第546集 - 十大重度策略桌游

欢迎来到四游戏九。这是一场欢迎所有人参与的竞赛。但当然，没人知道轮到谁了。这位是克里斯。

Welcome to four games nine. It's a contest where everyone is welcome at the table. But of course, no one knows whose turn it is. This is Chris.

嘿，还有

Hey, and

这位是安东尼。这是第546期节目，重量级欧式桌游前十名（四磅以上）。我们要感谢所有Patreon赞助人帮助我们解锁全新一期节目。嘿，朋友们，我们回来了，而且我们带回了最重量级的、我们最爱的游戏。

this is Anthony. And this is episode 546, top 10 euros weighing four plus. We like to thank all our Patreon backers for helping us unlock a brand new episode. Hey, friends. We are back, and we're so back that we got the heaviest games that we love.

当然，安东尼，我们所说的重量级游戏一如既往是欧式桌游。

And, of course, the heavy games that we're talking about, Anthony, are as always euros.

那是我们的专长所在，那是我们的最爱。我们架子上那些最庞大、最厚重、最烧脑、最耗时的游戏。所以我们要讨论的是前十佳。

That's our that's our wheelhouse. That's our those are our favorites. The biggest, heaviest, most crunchiest, time consuming games on our shelves. So we're we're talking about the 10 best.

是啊。这就像是我们的星座符号，像是我们的生肖，像是我们的IMDb清单——你是什么类型？你是完整的吗？

Yeah. It would be our horoscope sign. It would be our Chinese zodiac. It would be our IMD DA Like, list, what are you? Are you a full?

你是春天型吗？就像，你是什么样的人？我们就是重度欧式玩家。哦，真有意思，我之前没听说过这种说法。

Are you a spring? Like, what kind of person are you? Like, we're a heavy euro. Like, oh, that's so interesting. I haven't heard about that.

不不，那可是我们的特色。我们是重度欧洲游戏玩家，这就是我们的风格，这就是我们的行事方式，这就是我们的标签。

Like, no, no, that's our thing. We're we're very heavy Euro people. That's that's the thing. That's what that's how we roll. That's what we're about.

是啊。星座符号就像一个人把脸埋在桌子上。

Yeah. The zodiac symbol is like a person with head face down on the table.

是因为游戏的重量，还是桌上所有米宝和方块产生的引力？对吧。没错没错，我们当年就是沉迷重度德式游戏。

Is it from the the weight of the games or the the gravitational force of the all the meeples and cubes on the table? Right. Yeah. Yeah. We were all about the heavy euros.

很久以前安东尼做过一期节目，其实是第177期《十大重度德式游戏》，之后我们再没回顾过这个话题。

And way back, Anthony, a long time ago, b g a did an episode. It was actually episode 177, the top 10 heavy euros, and we have not returned to it since.

对。我们会先回顾旧榜单，再更新新榜单，但那个可是2018年的老黄历了。

No. Yeah. We have we'll run through the old list and then update you on the new list, but it is from 2018.

啊，年轻的观众们。

Ah, the young viewers.

是啊，都七年多前的事了。那可是疫情前，太久远了。哇哦。

Yeah. Yeah. So over seven years ago. Pre COVID, it was so long ago. Wow.

那个年代最庞大最厚重的游戏。

The biggest heaviest games from back in that day.

没错。这再次说明，欧洲游戏尤其是那些厚重的作品最了不起的地方在于，由于它们分量十足且在多方面具有标志性，一旦进入某个领域，就能长期占据一席之地。不像派对游戏——派对游戏很棒，但昙花一现。轻量级游戏和填充游戏也很棒，但它们同样转瞬即逝。

Yeah. That was again, that was a and that's the really great thing about Euros, especially the heavy ones, is, like, because they're so heavy and because they're so iconic in so many different ways, once they get into a space, they kind of own a space for a very long time. It's not like party games. Party games are great, but they are fly by nights. And light games, filler games are also great, but they kind of, again, fly by nights.

欧洲游戏一旦立足便经久不衰。这就是引力效应，各位。如果你和我们一样热爱欧洲游戏——希望确实如此——这些就是我们想向大家推荐的顶级厚重欧式游戏，是那些应该收藏的、能改变我们所处时空结构的作品，至少在我们这个维度的桌游纸板宇宙中是如此。我们会重点讨论这些，因为它们正是我们挚爱的游戏，能带来绝佳体验，无论何时何地都能让桌面熠熠生辉。

Euro games, once they're there, they're there. So gravitational pull, folks. And, again, if you like euros as much as we do, and I hope you do, these are the top heaviest euros that we want to let you all know about, the ones you should have, the ones that alter the time and space fabric in which we all live, at least in the tabletop cardboard space universe in which we live in this dimension. And we're gonna talk a lot about those because, again, these are the games that we love. We get some excellent playtime and are gonna be great at the table no matter where you are.

安东尼，既然如此，如果我想去一个能体验所有这些精彩厚重的策略游戏，以及其他同类趣味游戏的地方，该去哪里才能看到、玩到并讨论这些游戏呢？

Now, Anthony, that being said, if I wanted to go to a place that had all of these amazing heavy crunchy gyros and many other fun kind of playing games and things of that nature, where might want to go to be able to see, to play, and to talk about these games and many other things?

我觉得你得先睡一觉，因为这听起来像在做梦。什么？对，不开玩笑。

I think you'd have to go to sleep because it sounds like a dream. What? Yeah. No. Legit.

但这是真的。下周就实现了。下周。什么？等等。

It's real. Next week. Next week. What? Wait.

我知道。下周。不。

I know. Next week. No.

太早了。我还没

It's too early. I'm not

准备好。博吉姆学术会议，BGA会议将在斯特朗国家游戏博物馆举行，那里有各种各样的游戏和许多其他游戏。

ready. Borgium Academics Conference, BGA Conference is gonna be at the Strong National Museum of Play where they have all those games and a bunch of other games.

各种各样的游戏。

All those games.

两万、三万或四万。对，我忘了具体数字了。总之很多，成千上万的游戏。

20 or 30 or 40,000. Yeah. I forgot how many it was. It's a lot. Thousands of games.

数以万计的游戏。

Tens of thousands of games.

还有玩具，因为它不仅仅是一个游戏博物馆，对吧？简直太棒了。而且，

Plus the toys, because it is the just a museum of play. Right? It's it's amazing. And,

我们还有电子游戏呢。

we're And video go too.

还有电子游戏。天啊，你怎么能在那里生活？我在那里睡觉。去那里看看所有酷炫的东西，然后睡觉时梦到它们。

And video games. Oh, man. How do you live there? I sleep there. Go there, see all the cool stuff, and then sleep and dream about that.

哦，

Oh,

非常棒。是的。

very nice. Yeah.

是的。我们将去那里参加VGA会议。如果你在罗切斯特地区，你仍然可以注册。你仍然可以来。你还可以在十月份和我们一起度过两天。

Yeah. So we're gonna be there for a VGA conference. If you are in the Rochester area, you can still register. You can still come. You can still hang out with us for two days, October.

如果你在远方，并且有时间和资源跳上飞机，也请这样做。是的。我们会在那里。我们非常兴奋地分享大家一直在做的研究，人们带来的演示，以及所有关于桌游在广阔世界中应用的研究、讨论和工作。

If you are far away and and have the time and the resources to hop on a plane, do that too. Yes. We'll be there. And and we're very excited to share all the research that people have been doing, the demos that people are bringing as well, and just all the amazing things that people are studying, discussing, working through in in the use of tabletop games in the in the wide wide world.

是的。重型欧式游戏的引力正把你拉到纽约罗切斯特参加这个会议。小心点。

Yes. The heavy game euro gravity is pulling you to Rochester, New York to attend this conference. Look out.

这些游戏的引力，它是巨大的。

The the gravity on these games, it's huge.

我是说，你想想看。对吧？那里有成千上万的游戏。

I mean, you think about it. Right? Tens of thousands of games there.

是啊。没错。

Yeah. Yeah.

那可是相当重的分量，老兄。

That's a lot of weight, man.

确实如此。真的，物理意义上也很沉重。

That's true. Yeah. Literally, physically quite heavy.

没错。希望他们在会议前能落实好所有的结构需求。那可不会是个轻松的时刻。再次强调，我们非常期待在那里见到你，因为我们希望能有机会和你一起玩游戏、深入交流，并向你介绍那些正在创造非凡成就的杰出学者们。

That's right. Hopefully, have all their, structural needs in place before the conference. Yeah. Not to be a great time. And, again, we'd love to see you there because we'd love to be able to have an opportunity to play games with you, have some great conversations, and to introduce you to wonderful, miraculous, amazing scholars that are doing tremendous things.

记得关注我们的后续消息。我们期待与你相见。更多细节即将公布，每周我们都会透露些新内容。会议结束后还会有完整复盘。

So follow-up with us. We'd love to see you there. And there's gonna be more details to come. So, yeah, every week, we'll have a little bit more. And then after the conference, we'll have a complete debrief.

我们会告诉你所有精彩动态，特别是未来你可以参与的趣味活动。好了安东尼，话不多说，让我们进入本期节目吧，老伙计，开始预览环节吧。哦对了安东尼，还有很多酷炫内容呢。

We'll let you know about all the great cool stuff that's happening, especially all the fun stuff that you can participate on in the upcoming future. Yeah. Well, Anthony, with that said, let's get on to the episode here, my friend, and let's roll for preview. Oh. So, Anthony, there's a lot of cool stuff.

我是说，我们经常讨论众筹，现在热度确实有所下降。由于某些原因，出现了明显的下滑。

I mean, we we typically talk about crowdfunding a lot, and it's it's gone down a bit. There's been a significant dip because of things.

是啊。全球局势那些事。那些我已经懒得再提的事。嗯哼。嗯哼。

Yeah. Things in the world. Things that am tired of talking about. Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

在这个播客之外。但我们就统称为'那些事'吧。总之现在开销很大。

Outside of this podcast. But let's just say it's Things. It's expensive.

没错。都是因为那些事。

Yeah. Because of things.

把物资运送到像我们这样的地方。

Send things to places like here where we are.

对。还记得我们以前总为新西兰和澳大利亚感到难过吗？是啊。那都是过去的事了。

Yes. Remember when we used to feel really bad for, like, New Zealand and Australia? Yeah. Those were the days.

是啊。至少他们清楚成本是多少。我们这边根本说不准。

Yeah. I know. At at least they know what their cost is gonna be. Ours is like, I don't know.

没错。掷个20面骰子，加上你的修正值，看看会发生什么。

That's right. Roll d 20, add your modifiers, see what happens.

是啊。上周我收到的《光辉》RPG战役套装让我超满足，我当时就想，哇哦，居然送到了。嘿，他们居然没给我寄账单。太棒了。

Yeah. My my fulfillment for the Stormlight RPG, campaign showed up this last week, and I was like, oh, wow. It showed up. Hey, they didn't send me a bill. This is great.

我又惊又喜。本来都准备好要付50美元的关税了，结果居然不用。

I was very surprised and excited. I was really waiting for, like, the $50 tariff fee on that. But, hey, Like, it didn't

说不定他们会直接上门，搞个货到付款。对吧？他们会说'想要《光辉》典藏版吗？'你刚说'当然是我的'，他们就突然'等等老兄'。

if they'll come to your your door, and they'll be, like, cash on delivery. Right. They'll be like, hey, you want the Stormlight King? Like, yeah, it's mine. Like, wait a minute, buddy.

这算怎么回事？

What's going on here?

因为政府刚扣了50美元，这笔钱得由你来付。

Well, the government just took $50, so you gotta pay this up.

啊，这也太不厚道了。

Aw. That's not cool.

不，但这事没发生。我确实知道今年晚些时候还有其他游戏要额外付费，这很烦人。不过等它们出现时我们再抱怨吧。

No. But it didn't happen. I do have other games coming later this year that I know I have to pay extra on, which is annoying. But we'll we'll complain about that later when they show up.

但在开始之前，让我们先给观众介绍一下你拿到的东西，听起来相当酷。

But before we get into anything, let's tell tell tell tell the audience a little bit about what you got, because that sounds pretty cool.

哦，对。不，我是说，我还没时间看内容，但装帧非常精美。制作质量惊人，总共有三本书。

Oh, yeah. No. I mean, I haven't read any of it yet, because time, but it's very pretty. It's the the quality of production is amazing. It's so there's three books.

《寰宇RPG·光辉志手册》。不错。还有《寰宇RPG·光辉志世界指南》，布雷迪。我觉得这就像一本带世界观设定的艺术书，其实我最期待这本。

The Cosmere RPG Stormlight Handbook. Nice. And then we also have the Cosmere RPG Stormlight World Guide. Brady. Which is, I think, just like an art book with some world building stuff, which I'm actually most excited about.

因为我买这个的主要原因就是——我真的很喜欢

Because it just that's the reason I got this, is I really love

这些书。

the books.

而《石行者》只是战役指南的第一部。就像D&D那种战役设定集，还附带几个短篇剧本、地图、可拆卸令牌。我记得有25个——哦20个可玩微缩模型，还有一堆超精致的骰子。

And then Stonewalkers is just the first of the campaign guides. So like, you get a campaign guide or something for like D and D, it's like that. Also comes with several different short one shots, a map, punch out tokens. There's, I think, 25 miniatures Oh, 20 to play with, and then a whole bunch of really pretty dice.

非常不错。那些微缩模型怎么样了？

Very nice. How are the miniatures?

微缩模型很棒。我之前就支持过。在制作这款RPG之前，Brotherwise曾为《Stormlight》发起过纯微缩模型的众筹。那时我就意识到他们肯定在开发RPG——否则做这些模型干嘛呢？

Miniatures are good. I I previously backed. So before they made the RPG, Brotherwise did a campaign of just miniatures for Stormlight. And it was that's when I knew, like, they must be making an RPG. Why would they do these otherwise?

所以我从第一次众筹拿到了一大堆模型，都是有名有姓的角色。这批新模型更多是敌人、NPC之类你会遇到的游戏元素。

So I have a bunch of those from the first campaign, which is like all the named characters. This batch is more like enemies and NPCs and stuff that you'd run into.

明白了。

Gotcha.

其实你也可以支持之前的旧款，不过我已经有了。所以现在我手头有大约100多个这个世界的微缩模型。哇，看来我真得找个时间玩这个游戏了，毕竟连道具都齐全到这种程度了。

And then you could have also backed the old stuff, I already had it. So I now have, like, a 100 something miniatures for this world. Wow. So I really do have to play the game at some point because I have literally everything I could possibly need to do it. And the yeah.

质量很扎实，非常出色。

They're solid. They're very good.

我知道有个博物馆可以玩这个游戏。

I know a museum you can play that game at.

没错。我只需要在接下来的九天里读完这本书。

Right. I just have to read the book in the next nine days.

要是你能有一段去博物馆的延长火车旅程就好了。

If only you had a an extended train ride up to that museum.

确实如此。你会说，我们得聊聊这个。而我则会说，我得先读完这本书。

That is true. You're gonna be like, we gotta talk about this thing. I'm like, I gotta read this book.

老兄，我得读完这本书。而且这一切都是基于他的书，对吧？

I gotta read this book, man. And it's all based on his books. Right?

是的。它基于《光辉之书》系列，目前出版了五本，未来计划共十本。这些都是他写的那种大部头作品。

It is. Yeah. It's based on the Stormlight Archive, which is a series of five books currently out of a future 10 books. And these are, like, the big door stoppers of the books he writes.

嗯。

Mhmm.

他已经写了大约三十多本书，但这些每本都有一千二到一千五百页左右。宏大的史诗级奇幻巨著。里面有大量的世界观构建，有很多可以发挥的内容，这一点在书中显而易见。其中一个独特之处是，书中有光辉骑士团，他们分为几个不同的章节。

He's written, like, 30 something books, but these ones are, like, each, like, somewhere between twelve hundred and fifteen hundred pages each. Big epic sprawling fantasy. So it's there's a lot of world building there. There's a lot to build on, and it's it's evident in there. And one of the things that makes it unique is you have, like, these knights radiant and there are these several different chapters of them.

这样设计让职业选择变得简单。比如你想扮演光辉骑士？从十种不同类型中选一个就行，很棒，这很酷。

So that just makes for easy class based stuff. Like, you wanna play knight radiant? Pick one of the 10 different kinds, you know. Wonderful. So it's cool.

我很兴奋。我已经开始翻阅这本书了，说实话，这比我平时买RPG书后的阅读量大多了。通常我买来就放着，它们很漂亮，然后就在书架上吃灰。

I'm excited. I've I've already been skimming through it, which is, I will tell you, already more than I typically do when I buy an RPG book. So I buy them. They're pretty. They go on my shelf.

实际上我从来没翻开过它们。

I never actually open them.

但这本会被真正玩起来。

This one will get played.

没错，这本我打算好好玩。我已经开始研究规则了，这个系统看起来非常棒。

Yeah. This one this one, I plan on playing. I've already started looking through it. The system seems very cool.

非常好，太棒了。真令人兴奋，我喜欢这个主意。

Very nice. Excellent. That's exciting. I like that idea. Yeah.

安东尼，我们还有些其他游戏预告要聊，先掷个骰子看看接下来是什么。首先是《仙女座边缘》，这是Cardboard Alchemy推出的扩展包《创世纪》。至少对我来说，安东尼，这个游戏真是...虽然可能也不算出人意料。

Well, Anthony, we also got some other previews to talk about, so we're gonna roll some dice and see what we get here. First up is a game that you and I both like very much so. This is Andromeda's Edge, and this is the expansion Genesis from Cardboard Alchemy. This is this has been for me, Anthony, at the very least. Surprisingly I I guess maybe not surprising.

不，我要说令人惊讶的是。令人惊讶的是，这确实是个惊喜，因为就像《长老之居》，我非常喜欢。嗯。当《仙女座边缘》宣布时，我想，哦，这可能会像《盖亚计划》那样，是个更好的版本。

No. I'm gonna say surprisingly. Surprisingly, it's been a surprise because, like, Dwellings for Eldervale, I liked a lot. Mhmm. And when Andromeda's Edge was announced, I was like, oh, this could be like Gaia Project, where it's like a better version.

事实证明，它确实是个更好的版本。但与《盖亚计划》不同，《仙女座边缘》没有失去《长老之居》中的那种奇幻感。《长老之居》是那种经典的奇幻世界，而《仙女座边缘》则是太空背景。但我感觉它在色彩、你的行动、建造的东西以及轨道上都有很多风味和钻石般的质感。你会感觉自己真的置身太空，这些巨大的生物仿佛在攻击你。

And like, turns out, it's a better version. But unlike Gaia's Project, Andromeda's Edge doesn't lose any of the kind of whimsy from Dwellings. And Dwellings is, you know, your your classic fantasy kind of world, and then Andromeda's Edge is space. But I feel like there's so much flavor and diamondism to, like, the colors and the actions you take and the things you build and the tracks. And, like, you do feel like you're in space, and you do feel like these giant creatures are kind of attacking you.

这一切都非常酷。不过还是没有声音，这点我还是有点失望。我确实喜欢那些声音，但我想在太空中，没人能听到你发出怪物的声音，对吧？也许就是这样。

And, like, it's all very cool. There's still no sounds, so I'm kind of still bummed by that. I did like the sounds, but I guess in space, no one can hear you make a monster sound. Right? Maybe that's what it is.

我们只能自己制造怪物的声音，我觉得这样更有趣。

I just we have to make our own monster sounds, which I think is more fun.

我是说，《星球大战》就是这么做的。对吧？没有人——不，不——

I mean, Star Wars does it. Right? No one no no

是的。

one Yeah.

是的。没人会忽视太空的真空。

Yeah. No one exor ignores the the vacuum of space.

所以你把你的太空龙放倒，发出那种你在所有外太空生物那里都能听到的、像是霸王龙被勒住的尖叫声，一切就都搞定了。

So You your space dragon down, you make that strangled t rex scream sound that you hear from every, you know, creature in outer space, and it's all good.

他们本应该让那些音效库适用于外星太空生物的。

They should have made those sound bases, like, work for the alien space creatures.

是啊，那样会很酷。可能是不同的公司做的吧。

Yeah. That'd be cool. Different company, I guess.

对，对。嗯，是啊。是啊。我想这是个问题。

Yeah. Yeah. Well yeah. Yeah. I guess it's a problem.

我是说，你知道，以前有Kemet和Cyclades的时候，他们还出过联动包。不过，你懂的，是同一个设计师。对吧？

I mean, you know, back in the day when you had Kemet and he had Cyclades, and then they had that crossover pack. So but, you know, same designer. Right?

没错。机制是有了。只是我们得不到同样酷炫的东西，我猜。

Yeah. Yeah. Get the mechanics. We just we don't get the same cool stuff, I guess.

是啊，确实。不过我们玩这个玩了很多次，也很享受。实际上，我记得最近有公告说它会在某个时候登陆Board Game Arena平台。

Yeah. It's true. Well, we've played this a lot. We've enjoyed it a lot. And actually, I think even recently, there was announcement that it will show up on Board Game Arena at some point.

对此感到兴奋。

Excited for that.

是啊。我是说，他们已经在Board Game Arena上讨论TI4好几年了。所以我不确定，但总有一天会实现的吧。

Yeah. So, I mean, they've also been talking about TI four on Board Game Arena for a couple of years now at this point. So I don't know. Eventually? Eventually.

没错。这确实是个很棒的工人放置与版图构建游戏。虽然我不确定它是否算重度策略——毕竟我们讨论的是硬核游戏网站——它还没达到那些游戏的复杂度。

Yeah. But this has been a very good worker placement tableau builder. And I don't know if it's necessarily heavy. I mean, we're talking about heavy game sites. It's not as heavy as those games.

但《创世纪》扩展包，根据他们的宣传，会加入更多策略元素而不增加复杂度。通常扩展包都会让游戏更复杂，但这里是个例外。安东尼，我们俩都众筹了这个对吧？

But the Genesis expansion, again, based on how what they're claiming here, offers more strategy kind of elements to it, but without additional complexity. Because usually, if you add an expansion, more complexity, like, a given. So what we're looking at here, Anthony and this is something you and I both backed, right, on here? Yeah.

对。

Yep.

你会获得三个新派系：预知混种（造型和概念都很酷），他们的特殊升级——比如展示的飞船——涉及掷骰子机制，骰子能触发各种效果，具体玩法还有待观察。

So you get three new factions. You get the precog hybrids, which is a really cool look and a really cool idea. And primarily, it seems like their special upgrades here, they show one with the ship, is you're gonna be rolling dice, and the dice will be able to do things. We'll see. We'll see how that plays out.

目前信息有限。还有个'森林低语者'派系很有意思，他们致力于修复宇宙腐败、恢复星系生态，是那种很酷的嬉皮士派系。他们的飞船也有独特机制，能通过行星实现特殊移动方式。

There's not a lot of information here. Then there's the wood whisperers. And this is interesting because they're about repairing, corruption in the universe, restoring the galaxy. So, the very cool hippie kind of faction here. And their ships also have really unique features where, they really operate uniquely with the planets, being able to pick out different moves and things.

最后是火星变形器。别跟变形金刚机器人搞混了，这看起来像是地形改造变形器。所以，他们又在那些特定区域布置了自己独特的小型栖息地。而且，还会有更多信息。除此之外，还有两个新的掠夺者。

And then finally, the Martian transformers. Not to be confused with the transformers robots, this looks like, terraforming transformers. So, again, they're putting down their own little special, you know, habitat in those particular areas. And, there's gonna be more information. Beyond that, there is two new raiders.

这些是立方体。有个立方体。没错。有个立方体。我的天啊。

These That's are a cube. There's a cube. Yes. There's a cube. Oh my god.

有人《星际迷航：下一代》看太多了。就是个立方体。字面意义上的立方体。甚至到了他们会说‘立方体，抵抗是徒劳的’这种程度。

Someone watch way too much, Star Trek the next generation. It's a cube. It's literally a cube. It to the point where they go, the cube, it's futile to resist.

是啊。

Yeah.

所以这是个透明立方体，里面有个绿色小立方体，非常可爱。还是个3D微缩模型。太棒了。然后我猜这有原因的，宇宙青蛙安东尼。

So it's a clear cube with a little green cube on the inside, which is really cute. And it's a three d miniature. So, awesome. And then I guess there's a reason for this, the cosmic frog, Anthony.

你玩过那个游戏吗？

Have have you played that game?

我没玩过那个游戏，但这就是它的出处。是来自另一个游戏的。对吧？我想是

I have not played that game, but that's this is where it's from. It's from the other game. Right? I think it's

提到那个。是的。那款游戏确实是个迷幻、荒诞、夸张、惊艳又难寻的佳作。没错。他们在这里致敬它很酷。

a reference to that. Yeah. And that game is it it's a trippy, ridiculous, over the top, amazing, hard to find game. Yes. So it's cool that they're referencing it here.

是啊。美术风格看起来非常相似

Yeah. The artwork looks very similar

嗯。

Mhmm.

这类元素。看起来宇宙蛙正在吞噬行星，它来自另一个维度。所以保持了那种法律上可区分的致敬感。还会加入新的发展卡牌，它们拥有不同能力——这点我很喜欢，因为通常建造发展卡效果是固定的。这种可选择的机制很棒，我觉得玩家应该会有选择机会。

Kind of thing here. So it looks like the cosmic frog is eating planets and it's from another dimension. So staying in that legally distinct kind of homage kind of area. There'll also be new development cards, which they also have different abilities, which I really like because generally when you just build a development, it's like it does the same thing no matter when you build it. I love the idea of that kind of and I think there's also I think you're gonna have an opportunity to choose, which is great.

对，我非常喜欢这点。此外还会增加更多事件卡。玩《仙女座边缘》时首先要问的就是'你们用哪个事件卡组？'基础事件组就是单纯计分。

Yeah. I like that a lot. And then there's gonna be more events. I think this is one of the things that you should know when you play Andromeda's Edge is the first thing you should ask is what event deck are you playing with? The base event deck is just you're gonna score points.

获得一定分数。而其他卡组会引发疯狂的大爆炸事件，直接影响游戏策略。这些新卡组似乎是折中方案——既带来增益效果，又会稍微改变局势。

You're gonna score some some amounts of points. And then there's other ones that will actually do crazy kind of blow up things. So that's gonna kind of affect your play. These seem to be variations and offer kind of different things. So instead of score points or blow up, this seems like to be like a middle ground where it does something positive, but also changes things a little bit.

安东尼，这才是我最喜欢的细节部分。他们新增了所谓'区域'系统，包含圣坛设计。看游戏版图就知道，那些六边形格子的设计。

And, Anthony, this is actually my favorite little part here. They're offering what they call, regions. They have their shrines. So if you look at the actual board itself, you have, I don't know, the six sided kind of hexagon. Right.

那些板块就是放在那里的。然后如果你看游戏板本身，你会发现，哦，那些小角落区域是空的，没有任何东西放进去。只是扩展出来的空间，那里什么都不会发生。现在，有些板块可以放进那些扩展的小空间里。

That's where the tiles go. And then if you look at the board itself, you're like, oh, there's these little corner areas that nothing goes in there. Just it's the expanded space that's nothing happens. Now, there's tiles that go in those little expanded spaces.

是啊，这真的很酷。对，这很简单，因为它们就像是，哦，这只是图形设计的副作用。没错。

Yeah. That's very cool. Yeah. It's such an easy thing because they're just like, oh, this is just a side effect of the graphic design. Yeah.

然后我们在找扩展内容。我就想，哦，让我们填满那里并做点什么。是啊，这真的很酷。

And then we're looking for expansion stuff. And I'm like, oh, let's fill that in and do something Yeah. With It's very cool.

还有一些新板块可以做很多疯狂又有趣的事情，这很棒。因为我觉得基础游戏只带了一小部分扩展板块，可能是一两个或三个。请原谅我，我不记得确切数字了，但它没有提供很多板块变化的可能性。所以这个提供了更多选择。

There's also some new tiles that do a bunch of crazy kind of fun stuff, which is nice. Because I think the base game only came with like a little small expansion kind of tiles, which one or two or three. Forgive me. I don't remember the exact number, but it didn't offer you a lot of variation to the tiles coming out. So this offers you a lot more thing.

然后，还有一些科技卡，它们很棒，非常有趣。对，所以这个目前在GameFound上。当你听到这个的时候，可能只剩下几分钟了，或者刚刚结束，我们很抱歉。

And then, some more tech cards, which are great. Those are a lot of fun. And, yeah. So this is currently up on GameFound. By the time you listen to this, this may either only have a couple of minutes or has just ended and we're sorry.

因为我们一直很忙。安东尼发布了播客。

Because we have been busy. Anthony posts the podcast.

百分之百确定，当安东尼发布这个播客的时候，他要么站在你这边，要么反对你。这取决于你们。但你们可能已经知道这个了，因为它是《仙女座边缘》，而且它很棒。现在他们有一个叫《创世纪》的扩展，就在Gamefound上。所以，如果你喜欢《仙女座边缘》，请去看看。

A 100% by the time Anthony posts this podcast, he's either with you or against you. That's on you people. But you probably already knew about this because it's Andromeda's Edge, and it's awesome. And now they have an expansion called Genesis, and it's on Gamefound. So, please check it out if you love In Drama's Edge.

我不认为这个扩展包会改变你对《戏剧边缘》的看法。如果出于某种原因你不喜欢它，虽然有点奇怪，但我也能理解。这个扩展包就是那种典型的扩展——我们讨论过很多次了——它基本上就是更多相同的内容。是的，这个也会在零售渠道发售。

I don't think this is an expansion that's going to change your mind about In Drama's Edge. If for some reason you did not like it, weird, but also I get it, I guess. And the expansion just it's one of those expansions, and we talk a lot about expansions, it's more of the same. Yeah. This will also come out retail.

我想他们唯一宣传不会零售的就是我们之前谈到的小模型，那个立方体和青蛙。所以你可能会得到某种剪纸版或其他替代品。

I think the only thing that they're kind of touting that is not gonna be retail is those little miniatures we talked about, which is the cube and the frog. So you'll probably get some sort of cutout or some other kind of variation for that.

我忘了是立体纸板还是平面卡片了。就是零售版那种。全都是硬纸板做的。没有实体组件。对。

I forgot if it's a standee or just a flat thing. Like, like, it's the retail version. It is all cardboard. There is no Yeah. Piece.

所以它会和你现有的版本保持一致。

So it it'll it'll match what you have.

没错。如果你是个务实派，零售版对你来说就完美了。但如果你像我一样支持了所有众筹内容，再看到零售版时，你会惊呼：天啊！我都不知道这游戏能这么精简。

Yes. Yeah. So if you're a realtor person, there's a retail kind of version for you, which is perfect. And if you if you are a person who backed everything like I did, and then you see the retail version, you're like, oh my goodness. I didn't realize the game could be so small.

是啊，就是个普通尺寸的盒子。太不可思议了。

I know. It's just a it's a normal sized box. It's crazy.

简直便携到可以轻松带出门，布置和收拾都只需要正常时间。天哪，我是不是选错了？支持大尺寸版本可能是个错误决定。确实。

Just like, that's actually portable, and you could set that up in a relatively normal amount of time and break it down in a normally relative amount of time. Jeez. Like, did I make a mistake? I might have made a mistake here by backing the larger version. Yeah.

是啊。这个盒子上写着‘我永远不会把它带出家门’。

Yeah. This box said I'm never gonna take out of my house.

哦，不。这千真万确。安东尼，既然我掷骰子运气好到爆，我其实可以提前透露另一个骰子内容。这是《恐龙岛：满电重启》。你可能不知道，《恐龙岛》回归了，而且比以往任何时候都更好。

Oh, no. It's very true. Anthony, since I rolled so incredibly well, I actually get to talk about another roll for preview here. This is Dinosaur Island fully charged. You may not know this, but Dinosaur Island is back and better than ever.

磁性恐龙模型能稳稳固定，还有氯丁橡胶垫、新游戏内容和重新平衡的规则——这点让我有点担心，因为之前的规则明明没问题，但现在我得深入研究下了。《恐龙岛》我们聊过很多次。我玩过，喜欢到连扩展包《完全液态》出水系恐龙时，我直接全款支持了，因为实在太爱了。这是我最喜欢带去桌游之夜的游戏之一，它的阶段指引系统会明确告诉你每个阶段该做什么。

Magnetic dinos that stay in place, neoprene mats, new game content, and rebalance rules, which kinda concerns me because it didn't have a problem with the rules before, but now I need to look at this, kinda more deeply. So Dinosaur Island. We've talked about this a lot. I played it, liked it so much that I did I I got I think when they came out with the expansion, the water kind of dinosaurs, Totally Liquid, I backed everything because I really liked it that much. This is one of my favorite games to bring to game night because the way the game is set up, it literally tells you what to do in each phase.

所以它确实是绝佳的入门游戏，老玩家想尝鲜也很适合。比如你摆出板块：现在我们要掷骰子获取DNA，接着购买恐龙基因图谱，然后制造恐龙放进公园——整个流程逻辑清晰，超级带感。

So it it really is a great kind of, like, gateway game, like people who are gamers already, but really want to play something new, this is great. Because if, like, you put the tiles out, like, now we're rolling for DNA. Now we're buying, you know, dinosaur genome plans. And now we are, you know, making the dinosaurs to put them in the park, and it it makes a lot of sense. And it's really cool.

视觉效果非常八十年代，充满霓虹元素。

It's very eighties ish look with a lot of neon.

对，八十年代末到九十年代初的风格。感觉特别复古。

Yeah. Eighties, early nineties even. Like, it's it's very late.

八十年代末九十年代初。没错。

Late eighties, early nineties. Yeah.

是啊。就像是，好吧。就像《侏罗纪公园》，但完全抛开《侏罗纪公园》的整体美学。只想想那部电影上映的年代。

Yeah. It's a they're like, okay. It's like Jurassic Park, but forget the entire aesthetic of Jurassic Park. Just think about the time when that movie came out.

对，没错。我常告诉别人，作为一个经历过八十年代的人，八十年代其实是从1984年左右才开始，然后一直延续到九十年代初。

Yes. Right. I try to tell people, as someone who lived through the eighties, the eighties really didn't start until, like, 1984 and then ran into, like, the early nineties.

可能到1993年。对，对。真的，八十年代的终结是涅槃乐队带来的。

Maybe 1993. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was really, the death of the '9 the the eighties was Nirvana.

是啊。垃圾摇滚。当垃圾摇滚出现时，所有人都在说，知道吗？那些鲜艳的荧光色太多了，咱们改穿格子衫吧。

Yeah. The grunge. When grunge came out, everyone was like, you know what? Too many bright fluorescent colors. Let's do plaid.

没错。然后你就觉得，我们和色彩说再见了。是的。所以这股潮流转向得非常彻底。因为，嗯，我小时候也穿过一阵子非常鲜艳的霓虹色衣服，那时候还挺有趣的。

Yeah. And you're like, we're done with colors. Yeah. So the pendulum swung really hard. So because, yeah, I was a kid who had very neon bright clothes for a moment, and it was fun.

然后突然间，到了九十年代中期，一切都变得非常压抑

And then everything got really depressed All of a sudden, in the in the mid to when you let

让西雅图决定你的审美？是的。你的审美。对啊。那里整天都在下雨。

Seattle determine your Your aesthetic? Yes. Your aesthetic. Yeah. It rains all the time.

我们穿着深色衣服。

We wear dark clothing.

所以，安东尼，我要让你大开眼界了。坐下坐下。我们一直在讨论那些重度游戏及其硬核玩法带来的磁吸般的吸引力。

So, Anthony, I'm about to blow your mind here. Sit sit down. We we've been talking about heavy games and the magnetic pull of their crunchiness.

你知道吗，老兄？对。没错。

You know what, buddy? Yeah. Right.

这里的恐龙？是啊。有磁性的。

The dinosaurs here? Yeah. Magnetic.

什么？磁性。好吧。第一反应，非常酷。第二反应，为什么？

What? Magnetic. Okay. So first reaction, very cool. Second reaction, why?

我不知道。不。好吧。这真是个

I don't know. No. Okay. This is such a

奇怪的宣传活动，因为他们上一次宣传是在2018年。对。是为了扩展包。

weird campaign because their last campaign was in 2018 Yes. For the expansion.

这是个不错的扩展。

Which is a good expansion.

是啊，确实是个很棒的扩展。但七年后他们却说，让我们回到原点，除了磁铁什么都不加。嗯，好吧。

Yeah. It's a great expansion. But seven years later, they're like, let's go back to that and not add anything except magnets. Yeah. Okay.

他们就是这么干的。明白了。

That's what they're doing. Got it.

公平地说，还有氯丁橡胶垫。

Well, to be fair, neoprene mats.

好吧。

Okay.

这其实也不算... 有意思的是我记得收到通知，因为——就像我说的——我支持过前作。他们宣传说这是《恐龙岛》完全充电版，我心想：好啊，有什么新内容？

Which is also not really a it's funny because I remember I got the notifications because I I backed I've you know, as I said, I backed the previous game. And so they they say, like, oh, they're they're this is Dinosaur Island fully charged. And I'm like, okay. Cool. What's new in it?

结果发现只是恐龙和所有米宝都变成磁吸的。我努力回忆原版游戏是否存在组件容易被碰掉或移动的问题——很多游戏尤其是德式桌游常有这毛病。就我逐渐模糊的记忆而言，这游戏从没出现过这种情况。

And it's like, the dinosaurs and all the meeples and things are magnetic. And I'm like, oh. And I'm trying to remember back if the game itself ran into any particular issue where you were knocking off or moving things? Because that happens with a lot of games, especially euro games. To my to my memory, which I know is fading, but to my memory, that never occurred with this game.

因为肉丸和恐龙的模型真的很厚实。它们不会因为形状问题而倒下，很多游戏也有这种情况，比如那些可动人偶就是站不稳。但它们是磁吸的，能牢牢吸在小棋盘上不掉下来，这原理我不太明白。当然不是说这是坏事。

Because the meatballs and the dinosaurs are really thick. Like, they're not problematically, like, shaped where they were falling over because a lot of games do that too where they have, like Yeah. Animeables, and they just don't stand up correctly. So the fact that they're magnetic and they magnetize themselves to the little board pieces and they don't fall off, I don't understand it. I'm not saying it's a bad thing.

我想我只是没搞懂其中的原理。嗯，就这样。

I think I just don't understand it. So, yeah.

是啊。我觉得这个扩展包有点迷惑。他们说什么'纯游戏升级套件'，好像单买升级内容就行似的——才不是呢。

Yeah. I found the campaign a little confusing. Well, because, like, they're like, oh, there's a gameplay only upgrade kit. Like, oh, you can just get the upgrades. No.

那只是极少数实际游戏更新内容。比如新增两个执行官、十个专家、七个新目标、两个小模块。这听起来根本不值40美元，完全不像扩展包。想要其他所有内容？你得买150美元的完整包。

That's just the very small number of, like, actual gameplay updates they've made. It's like, you get two new executives and 10 new specialists and seven new objectives and two new modules and they're small little modules. I'm like, that's not doesn't even sound like a $40 $40. Doesn't sound like an expansion at all. If you want all the other stuff, you have to buy the full package, which is a $150.

如果你已经拥有原版游戏？哦恭喜，现在升级成磁吸版了。旧版可以扔了大概。

And then if you already own the game, oh, well, we've upgraded it. It's magnetic now. Throw the old one away, I guess.

嗯。我猜他们不得不这么做，毕竟游戏里有那么多恐龙要全部做成磁吸的。

Yeah. I don't I don't I guess they have to do it that way because there's so many dinosaurs in the game to make them all magnetic.

对。而且显然棋盘里现在也内置金属了。还有那些氯丁橡胶垫...

Yeah. And there's obviously, there's metal in the boards now too. So And then the neoprene mats,

没错。再说一次，我一直认为这款游戏的质量非常出色。游戏板的质量确实很好，非常精良。是的。而且我猜那些氯丁橡胶垫应该都能放进盒子里。

which Right. Again, I I the quality of this game was always very good. The boards were really nice nice quality. Yeah. And I'm assuming the neoprene mats will all fit into the box.

我也这么认为。

I'm assuming.

是的。所以这没问题。但重申一下，我并没有遇到任何游戏部件的问题，让我觉得有必要以150美元的价格支持这个项目。

Yeah. So that's okay. But again, I don't I don't I I have not experienced any problem with any part of this game that would necessitate me for for backing this at the $150 level.

是啊。我有很多游戏确实需要磁铁改进，但这款游戏不在我考虑范围内。

Yeah. I have a lot of games that could benefit from magnets. This is not one of them that I can think of.

没错。目前他们已筹到20万美元，看来确实有人需要。虽然人数不多，但应该也足够了。

Yeah. So currently, they're they're at $200,000. So people I guess people do need it. So good good on them. I mean, it's not a lot of people, but it's I guess it's enough.

大约有一千人支持了那个价位，嗯...其他人选择的是40美元档。我不确定自己会不会选40美元档。我想支持40美元的升级包，但不确定是否真的需要。

It's it's about a thousand people who are backing at that level, and then Mhmm. The rest are backing the $40. I don't know. I don't think I'm gonna back the 40. I wanna back the $40 upgrade, but I don't know if I need to.

我需要再深入研究下。不过和《仙女座边缘》不同，这个众筹项目还有更多时间考虑，截止日期是2025年10月10日周五。所以你有更充裕的决策时间。话说回来，如果你有预算，想要一款很棒的游戏，又喜欢磁铁配件，我会推荐入手——除非你能买到原版，毕竟我认为原版也毫不逊色。

I'll have to look a little deeper into this. But this campaign, unlike the Andromeda's Edge one, does have some more time to it. This will back on Friday, 10/10/2025. So you do have some more time to look at. That being said, if you do have the resources and you do want an awesome game and you like magnets, I would I would recommend picking this up unless you can pick up the base unless you can pick up the original version, which, again, I don't think you're losing anything out.

我唯一要说的就是——目前我还不知道，因为我还没仔细查看他们是否有任何具体的规则变动，因为我从不觉得游戏在哪个方面存在不平衡。

The only thing I will say, which I don't know at this point because I haven't looked through to see if they have any specific rule changes because I I never felt the game was unbalanced in any particular way.

嗯。

Mhmm.

加入扩展包后会有点不稳定，因为有些扩展包...这款游戏最精妙的设计之一在于它有短时长、中等时长和长时长版本，区别仅在于分数设定和其他细节。所以某些扩展包在短局游戏中效果不佳。这算是理所当然的，或多或少吧。

It is a little wonky with the expansions because some of the expansions only one of the brilliant things about the game is you have a short version, a medium version, a long version, which is just how many points and this, that, the others. So some of the expansions just don't work well if the game is short. That's not you know, that's kind of a given, more or less.

是啊。

Yeah.

不过如果你想玩《恐龙岛》主题，它依然是款很棒的游戏。他们后来出了《恐龙世界》，但我觉得不如《恐龙岛》。对了，说到这里，我们应该提一下刚才在讨论《戏剧边缘：创世纪》。

But, yeah. If you wanna do the Dinosaur Island thing, it's still a great game. They've they've done Dinosaur World, which is not as good as Dinosaur Island, in my opinion. Yeah. So, although, at that, I think we should mention we we were just talking about a drama's edge Genesis.

你们刚才是不是在讨论巨额资金的事？你们看到那边的骰塔和那个橡胶垫了吗？

Did you did you talking about a lot of money. Did you take a look at the dice tower there and the neoprene mat?

看到了，那个骰塔简直疯狂。

Yeah. That dice tower is nuts.

这个多少钱？你还记得吗？不记得了。我我印象中是150美元。让我让我快速回顾一下。

How much is it? Do you remember? No. It I I believe it's a $150. Let me let me take a quick look back.

哦，天哪。

Oh, jeez.

因为我当时觉得，哦，酷。Opalis骰子塔。看起来像是这里的某个开发项目。嗯。这是我不太喜欢GameFound的一点，他们有点难以把所有东西都直观展示出来。

Because I was like, oh, cool. Opalis Dice Tower. And it looks like one of the the developments here. Mhmm. And this is one thing I don't love about GameFound is a little difficult to kind of they kind of pack they don't have all their stuff out out front.

是的。看起来是个很棒的骰子塔。我肯定会想拥有它。抱歉稍等。我正在这里滚动浏览，因为我已经支持了，现在它问你是否想更改选项？

Yeah. It looks like an amazing dice tower. Like, I would certainly like to own it. And excuse me here. So I'm kinda scrolling through here because I already backed it, and now it's like, do you wanna change your thing?

其实不太想。

Like, not really.

不想要任何东西。

Don't want any stuff.

好的。找到了。Andromeda's Edge史诗级配件，就是方尖碑和垫子，零售价150美元，活动价129美元。

Okay. Here we go. So the Andromeda's Edge Epic accessory, which is the obelisk and matte, is $150 retail, 129 with the campaign.

好的。

Okay.

所以预购氯丁橡胶哑光版和骰塔总共是129美元。

So it's a $129 for the pre neoprene matte and the dice tower.

这太贵了。

That's a lot.

这太贵了。

That's a lot.

这太贵了。

That's a lot.

是啊。而且我也不需要那个。

Yeah. I it also does not need that.

不。不。天啊。

No. No. God.

不。尤其是当你和很多玩家一起玩时，如果你了解游戏设置和棋盘布局，这真的会把玩家逼到极限，因为地图上会发生很多事情，还有很多板块、卡牌之类的东西，你需要构建自己的桌面布局。所以我更倾向于每个玩家有自己的小型骰塔，而不是一个大家都要伸手去够的巨大骰塔。对吧。再说一次，那个氯丁橡胶垫很棒，但这两样东西都有点贵。

No. Especially if you're playing with a lot of players, there's if you know the game setup, the board setup, it really pushes the players to the edge because the map is really a lot of things happen on the map, and then there's a lot of tiles and cards and things like that, and you're building tableaus out. So I I would almost like smaller versions of the dice tower for each player versus one giant one that everyone has to reach over and try to grab. Right. And again, the neoprene mat, awesome, but also both those things is kind of expensive.

对。而且它们是分开发货的。所以我不知道这对你来说是否合适。是啊，就是这样。

Right. And they ship separately. So I don't know I don't know how that works out for you. Yeah. That's the thing.

它们很漂亮。是啊，我很想拥有它们，但确实，太贵了。对吧，这就是现实。

They're beautiful. Yeah. I would love to have them, but also, yeah, expensive. Right. Those are things, man.

它们虽然贵，但也很棒。而且它们还是磁性的，原因我们无法解释。好吧，这就是我们预览环节的内容。现在进入我们的评测环节。安东尼，你这周玩了什么？

And they're expensive, but they're also awesome. And they're magnetic for reasons that we cannot explain. Well, that's our role for previews. Now on to our role for review. Anthony, what you play this week?

好的。我有机会试玩了《联合》系列的新核心盒——《DC超级英雄联盟：蝙蝠侠缄默》。哦，这是《DC超级英雄联盟》的零售版，我想这是他们现在使用的全称。它包含了一个完整的战役，希望能在未来几个月内发货给支持者。

Alright. So I got a chance to try out the new core box for the United series, DC Superheroes United, Batman Hush. Oh. This is the retail edition of DC Superheroes United, which I guess is the full name they're using now. And it like, there's a whole campaign that will hopefully ship to backers sometime in the next few months.

但是，你知道，Spin Master和CMON对其他系列也是这样做的，比如核心盒会提前发布并在零售商处销售。我在亚马逊上买的。他们现在还有货。这让人们有机会尝试新的机制，看看新的模型和所有那些酷炫的东西。有时候，核心盒是Kickstarter众筹的一部分。

But, you know, Spin Master and CMON have done this for all the others, where like, a core box will come out early and be available from retailers. I got mine on Amazon. Like, they still have them. And it gives people a chance to try out the new mechanics and see the new miniatures and all that cool stuff. Sometimes, the core box is something that is coming with the Kickstarter.

有时候不是。我不确定这个是不是其中之一。我其实觉得不是。我觉得它是独立的，就是很特别。

Sometimes, it's not. I don't I don't actually remember if this is one of them. I actually think it's not. I think it's separate. It's just like unique.

但它与那些套装中的英雄角色有所交叉。所以我们拭目以待结果如何。不过这个套装包含四位英雄，这大概是我首先要指出的。我记得通常应该有六到七位英雄，所以这次在英雄数量上略显精简。其中有个双模式超人英雄，就像紫色人偶之一，被毒藤女控制的那种。

But it has some crossover with the heroes that you're gonna have in those sets. So we'll we'll see what comes of it. But this one comes with four heroes, which is, I guess, my first point of of order. I I'm pretty sure they usually came with six or seven in So the it's it's a little lighter on the hero front. There is a dual mode hero with Superman, like one of the purple figures, the poison ivy controlled.

另外还有两个反派角色。我们得到了以'Hush'命名的盒子角色，还有小丑与哈莉的搭档组合。这里引入了一些新机制让游戏更有趣。我想先退一步，如果你没玩过这个游戏的话，简单介绍一下机制。漫威联合（Marvel United）是大家都能接触到的版本，现在DC联合（DC United）也是同类型合作游戏，玩家扮演该宇宙中的英雄。

And then there are two additional villains. We got Hush, the name of the box, and then Joker and Harley come together. So there are a few new mechanics here, which make the game interesting. And I guess, I'll back up a little bit and just do a very brief description of of the mechanics if you haven't played the game before. Mar Marvel United, which is the one everybody has access to, and now DC United, is a cooperative game in which you play one of the heroes in that universe.

如果你看过漫威系列，已经有三套独立套装——漫威主宇宙、X战警和多元宇宙。英雄总数大概有300个左右吧？

So if you look at the Marvel stuff, there's been three distinct sets, like Marvel, X Men, and then multiverse. So there are something like 300. It's like 300 heroes. Right?

没错，这个数字太夸张了

Yes. It's a crazy number

英雄数量确实庞大。其中很多是众筹专属，但也有不少不是。比如即便不参与众筹，你也能获得约100个英雄角色，可选内容非常丰富。

of heroes. It's so many. And a lot of those are are crowdfunding exclusive, but a lot of them are not. Like, think if you don't do any crowdfunding, you could still get like a 100 heroes. It's like a lot of stuff out there.

确实很多，多到你根本玩不过来。

It is a lot. It's more than you'll ever play.

对。每个英雄有自己的卡组，规模不大。你可以出牌行动。如果有游戏垫，还能围成大圆圈进行游戏。

Right. So you get your own deck. It's not very big. And you're going to play cards. If you have the mat, you can play in like a big circle.

否则，你就这样按顺序出牌。基本上就是你先出一张牌，其他人依次出牌，然后反派就会行动。对吧？每个反派在这些不同情境中都是独特的。他们有各种不同的剧情设定。

Otherwise, you play it in like just a line. But basically, you play a card, someone else plays a card, someone else plays a card, and then the villain activates. Right? And the villain is unique in all these different situations. They have these different scenarios.

这取决于他们想达成什么目标。有时他们会有爪牙，有时会有你必须完成的额外任务。而你要努力完成他们的任务——游戏里有三种基本任务：拯救平民、击败爪牙（或暴徒），以及清除这些威胁卡，也就是分布在棋盘中央不同位置的卡牌。完成这些后，你就能痛揍反派，搞定收工。

And it depends on what they're trying to accomplish. Sometimes they have henchmen. Sometimes they have additional objectives you have to complete. And you're you're trying to complete their missions, which there's like three basic missions in the game, which is rescuing civilians, defeating henchmen, and then, or defeating thugs, and then clearing out these threat cards, which are these different locations around the center of the board. And once you do that, you can beat up the villain, voila.

如果你的牌用光了，你就输了。如果反派没牌了，你也输。如果你挂了，你就

If you run out of cards, you lose. If the villain runs out of cards, you lose. If you die, you

输了。哇哦。

lose. Wow.

对吧？大家一起输。很棒吧？这是个合作游戏，规则我们都懂。

Right? Everybody loses. It's great. It's it's a co op. We all know the rules.

对吧？

Right?

没错。所以这是个有趣的游戏，节奏快，大概三十分钟一局，很适合全家一起玩。

Yeah. So it's a fun game. It's quick. It's like thirty minutes. It's easy to play with family.

你有成百上千、成千上万种角色组合的可能性。单人模式体验极佳。每个扩展包都附带一套全新的机制。就像原版基础游戏本身已经很棒，但相对简单直白。我刚才说的这些，就是全部内容了。

You have hundreds and hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands of possible combinations of characters. Plays really good solo. And each set kind of comes with its own set of new mechanics. And so like the the original base game, very good, but, you know, pretty straightforward. Everything I just said, that's it.

对吧？但随着时间推移，他们加入了新元素。不同的玩法、不同的角色登场方式。比如特殊的起始卡牌，能帮助优化不同角色的卡牌。还有任务系统、搭档角色等各种新增内容。

Right? But over time, they've added in new things. Different ways to play, different ways to bring characters out. They have like special starting cards, cards that like help optimize the different characters. We have missions and sidekicks and all sorts of stuff that come in.

在DC扩展包里就有几个新玩意儿。我最喜欢的是装备卡——可能因为我还没体验全部模式——嗯。每个角色都配有专属的小型装备卡，不过数量不足以让你摆满整个区域。

So in the DC set, there's a few new things. The one that I like the most, and I think just because I haven't played with all the modes yet, it's just the equipment cards. Mhmm. So equipment cards, each character has their own little equipment cards that they come with. They don't all come with enough for you to have like a tableau of them.

所以还有套通用装备卡组，虽然趣味性稍逊，但总有人要扮演蝙蝠侠对吧？蝙蝠侠有五张可选装备，完全够用。比如我第一次玩时就选了蝙蝠侠和罗宾组合。

So there's also a deck of generic ones, which not as fun, but someone's gonna be Batman. Right? And Batman has five to choose from, so you're fine. Right? So like, the first time I played, I was Batman and Robin.

蝙蝠侠有五张，罗宾有三张。实际只需三张就够用了。嗯。

Batman has five. Robin has three. You only need three. You're good. Mhmm.

使用装备卡需要从牌库移除相应卡牌，这意味着牌库变小生命值也会降低。这样会稍微缩短游戏时长。但每张装备卡都有特殊效果——

And so the equipment cards, you you do have to remove a card from your deck to have them. If you take them in, you have a smaller deck of cards, which means you have less life. Right? Shortens the game a little bit. But each equipment card is some kind of thing.

比如有的提供免费移动，有的允许免费攻击。还有能吸引平民或暴徒靠近的效果，这很重要因为你得接近他们，又不想浪费行动点。使用后会进入疲惫状态，但通过其他效果可以重置。只要策略得当，就能物尽其用。

Like, one maybe is a free movement, one is a free punch. One is like drawing civilians or or thugs towards yourself, which is important because you need to get to them. You don't wanna waste actions doing it. And they once you've used them, they exhaust, but there's other effects that you unexhaust them. So if you do it smart, you can really get a lot out of them.

而且每个角色都是独一无二的。所以我认为这为角色增添了一些不对称性，因为有些角色，你知道，这始终是《漫威联合》的一大槽点，很多角色都非常雷同。比如，这个角色会打出一记星形拳击。酷。但除了卡面上的星形拳击图案，这个角色并没有什么独特之处。

And they are unique per character. So I think it adds a little bit more asymmetry to the characters because some of the characters, you know, this has always been one of the big complaints about Marvel United is that a lot of the characters are very samey. They, you know, like, hey, this one does a punch in a star. Cool. Like, there's nothing, like, unique about that character from that card with a punch in the star except the artwork.

对吧？

Right?

确实。

Sure.

那套卡组里确实有几张独特的卡牌，但大多数都非常相似。所以在这方面有更多灵活性挺不错的。现在新增了一个机制，你可以同时对抗两个反派。比如小丑和哈莉，你可以同时与他们作战。你得在他们在版图上移动时设法应对。

There are a handful of cards in that deck that maybe are unique, but a lot of them are just very same y. So having more flexibility there is pretty cool. There's the now you have a new mechanic where you can fight two villains at once. So the Joker and Harley, you can fight against them at the same time. You have to kinda, like, manage them as they kind of move around the board.

小丑会不断移动。如果你从哈莉所在位置开始攻击，就无法击中她。所以你得跳进去攻击再跳出来。她很灵活。是的。

Joker's constantly moving. Harley can't be hit if you start in her location. So you have to, like, jump in and attack and jump out. She's athletic. Yeah.

她具备

She's got a

极高的敏捷性。

lot of dexterity.

对，对，对。她很强悍。然后你看这里只有两个角色，但我觉得众筹盒里可能有六个这样的双模式角色。

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She's tough. And then the so this is, like, you have just the two here, but I think one of the crowdfunding boxes has like six of these, like dual mode characters.

所以没错。还有反派模式可以玩，有人可以扮演反派——虽然我知道这是之前套装就有的设定，但在这里也很有趣。你可以玩1v1对战，也能合作模式。

So Yeah. There's the villain mode where you can play. Someone can play as the villain, which I know is from a previous set, but it's it's fun here as well. You play one versus one. You could play co op.

游戏有很多种玩法。我觉得还行吧。我个人不太喜欢蝙蝠侠故事里的《缄默》剧情。它特别有种...二月初那种硬核感，这家伙满脸绷带——

There's a lot of different ways to play the game. I thought it was fine. I'm not a huge fan of Hush as a story in Batman lore. It's very, like, it's got that early February vibe of this is hardcore. This this guy, he's he's got bandages.

那些绷带怎么回事？他强得离谱。

What's going on with those bandages? He's so strong.

他就是这么硬核。

He's just so hardcore.

太硬核了。虽然没到95年那种疯狂程度，但也差不多了。这不是最好的故事线，但因为涉及缄默，你就能对战蝙蝠侠的所有反派——这正是缄默剧情的一部分，集结所有反派让你打。还能打被毒藤女控制的超人，挺酷的。

He's so hardcore. It's not quite like 95 crazy, but it's it's up there. So it's, you know, it's not the best storyline. But, you know, because it's Hush, that means you get to fight against all of these the rogue's gallery for Batman, because that's part of the Hush storyline is that gathers up all these bad guys, you have to fight them all. You also have poison ivy infected Superman, which is kinda cool.

所以你得对战超人。另外我觉得小丑和哈莉那场战斗很有趣，但也特别难。这些战斗整体都挺难的。有时候我拿出扩展包就想着'砰砰砰'乱打一通。

So you have to fight Superman. And then I I did find the Joker and Harley fight to be fun, but also really hard. So Sure. And I will say these are all pretty hard. Like, I I sometimes I put out one of the, like, the expansion boxes and I'm like, bam bam bam.

我大概一小时就能打败所有反派。感觉就是，嗯，挺简单的。这些家伙可难对付多了，尤其是核心盒里的。第一次尝试时一个都没打赢。

I'd beat all the all the villains in like an hour. I'm like, cool. That was not hard at all. These were much tougher, especially for a core box. Did not beat them all, any of them on the first try.

所以，是啊，我也不确定。不过挺好的。联合游戏很棒，而且我喜欢蝙蝠侠。我一直都是DC粉，所以这套游戏我期待很久了。

So so yeah, I don't know. It's good. It's, you know, United games are great and I like Batman. Like, I've I've always been a DC guy. So I I've been excited for this set for a while.

我对这些角色了如指掌。很期待游戏发货后能玩到剩余内容，希望CMON变卖资产的钱够他们把游戏送到我手上。

I know all these characters very well. And I'm looking forward to playing all the rest of it when it ships and hoping that all the stuff that Cmon sold off gives them enough cash to get that game to me.

那倒不错。

So That'd be nice.

是啊，希望如此。不过至少现在有这个解馋。目前大家反响似乎还不错，走着瞧吧。

Yeah. I hope so. But at least I have this to tide me over. So, And people seem to be liking it so far. Like, we'll see.

但看到最多的抱怨就是主题稍欠吸引力，还有些关于反派平衡性的小问题。不过总体挺有趣的。

But the biggest complaints I'm seeing are just the theme is a little less interesting and the little a little weirdness, on some of the balance with the the villains. But good stuff. It's fun.

没错。我超期待玩装备卡，因为DC宇宙的装备太经典了。漫威宇宙也出过装备扩展，但我到现在还没玩过——虽然早就买了。

Yeah. I'm really excited to play with the equipment cards because I think equipment in the DC universe, I mean, is so iconic. They had equipment that came out in the Marvel Universe, which I still have not played yet. I have it. Still not played with it yet.

但我觉得你必须，我认为你必须移除那张双重特殊卡

But I think you had to I think you had to take out the double special

是啊。从你的卡组里

Yeah. Card out of your

才能使用它。但没有什么能比得上，再说一次，像蝙蝠镖那样的东西。蝙蝠镖是个标志。也许美国队长的盾牌也算？但差不多就这些了。

to be able to play it. But there's nothing as, again, like a Batarang. The Batarang is a thing. Maybe Captain America's shield, maybe? But that's about it.

嗯，我想是吧。对。

Yeah. I guess. Yeah.

所以我真的很高兴这现在成为了基础套装的核心部分，因为我觉得这非常独特。这也让我想起，我们之前私下聊过一点，就像DC卡牌构筑游戏那样，那真是个奇怪的——我们以前管它叫薯片游戏。它就是

So I I I'm really glad that that's that's a staple now in in the kind of the base set because I think that's really unique. And it also reminds me, we talked about this a little bit off mic, of the DC Deck Builder game where that was a really it's a weird we used to call it like a potato chip game. It was just

像是啊。

like Yeah.

非常轻松有趣又古怪，但话说回来，最有趣的部分始终是你扮演蝙蝠侠，同时拥有他所有的装备。你有蝙蝠车，你得探索蝙蝠洞之类的场景。所以主题感非常强。我认为这正是你对这类游戏的期待——想要体验那些瞬间和元素，尤其是在玩合作游戏的时候。

Really light and fun and odd and like but again, the really fun part of that was always you had Batman, but then you had all of his equipment. You had the Batmobile. You had to look the bat locations and stuff like that. So it was very thematic. And I think that's really what you want out of these kind of games where you want to have those kind of moments and things, especially when you're playing a co op game.

你希望角色扮演时能真正代入角色。我很喜欢这个理念，因为《漫威联合》从一开始就给人主题鲜明的感觉，但玩法又像是打一拳、踢一脚、救个人，循环往复。就像，哇，现在我有了装备。

You wanna feel like the character is the character. And I I like that idea because Marvel United has always at least initially felt like it was thematic, but also, like, punch, kick, save a guy, punch, kick, save a guy. Like Yeah. Like, oh, cool. Now I have equipment.

我的装备有特殊功能。太棒了，这正是我想要的。

My equipment does a special thing. Like, excellent. That's really what I want.

对，没错。而且它让玩法有些变化。比如在对抗缄默反派的战斗中，你要用一套卡牌替换三个任务之一，必须逐个击破威胁。就像，好吧，你得先干掉杀手鳄。

Right. Yeah. And it mixes it up a little. Like, the hush villain fight, for example, you replace one of the three missions with this deck of cards where you have to go around and beat up each of the threats. So, like, okay, you have to take out Killer Croc first.

接着处理泥脸，再去对付毒藤女。必须按这个顺序来，是的。之后才能清场并攻击缄默，这个机制很酷。虽然我知道其他游戏也有类似设计，嗯...

Now, take care of Clayface. Now, go take care of Poison Ivy. And you have to do them in that order Yes. Before you're allowed to clear everything else out and then attack Hush, which that's a cool mechanic. And I know there's been other ones that do similar things, but Mhmm.

但这让游戏更具主题性，更有趣。让你感觉是在推进剧情，而不是像玩瘟疫游戏那样单纯压制数字防止爆发。

It's just it's making it more thematic. It's making it more interesting. And then it feels like you're doing a thing and not just being like, alright, we're doing the pandemic thing and keeping down the numbers so it doesn't get overflow and

是啊，它给了你更多叙事空间...对...让你能沉浸其中。这在合作游戏里很棒，而且我们现在有玩不完的内容了。

Yeah. It it gives you a little bit more of a of a narrative Yeah. To kind of play through. That's really great when you play a co op game and we have enough stuff to play forever now.

天啊。

Oh, my gosh.

你把那上面的东西都备份了吗？

Did you did you back all the things on that?

我不...我觉得应该吧。嗯，我记得后来升级过。我当时就想，这可是蝙蝠侠啊。

I don't I think so. Yeah. I think I went back and I upgraded at some point. I was just, like, it's Batman.

我们再也见不到安东尼了。

We're never gonna see Anthony again.

话虽这么说，但我手头大部分游戏都还没玩呢。所以...

Well, you say that, but I haven't played most of what I have. So

另外那个蝙蝠侠游戏叫什么来着？就是有大量微缩模型的那个？

What about the what was the other Batman game that had, like, a ton of stuff with all the miniatures?

哦，《哥谭市编年史》啊。我众筹了第一版，后来就没再参与。结果那批货遭遇水灾，你知道的，被淹了...所以现在全没了。

Oh, the Gotham City Chronicles. Yeah. I backed the first set of that. I didn't back anything else after that, and then it got, like, waterlogged. It, like, had a, you know, a flooded So it's it's it's gone now.

那个给过我们

That gave us

但你卖掉了那些微缩模型，对吧？

a But you sold the miniatures, right?

大概吧。对。我记得说过，那些可以沾水，没关系的。但所有纸板都被毁了。

Somewhere. Yeah. I think I said, like, those can get wet. It's fine. But all the cardboard got destroyed.

那太遗憾了。是啊。不过那些微缩模型太棒了。那才是关键所在。

That's too bad. Yeah. But the miniatures were awesome on that. That that was that was the key takeaway on that.

它们被收在某个角落的箱子里，我有蝙蝠牛。架子上还放着蝙蝠车和霸王龙。这两样也是片场带回来的。顺便说，那个大霸王龙模型，巨大无比。

They're in a back somewhere in a box, I have Bat Cow. On my shelf, have the Batmobile and the the T Rex. Those both came on set as well. The big T Rex, by the way. It's enormous.

太棒了。

Excellent.

哇，安东尼，这真的太酷了。很高兴看到这些。想找人一起玩这个。肯定可以——我想你可以把这个和其他联名款混着玩，对吧？

Well, very, very cool, Anthony. Really glad to see that. Wanna get that played. That's definitely and gonna I I guess I guess you can mix this with with the other Uniteds. Right?

没理由不这么做。

There's no reason not.

是啊。玩下来看，完全没有理由不这么做。对我来说，我不确定是否在机制上有什么限制。但我好像看到有人说过，可以混搭。为什么不呢？

Yeah. Playing through it, there's there's zero reason why not. To to me, I don't know if I don't know if they're, like, mechanically somewhere there is. But I feel like I've read people say, yeah, mix and match. Why not?

所以

So

对。我是说，它们大体上都差不多。我觉得没问题。

Yeah. I mean, they're all similar as far as I mean, yeah. I don't see a problem.

卡组看起来是一样的。英雄卡组也大同小异。每个角色都有自己的特色对吧？里面有新卡牌，比如嗯。

The deck seems the same. The hero deck seem more or less the same. Like, every they each have their own, like, quirks to them. Right? There's new cards in there you can, like Mhmm.

特殊能力。如果在时间线上，你可以翻牌激活。比如蝙蝠侠有个能力，可以查看反派的主谋计划牌堆。

Special abilities. If they're in the timeline, you can flip them over to activate them. Like, Batman has a thing where you can look through the villain, the master plan deck.

不错。我喜欢这个。准备充分型角色。

Nice. I like that. Prep prep guy.

对。对。而且你可以选择何时使用。不是出牌时就必须用。你可以先出牌，等时机到了再发动

Yeah. Yeah. And you can choose when to use it. It's not when you play the card. You can play the card and wait to use it and do it

当你需要的时候。它是

when you need it. It's

这很酷。

it's cool stuff.

太棒了。好的，安东尼。现在进入我们的专题回顾。我们已经讨论过这个了。我们要再次提起它，因为它依然是有史以来最重量级的。

Excellent. Alright, Anthony. Now on to our feature review. We've already talked about this. We're gonna bring it back because again, it's the heaviest of all time.

这是我们的十大重量级欧式游戏。这些游戏至少在Board Game Geek上的重量评级达到4.0或更高。

It is our top 10 heavy euros. These are the games out there that at least weigh, according to Board Game Geek, a four point o or higher.

是的。根据我们这些重度欧式游戏玩家的评选，这是其中最好的10款。

Yes. The 10 best of those, according to us, the heavy Euro guys.

重度欧式游戏玩家。这就是我们的标签。没错。我本想问如果

The heavy Euro guys. That's what we're known for. Yeah. I cokes ask If

你看看我们过去五年来的前十名游戏榜单，几乎全是这些游戏。所以

you look at our top top 10 games for the last, like, five years, it's almost all these games. So

是的。我们做了一个，做了一个测验图表。实际上不是。我们有个听众，他梳理了我们所有的前100名，还有我们那种小小的蜘蛛雷达图，以及，像是粗箭头。那就是我们的特色。

Yeah. We did a we did a, a quiz chart. Actually, no. We had somebody, one of our listeners went through all our our top 100 and then our little kind of spider radar graph and, like, heavy arrows. That was our thing.

那是个小小突起的尖刺。小小的突起。好吧，那我们开始吧。经典的老式前十名榜单。榜单上的第十名。

That's a little spike shooting out. Little spike Alright. So let's kick it off. Good old classic top 10 list. Number 10 on the list.

我们要回到最初的那个吗？

Are we going back to the original first?

哦，我们是之前还是之后？

Oh, we before or after?

我不知道。你来决定吧。你抛硬币，看它怎么落。

I don't know. I'll let you take it. You make you flip the coin, see which way it goes.

好吧。我想我们可以先过一遍，看看它怎么对比。嗯，有道理。好的。

Alright. I guess we can go through it first and we can see how it compares. Yeah. Makes sense. Alright.

所以最初的榜单上，第十名是《巨兽生物圈》。嗯。那是埃克伦德的游戏。非常硬核。嗯。第九名《古董》是斯普拉特那帮人的选择。

So the original list, we had number 10 was Bios Megafauna Mhmm. Which was an Eklund game. That's very heavy. Mhmm. Nine Antiquity was a choice from the Splatter guys.

嗯。第八名，Mindclash出品的《时间断层》。嗯。第七名，《小城》。这是在《小城》重启之前的版本。

Mhmm. Eight, Anachrony from Mindclash. Mhmm. Seven, Small City. This is back before Small City got a reboot.

所以这是老派的《小城》。对。第六名，《盖亚计划》。当时《盖亚计划》还是全新的游戏。我非常喜欢它。

So this was like old school Small City. Yeah. Six, Gaia Project. Gaia Project was brand new at the time. I was loving it.

嗯。第五名，《优势物种》。第四名，《阿克莱特》，这是一款经典的大型重度游戏。是的。新版本即将推出。

Mhmm. Five dominant species. Four, Arkwrights, which is a big old heavy game. Yeah. Got a new version coming.

非常昂贵。第三名，《里斯本》。哦，让我停下来想一想。

Very expensive. Number three, Lisboa. Oh, let me stop you there and think.

《阿克莱特》，是不是那款有很多小棋子的游戏？对。然后他们不得不专门为它设计了一个奇怪的摆放托盘？

Arkwright, was that not the game with, like, all those little pawns? Yes. And then they they literally had to make a some sort of weird setup tray for it?

嗯，是的，是Meeple Realty之类的公司制作了一个让摆放更容易的配件。但如果你只买基础游戏，就得手动摆放它们。

Well, yeah, it was Meeple Realty or one of those companies made a thing that made it easier to set up. But if you just buy the game, you just you have to just set them up.

如果是磁吸的会怎样？

What if it was magnetic?

哦，那样会好得多。因为如果你撞到其中一个，就像打保龄球一样。

Oh, so that would be way better. Because if you bump one of these guys, it's like bowling pins.

哦，不。我们有个主意要告诉你们。我们做到了。我们又做到了。

Oh, no. Like We have an idea for you people. We did it. We did it again.

第三名是里斯本。嗯。经典之作，多尔塞拉。第二名，美食连锁磁石。而第一名，回到2018年，第177集是《穿越时代》，一个文明的新故事。

Three was Lisboa. Mhmm. Big classic, Dolceira. Number two, food chain magnet. And number one, back in 2018, episode one seventy seven was Through the Ages, a new story of civilization.

而这是第177集。

And this is episode 177.

是啊，是啊。已经有一段时间了。

Yeah. Yeah. It's been a while.

没错。如果你想听我们所有那些，怎么说呢，奢华、详尽、无休止的对这些厚重硬核游戏的赞美，一定要跳回去听第177集。听起来是很久以前的事了，而我

Yeah. If you would like to listen to all of our, how would you say it, lavish, detailed, endless praise of these heavy crunchy games, definitely jump back to episode one seventy seven. Sounds a long time ago, and I

不记得我们当时说了什么。不记得。我是说，我让我们知道。我猜我们喜欢这些游戏。所以，你知道的。

don't remember what we said. Nope. I mean, I let us know. I could guess we like these games. So, you know.

而且它们大多数在当时都相对较新。

And they most of them were relatively new at the time.

确实。确实。至少其中两三个游戏出现在今年的榜单上。所以我要说的是，这意味着很多游戏并不在其中。

True. True. At least two or three of these are on this year's list. So I will say that little But bit of that means a lot of them are not. So

它们已被更重、更具策略性的游戏所取代。

They've been replaced by heavier, crunchier games.

我记得制作这个清单时，我们实际玩过的4.0分以上的游戏并不多。而现在，我们玩过的游戏已经有数百款了。

I remember building this list. There were not that many games that were four point o or higher that we had actually played. Like, now there are hundreds that we've played.

确实如此。现在它们还带有磁铁配件。

That's true. Now they have magnets.

现在有更多重度策略游戏了。

There's just a lot more heavy games.

确实是这样。我是说，我认为中策欧式游戏曾是核心类型。轻到中策的欧式游戏确实风靡一时。

So That's true. The yeah. I mean, I think the mid weight euro was kind of the the center point. Like, that really was where light to mid weight euro was the thing. Yeah.

看起来像是浅米色和浅绿色？这是一款中等重量的轻量级欧式游戏。

It's like, is it light beige and light green? It's a mid weight light euro.

对，对。而且我认为众筹产生了巨大影响——你可以制作一款150美元、包含所有这些复杂内容的大游戏，人们提前付款让你能完成制作，这完全可行。比如，鹰狮公司就为我们指明了道路。

Yeah. Yeah. And I think crowdfunding has had a big impact where you can produce a $150 game that has all this big complicated stuff and people pay for it in advance so you can make it and it's fine. Like, Eagle Griffin showed us the way.

他们确实做到了。好的，安东尼。我们来看看2025年2月的清单吧。

They did a thing. Yep. Alright, Anthony. Let's get on to our list for 02/2025.

25年快到了。好的。第十名。这是去年发布的游戏，但基于2021年的一款作品——《帝国：地平线》。

'25 coming up. Alright. Number 10. This is a game that came out last year, but it's based on a game that came out in 2021. Imperium Horizons.

这是《帝国》系列的第三部，前两部应该是《传说》和《经典》，嗯。本作由奈杰尔·巴克与大卫·图尔西设计，是一款以卡牌为核心的文明建设游戏，你需要同时关注一大堆要素。

So this is the third in the series of Imperium games, which was legends and classics, I think. Mhmm. But this is the third one. And the the imperium series is designed by Nigel Buckle and David David Turci. It is a card based civilization building game in which you have to pay attention to a whole bunch of stuff.