斯泰西·施罗德：一个自豪的普通女孩（FBF）

为什么要花钱？

Why are spending money?

为什么要买国定假日？

Why are you buying national holidays?

这感觉如出一辙。

That's giving the same energy.

等等，我能直接说‘是’吗？

Wait, can I just say Yes?

所以你在米兰的时候，是为了普拉达去的。

So when you were in Milan, you were there for Prada.

是的。

Yes.

对吧？

Right?

我刚和我的化妆师聊过这个。

I was just talking to my hair and makeup person about this.

Alex和Prada的组合简直是天作之合，氛围和关系都超棒。

I was Alex and Prada is such a good mix and vibe and relationship.

你真是Prada的完美代言人，希望这种合作能持续下去。

You are such a good Prada girly, so I hope that that Keeps going.

希望这种合作能持续发展并壮大，因为我完全没想到会这么成功

That keeps going and just builds into something bigger because that was like I would not have thought that

我也没想到。

Neither.

直到我看到你的照片。

Until I saw your photo.

我也是，Sassy。

Me neither, Sassy.

因为我平时看你都很随意，但看到你的造型后我立刻觉得：就是她了。

Because I just see you just being casual and everything but then I saw you in your looks and I'm like, yes.

真的很感谢你这么说，因为说实话我当时很紧张，我自己也从没想过会和哪个时尚品牌最合拍。

I really appreciate that because I will say I was nervous because I too never envisioned like what fashion house would I like jive with the most.

是啊。

Yeah.

当我遇到普拉达的那一刻，感觉特别契合，我其实感到非常舒适自信——要知道我参加这类活动从来都他妈没自信过，因为我总觉得自己是个冒牌货，平时根本不穿这些玩意儿。

And when I found the Prada moment, it felt so mean and I actually felt so comfortable and confident which like I never fucking going into these type of events feel confident because I'm like I'm a poser, I don't wear this shit all the time.

没错。

Yeah.

但现在普拉达，我开始自己买普拉达的东西了，感觉如果我要盛装打扮，普拉达就是最适合我的选择。

But now Prada, I've started to like buy my own shit from Prada and be like I actually feel like if I'm dressing up Prada feels right for me.

确实如此。

No, it does.

非常合身。

Really fit well.

我超爱这种感觉。

I loved it.

这是我在《日落豪宅》里学到的冷知识，不知道是否适用于所有女性，所以得问问你。

This is like a really random fact that I learned on selling Sunset and I don't know if it's true for every woman so I need to ask you this.

好的。

Okay.

在《日落豪宅》里，有个第一次怀孕的孕妇。

On selling Sunset, there was a woman that's pregnant and it was her first time being pregnant.

对。

Right.

她向其他妈妈请教建议，那位妈妈说，顺便告诉你，姑娘，怀孕到一定阶段后就不能修剪下面了。

And she was asking advice from other moms and the other mom was like, oh by the way girl, yeah you can't shave your v after like a certain amount of time.

不行，我看不见，只能凭感觉乱来。

No I can't see, I go rogue.

真的，就像今早我就是随便弄的。

No literally like this morning I just I guess.

你就瞎猜着来。

You just guess.

我真的是靠手感摸索，心想差不多得了。

I literally feel around and I'm like okay.

好的，这很有用，原来你真的看不见，但那位女士说她干脆就不碰它。

Okay that's good to know so you actually can't see it but then that woman was like so I just didn't touch it.

我觉得那样我会很痒，然后她又说或者让你男朋友帮你弄。

Think it'd be way too itchy for me and then she was like or have your man do it.

哦不，我不信任任何人...不，我不放心让他拿剃刀，听起来就不舒服。

Oh no, I don't trust any No, I don't trust him with a razor, that just does not sound enjoyable.

不行，到某个阶段就看不见了，你只能靠感觉摸索。

No, you can't see at a certain point, you just have to feel for it.

是啊，我不能留长，实在太痒了。

Yeah, I can't grow it out, it's way too itchy.

没错，我也是这么想的，就算因为肚子太大看不见下面，你至少会自己处理，但不会剃得精光，只是修到让你不觉得痒的程度。

Right, because that's what I was thinking, like at least if you can't see your vagina over the belly, you're at least gonna go rogue but you're not getting it completely bald, you're just getting it down to a place where you're comfortable that you're not itchy.

我是想尽量弄干净，但只能尽力而为

I mean I try to get it but I try to do it

我也是。

as well.

你会觉得什么都看不见

And you're like you can't see

操。

shit.

我他妈啥都看不见。

I can't see shit.

我是说我们这么做太久了，确实如此。

I mean we've done it for so long that like That's true.

就像肌肉记忆一样。

It's like muscle memory.

没错，确实有很多女性写信来问能不能教教她们怎么刮毛，我就说姐妹们，我们

No that's true, I do have a lot of women that still write in that are like can you give us a tutorial on how to shave and I'm like girls, let's let's We

真的

got really

很简单。

easy.

就像这个节目，你可以来这里解决很多问题，但我觉得你可以自己查查资料，我们没必要深入讨论。如果你是孕妇在做这件事，而旁边的人不是孕妇，你能明显看出区别，那就慢慢来。

Like this show you can come here for a lot of things but I feel like you can look it up somewhere and we don't need to go that into okay and if you're pregnant doing it, someone with that's not pregnant and you can see that shit, just take your time.

没有借口。

No excuse.

是啊。

Yeah.

好的。

Okay.

你已经写了两本《纽约时报》畅销书。

You have written two New York Times bestsellers.

恭喜。

Congratulations.

谢谢。

Thank you.

你这个小机灵鬼。

You little brainiac over there.

这真的很令人兴奋。

It is really exciting.

当我听到它，当听到别人这么说时，我心想：天啊。

When I hear it, when I hear other people say it, I'm like, God.

我们都深受冒名顶替综合征的困扰。

We all suffer from imposter syndrome.

我觉得我们所有人都是这样。

I feel like all of us.

我们确实都是如此。

We all do.

因为就像，嗯，如果我不上节目就不会有这些，巴拉巴拉巴拉...

Because it's like, well, I wouldn't have that if I wasn't on the show and blah blah blah blah.

如果这件事没发生，我也不会有那些。

And I wouldn't have that if this didn't happen.

但你知道，不，那真的他妈太酷了。

But like, you know, no, that's really fucking cool.

是啊。

Yeah.

不，这真的很酷。

It's No, it is really cool.

而且我觉得你已经完成两本了，这也很了不起。

And I think it's also amazing that you've done two now.

嗯，我现在正在写第三本。

Well, I'm working on my third right now.

是的。

Yeah.

等等，你写一本书要花多长时间？

Wait, how long does it take you to write a book?

很长时间。

A long time.

光是提案我就写了六个月。

I worked on the proposal six months.

我花了六个月时间，但第二本书的情况并非如此。

Six months I worked and it wasn't like that for my second book.

其实我的第一本书写得快得多。

And like my first book actually came a lot quicker to me also.

这第三本更难写，因为我真的在尝试改变写作方式，必须围绕一个核心论点展开，然后所有内容都由此延伸。

This third one, it's harder because I'm really trying to be the way that I write, it's like I have to be specific about with one thesis and then everything spiders from that.

我一直在纠结，当时有点找不到那个核心点。

And I'm just like struggling I was struggling a little bit with what that was.

所以光是提案就花了我很长时间。

So it took me a really long time just to do the proposal.

我想说的是，好莱坞有太多人只写了一本书就销声匿迹了。

Well, I was gonna say like, I think there's so many people in Hollywood that have like that one book and they're like peace out.

我就想说'我写过书'而已。

I just wanted to say I wrote a book.

显然你是真心喜欢写作这件事。

Clearly you really like doing this.

哦不，我超爱写作的，这就是我写第一本书的初衷——我想把它做成一本手册，这样如果我想继续写下去，主题可以随时变换。

Oh no, I love it and that's why I started for the first one, was like I want it to be a handbook so that if I wanted to keep going, the theme could change.

所以它始终会是某个主题的《基础入门手册》。

So it's always still a basic bitch handbook to something.

具体内容取决于我生活中发生的事情。

It's just depending on what's going on in my life.

这主意太棒了，不过我现在想玩个游戏。

It's such a good idea until I wanna play a game.

好的。

Okay.

那么关于《基础入门手册》这个主题，第一个问题显然是：你能帮我们解析一下'Chewy'和'基础款'之间的区别吗？或者说这两者真的有区别吗？

So the whole like basic bitch handbook clearly, first question is can you help us all decipher what is the difference or is there a difference between Chewy and basic?

好的。

Okay.

嗯，个人觉得...好吧。

Well, personally Okay.

我的

What I

我觉得Chewy有点让人尴尬。

I think Chewy is kind of cringe.

就像是，你知道的，那种让人尴尬的衣服或者尴尬的东西，我也说不清楚。

It's like, you know, like cringe clothing or cringe, you know, things that I don't know.

Chewgie身上有种令人尴尬的特质。

There's a cringe element to Chewgie.

我个人认为，任何所谓基础的东西，就是对你真正热爱的事物毫无保留地投入。

I personally think that anything that's basic, it's just like leaning in so hard to something that you really love and doing that unapologetically.

就像如果你真的喜欢浪漫喜剧或者真实犯罪纪录片，然后全身心投入其中，别人会说'天啊，你也太基础了'。

It's like if you really love rom coms or if you really love Murder Docs and just leaning in and it's like, oh God, you're so basic.

但这让我快乐。

But it makes me happy.

它给我带来欢乐。

It brings me joy.

全身心投入那些真正给你带来快乐的事，毫不在乎别人的眼光

It's leaning into the things that really bring you joy and not giving a fuck

不管它是否时髦

if it's what's cool.

对我来说，'基础款'更像是一种永恒的状态——虽然很多人都在用，但正因如此才成就了它的经典

Basic to me kind of is a timeless situation where basic also means that a lot of people though are doing it and it's just something that kind of is timeless.

没错，这些东西流行是有原因的

Yeah and there's a reason those things are popular.

因为它们让人感觉良好，或是带来快乐，或者天知道——它们他妈的就是能点燃快乐

Because they feel good or they make you happy or I don't know they fucking spark joy.

所以我要说：我爱当个俗人

So saying I love being basic.

圣诞老人附体了属于是

Santa over here.

你就像在说：'我能说这话，但你不可以，亚历克斯'

You're like, I can say it, you can't say it, Alex.

好的，我们在玩游戏

Okay, we're playing a game.

你要告诉我这个算不算基础款

You're gonna tell me if it's basic or not.

好

Okay.

你也可以直接告诉我你对这个话题的看法

And also you can just give me your thoughts on the topic in itself.

第一题：阿佩罗橙光

Okay, number one, Aperol spritz.

你他妈居然说这是最基础的

Are you fucking that's the most basic.

不，这是我最爱的

No, it's my favorite

饮品

drink in

全世界都喜欢。

the whole world.

我每天都渴望喝它，这就是怀孕最糟糕的部分。

I crave it every day, that's the worst part of pregnancy.

最糟糕的是我不能每天无节制地喝阿佩罗橙光。

The worst part is that I can't have multiple Aperol spritzes all day every day.

老兄，我让Bo给我调酒，所以我打算喝三口，然后真的在嘴里含得越久越好。

Dude, I make Bo make them, so I'm like, I'm gonna have three sips, and I literally swish it around my mouth for as long as I can.

吐出来？

Spit it out?

不，我咽下去了。

No, I swallow it.

哦，好吧。

Oh, okay.

就像我的宝宝能喝几口阿佩罗橙光，但我真的会含在嘴里含着

It's like my baby can handle a few sips of an Aperol spritz, but like I literally swish it and hold it in there and

我就觉得，哦，这感觉真不错。

I'm like, oh, that felt good.

这感觉真好。

That feels good.

感觉太棒了，我超爱它们，虽然有人认为它们很普通，但我觉得它们很棒。

That feels So I love them so much and I think people consider them basic, but I think they're great.

所以这很棒。

So that's great.

好的。

Okay.

跟我一起准备视频。

Get ready with me videos.

天啊。

Oh my god.

所以我之前不知道这是什么。

So I didn't know what this was.

我是TikTok的忠实粉丝。

And I'm a big TikTok fan.

好的。

Okay.

好吗？

Okay?

好的。

Okay.

突然之间，我到处都看到g r w m这几个字母。

And all of a sudden I just kept seeing g r w m.

到处都是M，我当时就想，成熟女性？

M everywhere and I was like, grown woman?

我当时的反应真的是：大家到底在写什么成熟女性？

I literally was like, what the fuck is everybody writing Grown Woman?

这到底是什么意思？

Like what is this stuff?

因为并非所有'跟我一起准备'的视频都千篇一律，它们不全是化妆内容。

Because not all Get Ready With Me videos look the same, they weren't all makeup.

有些视频是关于挑选服装的，所以一开始并没有固定主题。

Some of them are like picking outfits so like there was no theme right away.

而且大多数

And most of the

时候是由女性拍摄的。

time it's a woman doing it.

没错。

Yes.

所以我以为'成熟女性'是主题氛围，大概花了几个月才意识到这其实是'跟我一起准备'。关键是——我试拍了一个。

So like I thought grown woman was the vibe and like it took me like a few months to realize I feel like that it was get ready with me and this is the thing, I tried one.

我三周前发布了一个，效果如何？

I put one out like three weeks ago and How'd it do?

我觉得年轻人们很喜欢它。

I feel like the kids loved it.

真的吗？

Really?

不过我得说，大家都在评论说像是2016年的风格。

Although I will say, everyone was commenting being like, twenty sixteen.

不是吧。

No.

我就想，等等，我本来是想做个尝试的。

And I'm like, oh wait, I was trying to do a thing.

你知道，我真的很想拍个'跟我一起准备'的视频，结果大家都在说这太怀旧了。

You know, I was really trying to do a get ready with me and everyone's like, this is so nostalgic.

你化妆的方式像2016年。

You do your makeup like it's 2016.

但我觉得，因为这对我很有效啊。

But I'm like, that's because it works for me.

对吧，谁在乎呢？

Right, who cares?

至少你没有试图假装自己不属于这个时代。

At least you're not trying to pretend you're in a generation you're not.

是啊，把粉底液直接滴在脸上，我实在受不了那种方式。

Yeah, putting the foundation, letting it drop on your face and like I can't fuck with that.

每次看到别人在化妆视频里直接把液体滴在脸上，我都觉得难以接受。

Like it kills me every get ready with me that I see that people are just dropping the liquid on their face.

对吧。

Right.

这样一点都不吸引人。

It's so not appealing.

等等，那你是怎么做的？

Wait, how do you do it?

别那么做

Don't do it

你是说你会直接滴吗

like Are telling me you drop it

在你脸上？不，我没有，我只是好奇，你是怎么做的？

on your No, I don't, I don't, I'm just interested, like how do you do it?

好吧，我拿出粉底液，倒一些在锡盒里，然后用工具

Okay, well I take my foundation and I have a tin and I pour some out and then I use In

用手吗？

your hand?

不，倒在锡盒上

No, on a tin.

哦，锡盒

Oh, tin.

然后我用刷子或海绵，就像正常人那样

And then I use a brush or a sponge and like a normal fucking person and then

完成这个步骤

do the damn thing.

你觉得他们是不是发现了什么我们不知道的窍门？

Do you think they're on to something that we don't know though?

不。

No.

我也不知道。

I don't either.

我觉得她们只是无聊了，在现有的化妆方法已经够用的情况下，硬要发明新花样。

I think they're bored and I think that they're just coming up with new ways to do makeup when like what works already is there.

所以我不理解。

So like I don't get it.

你居然以为那是成熟女性。

The fact that you thought that it was grown woman.

成熟女性。

Grown woman.

不，听着亚历克斯，我也收到很多评论说别人也这么想。

No, listen Alex, I also got a lot of comments from people being like I thought the same thing.

所以有很多千禧一代女性都以为那是成熟女性。

So there are lots of millennial women out there who are thinking that it is grown woman.

我明白了。

I get it.

GRWM，成熟女性。

GRWM, grown woman.

怎么会有人自动理解为'和我一起准备'呢？

How would anyone just automatically know, get ready with me?

GR这两个字母哪里让你联想到'成熟'了？

What about GR makes you think grown?

很好我喜欢，我觉得这样更有趣。

Good I like it, I think it's funnier.

我觉得我们应该开始倾向这种说法，比如'成熟女性视频马上为你呈现'。

I think we should start leaning in and be like grown woman video coming right at you.

好的TomTom。

Okay TomTom.

基础款？

Basic?

不普通。

Not basic.

你知道吗，我还是要说我觉得这很普通。

You know what, I'm gonna say but I think it's basic.

但我其实很喜欢普通的东西。

But like, I love things that are basic.

但说真的，没有什么比把《范德普规则》具象化成酒吧形式更普通的了。

But like, you can't get any more basic than like the representation of Vanderpump Rules in bar form.

你会去那里吗？

You Do you go there?

我不太去，因为去那里等于是在求关注。

I don't really because I'm asking for attention if I go there.

你懂我意思吗？

Do you know what I mean?

我真的很喜欢那里，如果是有人过生日我就会去，所以我是为了别人才去的。

Like, I really love it, and I'll go there if it's someone's birthday, so I'm going for someone's Yeah.

你明白我的意思吗？

You know I mean?

但如果我去那里，所有人都会拍照，我就觉得不行。

But if I go there, everyone's gonna take photos, and and I'm like No.

我才不要。

I'm not.

你说得对。

You're right.

我理解。

I get it.

明白。

Get it.

Ozempic（一种糖尿病药物）。

Ozempic.

天啊。

Oh my god.

等等，我真的想尝试

Wait till like, I really wanna try

等我生完孩子再试

it when I give birth.

你就像，我现在就想用，但我怀孕了，所以不行。

You're like, I wanna go on it now, but I am pregnant, so I'm gonna No.

这个数量

The amount of

我研究过很多次，我觉得它是安全健康的。

times I've researched this being like, I mean, I think it's safe and healthy.

我觉得它对你有好处。

Like, I think it's good for you.

就像吃维生素一样。

It's like taking vitamins.

斯塔西。

Stasi.

我们该怎么加免责声明？

I how do we put a disclaimer?

比如，本播客中提到的内容

Be like, nothing that

在医学上均未经证实。

was said in this podcast medically.

请勿轻信这些言论。

Please do not listen to this.

但是拜托，

But like, come on.

这很基本啊。

It's basic.

每个听说Ozempic的人都会他妈的好奇吧。

Anyone who hears about Ozempic has to fucking be curious.

你要是说自己从没想过这事，那绝对是在撒谎。

You are a liar if you tell me that you have not thought about it.

想过要跟风尝试一下。

Thought about jumping on the train.

我是说你不必需要它，不是说不行。

I I mean that you don't need it, don't mean No.

就像你应该考虑一下。

Like You're like you should think about it.

不行。

No.

我明白你的意思。

I get what you're saying.

我觉得这是

I think it's this is

我开始意识到的事情，可能只是随着年龄增长。

what I've started to realize and maybe it's just like with age.

我记得我在这里提过骨汤的事，当时我在想关于格温妮丝的所有争论，大家都在说你这是在提倡不健康的饮食，对普通人来说根本不现实之类的。

Like I remember one of my things on here was bone broth and I was thinking about the all the debate with Gwyneth when everyone was like, you are like promoting bad eating that like for people that's not realistic and whatever.

我就想，大家为什么要在意这些？

And I'm like, why does everyone care?

不。

No.

她并没有说你们只能喝骨汤。

She didn't say to only eat bone broth for you.

她只是实话实说。

She was just being honest.

难道你宁愿听假话吗？

Would you rather lie?

她只是在讲述自己的经历。

She's telling her story.

她真的只是在努力保持透明，这正是大家对公众人物的要求。

She's literally just she's trying to be transparent, is what everybody is asking of people.

请诚实和透明。

Please be honest and transparent.

那么当别人保持透明或诚实时，你就不能对听到的内容生气。

So then you can't get mad about what you hear when someone is being transparent or honest.

所以我有没有谷歌搜索过Ozempic以及它的效果？

So have I Googled Ozempic and what it would be like?

我是否在考虑它？

And am I thinking about it?

是的，我在考虑。

Yes, I am.

因为你刚才提到了骨汤。

Because you were just talking about bone broth.

我怀第一胎时，产后连续六个月晚餐都喝他妈骨汤，我实在不想再来一次了。

My first pregnancy, I ate bone broth for dinner for six fucking months after I gave birth and I kinda don't feel like doing that again.

我很欣赏

I love that for

你这一点。

you.

我就是不想那样。

I'm like I don't want to.

我想要速战速决，我想要奥赛德（Ozempic）。

I want a quickie, I want an Ozempic.

没错。

Yes.

我是奥赛德女孩，不是骨汤女孩。

I'm an Ozempic girl not a bone broth

我们女孩就爱这种坦诚，因为

We girl love that, I love the honesty because that's

我当时就很恼火，觉得人们反应过度了。

what I I got annoyed where I was like, I think people are really getting too triggered.

格温妮丝又没说所有人都该这么做。

Like Gwyneth wasn't like, everyone should do this.

她只是被问到日常饮食，没有假装晚餐吃芝士汉堡，而是如实相告——你本就不必效仿。

She was asked what she eats in a day and instead of being like a cheeseburger for dinner in a day, she just told you, you don't have to do it.

是啊，你没必要这么做。

Yeah, you don't have to do it.

我就想，难道你希望她对你说谎吗？

I'm like, would you want her to lie to you?

然后你就会疑惑，等等，为什么我吃汉堡的时候身材没她好？我想知道格温妮丝也是费了很大功夫的。

And then you're gonna wonder like, wait, why don't I look like this when I'm eating a cheeseburger for I wanna know that it's a struggle for Gwyneth.

我想知道这确实不容易。

I wanna know it's a struggle.

我也是。

Me too.

而且我还想说，人们需要意识到——虽然'影响者'这个词已经泛滥了——但如果你被网上每个影响者严重左右，就该反省自己了。

And I also love, people need to realize, I know the whole world influencer has really taken over, but look inward if you're being really heavily influenced by every single influencer on the internet.

完全同意。

Let's Totally.

直接

Just do a

简单确认一下。

little check.

是的。

Yes.

只是

Just a

简单核对一下。

little check-in.

对自己负责就好。

Just be responsible for yourself.

嗯。

Mhmm.

对自己负责。

Be responsible for yourself.

好的。

Okay.

所以Ozempic。

So Ozempic.

Ozembi。

Ozembi.

好的。

Okay.

所以她准备用Ozempic了。

So she's gonna go on Ozempic.

你要告诉我们效果如何。

You're gonna tell us how it goes.

你会用它的。

You'll go on it.

其他人确实如此。

Someone else Exactly.

没有k。

Doesn't have k.

是的。

Yeah.

然后你会感受到你想要的感受，他们也能感受到他们想要的感受。

And then you're gonna be feel how you wanna feel and they can feel how they wanna feel.

当他们在椭圆机上锻炼时，你会像我一样，看看现在的我。

While they're on the elliptical, you're I'm like, look at me now.

你觉得你会像正在使用它那样去推广它吗？

Do you think do you think you'll be promoting it that like you're on it

还是你不会谈论它？

or you won't talk about it?

我希望自己能成为那种会推广并谈论它的人，因为再次强调，我真的很喜欢别人的坦率和诚实，所以我也想为他人树立这样的榜样。

I would like to to think that I would be somebody that promotes it and talks about it because again, I really do I love when other people are transparent and honest, so I wanna be that for other people.

但是，天啊，人们真的很难应付。

But like, god, people are really hard.

人们真的很难应付。

People are really hard.

类似这样的事情，我是否愿意承受所有即将到来的恶意？唉，现实就是如此。

Things like that, and it's like do I feel like going through all of the hate that I'm gonna get Well, unfortunately.

如果我要诚实面对的话。

If I'm honest about it.

不幸的是，你现在正在Caller Daddy节目上说你要...你知道最糟的情况是什么吗？

Unfortunately, you're on caller daddy right now saying you're gonna You do know what would be the worst?

如果你其实没用Ozempic减肥药，然后去了健身房，结果所有人都觉得'这婊子肯定打了Ozempic'。

If if you actually don't go on Ozempic and you're like And everyone to gym and they're like, that bitch is on Ozempic.

你会说：'不是的，大家听我说'。

You're like, no, guys.

我可能已经彻底把自己坑了。

I'm actually I totally probably just fucked myself.

没错。

Right.

无论如何，他们要么觉得药没效果，要么觉得有效果但你应该通过自然方式减肥。

No matter what, they're all either either like, it's not working or it's working and you could have been doing it like organically.

是啊。

Yeah.

好的，记得随时告诉我们最新进展。

Okay well keep us updated.

你怎么看待显化法则？

What do think about manifesting?

我太普通了，因为我

I'm so basic because I

把生活过得风生水起。

the shit out of life.

我觉得我这辈子都在无意识地显化，只是以前不知道这个概念。我们小时候'显化'这个词还没像现在这样流行。

I think I've naturally been manifesting my whole life and just like not know When we were growing up, manifesting wasn't a word that we like really Yeah.

像我们现在这样使用这个词。

The way that we use it now.

完全同意。

Totally.

但我认为我一直都是这样，我真的非常坚信显化的力量，因为我觉得显化的原理就是：你先设想自己想要的事情会发生，然后不知不觉中你就会开始朝那个方向努力。

But I think that I've always just been that way and I really I really do fucking ride so hard for manifesting because I feel like what works with manifesting is you just envision that the things that you want are gonna happen and then you slowly start working towards those things whether you realize it or not.

确实。

True.

这就是显化，非常简单。

And that is manifesting, it's quite simple.

没错，给我们举个例子。

That's true, okay give us an example.

有什么大事是你显化后突然就实现了的？

What's something like big you manifested and like boom it happened?

我这一生都梦想住在山上的西班牙风格房子里。

My whole entire life I wanted to live in a Spanish style home in the hills.

好的。

Okay.

好的。

Okay.

当我开始看房子时，一切就这么自然而然地发生了，我意识到哇，原来我一直在为这个目标计划和努力，我总把这话挂在嘴边，然后我就想，我本应该许愿更大的——一栋价值1000万美元的好莱坞山庄西班牙风格豪宅，难道我没顺便许愿要个带院子的吗？

And I when it got to the point where I was looking at at houses, like it just so seamlessly happened, and I realized that wow, I had been planning for this and working towards this, and I'd always just said it, and then I was like, I should have manifested bigger, I should have been a $10,000,000 house, Spanish style house in the Hollywood Hills, didn't I manifest a yard attached to that house?

靠。

Fuck.

我明白你的

I get what you're

意思，但好吧，所以你有这个愿景，现在它实现了。

saying but okay so you had this vision and now it's come true.

没错，然后我就开始存钱准备，我接受了这份工作并把钱存起来，开始想着这事一定会成真，所以我得做好准备

Yes, then I saved the money in order, I started or I would accept this job and put that money away to start being like this is gonna happen for me so I need to prepare for it

等它实现时。

when it does.

这有点像过去人们常说的梦想成真。

So kind of like back in the days they would just say a dream you have.

现在我们有了更高级的说法，听起来更积极主动些。

Now we have like a better word that's like a little bit more like proactive.

简直太基础了。

Basic as fuck.

简直太基础了。

Basic as fuck.

好吧。

Okay.

你在看真人秀节目吗？

Are you watching reality TV shows?

嗯，我最近刚开始看《Banner Puffles》。

Well, I've just recently started watching Banner Puffles.

老兄，你难道没在看吗？

Dude were you not watching it?

没有。

No.

那你可就跟不上潮流了。

And then you wouldn't catch up.

然后斯坎威尔事件发生后，我就想着必须得补上进度。

And then once Scanwell happened I was like I gotta catch up.

虽然没补完，但我会的，我已经看了最后三集，所以我在想，我应该补完，我很感兴趣，想看。

Didn't catch up but like I will I've seen the last three episodes so I've been like, I should probably, I'm interested, I wanna see.

那整个戏剧性事件，

That whole drama,

我无法想象这对你有多烦人，因为有多少人想听你的看法？

I can't imagine how annoying it was for you because how many people wanted to hear your take on it?

不，你根本想象不到。

No, you have no idea.

事实上，你说这话很有趣，你能意识到这点。

In fact, it's interesting that you say that, that you can see that.

你能看出这可能很烦人。

That you can see that that would maybe be annoying.

对吧。

Right.

当事情发生时，我常拿这个开玩笑，就像遇到自然灾害或世界大事时，你永远记得那天自己在哪——可能在上班或上学，然后停下手中的事，和同事聚在一起找最近的破电视看。多年后你会说：我永远忘不了当时和谁在一起、在做什么。

When it happened, it's one of those things I joke about this, you know it's like when there's a natural disaster or a world event and you never forget where you were that day and you could be at work or at school and then you stop what you're doing and you get with your coworkers and you find the nearest fucking TV and then years later you're like I'll never forget who I was with and what we were doing.

我对Scandivall就是这种感觉，真的。

That's how I feel about fucking Scandivall, like truly.

我简直无法想象。

I can't imagine.

你当时是什么看法？

Like what was your take?

一开始我觉得这不可能是真的，但后来我开始给认识的人发短信。我的反应和大家一样——天啊这太疯狂了。

Well at first I was just like I don't think that this is real but then I'm like this is I start texting the people that I And know I was like like, I mean, just like I think everyone's the same as everyone's reaction, like holy fuck.

然后我感觉自己突然被拽回远离已久的事情里，但不确定自己是否还有立场参与其中。

And then I was like, I feel like I'm thrown right back into something that I've been away from for so long, but it's like is it my place to be a part of it or is it not my place?

我不知道。

I don't know.

接着就有无数人开始私信我。

And then I have all of these people just DMing me.

我是说，我从未因为任何事情收到过这么多私信，人们都在评论、@我，说什么'需要Stasi来发表意见'、'需要Stasi来评评理'。

I mean I've never been DM'd more about anything than I was about like I'm gonna or commenting and attaching or tagging me in it being like, I'm gonna need Stasi to weigh in, I'm gonna need Stasi to weigh in.

我就想，但我不确定现在是否还该我插手，毕竟我已经离开这么久，要是我突然在Instagram上发个'这是我的看法'，感觉会他妈的很奇怪。

I'm like, but I don't know if it's my place anymore and I've been of this for so long that like, I think it would be kind of fucking weird if I'm going on my Instagram and being like, this is my take on Yeah.

这感觉就像一场精神折磨，说来也怪，毕竟这事压根没发生在我身上。

And it's been kind of like a mind fuck, which is weird to say because it's not even happening to me.

我有点赞同，当时的情况确实很诡异，因为那么多人都在说'操'。

I kind of agree and that's sort of when had on, was like it was actually so weird because the amount of people that were like, fuck.

比如，我们其实挺想让你请Raquel上节目的。

Like, we kinda wanted you to have Raquel on.

我当时就觉得，这也是我为什么这么讨厌互联网——每次我请反派上节目，所有人就叫嚣着要封杀。

And I was like, this is why I also hate the Internet so much because whenever I have villains on the show, everyone's like canceled.

我不请他们吧，观众又生气。

When I don't have them on, then they're pissed.

请了他们吧，观众还是生气，随便吧。

But when I have them on, they're pissed, whatever.

但你曾经喜欢过汤姆·桑多瓦尔吗？

But did you ever like Tom Sandoval?

没有。

No.

我是说，

I mean,

他也从没喜欢过我。

and he never liked me.

这就是问题所在。

And that's the thing.

我要说，没参加上一季节目，感觉我的才华

Will say this, not being on this last season, it's like my talents

被浪费了，因为这本该是我大展身手的时候

were wasted because I could've you know, this was when I could've really just like given

然后就可以说，我早就知道。

and it to been like, I've always knew.

对，对。

Right, right.

大家肯定在他身上看到了什么，但我觉得他一直都是个卑鄙小人。

There's gotta be something that everyone is seeing in him but like he, I feel like has always been a slime ball.

你这么说很有意思，因为我一直觉得他很受大家喜爱。

Well that's interesting that you say that just because I felt like he was always so beloved.

所以我甚至会对制片人说，他什么时候才能得到我们其他人眼中的那种剪辑效果？

And so, and I would even, I would say to my producers, I'm like, when is he gonna get the edit that I feel like the rest of us see?

嗯哼。

Uh-huh.

就是，

Like,

为什么他总是能逃脱惩罚，装作一个只想给予和帮助别人的好人？

why does he keep getting away with being just this dude who just wants to give people things and help people out, man, and all of that.

我觉得我看到的情况根本不是这样。

I'm like, that's not what I'm seeing.

我看到的是一个不断把责任推给别人、总是翻旧账、不停转移话题的人。

I'm seeing somebody who's constantly blaming others for things and dredging things up from the past and just deflecting constantly.

如果我们其他人看起来很糟糕，那他就显得很好——我一直有这种感觉。

If the rest of us look bad then he looks good I've always felt that way.

所以没错，这季我没参加，感觉真他妈糟。

So yeah, fact that I'm not on it this season, it's like fuck.

你想念真人秀吗？

Do you miss reality TV?

有时候我会想念真人秀，比如我喜欢拍摄，那是我二十多岁时的全部生活。我喜欢那种团队精神，爱我的制作人、团队和演员们，那很有趣。

I miss reality TV at times, like I loved filming, I love, that was, it was like all my twenties were spent doing that and you know I love the camaraderie of it and I loved all my producers and the team and the cast, like it's fun.

没错。

Right.

真的很有趣。

It's really fun.

但你知道，离开这么久后我发现，节目成功与否直接取决于演员之间互相伤害的程度，这感觉很奇怪。

But you know, there's something about being out of it for so long and I watched it like the success of a show is like directly tied to how badly the cast hurts each other and that like feels weird.

我同意，我觉得这正是我们现在纠结的问题——因为有社交媒体的存在，看这类节目变得复杂了。

I agree it's like I think that's something that we're struggling with now is like watching it because there is social media.

我觉得人们现在更难真正选出一个反派角色了，因为这事变得很诡异——那个人的生活在社交媒体上真的会被毁掉，人们会被封杀，甚至收到死亡威胁。而过去你根本见不到这些人，只会觉得‘哇，这节目真精彩’。

I feel like people are having a harder time like actually choosing a villain because it's also weird of like but then that person's life is actually ruined on social media and people are getting canceled and people are getting death threats where like back in the day, you kinda like never saw the people and it was like, woah, that was a great show.

但现在情况有点像是，人们必须精心算计才能搞砸一切，而且人们会为了毁掉彼此的生活做到什么程度？这是真实的吗？老实说我不知道。

Where now it's like a little bit like, oh, people have to be really calculated to fuck shit up and like how how far are people going to ruin each other's lives and is it honest, is it real, like I don't know.

是啊，当你仔细想想，这事真的挺阴暗的。

Yeah, it's like when you really think about it, it's fucking dark.

对，我感觉——

Right, like I feel

我觉得你现在已经过上了脱离那个圈子的美好生活，与其深陷其中，不如怀念过去，看看现在都变成什么样了

like there's a I think you have a good life now outside of it and it's almost better to be nostalgic for it than be still in it and like look what's happening

现在。

right now.

不，我也这么想。你知道总有人问我‘你会回归真人秀吗？会回到《范德普规则》吗？’之类的问题。我总觉得...或许将来某天我会觉得‘是时候了，这种真人秀适合现在的我’，能真实反映我的生活状态。

No I think so too because I think you know obviously I get asked all the time like would you go back to reality TV, would you go back to Vanderpump Rules, all that stuff and I'm like I don't I you know there might come a time when I'm like oh makes sense, this type of reality TV makes sense for me or whatever and this is a reflection on what really my life is like.

是啊。

Yeah.

你知道这可能比你习惯看到的要平淡一些。

You know it might be a little more boring than what you're used to seeing.

没错，但至少更真实，不用再去刻意塑造那个人设了。

Right but it's at least a little bit more authentic where you're not having to like really create that character again.

是啊。

Yeah.

但我不想让家人再次陷入那种成功建立在互相伤害之上的处境。

But I don't think I'd wanna put my family in a position to be in something where again the success is tied to how much you can hurt each other.

那真的不是一个健康的状态。

And I just don't It's not like a healthy place to be.

对人际关系也不好。

Like it's not good on relationships.

你可以

You can be

在最牢固的关系中。

in the strongest relationship.

我是说，如果你仔细想想，《范德普规则》就像是看谁在背叛谁？

I mean if you think about it, it's like Vanderpump rules is like who's betraying who?

谁在欺骗谁？

Who's cheating on who?

谁在耍心机？

Who's being shady?

有时候他们甚至会编造从未发生过的事情，把这种压力加在关系上，如果还有孩子的话，我真的不确定这对我是最健康的选择。

And like sometimes they, you know, things are invented that never even happen and so to put that stress on a relationship and then if you have children on top of that, I'm just not sure that that's the healthiest thing for me.

我确实怀念那种日子。

I do miss it.

不，真的怀念。

No, I do.

明白吗？某种程度上真人秀应该适龄观看，因为你的生活本身就已经够混乱有毒了。

Get it like it's almost like reality TV to a certain age should be appropriate because you actually your life is toxic and chaotic.

第一季的时候，你简直是以最棒的方式放飞自我，口无遮拦，但我在二十出头时和男友们相处也是这样。

Season one, it was like you were so like in the best way unhinged and like saying shit but like I was like that with my boyfriends when I was in my late like early twenties.

然后我觉得到某个年纪后，你就会发现这简直是在毁掉自己的人生

Then I think when you get to a certain age it's like, you're just fucking your life up

是啊。

Yeah.

为了镜头。

For camera.

没错。

Yes.

对。

Yeah.

没有什么比听到别人夸我'Alex，你闻起来真香'更让我开心的了。

There is nothing that makes me happier than when I get a compliment from someone and they say, Alex, you smell delicious.

懂吗？

Okay?

我是说，还有什么比被人夸好闻更棒的事吗？

I mean, is there anything better than someone telling you you smell good?

没有。

No.

想知道我用的是什么吗？

And you wanna know what I'm wearing?

你早就知道我用什么了。

You already know what I'm wearing.

圣罗兰美妆。

Yves Saint Laurent beauty.

好。

Okay.

走吧。

Let's go.

如果你在寻找一款引人注目的新香水，圣罗兰经典的Lieb系列正是你梦寐以求的——让你成为焦点，展现最自信的一面。

If you are looking for a new statement fragrance, Yves Saint Laurent's iconic Lieb collection is everything you've been looking for to turn heads and feel your most confident.

香草调香水正风靡一时，而圣罗兰的Lee Vanille Couture是其中最佳之选。

The vanilla fragrances are all the rage, and Yves Saint Laurent's Lee Vanille Couture is the best one out there.

听我说，爸爸帮的各位。

Listen to me, daddy gang.

这是Leeb首款限量版香水。

It's Leeb's first ever limited edition fragrance.

它甜美又大胆，融合了浓郁香草鱼子酱、朗姆利口酒、纯正薰衣草和橙花精华。

It's sweet yet bold with rich vanilla caviar, rum liqueur, absolute lavender, and orange blossom.

这是最令人陶醉的Liebe版本。

The most delectable version of Liebe.

当然，原版Liebe淡香精也从不让人失望。

Of course, the original Liebe eau de parfum never misses either.

其标志性香调融入了薰衣草与橙花。

Its iconic fragrance is infused with lavender and orange blossom.

这是最适合日常使用的绝妙温暖花香调，你们之前听我介绍过。

It's the most amazing warm floral for every day, which you've heard me talk about.

但老爹帮的各位，这就是你们的信号。

But daddy gang, this is your sign.

懂了吗？

Okay?

利布香草高级定制款。

Lieb Vanilla Couture.

砰。

Boom.

这就对了。

Here we go.

你肯定想闻起来棒极了，现在机会来了。

You are gonna wanna be smelling amazing, and there you go.

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你现在还和剧组里的哪些人是朋友？

Who are you friends with still from the cast?

凯蒂是我在世界上最好的朋友之一。

Well, Katie's one of my best friends in the world.

她是哈特福德的教母。

She's Hartford's godmother.

她曾是我的伴娘，我现在和拉拉依然很亲近。

She was my maid of honor and I'm still really close with La la.

说实话，我和制片人相处的时间比大多数人都多。

And honestly the producers, like I hang out with the producers more than most people.

他们是我最亲密的朋友。

Like they're some of my closest friends.

真的吗？

Really?

是啊。

Yeah.

和他们一起出去玩却很少谈论这件事，感觉挺奇怪的。

It's so weird to like be hanging out with them and we kinda don't talk about it that much.

是啊

Yeah.

你知道

You know

我的意思吗？

what I mean?

就像节目那部分，但现在既然《Scan them All》播出了，我们聊这个就多多了，我想。

Like the show part of it but now that like Scan them All's happened, we talk about it a lot more, I guess.

你对汤姆在网上遭受这么多仇恨怎么看？

How do you feel about how much hate Tom is getting online?

我的意思是，显然我曾经也处于一个收到大量仇恨的位置，我不喜欢我们社会现在这种用仇恨来惩罚人的状态。

I mean, obviously I've been in a position where I've received so much hate before and that's I don't like where we're at in society where that's how we punish people.

这就像是在情感上对人处以极刑。

It's like emotionally beheading people.

是啊。

Yeah.

你懂我意思吗？

You know what I mean?

又该由谁来决定惩罚应该是什么？

And who's to decide what the punishment should be?

谁赋予某人这种裁决权？

Who makes someone the authority on that?

凭什么让电脑前这个人来决定他认为汤姆该承受多少仇恨？

What makes this person on their computer the authority on on what they think is enough hate for him to receive?

对吧。

Right.

我不认同这种做法。

I don't get down with that.

说真的，我非常反感这样。

Like, I really I don't like it.

我喜欢汤姆·桑多瓦尔吗？

Like, do I like Tom Sandoval?

不喜欢。

No.

我认为他的所作所为确实令人作呕，这种人渣活该，但现在我感觉自己也在推波助澜——网络上那些言论

Do I think what he did is disgusting and like fuck him but see now I feel like I'm even adding to it like There's the online

某种程度上，如果有人问起你可以谈论这事，朋友之间讨论也无可厚非。但那些专门跑去他照片下留言'快去死吧恶心货'的人，我们和他们一样恶劣。

a level of like if you're being asked about it you can talk about it and I think everyone with their friends can talk about it but I do think there's level of we're just as bad of people that are going out of their way to comment on his photos or something and be like go fucking kill yourself you're so disgusting.

那种行为...我们作为群体就不该那么做。

That, it's like that no one let's just not do that as a group of people.

当年你爸出轨导致你们家庭破裂时，你恐怕都没对他放过这么狠的话吧？

You probably didn't say that fully to even your dad when he cheated on your mom and you guys have a divorced family now.

太多人经历过类似的背叛伤痛，这确实很糟糕。但我们并不认识当事人，虽然他们公开了私生活，可跑到他家蹲守或恶意留言？和朋友在群里吐槽是一回事，但刻意攻击只会让人陷入重度抑郁——

There's so many people that have gone through sadly something very similar like cheating, affairs, that and it's awful but we don't know these people so yes they've put their lives out there for us but like at what point is it like talk shit to your friends in your group chat but to actually make an effort to like go wait outside of his house or to go make comments it's like let's And at some point that is how people become incredibly depressed

最终产生轻生念头。如果真酿成悲剧，我们该如何自处？

and then suicidal and it's like how would we all react if we knew that's how It ended.

确实。

Yes.

这怎么...就是不对。

How what it just it's not right.

你当年显然和我们所有人一样，二十出头时和现在坐在这里的状态完全不同。

You were obviously so different back in the day as we all are of like in your early twenties versus where you're sitting now.

在剧里你大概是我最喜欢的角色之一，因为今早我重温片段时还在和朋友说，我要和你坐下来聊聊——没人比Stasi更经典了，她那些暴怒失忆的戏码在屏幕上看起来就像'我他妈就是恶魔本魔'。

On the show you were probably one of my favorite characters because it was like I was watching a scene this morning, I was trying to I was like telling my friend I was gonna sit down with you, I'm like no you don't understand like no one was more iconic than Stasi like she would go into these like rage blackouts basically that looked like it on screen where you were just like I am the devil motherfucker.

而且你那些台词简直绝了，我就想：你会让你女儿看这部剧吗？

And just the shit you said was so gold and I'm like, are you gonna ever let your daughter watch the show?

我不可能永远瞒着她。

I can't hide it from her forever.

所以当然会。

So of course.

说实话我只希望她能从我犯的错里吸取教训。

I honestly just hope she learns from my mistakes.

我希望她看到后尴尬得直皱眉，然后说'你太糟糕了，我两周都不想理你'。

I hope she sees it and cringes and is like, you are fucking awful and I don't wanna talk to you for two weeks.

然后我说，公平吧？

And I'm like, fair?

然后她真的就，直接走向另一个极端，只想做个可爱善良的孩子——不过那也公平。

And then she just literally goes, that just swings her in the opposite direction and she just wants to be this like lovely kind child but like That's fair.

你懂吗？

You know?

好吧，你会怎么

Okay, how would

描述过去的自己与现在的区别？

you describe yourself back then versus now?

比如对没看过节目的人？

To someone maybe that didn't watch the show?

不认识你的人。

Didn't know you.

天啊，我是说，我的老天。

Oh my God, I mean, oh my God.

我觉得自己简直自私得不可思议。

I think so incredibly selfish.

我现在依然有自私的倾向。

Like I still have selfish tendencies.

百分之百确定这会是我永远的性格特质。

Like 100% that's always gonna be a personality trait.

抱歉，但这就是真实的我。

Sorry if Love it is.

我当时真心以为整个世界都围着我转。

Like I really truly thought the world revolved around me.

我以为自己经历的所有事情对别人都很重要。

I thought that everything that I was going through mattered to everyone.

我总觉得我要说的话无比重要。

I just felt like what I had to say was so important.

我以前也是那种'我说话就是这么直，你们得忍着'的人。

I was also one of those people that's like, I just tell it like it is, you gotta just deal with it.