part of my routine at this point.
他们是一个由珍稀植物和尖端成分驱动的奢华健康品牌，那些植物精华、矿物质和维生素有助于支持我的能量、免疫健康、新陈代谢甚至皮肤状态。
They're a luxury wellness brand powered by rare plants and cutting edge ingredients, and their botanicals, minerals, and vitamins help support my energy, immune health, metabolism, and even my skin.
在节日的一片忙乱中，选择Serenity系列就是最对的选择。
In the middle of all the holiday chaos, choosing Serenity just feels right.
我个人最爱的是他们的焕采肌肤双效套装。
My personal favorite is their Radiant Skin Duo.
这个两步护理仪式完美融入我的一天。
It's a two step ritual that totally fits into my day.
太阳女神抹茶已成为我午后重启身心的必备。
The Sun Goddess Matcha has become my afternoon reset.
它能舒缓情绪，提亮肤色，并有效控制压力引发的皮肤问题。
It's calming, helps brighten my complexion and keeps those stress induced flare ups in check.
然后我会搭配使用BT Fountain这款美味的美容电解质饮料，补水效果极佳。
Then I follow it with BT Fountain, this delicious beauty electrolyte that seriously hydrates.
自从坚持使用后，我发现皮肤变得更光滑饱满。
I've noticed my skin looking smoother and way more plump since I started using it consistently.
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It feels like an inside out radiance in a cup and I am obsessed.
这是最棒的礼物也是自我提升的完美选择。
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在这个节日季，送出光彩照人的健康好礼吧。
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说到化妆品，配方成分和外观效果同样重要。
When it comes to makeup, what's in the formula matters just as much as how it looks.
这就是为什么我选择Merit Beauty。
That's why I use Merit Beauty.
我用他们的基础款产品已经有一段时间了，最喜欢的是它们让我的日常护肤变得多么快速轻松。
I've been using their essentials for a while now, and what I love most is how quick and effortless they make my routine.
我不是那种愿意花一小时打扮的人。
I'm not someone who wants to spend an hour getting ready.
Merit让一切变得简单、纯净且高效。
Merit keeps it simple, clean, and effective.
他们的腮红膏是我的心头好之一。
Their flush balm is one of my go to's.
它能打造出健康自然的光泽感——有个趣闻，今年每30秒就售出一支。
It gives that healthy, natural glow, and fun fact, one was sold every thirty seconds this year.
还有这款极简主义产品，既能当粉底又能当遮瑕膏，这样我就不需要层层叠加一堆化妆品了。
Then there's The Minimalist, which works as both foundation and concealer, so I don't need to, like, layer up on a bunch of products.
我也喜欢所有带防晒指数的产品，这款15种色调的矿物防晒霜简直是革命性的改变。
I also love everything with SPF, and the tinted mineral sunscreen, which comes in 15 shades, is a game changer.
它能即时补水并保护我的皮肤。
It instantly hydrates and leaves my skin protected.
哦，他们的化妆刷也是最好用的。
Oh, and they have the best brushes too.
是时候选择真正适合你日常的美妆了，这正是Merit所提供的。
It's time for beauty that actually fits your routine, and that's exactly what Merit delivers.
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It's clinically proven to repair damage not by masking it, but by rebuilding your hair from the inside out.
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能采访瑞茜·威瑟斯彭让我非常兴奋，从她在《危险性游戏》中的表演开始，我就一直很喜欢她。
I was so excited to speak to Reese Witherspoon because she's someone that I've just loved since she was in Cruel Intentions.
我看过她出演的每一部电影，当你遇到偶像却发现她们名不虚传时，这种感觉太棒了。
I've devoured every movie that she's ever done, and I love it when you get to meet people and they don't disappoint.
瑞茜显然是位实力派，但我完全没料到与她的最后一次对话竟会围绕金钱话题展开。
Reese is obviously a powerhouse, but the last conversation I expected to be having with her was one about money.
实话告诉你们，瑞茜当时直言不讳。
And let me tell you, Reese did not mince her words.
她对帮助和赋能女性怀有极大热忱。
She has a passion for helping and enabling other women.
因此当她做客这档播客时，就是带着这个明确目的来的。
And so when she spoke on this podcast, she came to do exactly that.
说真的，任何愿意分享最佳理财建议的人，我都愿意整天洗耳恭听。
And let me tell you, anyone, anyone that's happy to part ways with their best money advice is someone I'm gonna listen to all day long.
那么关于金钱，每个女性都必须知道的一件事是什么？
So what's the one thing that every woman needs to know about money?
你
Do you
想想上帝。
think god.
我该从何说起呢？
Where do I start?
就一件事？
One thing?
好吧，继续。
Well, go on.
全都告诉我们吧。
Give us it all.
我要
I'm gonna
首先，我是通过犯错来学习理财的。
Well, first of all, I learned about money from doing things wrong.
没错。
Yes.
我不认识哪个女性，Emma。
I don't know a woman, Emma.
我认识的女性没有一个过去没有经历过财务灾难。
I do not know a woman who doesn't have a disaster financial story in her past.
事实如此。
Facts.
无论是她自己、她最好的朋友、姐妹、母亲、祖母还是阿姨。
Whether it's her, her best friend, her sister, her mom, her grandma, her auntie Mhmm.
她们要么失去所有积蓄，要么离婚后独自承担债务，要么就是各种财务困境。
Which she lost all her money, or she got divorced and she got stuck with the bill, or, you know, just whatever financial debt.
负债累累啊。
So much debt.
因此，我收听每一期关于理财的播客。
And so, I listen to every podcast on finances.
我对女性的财务健康非常感兴趣。
I am so interested in financial wellness for women.
而且我们学到的很多东西只是高中时期的一门课程，为期三天。
And just also a lot of what we learn is one course, three days in high school.
如果能上三个月的课就已经很幸运了。
We're lucky if you get three months.
是啊。
Yeah.
那就是我财务学习的终点。
And that was the end of my financial learning.
然后我成为了这样的女性——开始赚钱，又是个年轻妈妈，但我没有正确储蓄。
And then I became this woman, I was making money and I was a young mom and I did not save correctly.
我现在挺好的。
I'm fine.
你说你很好是什么意思？
What do you mean you're fine?
你不像
You're not like
一个女人？
a woman?
我很好，我棒极了。
I'm fine, I'm great.
你是说，你现在不是赚得盆满钵满吗？
You're like, are you not rolling in it like now?
就像我
Like just I
确实投资得当。
did invest properly.
我不是说情况不好，我完全没问题，而且我做得不错，但如果我早学会一些东西，我本可以做得更出色。
I'm not saying that it wasn't, I'm completely fine, and I did well, but I could have done amazing if I had learned a few things.
其中很多都是心态问题。
And a lot of them are mindset.
没错。
Right.
嗯哼。
Mhmm.
关于储蓄、股市和指数基金的稳定性、投资组合的多样化，确保你关注国债、债券和收益率这些方面——如果有人用视觉化的方式向你解释，比如你是视觉型学习者，看一张图表就能明白，这些其实相当简单。
About saving, about the steadiness of the stock market and index funds and diversifying your portfolio and making sure that you're looking at treasuries and you're looking at bonds and yields and things that are pretty simple if somebody says them to you in a like, if you're a visual person, you see a visual chart.
我是个视觉型学习者。
I'm a visual person.
所以每次我和别人讨论财务问题时都需要可视化呈现。
So every time I talk to people about finances laid out.
我需要图表展示，还要用可爱的颜色标注。
I need it laid out, and I want cute colors.
是的。
Yes.
我只是实话实说。
I'm just being honest.
笔记。
Notes.
我想要一个赏心悦目的调色板和一张饼图。
I want a pleasing palette and a pie chart.
谢谢。
Thanks.
说得太对了。
Damn right.
我们都知道你的业务经理们在干什么。
We know what your business managers are doing.
制作这些极具美感的演示文稿。
Making these very aesthetically pleasing presentations.
比如有人能做这个饼图吗，法里斯？
Like can somebody do the pie chart, Farice?
但我喜欢你说这个，因为这一切都很简单。
But I love that you say that because it is all pretty simple.
但话说回来，我们并不总是在进行这些对话和分享信息。
But again, we're not always having those conversations and sharing the information.
没错。
Right.
你认为你得到过最好的理财建议是什么？
What's the best piece of money advice you think you've been given?
不要负债。
Don't get into debt.
尽一切可能避免负债，还清信用卡，或者不要像花自己的钱一样花钱。
Do everything you can to not get into debt and pay off those credit cards or don't spend the money like it's yours.
那不是你的钱，亲爱的。
It's not yours, girlfriend.
是的。
Yeah.
这确实是个非常好的建议。
And that was a really good piece of advice.
永远不要让别人用金钱控制你。
Don't ever let somebody control you with money.
当有人说‘我会处理，我会照顾你，我会负责这个’时。
Somebody says, I'll take care of it, I'll take care of you, and I'll take care of this.
那个人可能会离开。
That person could leave.
那个人可能会伤害你。
That person can hurt you.
你永远要保住自己的工作。
You always keep your job.
你的工作就是你的人寿保险。
Your job is your life insurance.
我妈妈以前经常这么说
My mom used to always say that
对我说的。
to me.
哦。
Oh.
我母亲在婚姻中经历过经济上的困境。
And my mom went through some tough stuff in a marriage with finances.
非常艰难的处境。
Really tough stuff.
是啊。
Yeah.
我祖母也是。
And so did my grandma.
不是在婚姻中，而是在家庭结构方面。
Not in the marriage, but in, like, a family structure.
而我有着女性在经济上得不到保障的家族历史。
And I have this past of women not being taken care of financially.
所以我认为
And so I think
我也是。
Me too.
对吧？
Right?
作为一个小女孩。是的。
And as a little girl Yeah.
会留下伤痕。
Scars you.
真的，它深深地烙印在内心。
Like, literally, it's living inside so deeply.
这就是为什么我热衷于帮助女性理解并揭开它的神秘面纱，你知道吗？
And that's why I have a passion for helping women understand and also demystifying it, you know?
是的，我觉得揭开神秘面纱这一部分真的非常非常重要。
Yeah, I feel like the demystifying piece is really, really important.
你是那种凡事都亲力亲为的人，还是现在已经把所有事务都外包给团队了？
Do you are you the type of person that looks after everything yourself or have you kind of outsourced all of that to a team at this point?
我有外包团队，但会频繁跟进检查。
I have outsourcing, but there's frequent check ins.
我也是。
Same.
每周都检查。
Weekly.
我也一样。
I'm the same.
我喜欢保持足够的掌控，你知道的，就像随时都要亲手参与一样。
I like to have enough of that, you know, it's like one hands on it all the time.
我很乐意
Like I'm happy to
让专家做专业的事，但我需要...我需要随时能接触到。
let the experts be expert ing, but I need to like, I need it there.
是的，我需要这样，同时也需要制衡机制。
Yes, yeah, I need it there and then I also need checks and balances.
我需要分散投资，这样就不会把所有资金都放在一个投资项目或一个储蓄账户里。
I need to diversify things so that everything's not in one investment or one savings account.
是啊，
Yeah,
但就是这样。
But that's it.
我认为对于
What I think for
一个
a
长期来看，这种观念源自你的成长环境。
long think that comes from your upbringing.
就像如果没人教你这些，你就不会知道。
It's like if nobody teaches you that, you don't know.
然后你就会觉得，好吧，钱都放在这里很安全，但问题是，安全归安全，它不会增值。
And you're just like, okay, the money sits all here and it's safe but it's like, it might be safe but it's not growing.
它对你没有任何帮助。
It's not doing any for you.
对，对。
Right, Right.
而且大多数人生活中根本没有储蓄这个概念。
And most people don't live in a way that savings is even part of their life.
明白吗？
Okay?
所以我对这点看得很现实。
So I'm very realistic about that.
是的。
Yes.
必须现实。
Have to be.
我妈妈和外婆总是对我说，我没有任何积蓄。
With my mom and my grandma always saying to me, I don't have any savings.
你知道，我妈妈确实有退休金，因为
You know, they did have my mom has retirement because
她
she
她一生都在做三、四份工作，包括参军、当护士和在州立大学工作。
worked her whole life doing three and four jobs, including being in the military and being a nurse and working in a state university.
但你必须未雨绸缪，要把储蓄视为帮助未来的自己。
But you have to think ahead, and you have to think about saving as helping your future self.
哦，是的。
Oh, yes.
绝对如此。
Absolutely.
你今天不花的钱，都是在为未来的自己储蓄。
What you don't spend today, you're saving for your future self.
你是在为65岁的艾玛存钱，她不想为燃气账单发愁。
You're saving for 65 year old Emma who doesn't wanna have to worry about the gas bill.
是的。
Yes.
没错。
Yes.
对。
Yeah.
我想做个悠闲的老太太。
I wanna relax as an old lady.
是啊，我也是。
Yeah, me do.
总有一天会的。
Eventually at some point.
我想端着杯红酒坐在门廊上。
I wanna have a glass of wine and sit on a porch.
哦，一个
Oh, a
门廊。
porch.
我想加入
I wanna come on
然后我们就坐在那儿讲我们的故事。
that And we're just gonna sit there and tell our stories.
聊聊生活的各种破事，你懂的。
Talk shit about all the life, you know.
我们要去想去的地方旅行。
We're gonna travel where we wanna go.
哦。
Oh.
我们的孩子们什么时候享受过这些？
Our kids When did enjoy they enjoy it?
我就觉得我们会玩得超开心。
I'm like, we're gonna have the best time.
现在我在播客里和丈夫对话后收到的满满爱意，真是我从未预料到的。
Now the outpouring of love that came in after I spoke to my husband on this podcast was really something that I never expected.
我想是因为他在谈论焦虑时既诚实又脆弱。
I think it's because he was both honest and vulnerable when he spoke about anxiety.
任何经历过焦虑的人都明白这是无法控制的。
And anyone who suffers from anxiety will know it's not something that you can control.
没有能一键关闭的开关。
There's no switch to turn it off.
不存在什么神奇的法子能突然帮到你。
There's no framework that magically helps you.
它是持续存在的。
It's a constant.
这是场持续的战斗，需要不断努力。
It's constant work, and it's a constant battle.
所以当延斯将焦虑重新定义为一种超能力时，我特别开心。
So it made me so happy when Jens reframed the idea of having anxiety as a superpower.
他还谈到不再因为焦虑而评判自己。
And he spoke about no longer judging himself for having anxiety.
你可以和一个人相处很多很多年，却总能从他们身上学到新东西。
You can be with someone for years and years and years and learn new things about them all the time.
最美好的事情莫过于从你爱的人身上学到东西，然后能同时分享给许多可能从中受益的人。
And there's nothing better than learning from someone you love and then being able to share it with a lot of people that could benefit from it at the same time.
非常感谢所有写信给我和留言的朋友。
So a huge, huge thank you to all of you that wrote to me and commented.
这期节目做得很有意义。
I'm really so happy we did this episode.
让我们听听看。
Let's take a listen.
我想了解更多关于焦虑如何影响你的事业和生活，因为我觉得我们总是习惯性地把焦虑视为一种弱点。
And I wanna understand a bit more about anxiety as it relates to your career and your life and your business, Because I think that we're so much conditioned to see anxiety as a weakness, and I know you think about it as a superpower.
那么你呢，你是什么时候开始把它视为一种超能力的？能跟我详细聊聊吗？
So will you, when did you start seeing it as a superpower and will you just talk about it a bit for me?
很晚，大概在我三十多岁的时候才真正明白。是通过一位灵性导师的引导，我说我想改变。
Very late, probably in my late thirties where I really understood, and I did that through work I was doing with a highly spiritual person who asked me, I said, I want to change.
我不想再做一个焦虑的人了。
I don't want to be this anxious person any longer.
我想感受到完整。
I I want to feel whole.
他问我：你确定要改变吗？
And he said, are you sure you want to change?
我说是的，这对我来说是负面的。
I said, yeah, this is a negative thing for me.
你知道，我的日子很沉重。
This is a big, you know, my days are heavy.
他说如果你改变了，你也会改变你是谁。
And he said, if you change, it also will change who you are.
你之所以成功，并非仅仅是因为你克服了焦虑，而是因为你的焦虑。
You're not just successful because, you know, despite your anxiety, you're successful because of them.
焦虑带来了许多积极的驱动力和技能，如果你改变了它，你可能就不再是今天的你。
There's so many positives that are driven and so many skills that comes from your anxiety that if you change that, you might not be as good as you are today.
你可能不再是一个有效的创始人，一个没有焦虑的企业家。
You might not be as good version, you might not be as an effective founder, entrepreneur without it.
你确定要失去那种力量吗？
Are you sure you wanna lose that power?
那件事。
And that was Things.
哦，是的。
Oh, yeah.
我走出了那个房间。
That was I walked out of that room.
我记得。
I remember.
医生
Doctor.
陈
Tran.
是的
Yeah.
医生
Doctor.
特兰。
Tran.
一切都没变，但同时又一切都变了。
Nothing had changed and everything had changed at the same time.
是啊。
Yeah.
我是说，我觉得即便只是你讲述这件事——我对那个故事再熟悉不过了——这真的太重要了，人们需要听到这个，因为我们性格中都有某些部分或有用或无用，或更有用或更无用，而我们往往没有正确排序，往往不明白那些困扰我们的事物如何也能成就我们。
I mean, I think that that even just you saying it, and I know that story so well, I feel like it is so important for people to hear because we all have parts of our personality that are useful or less useful, more useful or less useful, and it's not often like we don't often put things in the right order, that we don't often understand how some of those things that can be troubling to us can also enable us.
是的，焦虑可能使人衰弱，甚至致残，对许多人来说确实需要接受治疗。
Yeah, and anxiety can be debilitating, it can be crippling, and indeed for many people something that they need to get treated.
同时，焦虑也是人类情感的一部分。
At the same time, anxiety is a human emotion.
嗯哼。
Mhmm.
这是人类体验的一部分。
It's it's a it's a part of our human experience.
我们都在某种程度上拥有它。
We all have it to some degree.
保持一定程度的焦虑是健康的。
It's healthy to have a dose of anxiety.
就像恐惧一样，焦虑也是人类与生俱来的情感反应。
It's helped just like it's connected to fear, which is a natural, you know, human emotion, reaction.
这是我们感受爱、悲伤和喜悦等情感的能力。
It's our ability to feel love, sadness, you know, joy.
焦虑是我们的一部分。
Anxiety is part of us.
我的焦虑比别人更多，多到在我生命中的很长一段时间里，每一天对我来说都比别人更艰难，我几乎每天都是从负面情绪开始的，所以我必须克服这些才能做任何事。
I have more of it, and I have so much of it that for a long time in my life, every day was just harder for me than it was for other people, and I kind of started every day at a negative, So I had to overcome that to do anything.
克服焦虑去与人交往。
Overcome anxiety to meet people.
我必须克服焦虑才能出门面对车流、登上飞机、独自生活。
I had to overcome anxiety to get out in traffic, to get on an airplane, to be on my own.
所以我总是这样，这让人精疲力尽。
So I always was so, it was exhausting.
是啊。
Yeah.
这真的非常非常耗神，现在也常常如此。
It was really, really exhausting, and still is often exhausting.
如今你如何区分焦虑是在激励你还是控制着你？
How do you know when anxiety is fueling you versus controlling you these days?
我认为两者兼有。
I think it does both.
我认为无论好坏它都同时存在，但我不再因为焦虑而评判自己。
I think it does both for better or worse, but I don't judge myself for having anxiety anymore.
我接受它，视其为浪潮——当它来临时可能势不可挡，在浪涛中你会感到绝望，但我知道浪潮终将退去，而海水依然会在彼岸。
I I accept it, I see it as a wave, and when it comes it can be imposing, and in the middle of the wave you feel hopeless, but I know the wave is going to wash over, and I know there's still, the water is still on the other side.
那我该怎么办？
So what am I gonna do?
永远不下海吗？
Never get in the ocean?
那样更好吗？
Is that better?
还是说我要开始害怕沙滩？
Or am I gonna start getting scared of the sand?
问题在于——我相信其他焦虑症患者（如果有听众正受此困扰的话，肯定很多人都有）——你越是调整生活来回避引发焦虑的场景，你会在更轻微的情境中感到焦虑。
You know the problem, and I'm sure other people, if anyone listens to this, who suffers from anxiety, and I'm sure many do, the more you tailor your life to avoid situations which makes you anxious, you're getting anxious in lesser situations.
当你降低标准后，那就会成为新的标准，于是你需要再次降低它。
When you lower the bar, that becomes a new bar, you need to lower it again.
这样生活会变得越来越狭窄。
And life gets smaller that way.
这是个非常棘手的话题。
It's a very tricky subject.
每个人都有自己的人生旅程。
Everybody have their own journey.
我只能谈谈自己的经历。
And I can only speak on my experience.
我并不是说这适用于其他人。
I'm not saying that's translatable to other people.
他们必须走自己的路，他们最了解自己。
They have to have their journey, and they know themselves best.
我只能说说我的情况。
I can only speak of mine.
但就我个人经历而言，当我挑战它时，我会做得更好。
But my personal experience is that I do better when I challenge it.
这五次对话分别教会了我关于韧性、优雅、卓越、自信和自我接纳的不同见解。
These five conversations each taught me something different about resilience, about grace, excellence, confidence, and self acceptance.
它们共同提醒我，成功是一种终身实践——学习、忘却并回归最重要的东西。
And together, they remind me that success is a lifelong practice of learning, unlearning, and returning to what matters the most.
如果这期节目能让你有所反思或启发，那便是我们的初衷。
If this episode leaves you reflecting or inspired, that's the whole point.
因为那些感动我们的人，不仅分享他们的胜利，更分享他们的智慧。
Because the people who move us don't just share their wins, they share their wisdom.
非常感谢你们今年成为Aspire的一员。
Thank you so much for being part of Aspire this year.
2026年我们还将推出更多精彩节目，致力于帮助你们成长、茁壮，并押注自己。
We have so many more wonderful episodes coming in 2026 dedicated to helping you grow, thrive, and bet on yourself.
愿我们永远保持好奇，保持勇敢，永远，永远心怀热望。
Here's to staying curious, staying bold, and always, always aspiring.
下次见。
See you next time.
如果你喜欢这个播客，记得在你常用的收听平台上点击关注。
If you're loving this podcast, be sure to click follow on your favorite listening platform.
同时，请给我们留下评论和五星好评，并与朋友分享你喜欢的单集。
While you're there, give us a review and a five star rating and share an episode you loved with a friend.
我们将不胜感激。
We'll be so grateful.
《Aspire》由Odyssey呈现。
Aspire with Emma Greed is presented by Odyssey.
我是主持人Emma Greed。
I'm your host, Emma Greed.
我们的执行制片人是Karine Gilliard Fischer、Derek Brown和我。
Our executive producers are Karine Gilliard Fischer, Derek Brown, and me.
来自Audacy的执行制片人是Maddy Sprungkaiser、Leah Reese Dennis、Arsha Saluja和Jenna Weiss Berman。
Our executive producers from Audacy are Maddy Sprungkaiser, Leah Reese Dennis, Arsha Saluja, and Jenna Weiss Berman.
斯蒂芬·凯是我们的高级制片人，音效设计与工程由比尔·舒尔茨负责。
Stephen Key is our senior producer, sound design and engineering by Bill Schultz.
安吉拉·帕鲁索是我们的预约负责人，原创音乐由查尔斯·布莱克创作。
Angela Paluso is our booker, original music by Charles Black.
视频制作由埃文·考克斯、库特·考特尼、安德鲁·斯蒂尔、卡洛斯·德尔加多和阿尔内·阿古西完成。
Video production by Evan Cox, Kurt Courtney, Andrew Steele, Carlos Delgado, and Arne Argusy.
社交媒体由奥利维亚·霍曼负责。
Social media by Olivia Homan.
特别感谢布里特妮·史密斯、悉尼·福特，我在The Lead Company和WME的团队。
Special thanks to Britney Smith, Sydney Ford, my teams at The Lead Company, and WME.
莫拉·柯伦、约瑟芬娜·弗朗西斯、希拉里·舒夫、埃里克·唐纳利、凯特·哈钦森·罗斯、蒂姆·米科尔、肖恩·切里和劳伦·维埃拉。
Maura Curran, Josefina Francis, Hilary Schuff, Eric Donnelly, Kate Hutchinson Rose, Tim Mikol, Sean Cherry, and Lauren Vieira.
如果你有问题想问我，可以通过DM联系我，账号是aspirewithemagreed。
If you have questions for me, you could DM me at aspirewithemagreed.
Greed的拼写是G R E D E。
Greed is spelled G R E D E.
那是aspire，A S P I R E，与emigreed的组合。
That's aspire, A S P I R E, with emigreed.
或者你也可以在我的网站emigreed.me上向我提交问题。
Or you can submit a question to me on my website emigreed.me.
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