本·查普曼的商业巨头

著名猫跳滑雪运动员格伦·普莱克曾说过，如果你想在山上找到最好的滑雪板，就去猫跳雪道看看。所以今天《大视野滑雪播客》的这一集聚焦于猫跳滑雪。为此，我今天的嘉宾是本·查普曼。本目前在加拿大惠斯勒和澳大利亚佩里舍两地执教猫跳滑雪和自由式滑雪。他为我们提供了关于教练工作的宝贵见解，尤其是在青少年运动员方面。

Famous mogul skier Glen Plaike once said if you want to find the best skis on the mountain, go look in the bumps. So today's podcast episode on the Big Picture Skiing Podcast centres around mogul skiing. And to help me out with this, my guest today is Ben Chapman. Now Ben coaches mogul skiing and freeride skiing in both Whistler Canada and Perisher Australia at the moment. So he gives us some great insights into coaching especially around junior athletes.

这一集里有很多关于装备、滑雪靴、如何设置自己的猫跳雪道，以及你在猫跳滑雪中可以选择和练习的不同风格与路线的实用建议。如果你是一名滑雪教练，这里会有很多可以帮助你训练的好建议。如果你只是想提高猫跳滑雪技术，这里也有很多深刻的见解。如果你是青少年运动员的家长，这也会非常有帮助。说到帮助，如果你想深入了解滑雪技术——无论是刻滑、猫跳滑雪、装备，还是任何与滑雪相关的内容——这正是我创建《大视野滑雪》的目的。

There's some great takeaways in this episode around equipment, ski boots, as well as setting up your own Mogul course and the different styles and lines that you can choose and work on in your Mogul skiing. I think if you're a ski instructor, there's gonna be some great takeaways and advice here to help you go train. If you're just into getting better at moguls, there's also gonna be some great insights. And if you're a parent of a junior athlete, this will also be something really helpful. Speaking of help, if you're into getting insights into ski technique whether that's carving, mogul skiing, equipment, anything to do with skiing, that's what I built Big Picture Skiing to do.

它是一个资源库，一个视频图书馆，涵盖了你需要知道的关于提高滑雪水平的一切。有七天免费试用期，所以你可以去试试，确保它适合你。上面有海量信息，人们每天都在使用这个优质资源变得更好。希望你喜欢今天与本·查普曼关于猫跳滑雪的这一集，我们现在就开始吧。嘿，本，根据你与许多正在为三级、四级等高阶教练证书训练的人一起滑雪的经验，你觉得他们的训练中最常缺少的是什么？

It's resource, it's a library of videos covering everything that you need to know to get better at skiing. There is a seven day free trial so you can check it out, make sure it's something right for you. There's a ton of information on there and people are getting better every single day by using this great resource. I hope you enjoy this episode today with Ben Chapman on Mogul skiing, let's get into it right now. Hey Ben, in your experience skiing around with a lot of people trying to train for the level three, level four, the higher end certificate of an instructor, what's like something you see that is missing very often in their training?

我认为在他们所有的训练中，尤其是在猫跳滑雪方面，缺少的是运动能力这一块。我大概能从一公里外就认出谁是来考三级的，他们坐在小屋里吃午饭。他们试图做出完美的转弯，完美的节奏，一切都力求对称。你会看到他们计算着雪杖点地的时机，你知道，试图描绘出他们认为考官想看到的画面。所以他们变得非常擅长做这些，但当情况发生变化时，你知道，变化、多样性出现了，尤其是在猫跳雪道上，他们就失去平衡了，然后他们就不知所措了。

I think in all their training, but particularly bumps, it's the athleticism piece. I can spot someone training for level three from about a kilometer away, sitting inside the lodge eating lunch. They're trying to do the perfect turn, perfect rhythm, everything's symmetrical. You see them like timing their pole plant, you know, trying to paint the picture they think the examiners want to see. So they get really good at doing that and then when things change, you know, change, variety changes, you know, but especially in the bumps, they get out of balance, yeah, then they don't know what to do.

尤其是在猫跳雪道上，你知道，我们一直在训练这个完美的转弯，而猫跳雪道上的雪包间距只有三、四米。你知道，你只需要能够快速移动，能够适应，能够在失去平衡后迅速调整回来。如果我们不训练这个，我们就做不到。

Particularly in the bumps, you know, we're training this perfect turn all the time and in the bumps, three, four meters apart. You know, you just need to be able to move quickly, you'll be able to adapt, you'll be get out of balance and pull it back in. And if we don't train that, we can't do it.

是的，那么，举个例子，这个雪季你有没有遇到过一些人，朋友或朋友的朋友，你建议他们应该去做什么来训练猫跳滑雪中的那种运动能力，特别是针对猫跳雪道的？

Yeah, so like for example, have you had some people, friends or friends of friends this season where you've suggested what they should go and do to train that athleticism in the bumps, specifically the bumps?

我认为首先要做的是在猫跳雪道之外训练短弯。你知道，当我们为考试训练短弯时，你的弯与弯之间的顶点距离大概是10到12米，对吧？但在猫跳雪道上，在一个我们通常用来考核三级、四级的人造雪道上，雪包间距是三米半。所以你转弯的速度必须比你平时快三倍。

I mean, think the first thing is training a short short term out of the bumps. You know, when we're training our calves short term for an exam, you know, your apex from 10 to 10 is probably 10 to 12 meters. Right? In the bumps, in a man made course, so where we often examine our level three, level four, the bumps are three and a half meters apart. So you have to do your turns three times quicker than you normally would.

如果你在平地上都做不到这一点，那在凹凸不平的地形上控制好你的雪板尖端就更不可能了，而且你还要处理缓冲和其他各种问题。所以要去一个平坦的地方，专门练习快速小弯。你知道，你需要保持平衡才能快速移动双腿，对吧？但不必担心，哦，我那次用脚跟推了或者那次滑偏了。就像在平地上只管移动双脚就好。

If you can't do that on the flats, you know, there's no way in hell you're gonna manage your tippies out in the bumps and you also have to deal with absorption and all these other things. So it's going to somewhere flat and just practicing quick feet short turns. You know, you need to be balanced to move your legs quickly, right? But not, you know, you're not worrying about, oh, yeah, I heel pushed that one or I skidded that one. Like, just move the feet on the flats.

让动作连贯起来。把握好节奏。不必追求高速下坡，但要提高转弯的频率。对吧？然后去凹凸地形试试，但要选最平缓、最容易的凹凸区，只管尝试移动双脚。

Get it moving. Get the tempo. It doesn't have to be a high speed down the hill, but increase that tempo of turn. Right? And then go and do that in the bump, but take the easiest, flattest bumps and just try and move the feet.

你不必担心速度控制，也不会害怕，要知道，即使是快速的，甚至不是绿道级别的，就像最平缓最小可能的凹凸地形。这样你就没有顾虑，没有恐惧，可以全力冲刺，不用担心什么。

You're not worried about speed control, you're not scared, know, like even quick, not even even green wrap, you know, like the flattest smallest bumps possible. You know, so you're not worried, you're not, there's no fear, right, and you can just pin it and blow out and not be worried about that.

是的，这建议很棒。我是说，你知道，你上个赛季在澳大利亚吗？

Yeah, that's great advice. I mean, you know, were you in Australia last season?

是的。

Yeah.

是啊，你知道那个赛季有多糟糕，天气一直很暖和，雪量也不多。我那年就自己下定决心，要在凹凸地形上练出连续转弯，比如双弯。所以每次我滑到像Kraken后缆车那样的平缓区域时，我就会练习那些快速、快速、再快速的转弯，尽我所能，即使我知道自己看起来有点傻，有时候脚分开了还失去平衡。但你知道，练了上千次之后，我开始能接近做到了，就是那种运动能力和节奏变化，绝对是的。是啊，我觉得这是很多人忽略的重要一点。

Yeah, well you know how bad the season was, sort of warm temps all the time and not tonnes of snow. I sort of took it on myself to make it that year to work on getting like a triple turn, like a double turn in the bumps, And so every time I was coming down to like the Kraken back chairlift or whatever and it was flat, I would just practice those like fast, fast, fast, fast, as fast as I could, even though I knew I looked silly and sometimes like my feet went apart and I lost my balance. But know, thousand turns later I can start getting closer to doing it and it's just yeah, that athleticism and tempo change, absolutely. Yeah, massive thing that I think a lot of people overlook.

我认为滑雪是一系列连贯的恢复动作。每次你的脚分开或者动作失误，你都在学习从那种情况中恢复并重获平衡。你知道，我以Whistler为例，三级凹凸地形可能在像Whistle Vault这样的地方，那里相当陡峭，很有挑战性。所以如果人们对三级流程还比较生疏，他们就不敢在这些凹凸区全力滑行。如果他们总是在自以为的考试坡道上训练，就永远无法突破那个极限。

I think in skiing, it is a series of linked recoveries. Every time your feet do split or you throw a beer can out the window, you're learning to recover and regain balance from that situation. You know, I'll use like whistles as an example, you know, level three bumps might be on something like whistle vault and it's quite, you know, it's quite steep and it's quite challenging. So if people are kind of newer to that level three process, you know, they're not able to send it down those bumps. So they're never pushing that limit if they're always training on what they've perceived through that exam pitch.

所以当他们真的失去平衡时，他们并不习惯从那种状态中恢复过来。

So that when they do get out of balance, they're not used to recovering from that.

现在给观众一点背景信息，甚至我自己，我记得第一次正式见到你是在太阳峰，我知道我们算是互相知道对方。我们从滑雪教练界听说过彼此的名字。不过，你能给我们介绍一下你的背景吗？Ben，你的滑雪背景是怎样的？

Now to give the audience a bit of context, and even myself, the first time I remember officially meeting you is in Sun Peaks, and I know we sort of know of each other. We hear each other's names from the ski coaching world. But yeah, can you give us a bit of a background? What's your ski background, Ben?

我在澳大利亚参加过一些校际比赛，但只是非常休闲的水平。你知道，从没在国外比赛过，从没激烈竞争过，也从没在正式俱乐部训练过。但从我14、15岁起，我就想成为一名滑雪教练。所以我在上大学前休了一年间隔年，在班夫和珀里舍做这个。然后自从大学以来，怎么说呢，连续十年就在珀里舍和惠斯勒之间来回。

So I did a little bit of the inter schools competitions in Australia, but only at a very recreational level. You know, never competed overseas, you know, never competed fierce, never trained in an official club. But from when I was 14, 15 was like, I wanna be a ski instructor. So I did a gap year, you know, doing that in Banff and Perisher before university. And then since university, what, ten years on the trot just between Perisher and Whistler.

所以就是来回奔波。在珀里舍，全职在珀里舍移动队执教，还做一点APSI考官的工作。然后在加拿大，现在更多是偏向自由滑雪这方面的事情。

So just been moving back and forth. In Perisher, coaching full time with the Perisher mobile team and doing a little bit of APSI examining. And then in Canada, kind of a bit more on the free rate sort of side of things now.

嗯，酷。那么这个赛季，比如，你在惠斯勒具体教练谁？你说你一直在做一些自由滑雪和蘑菇滑雪的教练工作。是这样吗？

Yeah. Cool. And so this this season, like, who have you been coaching in, like, specifically in in Whistler? You said you've been doing a bit of freeride and mogul coaching. Is that right?

实际上在冬季，只是在周末和自由滑雪俱乐部一起，并为一家叫Extremely Canadian的公司工作。就像是演讲诊所。我们在这里有几个培训教练的课程。我们建了一个叫Chappies Bumps的滑索课程。但到了春天，当我们转向春季运营，一些澳大利亚运动员会过来，我们在春天会做更多蘑菇滑雪的东西。

So actually, in in winter, it's just with the freeride club on weekends and work for company, extremely Canadian. It's like speech clinics. We have a couple of sessions training instructors here. We build a zipline course called Chappies Bumps. But then when we get into spring, as we move to spring operations and some of the Australian athletes come out and we'll be doing a lot more mobile stuff in spring.

嗯，好的，酷。那么个人来说，你记得吗，说到在蘑菇滑雪上变得更好，你记得有没有一个时刻你真正在个人滑雪上取得了突破，以及你在自己的蘑菇滑雪中具体做出了什么改变？

Yeah, okay, cool. So then like personally, do you remember, speaking of getting better in bumps, do you remember a moment where you really like, made a breakthrough with your own skiing and what exactly that change was in your own mogul skiing?

我觉得最早的时候，要追溯到很久以前，我们是那种典型的校际滑雪家庭。我哥哥和我组队代表纽卡斯尔参赛，滑了几周。我们打进了州锦标赛。我爸就说，你们根本不知道自己在做什么。所以我们找了个移动教练，带着十个新手，我记得我猛戳了那个‘怪物’的脚趾，还一拳打中他的鼻子，这打破了技术吸收的玻璃天花板。

I think the first, I used to go way back, we were the stereotypical interschools, you know, family. My brother and I were a team from Newcastle, skied a few weeks. We made it to the state championships. Dad's like, you guys don't know how to do what you're doing. So we got a mobile pilot with 10 moons and I remember stabbed the monster in the toes and punched him in the nose and the glass ceiling for absorption.

所以我觉得我至今还记得，大约二十年前我们上了两次两小时的私教课，我仍然记得那两个技巧，我认为那最初让我爱上了滑过雪包。

So I think I still remember that, I think we had two two hour privates back in about twenty years ago and I still remember those two tips and that's I think what first gave me my love for skiing the bumps.

为不了解‘怪物’比喻的听众多解释一下，因为我觉得这实际上是一个对手部动作等各方面都非常好的小提示或技巧。

Expand more for listener who doesn't know about the monster one, because I think that is actually a really, for the hands and everything, is a really good kind of little cue or tip.

我认为这对那些希望让自己的技术更‘雪包化’、看起来更像竞技雪包滑雪者的教练来说是一个很好的方法。与其做一个大幅度的挥杆式雪杖点地，对吧，你希望它是那种非常轻巧、细腻的触碰。所以如果你面前有个四英尺高的小妖精，你只想戳它的脚趾，再给它鼻子一拳，对吧？我也觉得，用出拳来类比，与其像摆拳或上勾拳那样大幅度挥舞，这只是一记轻刺。是的。

I think it's a really good one for instructors that are, I guess, looking to mogulify their technique to look a little bit more like a competition mogul skier. Instead of having a big sort of a swinging pole plant, right, you want it like a really kind of light delicate touch. So if you've got a little gremlin in front of you that's, you know, four foot high, you just want to stab them in the toes and punch them in the nose, right? I think too, instead of, know, to use the punching analogy, instead of swinging big like haymakers or uppercuts, it's just a little jab. Yes.

两指拳。

Two finger punch.

是的。没错。因为很多，我是说，很多只是自由滑雪包的人，他们的雪杖点地往往是做出来然后就留在后面了，几乎像是他们戳了那个四英尺高的小家伙的脚趾，然后几乎像是抽回来，好像怕被咬到似的，而不是

Yes. Yeah. Because a lot of, I mean, a lot of people that just ski kind of free bumps, the pole plant tends to be made and then left behind, almost like they've stabbed the dude in the toes, the little four foot dude, and then almost like pulled away like that I want to get bitten kind of thing instead of

是的，这有帮助。它能让你保持中心，让你持续向山下移动，没错。

Yeah, helps. It keeps you centered, keeps you moving down the hill, yeah.

是的。那么说到后续阶段，当你开始精进技术时，或许通过观看自己滑蘑菇道的视频，你能想到其他更高级的突破点吗？

Yep. And so in terms of like later on then, as you start to refine things, maybe looking at video of your own bump skiing, can you think of some other like more advanced breakthroughs that you made?

刚开始执教时，你知道，在Parish和冬季运动俱乐部队伍里，我非常幸运能遇到一些真正优秀的教练，比如乔治·利尔、皮特·麦克尼尔——他现在培养过几位奥运金牌得主，还有现任APSI主席乔希·希姆伯里。所以很大程度上是在改进转弯形态，更多地采用蘑菇道上的刻滑转弯，而不是沿着赛道枢轴转弯。就个人而言，吸收动作的幅度、范围和时机也很关键，当时能使用滚筒训练台来分离这些动作对我帮助很大，实际上这也是我至今仍在精进的高级技术。

When I first started coaching, you know, with the Parish and Winter Sports club team, I was super lucky to have, you know, some really, like, good coaches there, like George Lille, Pete McNeil, who's now, you know, coached a couple of Olympic gold medalists, and Josh Himbury, who's the current president of the APSI. So a lot of it was working on like the turn shape and so having more of a carve turn in the bumps as opposed to pivoting down the course. And then personally as well, just the absorption, range and timing and having access to like a roller tank to isolate those movements would probably be a key thing for me and actually what I'm still working on in advance.

能具体解释一下吗？在你开始练习这个——我打个引号叫'刻滑蘑菇道'之前，滑行状态是怎样的？和之后有什么区别？

So like can you break that down? How, like what might it look like before you started working on this, like I'm going put inverted commas, carving the bumps. What did that look like versus, yeah, that versus before?

这正好引出一个关于竞技蘑菇滑雪的常见误解——很多人以为我们只是在赛道里枢轴转弯或滑行通过雪包。在初级阶段，制动式转弯确实是保持赛道线的有效方式，首要目标是从山顶滑到山脚。制动动作能控制速度、保持线路和平衡。但到了高级阶段，我们要追求的是刻滑通过整个赛道。

I think it's a good sort of segue into, I guess, maybe a misconception about competitive mobile scheme, know, or like, you know, in in the zipline course that we just pivot or slide through the bumps. I think at an elementary level, that's, you know, briquage is a really good way to stay in the course. You know, that's goal number one is to get from the top of the line to the bottom. You know, briquage kind of moves, you know, controls your speed, keeps you in the line, keeps you in balance. But at the upper end, we're trying to carve the way through the course.

这更接近澳大利亚式的刻滑定义：保持很大立刃角度，但雪板仍存在些许扭转，并非完全锁死在刃上。

I think you know, more of a Australian definition of carving, which is where we have a lot of edge angle, but there is still some twisting of the ski, so it's not a purely locked on edge.

是的。

Yes.

对我很有启发的一个类比是：让板头先接触雪包。虽然这样走线更直接更激进，但吸收冲击的时机分散到整个板刃长度上，反而会更平稳。如果采用枢轴滑行让脚底先撞上雪包，所有冲击都会瞬间爆发。所以这种更直接的滑法需要时间适应，但从长远来看会更流畅——毕竟平滑本身就是一种快速。

And you know, some analogies I think for me that really help with that is that tip into the bump. You know, if your tip of the ski can impact the bump first, right, while it might be a more direct or more aggressive line, your timing of absorption is spread out over the whole length of the ski. So it actually makes it way smoother as opposed to if you pivot and slide into the bump and the foot hits it first, all that impact comes on like instantaneously. So taking like a more direct approach, you know, actually in the long run, it takes a while to get the hang of it, but in the long run it's going be smoother and you're actually be going slow as smooth, smooth as fast.

是啊，是啊，完全同意。所以那一定是你教练工作中的重要部分，尤其是在澳大利亚赛季你们做更多猫跳滑雪的时候。你提到了波浪训练道，我最近在日本，去的几个地方就有这个设施，我觉得这对学习者来说是非常有价值的训练地形。你能谈谈波浪训练道具体是什么吗？如果人们看到它，可以尝试哪两件事？

Yeah, yeah, totally. So that must be like a big thing you are coaching, especially in the Aussie season when you are doing more mogul stuff. And you mentioned the roller tank, I was recently in Japan and a few of the places I went to they had that and I think that's such a valuable of bit of terrain for people to learn on. Do you want to just talk about the roller tank, what it is exactly and if people see one, what would be like two things they could go try on it?

是的。从竞赛模式设置来说，我们会建造波浪训练道或滚筒训练道，大概有六到八个波浪，由压雪机推成，间隔约六米，比正式赛道稍宽一些，这样能让我们隔离出那个动作，可以反复练习很多次。

Yeah. From like a competition sort of modal setup, you know, we'll build a wave tank or roller tank where we kind of have, maybe six to eight kind of rolls just you know, pushed up by the cat probably six meters apart, so slightly more spaced than they are in the course and just allows us to isolate that movement and can just hike it, repeat a lot.

它的坡度是平缓还是陡峭？

How flat or steep is it?

这取决于你训练的内容。通常非常平缓。我们经常隔离动作，直线滑行，纯粹练习吸收缓冲。有些地方会建更像滑雪穿越的波浪道，波浪更大更平滑，这样你还可以练习在波浪过渡时的换刃时机。如果没有波浪训练道，比如在雪道边缘的脊线上练习也可以。

It depends what you're working on. Generally very flat. We often really isolate the movement where we're going in a straight line and purely working on the absorption. Some places will build more of like a ski across roller tank where they're a little bit larger rolls and a bit smoother, and so you can actually work on like the timing of edge change in the transition over the rolls as well. Without access to a roller tank, you know, spines like running on the edge of groomers.

你在脊线上上下滑行，能重现同样的感觉。或者教孩子们高速或低速横穿一个自由凹凸地形，然后逐渐提速。你是在隔离那些相同的动作。就我们追求的动作而言，我认为有两点：动作幅度。很多人幅度不够。

You you go up and down a spine, it recreates the same feeling. Or coaching kids, you know, traversing a free bump mobile field at high speed, or even at low speed, and then building up the speed. You're isolating those, you know, that same movement. In terms of the movement we're looking for is, I mean, two things I think, like range of movement. You know, a lot of us don't have enough range.

我想这又回到了我们之前谈到的运动能力部分。你觉得大多数灵活的滑雪者在固定器位置会看起来不错。说得有点粗俗，但我常说，试着把固定器塞进屁股里。这就是我们想解锁的那种奇怪感觉。其次，很多教练容易陷入的误区是，试图让大部分缓冲来自脚踝和膝盖，并保持胸部挺直。

I guess it comes back to that athleticism piece, you know, we were talking about earlier. You think most mobile skiers are gonna look good at binding. You know, a bit crude, but I say, try and jam your binding up your ass. That's how strange, you know, we want to unlock. And then secondly, and this is I think a lot of instructors get a little caught, is trying to have most of that absorption coming from ankle and knee and keeping that kind of chest upright.

对，没错。所以在平缓地形的波浪训练道上练习这个，就能消除很多让人感到畏惧的因素。你是不是发现当让人们，比如说，远离陡坡，我们只专注于幅度练习时就是这样？如果你有一个波浪训练道，你会用它作为帮助进步的方法吗？

Yes, yeah. And so working on that in the roller tank on the flatter terrain just takes away a lot of the elements that people find sort of intimidating. Like is that what you find when you get people to say, zip line, hey, let's step away from that, we're going to work just on maybe the range piece. If you had a roller tank, is that what you would go and do as a progression to help that?

百分之百。在颠簸场地中有太多事情同时发生。你知道，一切都发生得很快，可能还包含恐惧因素。所以使用波浪池或仅仅穿越单个凸起，可以让你专注于隔离那种动作，而不用担心其他所有正在发生的事情。

100%. There's so much going on in a bump field. You know, it's all happening, you know, quickly and there might be fear elements in there as as well. So you're having a wave tank or just traversing singular logos, you know, allows you to isolate that movement without having to worry about everything else that's going on.

是的。是的。好的。酷。那你们也会用滚筒池来教那种刻滑技巧吗？

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Cool. And do you do you use the roller tank as well for sort of teaching the carving sort of like that piece?

在我们的项目中，比如Perpetual，我们通常不会。我们会建造更尖锐的滚筒，纯粹为了吸收训练。

With our program, like, in Perpetual, we typically, like, don't. We build sort of sharper rollers, you know, purely for the absorption.

啊，酷。所以你们实际上是建造那种不太平滑的，更像是三角形的滚筒。

Ah, cool. Yeah. So you actually build rather than like really kinda smooth ones. Yeah. It's more like triangle almost.

三角形。

Triangles.

是的。能想象那样会更像真实的雪包道感觉。

Yeah. Can see how that would be way more like a real mogul course feeling.

是的，我们主要用它来进行吸收训练，而其他一些项目会建造更多波浪形的滚筒来练习换刃。我们更多在平整的压雪道上练习那个动作。

Yeah, and we primarily use it predominantly for the absorbing piece, whereas some other programs build more wavy rolling tanks to work on that edge change. We work on that more on the flat, on the groomers.

明白了，好的，很酷，不错。那么或许你能稍微介绍一下背景，我们俩都接受过APSI认证培训，澳大利亚的APSI体系，它引导你更好地掌握猫跳滑雪技巧，确实会引导你采用更接近竞技猫跳的技术，你同意吗？

Got it, okay, cool, nice. So maybe do you want to speak to a little bit of background, we both were trained APSI certified and the APSI Australian system, the pathways you get better at moguls, it does steer you towards a technique that is more similar to competition moguls, would you agree?

是的，百分之百同意。

Yeah. 100%.

是的。那么，比如，你是否看到其他国家或来自其他协会培训的人可能没有这样的……鉴于你的培训背景和教练经验，你看到了什么？这只是给那些在练习猫跳滑雪的人一些建议，可能他们来自其他协会或国家。

Yeah. And so, like, do you see then other countries or people training from other associations maybe not having like, what what do you see what do you see given given that training background, given your coaching? And, you know, if you it's just this is just advice and stuff out there to people working on their mobile skiing, maybe from other associations, other countries.

是的。我的意思是，我认为我有一个相当独特的混合背景，所以那种拉链线式的教练方式，但后来在加拿大滑了很多自由式雪包。你知道，我在这里的四级考试中必须滑自由式雪包，而且我看过Richie Berger的视频，特别是那个叫‘想象力’的视频，你看到他滑自由式雪包时，实际上应用了很多竞技猫跳的技巧，我想，来解释一下，首先是路线选择。而不是越过雪包顶部，在山上划出很圆的弧线，尽可能多。

Yeah. I mean, I think having a pretty unique blend, so that zipper line, you know, coaching, but then skiing a lot of free bumps in Canada. You know, I had to do free bumps for my exam piece level four here, and I think watching Richie Berger's videos, you know, imagination is one specifically, where you watch him ski the free bumps, and he actually applies quite a lot of kind of competition mogul, I guess, approaches to how he skis the three bumps. I think to elaborate on that, I guess the first is sort of line choice. Instead of crossing over the top of a bump and going like really loopy across the hill, as much as I can.

你知道，我试图滑行几乎我称之为雪包的内壁，所以即使在自由滑行中也保持那种拉链线。显然，坡度越陡，这越棘手，这就是训练那种运动能力的地方，绝对是件事，你知道，早季时，我就在Whistler猛练Shale Slit Whistle雪道，每第三个弯，我会扔一个啤酒罐出窗外，这是在教如何从中恢复。所以当我们在北美加拿大滑自由式雪包场地时，我们通常会遇到节奏变化。你知道，雪包、雪包、雪包、雪包，然后一个大空档到另一个雪包。我们经常选择一个拉长的长弯，我认为这通常会减慢节奏，但也可能让我们进入侧滑，你知道，可能打乱我们，让我们失去平衡，它减慢了节奏。

You know, I'm trying to ski almost what I call the inside wall of the bump and so staying in kind of that zipper even in free thrust. Obviously as it gets steeper, that gets trickier, and that's where training that athleticism piece is definitely something, you know, I go, you know, early season, I just hammer, you know, shale slit whistle mould in Whistler and, you know, I'll throw every third turn, I'll throw a beer can out the window, which is teaching to recover from that. So when we're skiing a free bump modal field, what we typically find in North America, Canada, and we had a rhythm change. You know, so you got bump, bump, bump, bump, and then a big space to another bump. We often choose a drawn out longer term and I think that often allow, like it slows down the rhythm, but it also can put us into a skid, know, can disrupt us, put us out of balance, it slows down the rhythm.

我有点从Guy Hetherington那里偷来了这个比喻，所以功劳归他，还有Bill Tonawat，但我喜欢把滑雪包想象成与山共舞。你知道，华尔兹，舞厅华尔兹，很优雅，对吧？它流畅，看起来很美。但在我自己的滑雪中，我试图尽可能刺激。所以我更瞄准像探戈甚至萨尔萨舞的风格，懂吗？

And I've kind of, I've stolen this analogy from Guy Hetherington, so I guess credit to him and sort of Bill Tonawat, but I like to think of skiing bumps a bit of like a dance with a mountain. You know, a waltz, you know, a ballroom waltz, it's elegant, you know? And it's smooth and it is beautiful to watch. But with my own skiing, I'm trying to be, I guess, as exciting as possible. So I'm kinda aiming up for more of like a tango or even like a salsa, you know?

所以当节奏被打乱时，如果我能在一个雪包上做两个快速转弯，这样我实际上可以加快节奏而不是减慢节奏，我认为这会让我的滑雪更刺激。所以这可能意味着，一个五米长的雪包，你得在上面做两个转弯。所以你知道，你得用很多脚踝三角转动。你不能把髋部卷入弯中。你没有足够的时间，对吧？

And so when we have that disruption of rhythm, if I can do two quick turns on one bump, so I can actually up the tempo instead of slowing the tempo down, I think that's gonna make my scheme more exciting. And so that might mean, you you have one five meter long bump, you've got to do two turns on it. And so you know, you've got to use a lot of ankle triangulation. You can't get your hip inside of the turn. You don't have enough time, right?

或者你甚至可以用海豚式转弯动作来腾空。要知道，比起做一个拖沓的转弯导致我害怕，可能会把我推到后座、推到内侧、减慢节奏，如果我能在一个雪包上做一个海豚式转弯或双转，那就像探戈中你把舞伴放低到地板再拉起来的感觉，那是那种让人眼前一亮的时刻，人们会盯着你看，就像那种令人兴奋的滑雪方式，是我想要观看的。

Or you can even use a dolphin turn move to air it. Know, so instead of doing one drawn out turn that's gonna lead me into a scared, maybe push me into the back seat, push me inside, slow down that tempo. If I can do a dolphin turn or a double turn on one bump, that's my, I think of the tango where you let your partner down to the floor and pull them back up, that's that sort of pizzazz moment that people watch you, like that's exciting skiing that I wanna watch.

是的，我完全同意。我一直在思考这个问题，因为你和我并不比赛，但我们的滑雪中仍有一种元素是我们努力追求的，不仅仅是我们能滑下这条黑色蘑菇道，你知道，有一个点是实际上享受于钻研你谈到的那些东西，比如兴奋感、甚至可以说是风格，就像你肯定会看自己的视频然后会说，哦，我想改改这里或那里，仅仅从视觉上那并不吸引我。当然，你仍然从A点到B点，你在控制中，你知道，所有那些方面。但是，是的，你想谈谈这个吗？因为这确实是我喜欢滑雪的一点，它不仅仅是完全功能性的，我确实喜欢风格。

Yeah, I totally agree. I've been thinking about this because you and I are not competing, but there's still an element to our skiing that we try and work on where it's not just we can ski down this black mogul run, you know, there's a point where it's actually enjoyable to work on the things you're talking about, like excitement, style you'd even call it, like you must look at your own video and you kind of go, oh, I want to change this about it or that doesn't appeal to me just visually. Sure, you're still getting from A to B, you're in control, you know, all those sorts of things. But, yeah, do you want to speak to that? Because that's certainly something I enjoy about skiing, is it's not just about being completely functional, I do like style.

而且我认为这就是为什么，你知道，你会被某些滑雪者吸引，比如Richie Berger和日本的Ryuji Kuwabara，因为他们有这些真正展现他们个性和互动方式的风格。你想谈谈你对这个的看法吗，比如你是否在尝试拥有一种风格，或者你有多欣赏这一点？

And I think that's why, you know, you get drawn to certain skiers like Richie Berger and Ryuji, that Kuwabara from from Japan, because they have these styles that really showcase their kind of personality and the way they interact. Do you want to speak to that in terms of your thoughts on that, if you're trying to have a style or how much you appreciate that?

我的意思是，这实际上会更容易应用到我的大山滑雪或自由滑雪中，我在这里经常这样做。所以你会看到，你知道，一些自由滑雪俱乐部的教练或一些职业滑雪者，你知道，他们可能有，你知道，一种超级充满力量的风格，他们滑雪一切都非常快，全速滑行，你知道，他们就像在滑冰一样，你知道，穿过所有雪包，你知道，当他们滑下来时。有时我喜欢那样做，但很多时候我试图更流畅，你知道，更平滑，并尝试利用地形来我的优势，而不是与之对抗。或者你知道，就像在雪包上拼命坚持。这绝对是我尝试将我的风格融入我的自由滑雪和大山滑雪中的东西，你知道，肯定的。

I mean, it's actually gonna be easier for me to take that to my big mountain skiing or the freeride skiing, which I do a lot on here. And so you see, you know, some of the freeride club coaches or some of the pro skiers, you know, around, they might have, you know, a super chargey style, you know, they ski everything like super fast, super full line, you know, they're skating like, you know, through all the bumps, you know, as they're skiing down. And sometimes I like to do that, But a lot of the times I'm trying to be like more flowy, you know, and so smoother and trying to like use the train to my advantage rather than like fighting against it. Or you know, like holding on for the life of the bumps. That's something I'm definitely, I guess, trying to add my style into my like freeride and big mountain skiing, you know, for sure.

然后，你知道，在雪包中，我们CSA四级的一个标准是你能随意保持雪地接触。所以我有点试图尽可能多地腾空，只要适合地形，你知道，和节奏。要知道，我曾遇到过麻烦，我试图强行腾空，但雪包不配合，你知道，我撞到了一个雪包的正面。但是，你知道，只要可行，你知道，我可以在雪包中做三四个海豚式转弯来改变线路。就像，我认为那看起来太棒了。

And then, you know, in the bumps, one of our sort of criteria in the CSA level four is you maintain snow contact at will. And so I'm sort of trying to look to get airborne as much as I can as it suits the terrain, you know, and the rhythm. Know, I've got caught out where I've tried to force an air where the bumps they didn't work and, you know, I'm slamming into the upside of a of a mogul. But, you know, wherever it works, you know, I can do three, four, like, dolphin turns to change lines in the bumps. Like, I think that looks awesome.

如果我想建造自己的蘑菇道课程，我需要考虑什么，我需要做什么？

If I wanted to build my own Mogul course, what have I gotta consider, what have I gotta do?

所以有两种方法，所有世界杯课程都是用雪帽建造的，我们称之为推雪或猫压建造。但我们建造大多数相关线路的方法只是我们所说的滑入或标记它。一些国家的一些俱乐部使用短桩。我们使用花园标记旗。所以你可以买，你知道，100个花园标记旗在Bunnings花30美元。

So two methods, We've got all World Cup courses are built with the snowcap, what we call pushing or like a cat build. But how we build most of our relevant lines is just what we call skiing it in or flagging it. Some clubs in some countries use stubbies. We use garden marker flags. So you can buy, you know, a 100 guard markers for $30 off Bunnings.

我们的雪包设置是从一个包到下一个包，沿山坡向下间隔三米半，宽度在一米五到一米七五之间。

We set ours three and a half meters down the hill from bump to bump and we go between one point five and one point seven five meters wide.

好的。

Okay.

我们通常就用移动滑雪板来测量。我的滑雪板是172厘米，女孩们的是166厘米，我们一般就用这个。对，我们就沿着山坡拉卷尺测量。所以每七米在同一行会有一个标志旗，然后每三米半，在旁边一个滑雪板长度的位置也会有一个标志旗。

We typically just use a mobile ski. So my mobile ski is 172 centimeters, the girls ski is 166, we just normally use that. So yeah, we just run a tape measure down the hill. You know, so every seven meters in the same row will be a flag. And then every three and a half meters, there'll be a flag one ski length to the side.

酷。是的。

Cool. Yeah.

是的。一旦插好旗标，教练和运动员们就可以在雪道上做曲棍球式急停。我们的提示是：根据雪的软硬和坡度的陡缓，让脚趾部分一直滑到旗标位置。你知道，有30个人的话，大概滑个四五趟，雪包就初步形成了。然后从曲棍球式急停逐渐过渡到曲棍球式滑行或者移动式制动，速度要慢很多，转弯要圆滑，直到雪包基本成型。

Yeah. Once it's flagged, know, your coaches and your athletes, just do hockey stops down the course. So you do our kind of cue is toe piece all the way to the flag, depending how soft the snow is and how steep the pitch is. You know, with 30 people, you know, maybe four or five passes through, you've kind of already got your bumps. So then you kind of progress from hockey stops to, know, kind of hockey slides or like a moving brecage, you know, and you still ski a much slower, you round the turn until the bumps are kind of, you know, formed.

到某个阶段，你会看到这些大的雪泥堆，几乎呈三角形。一旦它们达到一定规模，就会稍微踩踏一下，让它们变得平滑，从三角形变成圆丘状。如果你要自己做这个，我觉得关键两点是选择合适的雪况和日子。你可以要求晚点压雪，比如压雪车七点结束，你八点去插旗，这样雪不会太硬，会非常软。

At some point you're gonna have these big slush piles that are, you know, almost triangles. So you know, once they get to the kind of critical mass of size, they'll do a bit of a step which will like kind of smooth it out, know, round them from kind of triangles to sort of mounds. If you're going to do this yourself, I think the two, I guess the key thing is picking the right sort of snow conditions and day. Know, you have the ability to request like a late groom, you know, if the cat can get off at seven a. And you can flag it at eight, you know, it doesn't set up too much and will be really, it'll be really soft.

在惠斯勒这里，我们通常没这个条件，所以我们会选一个下过雪的日子，比如之前连续三天都下了雪，雪非常软，这样堆起来就非常、非常快。

Here in Whistler, we often don't have that luxury, so we try and pick a day where it's snowed, it had snowed the last three days, the snow is really soft and then it pushes up, you know, really, really quick.

是的，很酷。那么关于坡度推荐呢？因为我之前说过，我很想在Thread Bow上做一条雪道，我真的很想要一条适合初学者的mogul雪道。你能把它们放在什么样的坡度上？你会推荐的最低角度的绿道是什么？

Yeah, cool. And then what about pitch recommendations? Because I know I was saying, oh I'd love to do a thread bow on a I would just love a beginner mogul run. Like can you put them on a like, what's the lowest angle green run you'd recommend?

我的意思是，我们在蓝色竞速道上为熟悉Perisher的人建了一条。我觉得当地形平坦时，雪包的形成会慢很多，所以你可能需要用耙子或铲子来帮忙堆起雪包。你知道，显然当坡度陡峭时，你知道，陡峭且雪质松软，几个曲棍球式急停就能搞定。就像我们在Perisher的国际T Bar考试时做过，我们有大约40个人跟着教练转一圈，如果是烂雪，就已经形成雪包了。但确实，如果太平坦，你可能需要多用些耙子和铲子。

I mean, we build one on the blue race lanes for anyone who who knows Perisher. I think as it gets flat, the bumps build up a lot slower, so you actually might need to use a bit of a rake or a shovel to help push up the bumps. Know, obviously when it's steep, you know, steep and soft snow, you know, a few hockey stops and you know, you're done. Like we've done it just on exams at Perisher on international T Bar, we've had what, 40 people follow a coach and one lap through, if it's slushy, you've already got a bump fight. But yeah, if it's too flat, you might need to use a bit more rakes and shovels.

我觉得坡度方面，Mount Buller的Shammar大约是19度，那是一个非常好的学习坡度。

I think pitch, Shammar at Mount Buller, I think is 19 degrees and that's a really good kind of learning pitch.

Perisher的Mogul Maths是多少度？大概什么角度？

What's Mogul Maths at Perish or what angle is that at about?

我觉得整个雪道大约23度，但顶部，你知道，顶部那部分接近28度，Mogul Maths的顶部对学习课程来说太陡了。是的，前六个月非常有挑战性，真的很有挑战性。所以对于在Perisher滑雪的人来说，Mogul Maths作为真正的发展学习线路来说有点太陡了。

I think the overall course is about 23, but the top, you know, the top sort of part is, you know, closer, you know, to 28, and the top part of mobile maths is too steep, you know, for a learning course. Yep. Yeah, it's quite challenging, those top six months, like really challenging. So yeah, mobile mats for those who've skied at Perisher is, I'd say really, is a little bit too steep for a kind of real development learning line.

是的，其实你知道他们有时候会把它放在High Noon顶部Thread Bow右边那里吗？那个位置很不错对吧？角度很好。

Yeah, actually you know how sometimes they put it at top of high noon at Thread Bow on the right there? That's quite a good spot isn't it? That's a good angle.

是的，我觉得那大概是20到22度左右。

Yeah, think that's about twenty, twenty two roughly.

是的。是的。是的。我很想放一个进去，就像我们之前聊过的那个叫Ryuju的小伙子那样，再来一个更平缓的。他大概也就13、14岁左右吧。就是为了减少那种 intimidation factor，就是那种运动能力，就是快速通过的那种感觉。

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'd love to put like one in one in though, like a little flatter again like this this guy Ryuju we were talking about, where he's got his must be like 13, 14 or something. And it's just like just for that less intimidation factor, like the athleticism like just go really fast through it kind of thing.

所以是的，太独特了，你在别处根本找不到。低角度的雪包就是这样，我猜是因为它们根本形成不了，你知道，人们不会在低角度地形做曲棍球式急停短弯，所以雪包不会形成。

So yeah, such a unique yeah, you just don't find that anywhere. Like low angle bumps is like the thing, I guess because they just don't form, you know, people aren't like doing hockey stop short turns in low angle terrain so bumps don't form.

嗯，我觉得实际上修建一条雪道的过程，你知道，比如对滑雪学校的人来说，你可以在压雪道的边缘滑出一条来，你知道那里不会被压雪机处理。在滑出这条道的过程中，你实际上能获益良多，你知道，因为你在学习节奏感，动作的时机。你知道，如果你在教练运动员，基本上，你知道，在你用曲棍球式停滑完第一圈后，你就是在雪道里做弯道滑行了。所以这对练习你的腿部转弯、身体姿态、手部位置非常有益。而且整个过程你都不用去想吸收动作，因为还没有雪包呢。

Well I think actually the process of building a course, you know, for like people in a ski school, you know, you can just ski one in, you know, on the edge of a groomer where you know it's not getting groomed. And the process of skiing it in, you can actually get so much benefit, you know, because you're learning to just the rhythm, you know, the timing of movements. You know, if you're coaching athletes, know, essentially, you know, after your first lap at hockey stops, you're just doing the carbs through the course. So it's really good for working on your leg turning, body position, your hand position. And all that time, you're not really having to think about absorption because there's no bumps yet.

吸收动作是蘑菇滑雪中最难的部分。你知道，随着一天天过去，每滑一次，雪包都会慢慢变大5%，再变大5%。所以这是一个非常好的过程。如果你正苦于无法顺利滑完一条雪道，那么参与从零开始修建一条，你知道，是的，怎么推荐都不为过

Absorption is like the hardest thing with bump skiing. You know, and as you go throughout the day, every run, bumps are slowly getting 5% bigger, 5% bigger. So it's a super good process. If you're just struggling to get through a course, being involved in building one from the ground up, you know, is, yes, can't

怎么推荐都不为过。是的，太棒了。那么换个话题，开始录音前你告诉我你经常和一群孩子一起滑雪，那群孩子里可能有几个你从没一起滑过或看他们滑过，而你注意到孩子们滑雪靴的一些问题。你想谈谈这个吗？

promote enough. Yeah, awesome. So switching gears, you were telling me before we started recording about how often you ski with a group of kids and there's probably a couple of kids in that group you've never skied before or seen skiing, and you notice something with kids boots. Do you want to speak to that?

是的，所有滑雪归根结底都取决于我们如何站在滑雪板上。我很想做一个盲测，跟着一群人滑下一段压雪机道，然后告诉一个教练，你知道，通过观察一群人滑压雪机道来猜出谁是这个组里滑得最好的。我认为任何优秀的指导员或教练大概都能，你知道，以百分之九十的成功率挑出来。但你能看出谁能在滑雪板上站得好。就雪靴而言，你的脚踝弯曲，你知道，能够运用你的脚踝是好滑雪者和优秀滑雪者的区别。

Yeah, all skiing comes down to how we stand on our skis. I'd love to do a blind study of following a group down a cat track and telling a coach, know, guessing from watching a group ski down the cat track who's the best skier in the group. And I think any sort of good instructor or good coach could probably, you know, pick that out with like ninety percent success rate. But you can see who can stand well on their skis. In terms of boots, your ankle flexes, you know, being able to like engage your ankle is like the difference between a good scare and a great scare.

我认为有太多孩子穿的雪靴，你知道，我的意思是我们总是谈论人们穿太大的雪靴，这是显而易见的问题。但即使有时人们经过专业 fitting，他们穿的雪靴也可能太硬了。所以如果你实际上无法弯曲雪靴，或者你知道，我们之前聊过，我们有时会看到一些孩子，他们也许能弯曲，你知道，弯曲脚踝，他们的胫骨在动，但这是在雪靴内部动，外壳的塑料并没有跟着他们一起动。这会让你很难在滑雪板上站稳，而如果你不能在滑雪板上站稳，你就很难再以极高的精度去做任何其他动作了。

I think so many kids are in boots that, know, I mean we always talk about people in boots that are too big and that's the easy one. Even when people are sometimes fitted, they're in boots that are too stiff. So if you can't actually flex the boot, or you know, were talking earlier, we sometimes see kids that they might be able to bend, you know, bend their ankles, their shin's moving, but it's moving inside the boot, the actual plastic of the shell is not moving with them. It's gonna make it really hard to stand in your skis, and if you can't stand out in your skis, you can't really do anything else to a super high degree of precision.

你是说，几乎每次你接手一群新孩子时，你都会发现其中有个人让你觉得，嘿，午餐时间，詹姆斯，我想看看你的雪靴，因为你一眼就看出问题了，是这样吗？

You're saying though, like almost, you you often get given a new group of kids. You said nearly every time there's someone in that group that you're like, hey, at lunchtime, James, I wanna look at your boots because you've seen this issue like straight away, is that right?

是的，我们讨论站姿，讨论脚踝弯曲，让膝盖超过脚趾，但没什么效果。所以，几乎每次我看到一群新孩子，甚至成年人，我都会在午餐时间检查某人的雪靴。不是合不合脚的问题，更多的是他们能否真正弯曲靴子，能否让膝盖超过脚趾？因为我觉得很多人穿的靴子太硬了。我认为原因有几个，我不是专业的靴子装配师，但我们一直在让靴子装配师来指导教练团队。

Yeah, we talk about talk about stance and talk about flexing the ankle, getting knees over toes, nothing happens. And so, yeah, almost every time I see with a new group of kids and even adults, it's I'm checking someone's boots at lunch. And not so much the fit, but more like can they actually flex it and can they get their knees over their toes? Because I think a lot that are in boots that are too stiff. I think some reasons for that, and I'm not an expert boot fitter, but we've been getting boot fitters in without coaching team.

而且我认为，每个俱乐部，甚至从低级别开始，比如六岁的孩子，我觉得让靴子装配师来提升教练的技能，教他们如何进行靴子检查，有哪些简单的调整方法，或者如何识别某人应该去找装配师。但有些情况，比如我见过一个13岁的女孩去年穿和我一样尺码的靴子。我不是个大块头，但我72公斤，身高五英尺九英寸。她可能比我矮三英寸，体重只有我的一半。但她的脚长大了，可她仍然是个小孩子。

And I think, you know, every, you know, every club, you know, even from, you know, working with, like, low level, you know, six year olds, you know, I think getting boot fitters in to upskill the coaches on on how to, you know, do boot checks and what are some of the simple adjustments or how do you just recognize that one, you know, that someone should go see a fitter. You know, but some things, you know, I've seen is you might have a 14, one of our 13 year old girls last year, she was in the same size boot as me. You know, I'm not a massive guy, but you know, I weigh seventy two kilos, five foot nine. You know, she would be like three inches shorter than me and probably weighs half as much. But you know, her foot has grown, but she's still, you know, a little human.

所以如果她穿成人靴，她的小腿几乎快到膝盖了。她没有足够的体重和力量来弯曲它。而且，你知道，他们的小腿肌肉很小。所以你的小腿就像一个天然的减震器，尤其是在mogul滑雪中，我们试图向前倾，需要比传统滑雪者更多的脚踝弯曲。

And so if she's in an adult boot, her calf comes up almost to her knee. And so just doesn't have the weight and the strength to flex it. And also, you know, they have really small calf muscles. So you think your calf acts like a natural spoiler, especially in moguls where we're trying to get forwards. Know, have a lot more ankle flex than, you know, in a conventional skier.

所以如果你没有那种天然的减震器，你自然会在靴子里站得更直。

So if you don't have that sort of natural spoiler, you're gonna be naturally much more upright in the boot.

完全正确。所以你提到你对靴子做一些调整，让它们更适合mogul滑雪，可以这么说。你能谈谈你做的那些调整吗？

Totally, yeah. And so what you mentioned, you do some stuff to your boots that sort of mogulifies them a little bit, could say. Yeah, do you want to just talk to those couple of things you do?

是的，在澳大利亚我有两双靴子。它们是同一款靴子，但我有一双旧的和一双新的。为了适应mogul滑雪，我做的只是在后面取出了两个螺栓。我穿的是一款四扣竞速靴，实际上我拿出了后面的两个螺栓。我拿起我室友的靴子，那是一双带Walkmode的徒步靴，所以我没法展示我原本想展示的。但是的，取出后面的两个螺栓会让它变软。你也可以先只取出顶部的螺栓。

Yeah, so in Australia I have two pairs of boots. They're the same boot, but I've got an older pair and a newer pair and so all I've done to mobile fight in my, I'm in a four buckle race boot and I've taken out the two bolts in the back actually. I've got, actually picked up my housemate's boot and it's a touring boot with Walkmate so I can't show what I was hoping. But yeah, you take out the two bolts at the back, softens it. You can always just take out the top bolt first.

你知道，如果你想稍微尝试一下，先把顶部的螺栓拧上去，我在这里放了一些扰流片。我在靴子后跟、内衬和外壳之间放了一个扰流片，就是为了给我更多的前倾角度或脚踝弯曲度。这样让我的靴子更软更自然，前倾更多，这样我就能获得更大的脚踝弯曲度，从而有更大的缓冲范围，而不会后坐。

You know, if you want to try just a little bit take the top bolt up first and I've just put some spoilers here. I put a spoiler you know in the back of my boot in between my liner and my cuff and the shell just to give me more forward lean or ankle flex. So that makes my boot softer and natural, more forward lean so that I can get more ankle flex to get that more range of absorption without getting backseat.

是的，我做的有点不同，但目标相同，都是为了让我的靴子更好地弯曲，所以我保留了竞速靴后面的螺栓，但在顶部包裹并通常扣紧的部分与下部靴壳区域相接的地方，就像我现在用手比划的这样，顶部碰到底部的地方，我会用打磨机磨掉几毫米，这样小腿上部实际上可以再往下滑动一点，然后才硬碰到你的脚背顶部并突然停住，这是我做的一件事。而且我知道你甚至可以在内部，比如踝骨区域，通常那里会有一个V形切口，你可以把它加深一点

Yeah, I do some slightly different things but with the same goal of trying to get my boot more, better flexing, so I leave the bolts in the back of my race boot, but where the top part wraps around and that butt usually buckle up, meets the lower clog area, like showing my hands here, that top part hitting the bottom, I'll take a Dremel and grind a few millimetres away from that so the top calf can actually slide a little further down before it hits hard against the top like of your foot and gets a hard stop, like that's one thing I do. And I know you can even inside on like the ankle bone areas, like there's usually a bit of a V cut out and you can actually deepen that

再深一点，这样

a little further so that

整个外壳实际上会有点变形。甚至我发现，你知道，有趣的是内衬，我发现很多滑雪靴内衬的舌部，在你脚踝弯曲的交界处，这实际上是两个问题，一是它相当硬，二是它实际上会阻挡脚踝，所以也许你可以给我一些反馈，也可以和孩子们一起检查一下，尤其是在儿童靴中。当脚踝弯曲时，它不仅仅是向前铰接，它还会在顶部滑动——所以胫骨会在距骨上向前滑动。因此，如果胫骨即使稍微向前滑动，也必须有一些空间让它能够向前移动。而通常坚硬的内衬舌部会折叠起来，实际上推回关节，并在那个枢轴点阻止你进一步弯曲。

the whole shell actually kind of distorts a little bit. And even I found, you know, interesting thing is liners, I found a lot of tongues in ski boot liners, the intersection where your ankle flexes, that is actually, it's two things, it's quite stiff, but second it actually blocks up the ankle, so it would be something interesting maybe you could give me some feedback on, check it with kids as well, especially in kids boots. When the ankle flexes, it doesn't just hinge forward, it glides on top of like- so the tibia glides forward on the talus bone. And so if the tibia is sliding forward even a little bit, there's got to be some space for it to be able to move forward. And typically the stiff liner tongue folds up and actually pushes back into the joint and stops you right down at that pivot point.

所以，在那个交界处切掉更多材料，我发现这是一个巨大的改进，能给人更好的脚踝灵活性。因为你不需要改变外壳，那样可能会影响包裹性，但内部，你想有时候那里甚至有一厘米的厚度。如果你能在那个交界处把它去掉，是的，这大概是——在我拿到Zippy内衬之前，每一双靴子我都会把那部分切掉。我就会直接去掉它。是的，他们的内衬甚至已经有这种切掉的部分。

And so cutting out more of the material that's across that intersection, like that's a huge one I've found that gives people better ankle flexibility. Because you don't need to change, like the shells kind of, you're out of containment, but inside you think about sometimes even like a centimetre of thickness there. If you can like take it out on that intersection, yeah, it's been about- Like every single boot until I got zippy liners, I would cut that bit out. I would just get rid of that. Yeah, their liners even have this cut out type section.

有些有，但不管怎样，有点跑题了。那是

Some do, but anyway, digress there. That's

只是深入细节了。

just Getting into the weeds here.

是的，但我觉得你说得太对了，就像你每周在每个小组中看到的那样，总有一两个孩子你还没见过，你就会说，嘿，我能检查一下吗，你能弯曲你的雪靴吗，能在靴子里活动脚踝吗？这太重要了。如果做不到这一点，你真的走不远。

Yeah, but I think you're so right, and as you see it with every group, one or two kids every week that you haven't met, you're like, hey, can I check, can you flex your boots, can you flex your ankle on your boots? Such an important thing. You're not really gonna go far if you can't do that.

嗯，再提一下，对于听众来说，我视频里有一双滑雪靴，但你刚才提到的这一点，也是为什么我认为很多竞技滑雪者会选择三扣靴，你知道，其实也有很多人穿四扣靴，但你谈到了这个。没错。在第三和第二个扣带之间，实际上你会碰到塑料部分，从而阻止你弯曲脚踝。我最近才发现的是，虽然靴子的每个尺码都在变大，但外壳的小腿部分每两个尺码才变化一次。

Well, think just to touch back on, for those listening, I've got a ski boot here on the video, but what you were just touching base on, and this is why I think a lot of competition mobile skiers are in a three buckle, you know, lot are actually in a four buckle boot as well, but you were talking about this That's right. Between the third and the second buckle, actually you're hitting the plastic and so stopping you from being able to flex your ankle. Something I only just recently found out is while boots go up in every size, calf part of your shell only goes up it only changes every two sizes.

原来如此，这个我还真不知道，但这就解释了为什么有时候会这样，是的，哇，超级有趣。

There you go that's something I didn't know but that makes a lot of sense as to why like sometimes it's more yeah wow super interesting.

所以我记不清哪个是哪个了，但举个例子，25.5码和26.5码的靴子上部护套是一样的，是的，那么25.5码的靴子，你弯曲时上部小腿可能会碰到，这就是你可以切割塑料的地方，你知道，就在第三个扣带下面的那种塑料带附近。完全正确。我解释得不太好，但是的，这就是我

So I can't remember you know which way is which, but say for example, a twenty five point five and a twenty six point five boot both have the same, your upper cuff, yeah, then you know, your twenty five five, your upper calf might be hitting when you flex and that's where you can cut out plastic, know, like just below on your sort of third buckle kind of plastic strap. Totally. I've explained that really badly, but yeah, that's something I

不，不，真的，真的，就像是上下部分的比例并不是按比例变化的。是的，是的，所以你就会遇到太厚的部分，那个第二第三个扣带的交互点，就像会碰到并卡住。是的，我的意思是，就像你能听到的，本和我都会修改一些东西，有些事你不需要去找靴匠，我觉得这很棒，比如去那里，他们会有一些好主意并能快速完成，但如果你家里有些工具，有些东西你可以自己尝试。

No, no, that's really, really it's like the proportion between the upper and lower doesn't change proportionally. Yeah, yeah, and so then you're get too much thickness, that second third buccal interaction point, like it's going to hit and block up. Yeah, I mean I just think, as you can hear, Ben and I both just modify stuff and some of the things you don't need to go see a boot fair, I think it's great, like go, they'll have some great ideas and can quickly do it, but if you've some tools at home, some of that stuff you can experiment with yourself.

我认为任何在赛季第一个周末教孩子的教练，我觉得在背包里放一堆垫片，几乎任何靴店你都可以去，他们会给你一些。

I think anyone coaching kids for the first weekend of your season, I think having a backpack with a bunch of spoilers in your backpack, almost any boot shop you can go and they can give you a handful.

总比扔进垃圾桶好。

Better than going in the garbage bin.

是的，它们能创造奇迹。我们之前提到过，使用这些东西要小心，因为如果你把某人推得太靠前，可能会产生负面效果，他们会踮起脚尖，感觉像是要从固定器中向前摔出去，所以实际上他们踮起脚尖，通过更用力地前推，你反而能让他们更靠后。是的。所以需要注意这一点，但没错，你绝对可以在午餐时放慢速度，然后在一天结束时再调整回来。

Yeah, and they can work wonders. We were mentioning earlier, you have to be careful with some of these things because if you pitch someone too far forward, it might have a negative effect where they point their toes, they feel like they're gonna fall forward out of their bindings, so they actually point their toes and can, by pushing more forwards you can actually get them more back. Yeah. So something to be aware of, but yeah, definitely you can put a slow in at lunch and take it out at the end of the day.

是的，我知道我最近在读一些关于基于约束的学习的资料，是Sacha Ririk，那位前美国滑雪队教练介绍给我的。总之，在这种教练方法中，他们经常谈论走错方向，比如做错事。所以我认为，即使你把某人推得太靠前，那也是一个巨大的学习经历，就像，哦，我从未有过那种感觉，但至少你有了一个参考点。当你有一副调试不佳的滑雪板或一双不合脚的靴子时，你会有这种感觉，你知道，这能帮助你更牢固地确定你喜欢什么和什么有效，尤其是当你体验过各种情况之后。所以是的，我认为不要害怕，你知道，哦，万一推得太狠怎么办？去发现它。

Yeah, I know I've been doing some reading on constraints based learning, which Sacha Ririk, guy, former US ski team coach, he put me on to, but anyway, a big thing they talk about in that approach to coaching is like going the wrong way, like doing things. So I think even if you do push someone too far forward, there's a huge learning experience in that, that like, oh, I've never felt that before, but at least you have like, you've got a reference point. You you would have felt it when you have a pair of skis that are tuned poorly or you have a pair of boots that are, you know, helps you really solidify what you like and what works even more so when when you you experience the range. So yeah, I think don't be afraid of, you know, oh, what if it pushed them too hard? Find that out.

就去发现它，你知道，然后撤出来。如果效果不好，但这是一个很好的学习机会。

Just find it out, you know, and then pull it out. If it's no good, but it's a great learning opportunity.

如果有效，你知道，那么如果你不使用你的踝关节，你就永远无法滑到高水平。

And if it works, you know, then if you're not using your ankle joint, then you're never gonna ski to a high level.

绝对正确。

Absolutely.

简单的调整，甚至加一个助推带，你知道，用来限制，你知道，那些小腿肌肉非常小的孩子们在靴子上部移动，你知道，因为他们的脚比身体其他部分长得快。他们的脚可能已经是成人尺寸了，但他们的小腿，你知道，还很细小。所以是的，Boost Australia也帮我们解决了类似的问题。

Simple modifications, even getting a booster strap, you know, to limit, you know, the kids with those really small calf muscles moving around inside the upper part of their boot, you know, because their foot grows before the rest of their bodies. Their foot might be an adult size, but their calf is, you know, tiny. So yeah, Boost Australia has helped us with something like that too.

是的。嘿，本，也许还有几个问题。一个是，对于那些你能花更多时间相处的运动员，在澳大利亚，你也会和他们一起进行旱地训练，对吗？

Yep. Hey, maybe a couple more questions, Ben. One would be, with the athletes you get to spend more time with, so in Australia, you do dry land training with them as well, yes?

是的。

Yeah.

是的。你有没有发现，当你进行陆地训练时，比如保持背部挺直吸收冲击并以良好姿势增加动作幅度，你是否觉得这与他们在雪上进步速度的提升有很好的相关性？

Yes. Do you find, do you notice when you work on form dry land, like say, absorbing with a straight back and increasing the range in good form, do you find that as a really good correlation with increasing how fast they get better on snow?

非常明显。我甚至在午餐时间没有专门陆地训练设备时也会这样做。我常因为做静态示范动作、在午餐时教别人怎么做而被取笑。但你想，比如用蹦床。两分钟内你可以在蹦床上弹跳100次，尝试50次展开式星形跳跃。如果去雪上，你可能在地形公园滑一圈，那里可能有五个跳台，而带着八个孩子滑一圈可能需要半小时。

Huge and I and I do this even when I don't have access to specific dry line training at lunchtime. I get teased for doing static demos, showing people how to do things at lunch. But you think, use a trampoline for example. You know, in two minutes, you can bounce, you know, a 100 times on a trampoline and you know, try 50 spread eagle star jumps. If you're gonna go out on snow, you know, you might do a lap through a terrain park, you know, which might have five jumps and a lap through a park might take you, you know, if you're off skiing with eight kids, that's gonna take you maybe half an hour.

所以，在室内练习可以获得无限多的训练时间。你也能更清楚地看到动作细节——如果人们穿着运动服，你能看清发生什么。而穿着滑雪靴滑雪时，那些脚踝关节的细微调整或肌肉发力变化很难被察觉。当一个穿XXXL连帽衫和裤子的14岁青少年站在面前时，观察难度就更大了。因此我认为陆地训练不必苛求——每天最后十分钟的室内训练就足够。

So, you know, you can get infinitely more practice time, you know, doing things inside. You can also see more what's going on, know, if you have people that you know, in joggers and exercise clothes, you know, you can see what's happening. Whereas you know, you're in skis, ski boots, you know, you're talking about minute changes, you know, very precise changes in your ankle joint or you know, switching on muscles, can be really hard to see that. When you've got a 14 year old teenager in a triple XL hoodie and a triple XL pants, you know, it's much harder to see. So yeah, I think, you know, dry land gym training doesn't have to be, you know, it could be ten minutes at the end of your day, your indoor session.

这并不专属于那些能使用蹦床、体操设备和正规健身房的高水平运动员。我们其实在室内也这样做——指导员培训等各类项目都可以。

It doesn't have to be exclusive to those who are in high performance programs with access to trampolines and gymnastics and formal gyms. You can actually we do this indoors, you know, instructor training, you know, all that stuff as well.

没错，说得很好。完全同意。在澳大利亚遇到下雨天进室内休息时，往往反而是最令人难忘的时刻——你会想不如利用这段时间脱掉雪靴，帮学员调整动作，正是我说的非雪上训练。对了，刚才提到雪靴的问题...

Yeah, nice. Yeah, would totally agree with that. Sometimes those days where in Australia when it starts raining and you go in for like a bit of a break, sometimes those are the moments people remember most because you go, well, may as well use this time, take ski boots off, check people, get what I'm talking about, you know, yeah, without being on snow. Yeah, cool. And then the other thing I was going to ask about was we talked about boots.

不是说要让人为了提升蘑菇滑雪技术就专门去买蘑菇雪板，但如果有人说明季想重点提升这项技能，你会推荐哪种雪板？

You know, not telling people to go out if they want to get better at mogul skiing and buy a mogul ski, but are there some things you tend to like or would recommend if someone would say next season they want to work more on their mobile skiing? What sort of skis would you suggest they get?

是的，我认为对于休闲滑雪者来说，比如那些对它特别感兴趣的人，购买一副ID1专用的猫跳滑雪板需要1100美元，外加固定器。一些简单的替代品，我认为人们通常会想到回转滑雪板，因为它比较短。特别是如果我们谈论的是拉链式雪包，回转滑雪板的转弯半径太大了。所以你会被钩住然后横穿山坡。所以最好的是旧的超级大回转滑雪板，不是那种鱼形的大回转板，而是休闲大师级的超级大回转板。

Yeah, I think for your recreational skier, like someone who's super interested in it, to buy an ID1 specific mogul skier is $1,100 plus bindings. Some simple alternatives, I think often people think of a slalom ski because it's short. Especially if we're talking about the zipline bumps, the slalom ski has way too much radius. So you're gonna like hook up and shoot across the hill. So the best is an old giant slalom ski and so not a fish GS, like a recreational master's GS.

你知道，那种二十、二十一米半径的，相当直且窄，所以和猫跳滑雪板很相似。我不确定是否所有滑雪板都可行，但我曾经有一副也是平装的，所以拆掉了竞赛板。所以是的，没有竞赛板的旧超级大回转滑雪板本质上就是猫跳滑雪板。

You know, that twenty, twenty one meter radius, pretty straight and skinny, so pretty similar to a mobile ski. I'm not sure if it's possible on all skis, but I used to have a pair that are mounted flat as well, so it took off a race plate. So yeah, an old GS ski without a race plate is essentially a mogul ski.

是的，太好了。那么如果人们要，比如说，对北美人说话，并且他们想要一款全山地类型的滑雪板，你就说采用那个想法，你知道，他们就像，哦，看，想要脚下有80毫米或更宽的。同样的想法，对吧，就是更直一些。比如，太多的侧切和那种认为短滑雪板在雪包上更容易滑行的想法。你或许想，帮助人们理解为什么实际上不那么短和转弯性强的并不好，而稍微直一些和长一些的会对你更有帮助？

Yeah, sweet. So and if people are going to be, say speaking to North Americans and, you know, they want an all mountainy type ski, you just say take that idea, you know, you know, they're like, oh, look, wanna get 80 plus under foot or something. Same idea, right, just straighter is the idea. Like, too much side cut and this idea that a short ski is gonna be easier to ski in the moguls. Do you wanna maybe, like, help people understand why actually maybe not so short and turny is not good and a little bit straighter and longer is going to help you?

是的，我想澄清一下，我们谈论的更多是针对拉链式猫跳滑雪，你知道，竞赛风格的猫跳滑雪。是的，但理想的是滑得相当 carved 和直接，所以你不是在扭转滑雪板，你知道，在山坡上。所以，你知道，你扭转滑雪板越少，如果你刚开始并且有很多扭转和很多沿线路的枢转，那就是，你知道，长滑雪板会让你觉得棘手的地方。但是是的，当我们达到更高级的水平，你滑一条更直更直接的线路，你知道，更多的是关于滑雪板的窄度。所以你可以非常快地从一边刃切换到另一边刃。

Yeah, guess to clarify we're talking a little bit more, you know, a bit more targeted towards sort of your zipper line mobiles, know, competition style mobiles. Yeah, but the ideal is to ski quite carved and direct, so you're not twisting the ski, you know, the hill. So, you know, the less you twist the ski, know, it's if you're just starting out and you have a lot of twists and a lot of pivot down the course, that's where, you know, a long ski is gonna, you're gonna find tricky. But yeah, as we get to the more advanced level and you're skiing a more straighter direct line, you know, it's more about like the skinniness of the ski. So you can roll from edge to edge really quickly.

你知道，世界杯级别的选手大约每秒滑两到三个雪包。所以，你知道，在一秒钟内进行三次刃的切换，如果你用的是脚下100毫米宽的板，那将会相当棘手。

You know, World Cup kind of the manner roughly skiing two and a half to three bumps a second. So, you know, to edge change from edge to edge to edge three times in a second is gonna be pretty tricky if you ski with a 100 mil underfoot.

那么关于，你能说说为什么你会从竞赛滑雪板上拆下垫高器，让它平装在甲板上滑行吗？你喜欢平装在甲板上的什么感觉？

And what about, can you speak to why you would take the riser off of a race ski and ski it flat on the deck? What do you feel that you like about being flatter on the deck?

我的意思是，对我来说最重要的是重量。滑雪板轻了很多。你知道，我不确定具体数字，我会说，你知道，我的超级大回转滑雪板重量是我其他滑雪板的两倍，部分原因是，你知道，更重的结构，但很多重量来自，你知道，你的竞赛板。所以主要是重量，你知道，再说一次，我们要在一秒钟内做三个转弯。更轻的滑雪板会

I mean, to me the biggest thing is just the weight. The skis weigh a lot lighter. You know, I'm not sure the exact, I'd say, know, my GS skis would be you know, double the weight of my other skis, and part of that is, you know, a heavier construction, but a lot of that comes, you know, from your race plates. So the main thing is weight, you know, again, we're gonna do three turns in a second. A lighter skier is gonna

那样会更容易。而且

be easier that. And

你也更贴近地面，反应更灵敏。

you're also just closer to the ground, you've got more responsiveness.

是的，太酷了，太棒了。嗯，非常感谢你的时间。顺便说一句，大家都叫我本·查皮，所以谢谢你来到播客节目，查皮。如果有人想了解更多关于你的信息，或者他们的孩子有兴趣在澳大利亚的佩里肖尔或惠斯勒参加项目，他们有什么方式可以联系到你吗？

Yeah, cool, awesome. Well, I really appreciate the time. By the way, people call Ben Chappie, so thanks for coming along on the podcast Chappie. If people want to find out more about yourself and maybe their kids are into joining a program in Australia, in Perishore or over in Whistler, is there any way they can get in touch with you?

是的，happychappicoachingoutlook.com，这个名字超级原创，可能是最简单的方式，或者在Instagram上是happyjappy200。

Yeah, happychappicoachingoutlook dot com, super original there is probably the easiest or happyjappy200 on Instagram.

完美，太棒了。嗯，还有什么临别赠言吗？因为我觉得这期播客的部分内容有点针对，你知道，我们俩都经常接触很多人在考取教学级别，并在那里传递一些建议。对于正在听播客的教练们，如果他们想提升滑雪技术，尤其是在猫跳滑雪方面，你有什么最后的建议吗？还有什么想说的吗？

Perfect, awesome. Yeah, any parting words, you know, because I think part of this podcast was directed a bit at, you know, we're both around a lot of people doing their instructing levels and passing on a bit of advice there. Any final bits of advice for people listening that are instructors and moguls is where they want to improve their skiing? Any final words there?

走出去，享受乐趣。听起来，你知道，说起来容易，但我认为在训练中很容易陷入僵局，如果你在为三级或四级考试训练，每次滑行都担心，你知道，考官想看什么或者标准是什么。去周围找一些不是考试用的雪包。你知道，可能是一个齐普洛克练习场，可能是比你平时滑的更平坦的雪包，然后出去尽情玩耍。看看你能有多少变化。

Get out there and have fun with it. It sounds, you know, it's easy to say, I think it's easy to get stuck in a rut training, if you're training for level three, you're in level four where you every run we're worried about, this is what, you know, my examiners want to see or this is what the standard is. Go around, find bumps that aren't your exam bumps. You know, it might be a ziploc playing course, it might be your flatter bumps than normal and get out there and play. You know, see how much variety you can have.

看看你能和山有多少种不同的“舞蹈”，你能让下山的节奏变得多刺激。你知道，我们对它还比较陌生，不一定非要高速下山。只是增加节奏感。你知道，你能做到吗？什么时候能做出那些快速的脚步变化？所以，你知道，你可以让平坦的雪包看起来激动人心，这也会让你自己觉得有趣。

See how many different dances with the mountain you can have and how spicy you know, can you make that tempo down the hill. You know, we're newer to it, you know, that it doesn't have to be high speed down the hill. It's just increasing that tempo. You know, can you be you know, when can you make those quick feet changes? So, you know, you can make easy flat bumps look exciting and that's going to make it fun for you as well.

是的，完全同意。我想补充一点，这来自我本赛季在线指导的一位学生，他非常想提升自己的雪包滑行技术。他提到说，没有什么捷径——你必须在雪包上花更多时间。这听起来显而易见，但我觉得如果人们诚实地问自己，我花了多少时间在平整雪道滑行、短弯、长弯上，很容易在那里积累大量时间。但你可能也看到了，很多人实际上并没有投入同等的时间，甚至差得远，比如滑两趟雪包就说‘哦，我练完了’，而不是像十五趟雪包滑行那样。我认为人们需要按照你建议的那样，投入更多时间，保持运动状态，不要过度纠结技术细节，尝试培养反应能力，预判不同形状的雪包等等等等。

Yeah, totally would agree. Would say, I'm just going add one more thing that resonated from a student I was coaching online this season who's really wanted to improve their bumps and he mentioned he was like, there's nothing- you have to spend more time on the bumps. It's just such an obvious thing, but I think if people are honest with themselves and think about how much time do I spend training groomer style skiing, short turns, long turns, so easy to rack up time there. But you probably see it too, so many people don't actually spend the same amount of hours, not even close to it, like two bump runs and like, oh, I'm done, instead of, you know, like fifteen, you know, mogul runs. Like, I think people just need to spend way more time in it with what you suggested, being athletic, not overthinking it like technique wise, just try and get your reactions and predictability of seeing certain shaped bumps and blah blah blah.

而且，人类的大脑和身体非常擅长自己摸索很多东西。你只需要给它机会。

And like like, the human brain and the body is pretty amazing at kind of figuring out a lot of stuff on its own. You just have to give it a chance.

基于地形的学习。

Terrain based learning.

是的。完全正确。完全正确。所以我的建议是，对自己诚实，开始计算你实际滑了多少趟雪包，如果你出去训练的话，并与你通常滑的平整雪道类滑行次数比较，你应该努力让两者更接近。在这方面，没有什么可以替代实际练习。

Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. So my my piece of advice is be honest with yourself, start counting how many mogul runs you actually do if you go out training and compare with how many like paced type runs you would do and you wanna get closer towards like, how much you would you would spend there. There's no substitute for that for that.

那么最后一个。最后一个要点。有些视频也许我们可以链接到节目说明里。

So Last one. Last takeaway actually. Some videos maybe we can link these in the show notes.

是的。

Yeah.

但是，是的，Ricky Berger的想象力，我们之前提到过。Guy Hensington，来自All Tracks Academy，有一个关于雪包的三部曲系列。我认为特别是第三部分，他讨论了路线选择，并提供了一些非常好的视觉展示，关于不同的路线选项以及为什么这些选项在不同情况下是好的，这可能是我见过的关于这方面最好的视频。最后一位是在Instagram上可以关注的人，Ryuji Karabara。希望我没太念错他的名字。

But, yeah, Ricky Berger's imagination, we we referenced earlier. Guy Hensington has, from All Tracks Academy, has a three part series on bumps. I think particularly part three, he talks about line choice and has some really good visual representations of kind of different line options and and and why those, you know, options are are good in in different situations and and probably the best kind of video on that that I've seen. And then last one is a guy just to follow on Instagram is Ryuji Karabara. I don't butcher that too much.

我会

I'll

放上去。他太不可思议了。他的风格真的很酷。我会把他的Instagram账号放进去。我在日本和他有过一面之缘，他就是我之前提到的那个建造mogul雪道的人，他去建造，他建了一个mogul雪道。

put it. He's incredible. He's got really cool style. I'll put his Instagram handle in. I met him very briefly in Japan, he's the one I was saying when I was talking about the mogul tank, he goes and builds, He builds he's got this mogul tank he builds.

他建造的就像一条绿道拉链式线路、一条绿蓝道拉链式线路和一条蓝道线路，全都从一条缆车下来。人们可以一路滑下来，这是我见过的最令人惊叹的mogul设置，适合那些想提高四线式mogul滑雪技术的人。所以，是的，我要补充说，那个人绝对值得关注。

He builds like a green run zipper line course, a like greeny blue zipper line course and a blue run course and they're all off one lift. People can go through and the most amazing like mogul setup I think I've ever seen for just people wanting to get better at four line style mogul skiing. So yeah, I would back up and say that guy's definitely worth following.

他既是前竞技mogul滑雪运动员，又是技术示范者，那么这两种不同的学科是如何融合的呢？

He's an ex competitive mobile skier as well as technical demonstrator, so I guess how does that merge between the two different the two different disciplines?

简单说个故事。你知道不是这个赛季，而是上个赛季，他是排名第一的技术mogul滑雪选手，就是在日本的技术比赛中。他赢了。

So you quick story. Do you know not this season, but last season, he was the number one technical bump skier, like, the technical Japanese competitions. He won it.

哦，太厉害了。我之前不知道这个。

Oh, sick. I did not know that.

是的。前年是他第一次参加，因为他结束了竞技巡回赛，决定转向技术滑雪。参加了比赛，了解了裁判的评分标准，在接下来的冬天进行了训练，调整了自己的风格，然后，你知道，大家都在关注——至少上个赛季是这样，我不知道今年mogul比赛谁赢了，但他在mogul上真的很棒。

Yeah. And so the year before was his first time entering it because he'd finished doing the competitive, like, circuit and decided to do technical skiing. Did it, found out what the judges were looking for, trained the following winter, adapted his style, and then, you know, everyone's now look or last season anyway, I don't know who won it Mogul's this year, but he's awesome in the bumps.

酷。谢谢汤姆，聊得很愉快，伙计。随时都喜欢聊聊Mogul's，祝你玩得开心。

Cool. Thanks Tom, great chatting mate. Love talking about Mogul's anytime and have fun getting in there then.

非常感谢，回头见，查皮。

Thanks very much, see you Chappy.