第556集 - 顶级桌游展会精选：Pax Unplugged与BGG

但为了简化游戏概念，你试图让其他玩家患上更多心理疾病，同时通过药物干预或治疗来治愈自己的心理疾病，作为一名治疗师我觉得这很有趣，但游戏本身相当容易上手。

But to really simplify the concept of the game, you are trying to give other players more mental illnesses while at the same time trying to cure your own mental illnesses with pharmaceutical interventions or therapy, which I think is very funny as a therapist, but it's fairly easy to play.

游戏开始时你会拿到四张牌，每轮抽取两张牌，要么试图让其他玩家因现有病症所服用药物的潜在副作用而容易患上新的心理健康问题，同时也要努力治愈自己的心理障碍。

You get four cards dealt out to you at the beginning and you're essentially taking two cards per round to either try to make someone else develop a new mental health condition that they are vulnerable to due to the potential side effects of the medications they're taking for their pre existing conditions while also trying to cure your own psyche of disorders.

我觉得非常有趣。

Very fun, I think.

卡牌美术设计也很棒。

And very nice card art as well.

是啊。

Yeah.

我超爱这些卡牌设计。

I love the card art.

真的很酷。

It's really wicked.

嗯哼。

Mhmm.

还有盒子也是。

And the box too.

盒子确实很棒。

The box got Yes.

是啊。

Yeah.

它有一种非常酷的老式风格，就像卖蛇油的推销员，或者非常早期的，你知道的，这是可卡因还是这实际上会是一种治疗手段？

It's got a very cool sort of like old timey, like snake oil salesman, like, or like very early on, like, you know, is this is this cocaine or is this, like, actually gonna be, like, a therapeutic intervention?

谁说得准呢？

Who's to say?

有很多骷髅元素。

There's a lot of skeletons.

所有的卡片上似乎都有骷髅。

All the all the cards seem to have skeletons in

它们。

them.

对吧？

Right?

是的。

Yeah.

嗯哼。

Mhmm.

它在传递一个明确的信息。

It's sending a clear message.

坏事正在发生。

Bad things are happening.

那么这实际上是你自己或其他同事在治疗实践中使用过的游戏吗，还是说这更像是

So is this a game actually you yourself or other colleagues have used this in therapeutic practice, or is this just kind of like, this is

没有。

No.

这个我没有在客户身上用过。

My This is not something I've used with clients.

这是我和其他治疗师朋友或一般关注心理健康的朋友们一起会心一笑的事情，因为它带着点幽默感。

This is something that I've gotten a giggle out of with other either therapist friends or friends who are like involved generally with like their own mental health or like in the mental health space because it is a little, you know, humor.

我觉得我不会随便对任何特定来访者拿出这个。

Wouldn't, I don't think I'd pull it out with like just any client in particular.

那样会很糟糕，对吧？

That'd be bad, right?

那会有点失职了。

That'd be a little bit malpracticing.

你知道，可能有点不够严肃——虽然我确实喜欢不正经，但不想在治疗室里过度淡化人们寻求治疗的原因。

You know, a little, maybe a little bit, you know, unserious, which I do love to be unserious, but not wanting to make too much light of reasons why people come to therapy while they're in the therapy room.

我觉得这是一种黑色幽默，像是在嘲笑人们，

I think it's that kind of macabre humor, is laughing at people,

但是

but

它更像是某种拥抱，我想说是虚无主义，虽然我不确定

it's it's kind of embracing, I I wanna say nihilism, because I don't think that's

是的。

Yes.

是的。

Yes.

对。

Yeah.

嗯。

Mhmm.

所以我觉得这有其价值。

So I I think there's value in that.

我认为对死亡抱以些许嘲笑是有价值的。

I think there's value at laughing at death a little bit.

正是如此。

Exactly.

或者稍微冷笑一下。

Or smirking a little bit.

嗯。

Mhmm.

归根结底，就像你做的，你知道，最终能治愈或至少治疗你所面临的所有病症。

And at the end of the day, like you do, you know, become a cure or treat at least all of the conditions that which you are dealt.

你知道，最后总还是有一些希望的。

You know, some some hopefulness there at the end.

是啊。

Yeah.

那挺酷的。

That's pretty cool.

而且我看他们还有扩展包，这也很棒。

And they also have an expansion for it, I see, which is pretty cool.

是的。

Yes.

对。

Yes.

所以我买了两个扩展包。

So I picked up two expansions.

一个叫‘活性成分’，你会获得额外的行动卡、新的病症以及用于治疗的新药物。

So one is called Active Ingredients and you get additional action cards, new disorders, and new drugs to treat things with.

还有一个是‘合法恶习’。

And then there's also legal vices.

你可以加入咖啡、烟草和酒精卡，这些会增加你对某些病症的易感性，比如阳痿、抑郁或焦虑，让我看看这里，很多都是阳痿。

So you can add in coffee, tobacco, and alcohol cards, which are going to increase your vulnerability to conditions like impotence or depression or anxiety or let's see here, lots of impotence.

是的，这给了我更多机会，我觉得这是必要的，因为游戏本身虽然很有趣，但相当简单，玩了几轮后你就会觉得，好吧，我已经摸清这里的数学变量了。

Yes, so giving me more opportunity, I think this is needed because the game itself, while very fun, is pretty simple and after you play a few rounds, you're like, okay, I know what the math here is of like, you know, the variables.

所以我认为加入这些额外元素，比如你可以在这里有这个，它会增加你对某些情况的易感性，这给了玩家更多行动机会，让游戏持续进行，而不是干等着某张卡来推进游戏进程。

So I think adding in these extra things of like, okay, like you can have this here and it's going to increase your vulnerability to things, which gives people more opportunities to make moves and keep sort of the game going so you're not just like waiting for a particular card to advance the gameplay.

明白了。

Gotcha.

威尔，你玩过这个吗？

Will, have you played this?

是的。

Yeah.

我在不同的群体和配置下玩过几次。

I've played it a few times in sort of different groups and configurations.

好的。

Okay.

玩起来怎么样？

How does it play?

大家喜欢玩吗？

How do you people enjoy it?

是的。

Yeah.

我觉得很有趣。

I think it's fun.

我认为这个游戏的巧妙之处在于卡牌设计精美，艺术风格非常引人共鸣。

I think a lot of the the trick of the game is that the cards look good and the art's really evocative.

当你玩这个游戏时，它带有一种社交元素，相当有趣，因为就像，哦，你有一张‘阳痿’的卡牌。

And when you're playing it, it it sort of has a social element that is pretty funny because sort of like, oh, you have a card that is impotence.

你可能在做的事情之一就是试图给其他玩家施加这些状态。

And one of the things that you might be doing is you're trying to give other players the conditions.

所以，你知道，伸手过桌子说‘我给你阳痿’是个挺逗的把戏。

And so, you know, reaching across the table and saying, like, I give you impotence is an amusing trick.

别这样，老兄。

No, man.

停下

Stop

它。

it.

提醒一下，不要随意玩游戏。

Reminder, don't play games at will.

是啊。

Yeah.

哇。

Wow.

它会让你...它会让你阳痿。

It gives you it gives you impotence.

是啊。

Yeah.

你可以从Pillbox Games公司直接购买，他们也在亚马逊、巴诺书店和其他大型连锁商店销售。

And you could pill you can it looks like you could pick this up from Pillbox Games, the company itself, and they also sell to Amazon and Barnes and Noble and all the other big box stores.

对。

Yeah.

我是在巴诺书店买的。

I picked it up at Barnes and Noble.

就是这样。

There you go.

非常酷。

Very cool.

那么你会怎么说？

So what would you say?

这真的值得买吗？

Is this an actual buy?

人们应该出去买这款游戏吗？

Should people go out and pick this game up?

还是像威尔说的那样，如果你和一群人在一起时这款游戏出现了，你应该玩一玩。

Or if this is like like Will was saying, like, if you're with a group of people and this comes out, you should play it.

我认为如果你在心理健康领域工作，这款游戏绝对值得收藏，它相当有趣。

I think if you are in the mental health field and, you know, I think it's definitely worth adding to your collection, it's pretty funny.

我觉得至少对于普通路人来说，肯定要玩一玩。

I think at the very least, sort of a a standard passerby, like, play it for sure.

绝对值得。

Definitely.

我认为它很有重玩价值，尤其是加上那些扩展包后。

I think it's replayable and especially with the the expansion packs.

明白了。

Gotcha.

这是一款派对游戏，支持2到8名玩家。

This is a party game, two to eight players.

嗯哼。

Mhmm.

根据他们的说法，学习规则需要三分钟，游戏时长十到三分钟。

Three minutes to learn, ten to three minutes to play according to them.

是的。

Yeah.

学起来非常快。

Very quick to learn.

我对重玩唯一的不满就是需要把病症卡和治疗卡分开整理，因为游戏过程中所有牌都混在一起了，重置时必须手动分类才能发正确数量的牌，这点稍微有点麻烦。

My only gripe with replaying it is that you have to sort the cards out from the disorders and the treatments, so everything gets shuffled up while you're playing it, and then in order to reset, you have to manually separate everything out so that you can then deal out the appropriate amount of cards, which is just minorly inconvenient.

懂了。

Gotcha.

好的。

Alright.

嗯，还有副作用。

Well, was side effects.

你还玩了什么别的？

What else did you play?

我还玩了《命运之柱》，有趣的是，这是我参与众筹的项目之一，结果我们在PAX展会上直接拿到了游戏。这感觉就像——我一直在等它寄到邮箱，结果今天竟然以这种方式到手了，真是挺巧的。

I also played Pillars of Fate, which is something that, funnily enough, was part of a Kickstarter that I had backed, and then we ended up getting it handed to us at PAX, which was one of those things of, like, I've been waiting for this to come in my mailbox and actually arrived today, funnily enough.

我们在帕特家玩过一晚这个游戏。

But we played it one of the nights at Pat's.

这是一款双玩家战道对战游戏。

It's a two player lane battler.

它和《隐面命运》是同一家公司制作的，后者当然是我有史以来最爱的游戏之一。

It's from the same people that did Veiled Fate, which is, of course, one of my favorite games of all time.

游戏设定有三条战道，玩起来很像《绝望绿洲》，如果有人玩过的话。

And the idea of it is there's three lanes, it plays very similar to Desperate Oasis, if anyone's played that.

游戏设定有三条战线，你们互相出牌对抗，每条战线各出三张牌。

It's sort of there's three lanes set up and you are playing cards against each other, three cards per lane.

游戏背景是众神之间的战争，你们通过半神和英雄等角色跨越时代互相战斗，每个时代由三条战线的回合组成。

The idea is that you are gods that are fighting each other, and you're using demigods and heroes and things to combat each other across the ages, and each age is a round of three lanes.

你的目标是要在某条特定战线上取得力量优势。

What you're doing is you're trying to get a power over one particular lane.

你打出的牌可以正面朝上或朝下放置。

The cards you play can be played face up or face down.

每条战线只能有一张牌背面朝下，这些牌具有力量值和花色。

There's only one face down per lane, and they have power and they have suits.

如果你玩过《Veiled Fate》，就能认出这些花色是从那款游戏延续过来的。

If you've played Veiled Fate before, the suits return from Veiled Fate.

有羽毛和蝎子两种花色，但采用黑金配色。

There's Feathers and Scorpions, but it's black and gold.

和《Veiled Fate》一样，游戏中还带有一定的欺骗元素。

And there's a sort of deception element to it, just like Veiled Fate.

游戏的核心玩法是，你通过出牌试图达成目标，或是虚张声势欺骗对手，以期在整场游戏中实现你的各种战略目的。

So the idea is that you're playing these cards and you're either trying to achieve an objective or bluff your opponent or deceive them and hopefully achieve whatever your objectives are throughout the game.

独特之处在于半神卡牌——游戏开始时每人会分到三张，这些卡牌拥有能彻底改变游戏规则的强力效果。

The twist of it is that the demigod cards, you each get dealt three of them at the beginning of the game, and they have really strong effects that change how the game is played.

比如你可能会抽到一张能反转整条战线上所有卡牌阵营的半神卡。

So hypothetically, you might get a demigod card that flips the alignment of every card that gets played in the lane or something.

举个例子，我抽到过一张要求你必须输掉所有战线才能得分的半神卡。

Or for example, I got one that was you had to play it and it demanded that you lost every lane in order to gain points, for example.

不错。

Nice.

这个和之前那款《命运天平》类似吗？

And is this similar to the other one, the Scales of Fate?

对。

Yeah.

有点相似。

A little bit.

所以它们是在同一个Kickstarter项目中的，而且《天秤》和《支柱》都是双人游戏

So it was in the same Kickstarter situation, and both scales and pillars are two player games

嗯哼。

Mhmm.

并且有着相似的主题风格。

That are with the same kind of theming.

我还没玩过《命运天秤》，但在我看来那款游戏规模稍大一些，而《支柱》则相对小巧。

It appears to me I haven't played Scales of Fate yet, but it appears to me that's like a little bit of a bigger game, and pillars is a little bit smaller.

哦，非常酷。

Oh, very cool.

看来你玩过不少同公司出品的游戏，比如《领域》、《命运之地》这类题材的。

So you've played a bunch of the games in the same company production genre, realms, places of fate.

这款游戏在其中处于什么位置？

Where does this one fit with the others?

比如，它是更好还是更差？

Like, is it better, worse?

它是更复杂还是更简单？

Is it more complex, easier?

是的。

Yeah.

据我理解，《支柱》和《命运天平》都比《隐秘命运》稍微简单一些。

So my understanding of it is that both pillars and scales are a little bit less complicated than Veiled Fate is.

《隐秘命运》是个很酷的游戏，但确实需要相当长的时间，相对复杂。

Veiled Fate is a really cool game, but it does take quite a long relatively complicated.

我记得我们有一次一起玩，花了很长时间来学习游戏规则、玩法以及目标之类的。

I remember we all played together at one point, and there was a very significant period of learning how does the game work, how do I play it, what are my objectives kind of stuff.

所以我认为在某种程度上，它旨在解决这些问题。

So I think in some ways it's meant to address some of those things.

《隐秘命运》需要花些时间。

Veiled Fate takes a while.

需要投入一些精力才能上手。

It takes a little bit of investment to get into.

这确实是一款非常棒的游戏。

It is a really cool game.

《Veiled Fate》的一个优点是可以适应不同规模的玩家群体，游戏体验也会随之变化。

One of the nice features of Veiled Fate was you could play at various sizes of player group and the game plays differently.

在这里，他们限制为两人游戏，所以即使只有两个人也能玩，同时获得部分相似的体验。

Here, they limited to two, so you can get something to the table just two people, but still get some of the same experience.

最酷的一点是，几乎所有的视觉元素和主题设计在三款游戏中都是一致的。

One of the cool parts is almost all of the visuals, almost all of the theming is the same across all three games.

所以如果你熟悉《Veiled Fate》或《Pillars》等游戏，你也会对其他游戏感到熟悉。

So if you're familiar with Veiled Fate or you're familiar with Pillars or something, you would be familiar with the other games.

另外，根据你的理解方式，这些游戏甚至可以以某种方式共存或相互嵌套，因为《Veiled Fate》是关于完成任务和达成目标，对吧？

And also, depending on how you, I guess, conceptualize it, there's even space for all of the games to be sort of like existing along side of each other or inside of each other in a way, because Veiled Fate is about like you are achieving your objectives and doing quests and things, right?

而《Pillars of Fate》则是在特定时间框架内相互竞争，这种设定也可以融入《Veiled Fate》的世界观中。

Where Pillars of Fate is in this specific time frame, you're competing against each other, which I suppose just as well could be, you know, inside failed fate, for example.

不错。

Nice.

这几乎就像你可以玩一整天游戏，从一个宇宙切换到另一个宇宙的那种感觉。

It's almost like a whole you could play a whole game day where it's like one into the other, one to the other kind of universe of games.

是的。

Yes.

我觉得这很有趣，因为它们之间有着某种间接的关联。

And I think it's interesting because they are sort of tangentially related to each other.

比如，我拿到的那张要求你输掉所有三条战线的卡牌，与《Veiled Fate》中某个角色相关——我们玩那局时我正好扮演过那个角色，所以感觉很熟悉。

So for example, the card that I had gotten that was wanting you to lose all three lanes was related to one of the character roles in So Veiled I had played that character when we all played it, and so it was familiar.

我认出了卡面艺术风格，而且胜利条件也与原版游戏的主题有所呼应。

I recognized the art and the conditions were somewhat thematic to the original game.

不知道你是否喜欢《Veiled Fate》里那个青绿色的半神角色。

So, you know, I don't know if you like the the teal demigod from Veiled Fate.

《Pillars》里的青绿色半神卡牌是同一个角色，主题风格也很相似。

The teal demigod card in Pillars is the same character and has similar theming, let's say.

太棒了。

Excellent.

嗯，看来IV工作室现在需要推出一款角色扮演游戏了。

Well, it seems like IV Studios needs to come out with an RPG now.

我认为这是下一步该做的。

I think that's the next step.

我会玩的。

I would play it.

按传统来说，它应该会涉及欺骗、神明、半神之类的内容，但我会玩的。

Traditionally, it would have something to do with deception and gods and demigods and things, but I would play it.

太棒了。

Excellent.

好的。

Alright.

所以这个，我的意思是，显然你拿到了评测版本，但你也购买了它。

So this, I mean, obviously, you got a review copy, but also you purchased it.

所以买来玩吧。

So buy, play.

你在想什么？你在想什么？你在想什么？

What are you what are you what are you thinking?

是的。

Yeah.

我是说，虽然我家里现在有两份这款游戏可能显得不够客观，但我确实认为它值得购买。

I mean, not to be biased because I have two copies of this game in my home right now, but I do think it's a buy.

我觉得这是个很酷的游戏。

I think it was a cool game.

它的规则相当轻量，我认为它很适合快速上手、让人们轻松学会，同时又能激发他们对更复杂版本的兴趣，就像一种入门引导的方式。

It functions pretty light, and I think it has a good use case for, you know, being kind of quick and getting people easy in to learn it, but maybe getting them interested in maybe a heavier version of sort of the same game in sort of a like gateway kind of fashion.

不错。

Nice.

好的。

Alright.

最后你们还有《风筝》，这完全是相反的

And then finally, you guys got Kite, which is completely the opposite of

是的。

Yes.

事实上完全不涉及数学运算。

Very no math involved, in fact.

我之前已经把《风筝》这款游戏拿出来了。

So Kite, I had it pulled out before.

《风筝》是一款2-6人游戏，适合10岁以上玩家，耗时约十分钟。游戏机制是翻转我们的小计时器——就像各种颜色的沙漏一样。本质上讲的是你要让不同颜色的风筝保持在空中不落地，这样就能享受公园里的美好时光，或者像玛丽·波平斯说的那样。

So Kite is a two to six player game, ages 10 and up, takes about ten minutes and the mechanic is flipping our little timer, like sans hourglasses of varying colors and essentially the story is you're trying to keep the kites of the different colors aloft and not on the ground so you can have like a beautiful day at the park or whatever Mary Poppins said.

本质上你们要轮流从牌堆中翻牌，桌上每个人都会翻一张牌，然后你必须翻开对应风筝颜色的牌。

And essentially you are taking turns flipping cards over from a deck so each person at the table is gonna flip a card and then you have to then turn over the corresponding kite color.

所以你们手牌大概有五张左右。

So you have like, what was it like five cards in your hand or so at a time.

所以你可以策略性地做出选择，比如'红色牌快用完了，我必须出红牌让它被翻开，这样我们就能尽可能延长游戏'。

So you can sort of strategically make choices of like, okay, I see the red is almost running out, I have to play a red card so that it can get flipped and we can try to go on for as long as possible.

规则手册最后有那种计分表，比如'如果牌堆还剩这么多牌你就通关了，太棒了，耶'。

And the rule book has sort of one of those like scores at the end of like, if you've made it with this many cards left in the pile, you're really fantastic, yay.

但它非常可爱。

But it's very cute.

我觉得得在平稳的桌面上玩，不然那些小沙漏会翻倒。我玩的时候发现得卷起袖子，因为动作太急总会碰倒东西，不过确实很可爱。

I think you need to play it on a stable surface so that the little hourglasses don't flip the fall over, which is I was finding it like I had to like roll my sleeves up and like because I was knocking things over because I was like scrambling a lot to try to be quick about it, but it was cute.

肯定会再玩的。

Would definitely play it.

我觉得很适合小孩子。

I think it would be good for for kids.

完全不难学。

Not not complicated to learn at all.

不错。

Nice.

是啊。

Yeah.

这是Floodgates出品的。

This is from Floodgates.

嗯。

Mhmm.

说实话，这款游戏真正吸引我的是Beth Sobel的美术设计。

And really, the thing that really attracts me in the game was the artwork from Beth Sobel.

嗯。

Mhmm.

不知道你是否了解她的其他作品，比如《展翅翱翔》、《卡利科》、《卡斯卡迪亚》，我知道Anthony是这款游戏的忠实粉丝。

I don't know if you if you know some of her other games, but Wingspan, Calico, Cascadia, I know is a big Anthony's a big fan of that.

《卡斯卡迪亚》。

Cascadia.

对。

Yeah.

而且我觉得，如果追溯得够早的话，她确实参与过《迪克西特》早期版本的部分设计，如果我没记错的话。

And I think if I think if you go back far enough, I wanna say that she actually did she actually do, some of the Dixit stuff, the early stuff, if I remember correctly.

我想我也是通过那里的一些卡片初次接触到她的作品。

I think some of the some of the cards there too where I first ran to her work.

但她确实拥有了一段辉煌的职业生涯，创作了这么多精彩的游戏，真的都是顶尖水准的作品。

But she's she's had a a beautiful, beautiful career of all these wonderful games, really just like top notch kind of stuff.

所以，是的。

So so yeah.

威尔，你也玩过这个游戏吗？

Again, Will, you played this too?

是的。

Yeah.

我真的很喜欢它。

I really liked it.

让我印象深刻的一点是，这个游戏真的很难。

I think one of the things I was struck by was the game is really difficult.

倒不是说游戏规则有多复杂，而是同时要处理很多事情。

Not necessarily in that it is a complicated game necessarily, but there's just a lot going on.

我们第一次玩的时候表现得很糟糕。

And the first time we played it, we were bad at it.

我们几乎

Like, we could barely

这很有趣。

That's funny.

连游戏设置和基本操作都搞不定。

Set up the game and function.

我们玩了一次，结果拿到了可能的最低分。

And we played it once and we got, like, the lowest score possible.

然后我们就坐在那里，好吧。

And then we were kind of sitting around, okay.

我现在有点理解这个游戏了，但我很喜欢它的玩法，因为你能明显感觉到自己在逐渐进步。

I kind of better understand this, but I really like the way it plays because it you can really see yourself getting a little better at it as you play it.

这让我想起了《胡闹厨房》这类游戏，那种视觉化的时间压力，同时要处理七八件事，大脑要在这种高压（所谓的）状态下高速运转。

It sort of put me in a similar headspace to, like, games like Overcooked where you're like, you have, like, that very visual time pressure and, like, seven things happening at once, and you're like, trying to, you know, make your brain work through like this high pressure, you know, high stakes, quote unquote, like situation.

所以这很有趣，当然也完全没什么大不了，不是什么世界末日。

So that was, you know, that was fun, but also obviously very low stakes and and not, you know, not the end of the world.

我非常欣赏沙漏计时器作为一种游戏机制，同时也欣赏它作为风筝在空中只能停留有限时间最终会落地的功能性主题现实——这种认知跳跃非常有趣。

I I really appreciate the Samtimers as, like, a game mechanic, but also as, like, the functional thematic reality of, like, kites in the sky and they can only stay up there for so long and eventually hit the ground, which is like it's such an interesting cognitive jump.

对吧？

Right?

比如，我该如何围绕风筝构建游戏机制？

Like, how do I build something around kites?

比如，如果它们只能在空中停留若干沙粒的时间，但最终总会落下。

Like, what if they don't you know, they stay up for x number of grains of sand, but eventually they fall.

它们就像沙漏一样。

They're just like sand timers.

但你需要不断翻转它们，因为你要拉动风筝。

But you gotta flip them all the time because you gotta pull the kite.

而且它们相当...脆弱。

And they're they're pretty, like, delicate too.

就像我说的，它们很容易被打翻。

Like, you know, like I said, they're easy to knock over.

你知道，你必须有点策略性地考虑，比如，你摆放它们的距离有多近，以及是否给自己留出了足够的操作空间？

You know, you have to be kind of be strategic with, like, how close you're setting them up and, like, are you giving yourself enough room to, you know, maneuver with them?

确实如此。

It's true.

嗯，我们从Floodgate那里拿到了评测版。

Well, we got a review copy from Floodgate.

梅根，

Megan,

Floodgate会吗。

would Floodgate.

如果你在展会上有机会玩到这款游戏，你会实际购买它吗？

Would you actually purchase this if you had a chance to play it at the convention?

你未来可能会玩它吗，或者你有什么想法和感受？

Would you play it maybe in the future, or what's what's your thoughts and feelings?

显然，你喜欢这款游戏，所以这不是在回避或批评。

Obviously, you like the game, so it's not a dodge or burn.

不。

No.

是的。

Yes.

我绝对推荐玩这个游戏。

I would definitely recommend playing it.

我认为如果你经常与孩子互动，或者生活中有很多喜欢色彩鲜艳事物、想玩简单游戏的孩子，这会是一款非常棒的游戏。

I think that this would be a really great game if you, like, interact with children a lot or, like, have a lot of, like, kids in your life who, like, like, colorful things and wanna play, like, a simple game.

或者，由于这是合作类游戏，如果你有一个精力充沛的游戏家庭，想把精力投入到合作而非竞争性游戏中，我觉得这会让你稍微放松一下。

Or if you want because this is cooperative, if you have a high energy gaming family and want to put the energy towards something that's cooperative rather than like cutthroat, think this would be having to give yourself a little bit of a break there.

所以，是的，我肯定会说至少尝试玩一下并考虑购买。

So yes, I would say definitely at least play and like consider buying.

太棒了。

Excellent.

你同意这个看法吗，威尔？

You're on board with that, Will?

是的。

Yeah.

绝对同意。

Absolutely.

我认为除了娱乐之外，它还有很多不错的应用场景，值得深入探讨。

I think there's a of good applications for it outside of just having fun with it too, which would be something worth looking into.

但我确实玩得很开心，而且我觉得很多人会沉浸其中并深深着迷。

But I I really enjoyed playing it and, you know, I think I could see a lot of people getting into that headspace and really latching onto it.

非常棒。

Very cool.

对。

Yeah.

这是个2-6人游戏，非常适合游戏之夜或像梅根说的家庭聚会。

It's it's a good it's two six players, so you could really play this like a game night or, like, as Megan was saying, like a a family night.

而且需要大家同时进行大量手部操作，但以合作的方式进行。

And it's just a lot of dexterity manipulation all at the same time, but cooperatively.

梅根，与此相反，我不知道你有没有玩过《丛林速度》。

Opposite of this, Megan, I don't know if you ever played Jungle Speed.

嗯-嗯。

Mm-mm.

哦，《丛林速度》是一款竞技游戏，有点像...我不知道该怎么形容它。

Oh, Jungle Speed is like it's a competitive game where there's like I don't know how you would explain it.

安东尼，那个形状应该叫什么来着？

Anthony, what what would that shape be?

它就像是

It's like

就是个小玩意儿，其实就是个打斗游戏。

It's just a little barry at the it's just a punching game.

你们互相击打对方。

You just punch each other.

不是

It's not

好的。

Alright.

让我稍微回溯一下。

Let me take it back a little bit.

所以有一个物品。

So there is an item.

就像安东尼说的，像一根小棍子，一根小法杖。

There's like a a little like Anthony said, like, little bar, a little staff.

它是可握持的。

It's grippable.

它有点像沙漏的形状，但实际上是相反的沙漏形状。

Like, it's got it's almost like an hourglass, opposite hourglass kind of shape.

然后你翻转这些不同的卡牌。

And then you flip over these different these different car tiles.

当合适的图案出现时，大家就会去抢它。

And then when the the appropriate thing comes up, everyone grabs for it.

如果你抢到了，就能得分。

And if you grab if you get it, you actually get the point for that.

但正如安东尼所说，因为大家都在抢，会有很多肢体接触，如果和合适的人在合适的环境下，这些互动可能会演变成拳脚相向。

But as Anthony said, eventually, because everyone's grabbing for it, there's a lot of, like, physical hand interactions, which are punchable if you're in that right environment with those right people.

所以这与风筝截然相反，风筝讲究的是精细与协作。

So it's the opposite of kites, which is delicate and cooperative.

是啊。

Yeah.

杂耍速度嘛，没错。

Juggle speed is Yeah.

我想说，既痛苦又麻烦。

Painful and problematic, I guess.

好了，各位。

Alright, everybody.

以上就是本周我们桌上的全部内容。

So that's everything that hit our table this week.

现在进入我们的‘聚焦你’环节。

Now on to our feature of you.

好了，各位。

Alright, everybody.

这周的‘聚焦你’环节，我们之前讨论过这个。

So for our feature of you this week, we talked about this before.

我们在PAX玩得很开心。

We had a great time at PAX.

没能参加BGG展会，因为两个活动时间冲突，而且目前瞬间传送技术还不现实。

Didn't get to go to BGG Con because it was happening at the same time, and teleportation is not actively available at the moment.

等将来技术成熟了，我们就能同时参加两个展会了。

But when it does, we will go to both at the same time.

尽管如此，这两个展会都有大量游戏和欢乐时光。

Nonetheless, both conventions had a lot of games, a lot of fun.

除了各种展商和展厅这些有趣的内容外，还有很多可以玩游戏的地方。

And beyond all the vendors and the showroom floor and all that kind of fun stuff, there are places to play games.

那里有游戏图书馆，你可以免费借出游戏。

There are game libraries that you could take games out for free.

我是说，你虽然为参加展会付了钱，但游戏本身是可以免费借出的。

I mean, you paid for the convention to come, but nonetheless, you could take the games out for free.

我觉得不是所有人都知道这一点。

I don't think everybody knows that.

这可能是你之前不知道的事。

Could be a thing you did not know.

然后你可以直接在桌上玩这些游戏，玩完再还回去。

And then you could just play the games at the table and then return it.

一般来说，你一次只能借一个游戏，但有些展会上他们允许你同时借多个游戏，这在某些情况下也会造成奇怪的问题。

And typically, generally, you can take one game at a time, but some conventions, sometimes they let you take multiple games at a time, which is also weirdly problematic in some some situations.

特别感谢我们在Facebook上的朋友，特别是BGG的Hillary Claire。

Thanks to our friends on Facebook, in particular, Hillary Claire from BGG.

她提到了BGG图书馆，我觉得这特别有意思，因为我们经常都在纠结该玩什么游戏、想玩什么游戏，以及哪些是热门游戏。

She mentioned that at the BGG library and I think this is really interesting because oftentimes we're all struggling to figure out what games are people playing and what games might we wanna play and like what are the hot games?

关于热门游戏，有很多衡量标准可以参考。

And there's a lot of metrics to go by as far as hot games are concerned.

事实上，BGG有一个完整的热门游戏板块，我们通常每月会讨论一次左右。

In fact, BGG has a whole hot game section that we talk about typically once a month, give or take.

这相当有趣，因为在这些特定展会上，参与者可以说是比较硬核的玩家。

This is pretty interesting because at these particular conventions, you have, I guess, somewhat hardcore gamers.

我想我们可以这样定义他们，毕竟除了这些人，还有谁会参加游戏展会呢？

I think we could define them as such because who else goes to game conventions?

嗯。

Mhmm.

对吧？

Right?

是啊。

And Yeah.

没错。

Yeah.

这些人是懂游戏的，他们在寻找特定的东西。

These are people who know games and are looking for certain things.

是啊。

Yeah.

百分百同意。

100%.

就像，他们真的很可爱。

Like, they they they're cute.

他们已经是策展人了。

They're they're already curators.

他们已经了解这个行业。

They already know the industry.

他们很清楚自己在挑选什么。

They already know what they're picking out.

而且再说一次，他们可不是随便凑数的。

And, again, they're no Slacks.

所以这确实是关于市面上热门游戏的很好反馈。

So it's it's it's really good feedback as far as what's really hot out there.

因此，从BGG展会来看，每个人的游戏库都不同，我们会遇到一些奇怪而有趣的动态和指标之类的东西。

So, from BGG Con, and everyone's library is different, so we're gonna come into some weird, interesting dynamics and metrics and stuff like that.

所以对所有信息都要持保留态度。

So take everything with a giant grain of salt.

但在同一个周末的BGG展会上，他们没有热门游戏室，这与PAX有点不同。

But from BGG Con, the same weekend, they don't have a hot games room, which is a little different than PAX.

PAX在四楼有个区域专门展示最新热门游戏。

PAX has a room or a space on the 4th Floor that's just like the the new hotness.

对吧？

Right?

就是'抢先体验'区。

First Look section.

是的。

Yeah.

我觉得PGG确实有一个热门游戏区。

I I think PGG does have a hot games room.

好的。

Okay.

只是设置方式略有不同，那里展示的是近期上市的货品，而'初览区'则是他们专门从欧洲和日本采购来的新品。

It's just it's set up a little bit differently where it's like like recently available things in the space, whereas whereas like the First Look room is like they literally go out to Europe and and Japan and pick up those things.

所以这是两种不同的类型。

So it's like a different type of thing.

这与他们的情况是不同类型的事情

It's different type of thing than than They

他们确实有热门游戏区，这和图书馆不同，因为图书馆只是陈列所有东西

do they do definitely have like hot games, which is not the same as like the library, because the library is just like, here's everything.

当然

Sure.

而热门游戏区则是像这样：我们只有两套库存

And here's things we have a lot of copies of, whereas hot games is like, we have two copies.

你们可以抢着玩。

You can all fight over it.

没人会教你规则。

No one's gonna teach you the game.

玩得开心。

Have fun.

是啊。

Yeah.

所以因为这个原因，清单有点不同。

So this is so the lists are a little different because of that.

所以在BGG展的热门游戏区，Sanctuary、Luthier和Speakeasy是游玩次数最多的游戏。

So, so those games, for the hot game section over in BGG Con, Sanctuary, Luthier, and Speakeasy were the games that were played the most in the hot section over at BGG Con.

那不是图书馆选的游戏。

That's not that's not the library picks.

那只是热门游戏区。

That's just the hot games area.

是的。

Yeah.

这很合理。

That makes sense.

那是三款刚发货给玩家的全新游戏。

That's three brand new games that just shipped to people.

当然。

Sure.

现在说到真正重要的事情，显然，她指出了那边展出的一些游戏，但图书馆借阅量前六名的游戏共被借出60次，我猜她这里有个60的数字。

Now that the really important thing, obviously, she's pointing out some of the games that were out there, but the top six titles that were taken from the library so with 60, I guess she has a 60 number here.

所以我推测借出60次的是《Whisperwood》，这是CGE出品的一款新游戏。

So I'm assuming taking out 60 time was Whisperwood, which was a new game from CGE.

非常数学化、抽象化，森林小动物们做各种事情的主题。

So very mathy, abstract, woodland creatures kind of doing things.

毕竟森林小动物最擅长的不就是数学吗？

Because what do woodland creatures do best but math?

是啊。

Yeah.

这游戏看起来挺酷的。

This is a cool looking game.

我本来想在PAX展会的CGE展台试玩一下的。

I I wanted to try it out over the CGE booth at PAX.

他们在PAX确实有现货出售。

And they did have copies for sale at PAX.

我记得周六上午就卖光了。

I think they sold out sometime Saturday morning.

但它的画风很可爱。

But it's cute looking.

毕竟是CGE出品的游戏，质量肯定有保障。

It's it's a CGE game, so you know it's gonna be quality production.

而且对他们来说算是轻度向的作品。

And it's a little bit on the lighter side for them.

这不是他们那种大型复杂的盒子游戏。

It's not one of their big sprawling boxes.

更像是2.0版本的感觉。

It's like a two point o.

一局游戏大约需要40分钟。

It takes forty minutes to play.

所以很适合我们家的游戏时间安排。

So would be a good fit in my household.

下次我可能会考虑入手这款游戏。

I might check this out next time around.

太棒了。

Excellent.

然后他们65号展位，应该是《迷雾之子》卡牌构筑游戏吧。

And then they for at 65, I I guess, was Mistborn, the deck building game.

我们已经玩过并评测过这款游戏了。

We've already played and reviewed this.

我们玩过。

We have.

是的。

Yeah.

我们三个——克里斯、你、我，还有威尔，大约一年前玩过这个游戏。

The three of us, Chris, you and I, and Will, we played this about a year ago.

嗯哼。

Mhmm.

我把我的游戏带到了新泽西，我们有机会玩了一下。

I brought my copy out to New Jersey, and we got a chance to play.

这是一款带有合作或直接对抗元素的牌组构筑游戏。

This is a deck building game with either cooperative or directly combative elements.

如果你了解《迷雾之子》系列，里面包含了所有角色。

And if you know the Mistborn series, it's got all the characters in there.

游戏还有一个极具主题性的核心反派角色。

It's got a very thematic central bad guy.

如果你不了解《迷雾之子》系列，游戏机制中融入了大量背景设定。

If you don't know the Mistborn series, there's a lot of lore baked in the mechanics.

所以学习这款游戏可能需要多花点功夫，我认为确实如此。

So it's a little bit heavier of a lift, I think, probably to learn the game because Sure.

整个概念就像，你需要燃烧这些不同的金属来激活各种能力，而燃烧的方式、时机和速度会影响你何时能打出这些卡牌。

The whole concept being, like, you're burning these different metals to activate these different types of powers and how you burn them and when you burn them and how fast you burn them affects, like, when you can play the cards.

作为一个拥有这款游戏、学过规则且读过原著的人，我很难判断这种机制在游戏性上是否直观。

I think that's I it's hard for me to know as a person who owns the game and learned the game and also has read these books to know how intuitive or not intuitive that is from a gameplay mechanic.

我觉得它相当酷，而且美术风格也很有趣。

I think it's pretty cool, and I think the artwork's really fun.

但根据我带它去过几个游戏组的经验，这款游戏对某些人来说反响有点平淡。

But I know the game, having brought it to a couple groups, has landed a little a little bit with a thud with some people.

所以我不认为这是世界上最棒的游戏，但它的视觉效果很酷。

So I don't think it's the best game in the world, but it's cool looking.

他们在这上面是花了些钱的。

They spent some money on it.

然后在73号位置，'火热连胜'。

Then at 73, Hot Streak.

'火热连胜'。

Hot Streak.

我们过去几周讨论过这个。

We've talked about this the last few weeks.

这是吉祥物赛跑游戏。

This is the mascot racing game.

嗯。

Mhmm.

是的。

Yeah.

基于一个魔法运动员。

Based on a magical athlete.

对。

Yeah.

看起来很有趣。

Looks fun.

是啊。

Yeah.

想扮演一个巨大的热狗人参加比赛。

Wanna race around as a giant, like, hot dog person.

然后在74号，银河巡航。

And then at 74, Galactic Cruise.

我觉得你才是玩过这个游戏的人，老兄。

I think you're the one who's played this, man.

对。

Yeah.

这是一款比较重度欧式策略游戏。

It's it's well, it's a head it's a heavier euro.

它经常与Vital Asserti系列游戏相提并论。

It's oftentimes, you know, talked about in the same breath as the Vital Asserti games.

它本质上是一款工作替代游戏，通过物流管理将人们送上飞船，实现星际旅行。

And it's basically a work replacement game, logistics management of getting people onto spaceships so they can take travels abroad.

然后还有大量关于不同影响区域的微观管理。

And then there's just like a lot of micromanagement of different areas of effect.

此外，还存在工人之间的碰撞机制，这正是工人放置类游戏的常见设计。

And there's also, bumping of other workers because that's sometimes what worker placement games do.

它们会挤占其他玩家的位置。

They bump other players.

所以这很有趣。

So, it's interesting.

比如第73关的《热力冲刺》就极其轻量级，是个快速简单的小游戏。

You have something like Hot Streak at seventy three, which is incredibly light and just kind of a fast quick game.

而《银河巡航》则完全相反。

And then you have something Galactic Cruise, which is like the complete opposite.

规则复杂程度突破天际。

Heavy and crunchy as all get out.

对吧？

Right?

是的。

Yeah.

我是说，我深有同感。

I mean, I I feel that.

比如这份清单上的六款游戏，除了一款不太感兴趣，其他的我都想玩。

Like, this list, looking at the six games here minus like one of them, I'm like, I would like I would play all these.

要是你让我选个周末玩这六款游戏，我绝对乐意。

Like, you set me down for a weekend, like, these are the six games we're playing, I'm like, sure.

我很乐意玩这些游戏。

I'll play those.

接下来是83号的Vantage，安东尼的作品。

And then next up was at 83 Vantage, Anthony.

没错。

Yeah.

不是我的菜，但我理解为什么人们喜欢它。

Not my cup of tea, but I I get why people dig it.

是啊。

Yeah.

这是Stonemaier公司的一款游戏，采用开放式概念世界，你努力达成目标，但可能实现也可能不实现，同时还有沙盒元素。

It's the Stonemaier game that's like the open box concept world where you're trying to achieve goals, but maybe, maybe not happen, but also sandbox.

所以可能？

So maybe?

对。

Yeah.

人们喜欢沙盒游戏。

People people like a sandbox.

他们确实热爱沙盒游戏。

They do love a sandbox.

我总以为自己喜欢沙盒游戏，但一玩起来就...

And I always think I like a sandbox and then I play it.

我其实觉得挺无聊的。

I'm like, I'm actually bored.

所以因为这个原因我没选这款，之前的两三款像《第七大陆》这类大型开放游戏，我都觉得玩起来没意思。

So I did not pick this one up for that reason because the last two or three of these, like, Seventh Continent and like all those big sprawling things, I'm like, not having fun with this.

但我理解为什么人们喜欢它。

But I get why people like it.

有人向我解释过这些游戏的乐趣所在，我确实能理解。

Like, people it's been explained to me why they're fun and I get it.

只是不适合我。

Not for me.

最后是排名第一的，虽然只领先一分，《Flamecraft Duels》，又回到了超轻量级的路线。

And then finally, the top one, I guess, but just by one, eighty four, Flamecraft Duels, going back the other way to the super lightness.

对。

Right.

是的。

Yeah.

梅根和威尔，我们三个人在这个展位周围徘徊了，

Megan and Will, the three of us kind of, like, hovered around this booth for,

我

I

大概四十五分钟，想试试这个游戏。

know, like, forty five minutes trying to get a try at this game.

但我们没成功。

And we were not successful.

没。

No.

没。

No.

它

It

非常受欢迎。

was very popular.

是啊。

Yeah.

没错。

Yeah.

我我当时都不知道那是什么。

I I didn't know what it was.

我直到PAX展会前几周才知道有这么个东西。

I only knew it existed, like, a couple weeks before PAX.

后来在PAX现场终于见到时，我就想，哦这完全不是一回事嘛。

And then when I finally saw it at PAX, I'm like, oh, this is not the same at all.

这就像个抽象叠叠乐游戏。

This is like an abstract stacking game.

对。

Yes.

根据我对《火焰工艺》的了解——我只玩过一次但很喜欢——它看起来不像同系列游戏，不过确实挺有意思的。

Based on, like, what I know of Flamecraft, which I played one time and really enjoy, it didn't look like a game that would be in the same family or, like, the But same I you know, looked interesting, certainly.

是啊。

Yeah.

我是说，它有着同样精美的美术设计。

I mean, it's got the same artwork, which is beautiful.

关于双人游戏——Flamecraft在双人模式下表现不错。

Two player the thing about Flamecraft is it plays fine at two players.

实际上我只玩过双人模式。

I've only played it with two players, actually.

我和我女儿一起玩过这个游戏。

I played it with my daughter.

他们一对一玩了大概有五六次，体验很棒。

They played, like, half a dozen times one on one, and it plays great.

所以我在想，如果是双人版本，他们会做出哪些不同设计？

I so when I was like, two player version, what would they do differently?

哦，这完全是个不同的游戏。

Oh, it's a completely different game.

我明白了。

I get it.

看起来你是想把这些不同的板块排列起来，以匹配你卡片上的图案。嗯。

And it seems like you're trying to line up these different tiles to match the patterns on your cards Mhmm.

这很简单，也是我喜欢的。

Which is simple, which is what I like too.

有时候他们做的双人版本实际上会更复杂，这

Sometimes they do the two player version, it actually ends up being more complicated, which

我其实好奇他们有没有单人版本。

I actually wonder if they have, like, a single player version.

因为这看起来像是我也会单人玩的游戏。

Because that seems like something I would do single player also.

或者它让我想起手机应用里的游戏，就像我会下载并在乘公交上班路上玩的那种。

Or it reminds me of, like, a phone app, like, game that I would download and, like, play, like, on my, you know, bus ride into work.

没错。

Right.

就是移动瓷砖之类的，你知道的。

Just tile moving and, like, you know.

是啊。

Yeah.

没错。

Yeah.

完全同意。

Totally.

我我我深有同感。

I I I feel that.

它确实有单人模式。

It does have a solo mode.

哇。

Wow.

所以

So

老实说，光是冲着单人模式我就会买它。

I would I would buy it just for the solo mode, honestly.

虽然我还没玩过，但光是单人模式的概念，就值得我为这个入手。

Having having not played it at all yet, just the concept of the solo mode, I would get it just for that.

是啊。

Yeah.

我确实给我女儿买了一盒，但它现在在圣诞礼物堆里，所以我暂时还玩不了

I did pick up a copy for my daughter, but it's it's on the Christmas pile, so I won't get

要等上几

to play it for a few

周。

more weeks.

不过确实很吸引我

But did strike Well, me

它真的很棒。

it's really nice.

希望她不会听这个播客。

I hope she doesn't listen to this podcast.

确实如此。

That's true.

我会发现我的两个孩子都在听。

I'll find out both my kids listen.

就像，呃哦。

Like, uh-oh.

不。

No.

当我们坐在展位时，让我印象深刻的一点是，感觉很像我们在打造另一个火焰工艺系列的游戏。

When we were sitting at the booth, one of the things that did strike me about it was it felt a lot like we're making another game in the Flamecraft brand.

对。

Right.

比起为两人设计的火焰工艺，更像是我们在扩展这个品牌，因为我也想过，我既和两个人玩过，也和六个人玩过。

Much more than, like, we are making Flamecraft for two people because I had the same thought of I played it with two people and with, like, six.

而且，你知道，就像是，好吧，就是那种感觉，比如你会怎么做呢？

And, you know, it's like, okay, it's that kind of thing, like, how would you make it that way?

没错。

Right.

然后我们在展位上的经历更加坚定了我的想法。

And then our experience at the booth is kind of reinforced that for me.

完全同意。

Totally.

完全同意。

Totally.

是啊。

Yeah.

这确实是个棘手的问题，因为有些公司就会这么做。

It that's a it's a tricky thing because some companies will do that.

他们会说，我们就保留这个品牌，然后基于这个品牌开发一个新游戏。

And they're like, let's just keep the brand and we'll make a new game on that brand.

然后那款新游戏很糟糕，反而损害了这个品牌。

And then that new game is bad and you make the brand worse.

是啊。

Yeah.

比如《幽港迷城》就这么做了。

Like, Gloomhaven did that.

《郊区大地》也这么做了。

Suburbia did that.

还有几个例子，我现在一时想不起来。

There's a couple others, like, still in my still in my mind right now.

但偶尔他们这么做时，结果却出乎意料地好，不仅丰富了品牌，还逐渐建立起一套以这种视觉风格为主的游戏系列。

But and then occasionally, they do that, and it's like, actually, this is great, and it adds to the brand, and now we're building up this catalog of, you know, games that are doing fun things with this visual style.

而且你知道吗？

So and you know what?

他们的展位人气爆棚。

Their booth was hopping.