524.1 – 大卫去了特柳赖德，精致迷你版，夏季电影回顾

Dave现在就在那儿。为了庆祝本周末上映的《最后的仪式》，你最喜欢的电影里的恶魔是哪个？我是Katie Rich。这个问题不是我写的，是Dave写的。

Dave's there right now. In honor of The Last Rites in theaters this weekend, what's your favorite demon from the movies? I'm Katie Rich. I didn't write this question. Dave did.

上帝保佑他。我不太确定电影里什么是恶魔。是在想《魔弦传说》里的姐妹吗，还是《魔弦传说》里的蚂蚁？它们是恶魔吗？算吗？

God bless him. And I am not totally sure what's a demon in movies. Was it thinking of the sisters in Kubo and the two strings or the ants in Kubo? Are they demons? Do they count?

它们有恶魔般的特质。关于《魔弦传说》。

They have demon like qualities. About Kubo.

我们最近刚看过那部。它们看起来很像《K-pop恶魔猎人》里的恶魔，现在印象特别深。我们可能会

We watched that one relatively recently. They look a lot like the demons in k pop demon hunters, which is very top of mind right now. We may

唯一能让我脑子里不再循环那首原声的办法

The only way to get that soundtrack out of my

就是一颗他妈的子弹。快问快答。快问快答。Patches，你下一个。

head at this point is with a fucking bullet. Lightning round. Lightning round. Patches, you go next.

我是Matt Patches。我我甚至都没想起《K-pop恶魔猎人》里的恶魔，这可能说明

I am Matt Patches. I I didn't even think of k pop, demon hunter demons, which might tell you how

怎么做到的？我听过那首原声。

How it's done? I've heard the soundtrack.

我我骄傲。我这次是个悬崖。我们肯定为那首原声贡献了800万次Spotify播放。现在情况越来越难了。但我其实要选个我也不确定是不是恶魔的东西，但感觉够恶魔了。

I'm I'm Proud. I'm a cliff on this one. My we must be contributing 8,000,000 Spotify listens to the to the soundtrack right now. It is it is getting tough out there. But I'm gonna actually go with something I'm also not sure is a demon, but it feels demon enough.

我选《坏米洛》里那个小恶心家伙。你还记得十多年前那部电影吗？像是西南偏南电影节的宠儿。不知道那是什么。他屁股里有个恶魔。

I'm gonna go with the little nasty guy from Bad Milo. You remember that movie from more than a decade ago? It seems like a South by Southwest favorite. Clue what that is. Has a demon up his butt.

它从他屁股里出来。哇。

It comes out his butt. Wow.

听起来很有趣。是啊。

That sounds fun. Yeah.

是啊。恶魔到处跑。小恶魔从他屁股里出来。听起来很搞笑。电影。

Yeah. Demon running around. Little demon guy out of his butt. Sounds funny. Movie.

是啊。

Yeah.

我是西奥多里克和恶魔。我是说，我忍不住想问，为什么这这么难？我现在卡在凯蒂的空间里了。我在努力想，什么是恶魔。

And I'm theodorelic and demons. I mean, I'm tempted I'm tempted to go with why is this so difficult? I'm just trying to I'm I'm stuck now in Katie's space. I'm trying to think what is a demon.

是啊。跟着直觉走就行。你也可以直接说萨贾男孩。那最简单。

Yeah. Just go with your gut. You can also just say the Sajja Boys. That's easiest.

什么？那个……我是说，我只看了二十我只……不，我只

The what? The yeah. Mean, I've I've only seen twenty I've only no. I've only

看了二十分钟的电影。

seen twenty minutes of the movie.

我……咱们别搞错了。我看了二十分钟的电影，我觉得还行。只是太晚了。

I let's let's not get twisted. I've seen twenty minutes of the movie, which I thought was fine. It was just late.

你只是听到了全部

You just heard all

你看到小萨贾喝他的辣酱了吗？咕咕嘎嘎？

of the Did you see baby Sajja drinking his hot sauce? Goo goo gaga?

我已经听了原声带9000遍了。但我只能告诉你这些。当然。宝贝萨贾男孩们。

I've listened to the soundtrack 9,000 times. But that's all I got for you. Sure. Babe Sajja boys.

戴夫丢下这个问题就不管了，说明他家里没有孩子，因为我的更新是，经过几周的抵抗，我的孩子们已经完全变成了K-pop恶魔猎人。我以为我们会跳过它，但现在我们来了。我们很高兴来到这里。

The fact that Dave just dropped this question and left us to deal with it suggests he does not have children in his house because my update is that after weeks of resisting it, my kids have gone full on k pop demon hunters. I thought they I thought we were gonna skip it, but now here we are. We're so happy to be here.

现在结束了。结束了。结束了。

Now it's done. Done. Done.

这就是戴夫会放主题曲的地方。

This is where Dave will put in the theme song.

你不能在这里打架。这里是作战室。好吧。我现在能听到你了，德米特里。

You can't fight in here. This is the war room. Fine. I can hear you now, Dimitri.

我不能再坐视不管了

I can no longer sit back and allow

清晰明了，接收良好。颠覆。我也接收良好，

Clear and plain and coming through fine. Subversion. I'm coming through fine too,

以及国际阴谋。

And the international conspiracy.

那么正如你所说，我们都接收良好。

Well, then as you say, we're both coming through fine.

先削弱，再净化。

To sap and then purify.

我同意你。感觉良好真好。

I agree with you. It's great to be fine.

我们所有珍贵的体液。这是辣酱。

All of our precious bodily fluids. It's a hot sauce.

大家好，欢迎来到作战室，这里是第524.1期。连半期都不做，我们从最小的零点几开始，因为这就是当下的现实。现在是9月3日这一周。

Hello, and welcome to fighting in the war room. It's episode 524.1. Not even doing halves. We're starting with the tiniest decimals because that's recognizing reality right now. It is the week of Wednesday, September 3.

1777年的这一天，发生了一场叫“库奇桥之战”的战役，地点在特拉华州的纽瓦克。纽瓦克，特拉华州。这就是库奇桥之战。

That is the day that in 1777, there was a thing called the Battle of Cooch's Bridge. It was fought in Newark, Delaware. Newark, Delaware. It's the Battle

库奇桥之战，他们都在——对，说的就是

of Cooch's Bridge and they were all Yeah. Talking about

那只是大学生活，对吧？库奇桥之战。

Well, that was just college. Right? The Battle of Cooch's Bridge.

我以为已经过去了。肯定是。

I thought it went through. Bet it was.

总之，这是特拉华州唯一一场美国独立战争。就这么点，特拉华。

Anyway, it was the only American revolutionary war fought in Delaware. That's all we got. Delaware.

太小了。非常小。所以你会以为那里不会有太多战役。

Tiny. Very tiny. So you'd expect there to not be too many battles there.

我们在特拉华。这仍然是我想到特拉华时想到的第一件事

We're in Delaware. It's still the first thing I think of when I think of

那是什么？

What is that?

特拉华。在《韦恩的世界》里。韦恩的世界。我们在特拉华。

Delaware. In Wayne's world. Wayne's world. We're in Delaware.

你知道，我没有很多

You know, I don't I don't have a lot of

《韦恩的世界》对你来说不太行？

Wayne's world wasn't a strong one for you?

不行。不行。我喜欢九十年代的《周六夜现场》。那是肯定的。绝对是黄金轮换。

No. No. And I loved nineties SNL. Like, that's a Sure. Gas rotation for sure.

但，我不知道。《韦恩的世界》，如果要我选，我宁愿看《舞场双傻》而不是《韦恩的世界》。

But, like, I don't know. Wayne's World, I would I would watch Night at the Roxbury's over Wayne's World if I had to choose.

《舞场双傻之夜》是詹姆斯·卡梅隆给《舞场双傻》拍的续集吗？你刚加了

Is is Night of the Roxbury's the James Cameron sequel to Night of the Roxbury? You just put

一个《舞场双傻》？

an At the Roxbury's?

结尾？旁边还有玩偶的那个。

At the end? With the dolls on the side.

但我做不到。

But I can't do.

总之，戴夫发现原来有一部新的《招魂》电影。我猜我在《武器》之前看过预告片，大概一个月前，真的就像，不好意思？又拍了一部？

Anyway, Dave is seeing turns out there was a new Conjuring movie. I guess I saw a trailer for that before weapons and was, like, you know, a month ago, it was truly like, excuse me? Made another one?

让戴夫去汇报这件事，因为我在 Letterbox 上看到他把所有《招魂》谋杀案系列都看了。

Get Dave to report on this because I saw in Letterbox that he's been watching all of the conjuring murders.

我确实看到了。他好像买了一套 DVD。

I did see that. He, like, bought a DVD set.

真是我听过的最有力的举动之一

Truly one of the most powerful moves I

之一。

have ever heard.

但他甚至说不出所有射手座的名字。

But he doesn't even can't even name all the Sagittarius.

补丁 补丁，

Patches Patches,

所有射手座的名字是什么？

what are the names of all the Sagittarius?

哦，天哪。这是个好问题。

Oh, boy. That's a good question.

是在说射手座吗？神秘宝贝跳舞？是其中一种舞吗？

Was calling maybe Sagittarius. Mystery baby dance? Is one of them dance?

我不知道。浪漫？显然，据我儿子说，万圣节我要扮成宝贝Sajah。所以等着看照片吧。

I don't know. Romance? Apparently, according to my son, I'm going as baby Sajah for Halloween. So look forward to pictures of that.

你们全家都有完整的K-pop恶魔猎人服装吗？这就是全部吗？

Do you have full k pop demon hunters family costumes? Is that the whole thing?

计划就是这样。我儿子要扮成那只猫。他想变成那只可爱的蓝色小猫，我女儿想扮成Zoe，美国K-pop恶魔猎人。然后我老婆要扮Rumi，因为她必须这样，我猜。

That is the plan. My son is going to be the cat. Okay. He he wants to be the cute little blue cat, and my daughter wants to be Zoe, the American k pop demon hunter. And then my wife is going to be Rumi because she has to be, I guess.

是啊。我得扮其中一个

Yeah. And I have to be one

Sajaboys。

of the Sajaboys.

我得扮浪漫Sajja、神秘Sajja、Ab Saja、宝贝Saja。等等。这才四个。维基百科真的把我搞糊涂了。

It's a I'm gonna have to romance Sajja, mystery Sajja, Ab Saja, Baby Saja. Wait. Hang on. That's only four. Wikipedia is really messing me up.

不。是主角。

No. The main guy.

我觉得那是神秘Saja。我觉得那是神秘Saja。什么？我觉得是……是神秘。Gnu？

I think that's Mystery Saja. I think that's Mystery Saja. What? I think it's I it's mystery. Gnu?

他的名字不是Gnu吗？

Is it not his name? Gnu?

哦，他还有真名？

Oh, he has a real name?

Gnu。那就是爱情

Gnu. That's the love

对象。我知道。没错。

interest. I know. That's right.

假粉丝。

Fake fan.

嘿。我就是假粉丝。我跟你说过这还不到一周。我们才刚追上进度。你说得对。

Hey. I am a fake fan. I told you this wasn't been, like, a week. Like, we just caught up with this. You're right.

只有Gnu有名字，其他人都没名字。

Gnu is the only one with the name. The other ones don't have names.

总之，David，去他妈的看这部电影。你怎么回事？

Anyway, David, watch this goddamn movie. What's wrong with you?

是啊。我想让我家孩子看，可那就得先让他们戒掉《坏男孩坏男孩》的瘾。还有《坏蛋》也是。

Yeah. I would like to make my kids watch it, but that would mean breaking their addiction to bad boys bad boys. Bad guys too.

可不是。你能想象吗？后头全是尸体。

Yeah. Can you imagine? The corpses out the back.

哦，好吧。Dave不在，但我确实想办法登录了邮箱，因为我们没有新的应用评论。我觉得大家都

Oh, okay. Dave isn't here, but I did figure out how to log in to the email because we have no new app reviews. Everyone I think

我们晚了四十分钟才开始，因为我们得登录一个月前收到的邮件。

we're starting out like forty minutes late because we had to log in to the email we got. About a month now.

Mean grace？我意识到让人去iTunes留评大概是史上最过时的请求，但据说还是有用。我们收到了寄到fitwr.podcast@gmail.com的暖心邮件，其中包括Damian的来信：你好，FitWrbits。我都不知道这是咱们的昵称，不过我还挺喜欢。

Mean grace? I realized that asking to leave a review on iTunes is about as outdated as a thing you can ask, but apparently it's still helpful. But we're getting lovely emails to fitwr. Podcastgmail dot com, including this one from Damian who writes, Hello FitWrbits. I didn't know that was our nickname, but I kinda like it.

不知道这是不是某个我没听过的梗？问题是：你们一直想深挖哪位导演的作品却还没动手？对我来说是埃里克·侯麦。我一直偏爱像《天才雷普利》《请以你的名字呼唤我》《心之细语》这种叙事轻盈、像温暖夏夜里一杯柠檬汽水般顺口的电影。

Don't know if it's like, is it a play on something I don't know of? This question is, which director's filmography have you always wanted to dig into but haven't yet? For me, it's Eric Romare. I've always had a soft spot for films like The Talented Mr. Ripley, Call Me By Your Name, Whisper of the Heart, and others that have a light breezy narrative that goes down like a lemon shandy on a balmy summer night.

但到目前为止，我还没真正涉足侯麦先生的任何作品。哪位导演的作品明明正中你的胃口，你却因为各种原因还没开始补？

But as of now, I've yet to dive into any of Mr. Romare's work. Who is a director for you whose work is seemingly right up your alley, but for whatever reason, you just haven't yet taken legend into their films.

我不知“失望”是否准确，但“轻盈”确实适用于侯麦的某些片。可他拿来当参照、说自己喜欢的那些片子，跟侯麦实际给的并不怎么对路。我挺想后续收到回信，看他到底喜不喜欢侯麦。

Is gonna I don't know if disappointed is the right word, but breeziness is is true of some of Romare's films. But the films that they used as reference points of things that they were looking for, things they enjoyed, don't really align with what Romare has offer. I'd be interested in a follow-up email down the line to see whether or not they enjoyed his work.

哦，对，这主意不错。我觉得这种名单无穷无尽，我一度订了Criterion频道，结果根本没空看，因为我忙着把当时家里流行的那版K-pop《恶魔猎人》反复刷。

Oh, yeah. I mean, that sounds like a like a great move. I feel like there's endless ones of these because I had Criterion channel subscription for a while and just never had time to watch anything because I was too busy rewatching whatever that version of K pop Demon Hunters was in my family at the time.

就该这么干，干，干。

How it's done, done, done.

当《让·迪厄曼》登顶《视与听》榜单那一刻，我意识到自己好像从没看过香特尔·阿克曼的电影。但我确实喜欢很多安静、长镜头、讲女性默默受苦的片子，而这就是我理解的《让·迪厄曼》。我不知道阿克曼其他电影是不是也这样，反正感觉以后得大补特补，只是不知何时。

At whatever point that Jean Diehlmann became the number one movie in the sight and sound list, I realized I don't think ever seen a Chantal Ackerman movie. But I think I have liked a lot of quiet movies with long takes about women with quiet suffering, which is my understanding of what Jean Diehlmann is. I don't know how many of other Chantal Ackerman movies are like that. But I feel like I have a lot of catching up ahead of me at some point. I don't know when I'm

她拍的就是安静受苦。

gonna get She was doing quiet suffering.

好，那我就去安静受会儿苦。

Okay. I'll do some quiet suffering.

嗯。

Yeah.

我就觉得，如果我喜欢《温蒂与露西》，那我肯定也得喜欢肖恩·迪尔蒙特，对吧？

I just feel like if I like Wendy and Lucy, I'm gonna have to like Sean Dillmont. Right?

不是吹牛，但凯莉·雷德卡特昨天跟我同一班飞机。

Not to brag, but Kelly Redkart was on my flight yesterday.

你能认出她是因为你太兴奋了。她个子太小，你差点没发现。

You recognize her because you're exciting. You can barely spot her because she's so tiny.

她真的很娇小。她……她在蒙特罗斯小机场跟理查德·林克莱特聊了很久。

She is so small. She she was having a a long conversation with Richard Link later in the small Montrose Airport.

哦，挺有趣的。好了，这就是我的答案。还有别的吗？

Oh, that's fun. Yeah. So, anyway, that's my answer. Anybody got another one?

我的答案是阿涅斯·瓦尔达。我记得她最后一部电影上映时，《阿涅斯论瓦尔达》，是叫这个名字吧？我当时就想，我……我只看过《五至七时的克莱奥》，可能也就这一部，说起来真惭愧。

My my answer is Agnes Varda. Because I remember when that final film came out, Arda by Agnes. Was that the name of that? That I was just like, I I this is a complete I've seen Cleo from five to seven, and that might be it. And I'm I'm ashamed to say that.

但我应该回头把她所有的电影都看一遍，因为大家都爱她，大卫也爱她。

But I should go back and watch all those movies because people love her. David loves her.

我看过《拾穗者》，你没看过吗？

I was The Gleaners You don't?

不，我看过。我讨厌阿涅斯·瓦尔达。

No. I do. Hate Agnes Varda.

被鄙视，真的。

Despised, really.

《拾穗者与我》也在《视与听》的榜单上。那时候我还不知道这部电影的存在。我这辈子从来没听说过它。

The Gleaners and I, I think, was also on the sight and sound list. And that was when I was I didn't know this movie existed. I've never heard of this before in my life.

我的天啊。你真傻。

Oh my gosh. You're a fool.

是啊。我从没听说过。

Yeah. I've never heard of it.

超级喜欢。

Big fan.

Genu。我不知道。我是说，缺了太多大卫。

Genu. I don't know. I mean, there are so many David missing.

是啊。我不知道。

Yeah. I don't know.

我是说，盲点太多了，不是因为没有盲点。我觉得反而是太多，一下子挤满我的脑子。它们大多像是——每周都会冒出一位九十年代、六十年代就活跃的惊人日本导演。

I mean, there are so many blind spots. It's not it's not for a lack of blind spots. I think if anything, there's just too many. They're crowding my brain all at once. Most of them, they're like every week, they invent another incredible Japanese filmmaker who was working in, like, the nineties and sixties.

我根本追不上。还有，我在推特上每次看到别人提，就会收藏一堆80年代末、90年代初的香港动作片。所以这不是一个具体导演的作品集，但我会几乎按时代来补。

And I it's impossible to catch up. There are also, like, a million different Hong Kong action films from the late '80s and early '90s that I have bookmarked on Twitter every time I see someone tweet tweeting about them. So that's not an answer in that it's not a particular director's filmography, but I would start in almost like an era driven way.

这倒是个有趣的做法。

That's a fun way to do it.

如果我有时间的话，可我没有。

If I if I had the time, which I do not.

你有没有在看Criterion频道上的洪金宝电影？

Have you been watching any of the Sammo Hung Criterion channel?

很高兴地说，套装里所有洪金宝的电影我都看过了。

Have seen all of the Sammo Hung films that are in the package, I'm happy to say.

这就对了。

There you go.

它们真的很棒。要是《三轮车夫》前十五分钟都没让你对影像的力量欣喜若狂，那你就没救了。

And they are they are pretty wonderful. And if the first, like, fifteen minutes of pedicab driver does not make you just ecstatic about the power of the moving image, then then there's no hope for you.

这就对了。我还以为你会选Frank Karachi或者那种超烂片呢。

There you go. I thought you were gonna pick Frank Karachi or something, like, really z grade.

Frank Karachi。

Frank Karachi.

不知道。大卫，你觉得你看过几部Frank Karachi的电影？

I don't know. Frank Karachi films do you think you've seen, David?

我猜是零部？

Think you've Zero would be my guess?

哦，没有。好吧。

Oh, no. Okay.

《婚礼歌手》？

The Wedding Singer?

哦，哦，哦，那个弗兰克·卡拉奇？我知道，对。

Oh. Oh, Oh, that Frank Karachi? I know. Yeah.

弗兰克·卡拉奇。你以为我在想什么，我都不知道。

Frank Karachi. What did you think I was think I don't know.

他同时执导了《婚礼歌手》和《水男孩》，这两部电影同年上映。就像，亚当·桑德勒同时出演了一部《侏罗纪公园》

He directed both The Wedding Singer and The Waterboy, which came out the same year. Like, for Adam Sandler to be in both a Jurassic Park

和《辛德勒的名单》时刻在98年。但之后他六年没拍电影。

and Schindler's List moment in '98. But then he didn't make a film for six years.

是啊。

Yeah.

怎么回事？花了那么长时间开发《环游世界八十天》那部电影，就是

What's that about? Took that long to develop around the world in eighty days, that movie where

阿诺德·施瓦辛格和钱德勒。又和桑德勒合作了。真奇怪。你以为他和桑德勒闹翻了，但他又执导了《人生遥控器》。然后和凯文·詹姆斯合作了《动物园管理员》。

Arnold Schwarzenegger and Chandler. Back in with Sandler. It's weird. You think he'd he and Sandler had a falling out, but he directed click. Then he got in with Kevin James on zookeeper.

所以我真的在想很多关于

So I'm really thinking a lot about

人们以为他的事业在走下坡路，下坡路，下坡路。但在与布拉德和亚当·桑德勒重聚并拍了《人生遥控器》之后，他的事业开始上升，上升，上升，升上天空。对不起。

people thought that his career was going down, down, down. But then after reuniting with Brad and Adam Sandler and Click, it was going up, up, up, up to the sky. I'm sorry.

他在《快乐吉尔默2》里演的是50年代的黑帮，电影里出现了50年代的黑帮。我搞不懂那是电影的哪一段。有人写信来告诉我们50年代的怪物吧。然后说到电影《达米恩》，多棒的问题，谢谢。

He's in Happy Gilmore two playing in nineteen fifties mob there were nineteen fifties mobsters in Happy Gilmore two. I don't I cannot figure out what part of the movie that would be in. Someone write in and tell us about 1950s monsters. And then to the movie, Damien, what a great question. Thank you.

你让我感觉我得

You're making me feel like I need to

去把《达米恩》全看了。

go watch Do all of Damien.

只是我得看一堆TIFF的试映片，可能根本没人会看。因为我拿到的不是大片，没人给我《哈姆内特》的链接。别担心，都是小片子。

Except I got to watch a bunch of screeners of TIFF movies that possibly no one will ever see. Because that's that's a such, I mean, I don't have screeners of like the big ones. Like no one's giving me a link to Hamnet. Don't worry. It's a much smaller stuff.

不过也有不错的。我保证。嗯，我不知道，大卫·沃特或马克斯·韦格

Although some good stuff. I promise. Well, I don't know, David What or makes we get

据凯蒂说很烂？

bad according to Katie?

你去过多伦多电影节，帕奇斯，你知道看一部还没找到发行的电影是什么感觉。想着也许不错，结果三十分钟后发现，哦，不，谢谢。

I mean, you've been to Toronto Film Festival, Patches. You know what it's like to sit down for a movie that doesn't have distribution. Think maybe this will be good. Then you get thirty minutes in and realize, oh, no. Thank you.

完全不行。

This is not working out at all.

录完后你得告诉我你看了哪些小片子觉得不错。

You'll have to let me know after we're done recording what are some of the smaller ones you've watched and enjoyed.

我会的。或者不会。下周我希望能分享很多。我……还不知道下周节目怎么安排。

I will. I Or not. Next week, I will hopefully be able to share a lot of it. I'll I don't know. We haven't figured out next week's episode yet.

大卫和我现在会回来。我正在回来

David and I will be back for now. I'm coming back

周一下午。非常感谢。

on Monday afternoon. Thank you very much.

你什么时候看到周五晚上飞，周一下午回来？你看到什么？等等，你得看什么？是不是只有迷失巴士？你到底在看什么？

When do you you see fly Friday evening and come back on Monday afternoon? What are you seeing? Wait, what do you have to see? Is it like the lost bus only? What are you even seeing?

不。什么？不，我不是在看迷失巴士。但它是

No. What? No, I'm not seeing the lost bus. But it's

秋天

the fall

《绿草野火》电影。

of Green Grass Wildfire movie.

我要去看什么？我要去看。也许

What am I going to see? I'm going to see. Maybe

不。我只想让你知道，我们还没开始播客。我要去看多伦多，当你有

not. I just want you to know, we haven't started the podcast. I'm gonna see Toronto for when you had Sure,

金色当然，罗南在《坏苹果》里。哦，我要去看《牺牲》？罗曼·加夫拉斯的《牺牲》。我要去看《死人醒来》。希望我能去。

golden sure, Ronan in Bad Apples. Oh, there I'm gonna see The sacrifice? Romaine Gavros' Sacrifice. I'm gonna see Wake Up Dead Man. Hopefully, I'll there.

给我一张票。

That me a ticket.

我会去的。

I'll be there.

我要去看《安妮的儿子们》。我要看《克里斯托弗一家》和《永恒》。

I'm gonna see Anne's Sons. I'm gonna see The Christopher's and Eternity.

我要去看《克里斯托弗一家》。

I'm gonna see The Christopher's.

这一段是永恒。

The segment is an eternity.

走吧。好的。走吧，戴夫。我们需要你回来。给我们发邮件到fitwr.podcast@gmail.com，或者给我们留言。

Let's go. Okay. Let's go, Dave. We need you back. Send us an email at fitwr.podcast@Gmail.com or leave us a review.

你可以两个都做。

You can do both.

我们要一直往上走。

We're going up, up, up.

你听起来像在唱另一首歌。像是《欢乐满人间》的歌。好了，大卫，回到你。你去了特柳赖德。

You sound like you're singing a different song. It's like a Mary Poppins song. Alright, David, back to you. You went to Telluride.

有一个林-曼努尔在里面唱

Have a Lin Manuel who sings in

《欢乐满人间》。大卫，你看了什么

Mary Poppins. David, what did you what

你在特柳赖德除了在机场见到凯莉·莱卡特之外还做了什么？不得不说，这真的很值得炫耀。

did you do in Telluride other than What did you do in Telluride other than see Kelly Reichardt at the airport? Which is a pretty good flex, I gotta say.

我还在到处看到贾法尔·帕纳希，太棒了。

I also saw Jafar Panahi everywhere, which was awesome.

说实话，我觉得没人提过这件事。我知道他要去多伦多，但他愿意来美国让我有点激动。

Honestly, I'm I don't think anyone had mentioned that. And I knew he was coming to Toronto, but I'm kind of thrilled he was willing to come to The United States.

但这正是特柳赖德的特别之处，而且

But that's like the the thing about Telluride and

技术上讲它不在美国境内，是国际水域。

It's technically not in The US. International waters.

我的意思是，你特别是在梵蒂冈城。对人们来说

It's mean, you Especially in Vatican City. For the people

没去过的人会觉得，这基本上是一个没有任何后台区域的电影节。所有人都一直待在小镇上。所以你一天之内会七次看到像贾法尔·帕纳希这样的人，比如和里兹·阿迈德

who haven't been there is essentially a film festival without any sort of behind the scenes area or backstage area rather. It's like everyone is just out in the town at all times. And so you will, seven times over the course of the day, see someone like Jafar Panagi just, like, meeting Riz Anas

一起

for a

喝个饮料，或者就在山里、镇中心随便逛逛。对于一个在伊朗被监禁、长期被软禁的人来说，他的作品对我影响深远，我看了三十年，我从没想过会见到他——虽然我们在几个小型聚会上都在一起，但我并没有强烈想认识他的冲动。但仅仅看到他在世界上自由行走，能来特柳赖德宣传一部对那个政权如此控诉的电影，而那个政权多年来一直在摧毁他的生活，或者说严重限制他的自由。

drink or, like, just, like, you know, looking around the mountain, you know, in the middle of town. And for someone who has, you know, been jail in Iran for a long time under house arrest, as someone whose films I have been formative for me and I've been watching for thirty years now, he was not someone I ever thought I would ever I didn't meet him. Didn't know I had an overwhelming desire to meet him even though we were at several small parties together. But just to to to see him out and about in the world unencumbered enough to be in Telluride promoting a movie that is so damning towards the regime that has been, you know, you know, ruining his life or effectively curtailing his freedoms for so long.

它仍然是。那只是个意外，这部电影是今年晚些时候将在影院上映的金棕榈奖得主之一，我们稍后有机会聊聊它。

It still is. It was just an accident, which is one of the Palme d'Or is opening in theaters later this year. We'll get a chance to talk about it later.

正是如此

Just so

对我来说，能在街上看到他真的很特别。

that was very special for me just to see him out and about.

是啊。那大概是最顶级的明星偶遇了。把艾丽·范宁都比下去了。

Yeah. That is probably the ultimate celebrity sighting. Take that Elle Fanning.

冰男孩，我我见过艾丽·范宁。我在派对洗手间里待得有点久，出来时她正等着进去。这种内容只有在《战争室里的战斗》里才能听到。

The ice boy, I I saw Elle Fanning. I was in the bathroom at a party a little bit too long. It's like I I opened the tour when I was done. Elle Fanning was waiting to get in. The kind of content you get only on fighting in the war room.

大卫，你在特柳赖德看了什么电影吗？还是全程都没看？

Did you see any movies in Tell Your Eye, David? Any any Just said that. Entire time?

整个……我是说，是啊。之后我尴尬得想直接钻回洗手间。我还和朱迪·福斯特聊了很久养男孩的事，凯蒂，我觉得你会

The whole I mean, I yeah. After that, I was so embarrassed I should have died back in the bathroom. I also had a very long talk with Jodie Foster about raising boys, which Katie, I I feel like you would have

超想听朱迪·福斯特的任何建议我都想听。

would love I would love any advice Jodie Foster has.

朱迪·福斯特

Jodie Foster

她说了什么？

What did she say?

其实也没啥。我们就幼儿园小男孩的话题聊了很久，她讲她孩子像艾斯这么大时的样子，以及这些年他们的性格如何变化。

I mean, no. We just talked at length about having a kindergarten age boy, and she was talking about what her kids were like when they were Ace's age and how their personalities have evolved over the years.

她是不是要出演什么新片？

Is she in something coming out?

对，她演了一部叫《私人生活》的电影。是法语片？法语，对。

Yeah. She's in a movie called A Private Life. It's French? French. Yeah.

是部法语电影。她人特别接地气，聊起来特别开心。特柳赖德总让我想颁个“年度亲民人物奖”，因为很容易看出哪些明星真的自在地跟大家相处，哪些不行。朱迪·福斯特绝对是个提名。

It's a French language film. Is so little. She was she was really, really down to earth and a blast to talk to. I you know, Telluride always makes me wanna, like, dub, like, be able to award my, like, person of the people award every year because it's very easy to see which of these celebrities is just comfortable existing among others and which which aren't. And Jodie Foster is definitely a nomination.

今年我的“年度亲民人物”得主绝对是克莱尔·芙伊，她演了那部反响平平的《鹰的字母H》，但到处都能见到她，还坐我后面一起坐大巴去早午餐。她没坐私家车，而是每天早上一身轻松地跟伴侣或老公坐在早餐店的吧台。

The winner of my person of the people award this year is definitely Claire Foy, who is in the very underwhelming h is for hawk, but was also just like everywhere and sat behind me on the bus up to the brunch. And then you go to the beginning of year rather than taking a private car and was just casually sitting at the counter at the breakfast place every morning with her partner or She husband, was

就像那种红州选民一样坐在小餐馆里，你问她，她就说自己在写书

whoever he sitting at the diner like one of those red state voters as you ask her. Was writing a book of

其实我就是喜欢他的政策，就这么简单。

that actually. I just really like his policies. That's all I can say.

嗯

Yeah,

我基本确定。总之

I'm pretty sure. Anyway,

所以特柳赖德，这次最大的感受——其实是我自己的问题，我尽量不迁怒于电影节，毕竟去年它首映了我这十年最爱的《镍币男孩》——就是戛纳把全部风头都抢走了。你比以往更强烈地感觉到，年度佳片都在挤戛纳的档期。以前一年感觉有两波电影。

yeah. So Telluride, you know, the big takeaway from Telluride Goodyear is that and this is really a me problem. I try not to hold it against the festival, the same festival that premiered maybe my favorite film of the decade so far just last year, which was Nickel Boys, is that Cannes really sucked up all the energy in the room. You really feel so much more than usual that all of the best films of the year are competing to get slots of can. And it used to feel like there were really two waves of movies in a given year.

在世界舞台上，先是戛纳，再是秋季电影节。显然我们今年还是有这波新片。但“戛纳旧片”占特柳赖德片单的比例，至少在我印象里比往年高得多，跟真正首映的片子质量落差——除了一部重磅例外，我待会儿说——落差真的巨大。

On the world stage anyway, you have can and you have the fall festivals. And obviously, we still have this new wave of movies this year. But just the sheer drop off in quality between the can holdovers, which occupied, at least in my mind, a much larger percentage of the Telluride lineup than they usually do versus the films premiering there, with one major exception, which I will get to in a second. What was that? It was pretty immense.

在电影节上，就像去年一样，大家都在谈论《Enora》，因为人们普遍没有意识到《Nickel Boys》的巨大意义。今年大家真正热议的电影似乎真的是《情感价值》。稍微次要一点的是《只是一个意外》，这两部都在戛纳。但那里，你知道，有一些很棒的纪录片，其中有几部我没看，大部分我都没看。但人们似乎喜欢朱迪·福斯特。

In the movie on, just like last year, how everyone was talking about Enora at the festival because people by and large were not grasping the enormity of Nickel Boys. The movie that everyone was talking about this year really did seem to be sentimental value. And to a slightly lesser extent, it was just an accident, both of which were at Cannes. But there, you know, there were a number of strong documentaries there, several which I didn't see, most of which I didn't see. But people seem to like Jodie Foster.

哪些？

Which ones?

不知道。朱迪·福斯特确实力挺一部叫《爱的循环》的纪录片，她说，我引用原话，这是她看过的最好的电影之一。然后我听好几个人说，他们后来看了

Don't know. Jodie Foster did stick up for this documentary called Cycle of Love, which she said, and I quote, was one of the best movies she's ever seen. And I heard from several people who then saw

他们《出租车司机》。

that they Taxi Driver.

感觉不一样。

Felt differently.

她可能看过更好的电影。

She'd probably seen even better movies.

我的意思是，我交谈过的人里没人讨厌它，但也没人像她那样热情。不过她的热情对我来说确实有点分量，所以值得一提。

I mean, nobody I spoke to disliked it, but nobody else also shared her enthusiasm. But I did did her enthusiasm did mean something to me, so it's worth noting.

《爱的循环》。

Cycle of love.

好吧，我觉得我不知道它是不是在放映

Okay, I don't think I don't know if it's playing

由朱迪·福斯特制作的。是的。不，

in the produced by Jodi Fosters. Yes. No,

其实是

it's actually

他们。我记不得是谁了，但她……我当时在说，你为什么不来做执行制片？她说某某和某某其实刚刚加入，也都是非常大的名字。我记不得他们是谁了。

they. I can't remember who, but she I was I was saying, like, why don't you executive produce this? And she said that so and so and so and so actually just came on board and they were also very big names. I can't remember who they are.

但等等，你这名字丢得可真失败啊。某某和

But wait to fail at a name drop right there. So and so and

某某。在我那段跟朱迪·福斯特长谈的往事里，我对提名字这事还挺有感觉的。但

so. In my in my story about having a long conversation with Jodie Foster, I'm feeling about name dropping. But

大卫，你提到你最爱的一部电影，我猜是《哈姆内特》，因为对我来说，还有我在特柳赖德聊过的每个人，大家似乎都在反复谈论那部片子。

David, you I you mentioned that there's a movie that you love, which I assume is going to be Hamnet because to me and everyone else I've talked to from Telluride, it seemed very clear that that was the movie that everyone kept talking about there.

是啊。我是说，《哈姆内特》这片子挺难受的，因为我被它彻底击碎了。这部电影是赵婷的新作，保罗·麦斯卡演威廉·莎士比亚，杰西·巴克利演阿格尼斯——她在片子里叫这个名字。一半的时候才知道她的姓。她的姓

Yeah. I mean, Hamnet, it's a tough one because I was just absolutely obliterated by Hamnet. I mean, the Hamnet is Chloe Zhao's new movie starring Paul Mescal as William Shakespeare and Jesse Buckley as Agnes as she is Her name is in this movie, Halfway. Know her last name. Her last name

是威廉，不是阿格尼斯。

is William I'm not Agnes.

不是阿格尼斯。但他们其实不太常提她的名字。我也不知道我是不是在想“莎士比亚”这个词，我觉得电影里大概就提了一两次。总之，它改编自一本小说，那小说历史根基很深，却又非常自由大胆地重新想象了他们唯一儿子的死亡，以及这件事如何可能促使莎士比亚写下《哈姆雷特》。

Not Agnes. But they don't really say her name all that often. And I don't know if I'm trying to think of the word Shakespeare. I think it's probably mentioned like once or twice. But anyway, it's adapted from a novel, which is very like a historically rooted but very loose and free reimagining of the death of their only son and how it may have led to the writing of Hamlet.

当时“哈姆内特”和“哈姆雷特”这两个名字是可以互换的，影片开头的字幕卡就这么告诉我们。但大概看到一个小时的时候，我就开始控制不住地抽泣，而且越来越厉害，到最后几乎喘不过气来。我觉得山里的空气也有影响，再加上——可以说——这是一部讲某位作家出差，却得知儿子出了可怕意外的电影，这显然让当代的“莎士比亚”本人感同身受。我当时就想：你们这帮混蛋，干嘛让我坐两趟小飞机再盘山上来才能看这片子？你们明明可以在纽约放给我，我看完就能回家抱孩子啊。

Hamnet and Hamlet were interchangeable names back then, as the opening title card of this film lets us know. But I started sort of just uncontrollably sobbing like an hour into this movie, and it just gets worse and worse and worse to the point where I really couldn't breathe. I think the mountain air had something to do with it as to the fact that one could argue this is a movie about a writer who goes on a work trip only to find out that something terrible has happened to his son, which I obviously is the Shakespeare of our day related to very strongly. And I was like, why did you motherfuckers make me get on two small planes and drive up a mountain to see this movie when you could have showed it to me in New York and I could go home and have my children?

我确实挺喜欢马克·哈里斯在蓝天上怼你那一幕，

I did enjoy that Mark Harris zinged you on Blue Sky,

这是我说的最阴暗的话了

which is the darkest thing I've

他截了那个标题的图，我觉得是你写的。《哈姆内特》评论：保罗·麦斯卡和杰西·巴克利把你心脏掏出来。他还评论说，这对回头客可不好。

ever said. Well, he screenshot the headline, which I think is yours. Hamnet review Paul Mescal and Jesse Buckley rip your heart out of your body. And he commented, this will be bad for repeat business.

这是句俏皮话，轻松的玩笑。我觉得挺有趣。我觉得“俏皮话”对我来说更像是某种人身挖苦。

It's a zing. It's a fluffy joke. I thought it was funny. I thought zing I interpret to me more like a personal dig of some kind.

不，不是的。不是人身攻击。

No, know. Was not a personal dig.

是啊。我一只手就能数得过来——而且我一直坚持说，一部电影引发的情绪反应强度并不能说明它的质量。但这部片子，尤其是坐下来回味时，我确实有很多……我确实觉得《哈姆内特》不仅表演和呈现得美，而且是一部非常聪明且动人的作品。但我确实——过去五年里让我哭成那样的电影，一只手数得过来，而且几乎无一例外，主演都是保罗·麦斯卡。

Yeah. I mean, I can count on one hand that a number And I'm one of those people who's very adamant about saying that the emotional reaction, the intensity of an emotional reaction that a movie provokes from you is no indicator of quality. But in this case, particularly when sitting with it, I did have quite a lot of I do think Hamlet is a very not only beautifully acted and rendered thing, but it's a really intelligent and moving piece of work. But I did I can't count on one hand the number of films that made me cry that hard over the last five years. And I think with like maybe one exception, they all starred Paul Mescal.

其中一部

And one of them

是《声音的历史》。

was the history of sound.

开玩笑的。不是。我是说，《声音的历史》那部，电影本身不怎么样，但确实把我

Just kidding. No. I mean, the one in the history of sound, it's not a particularly good movie, but it did get me

弄哭了

in the

最后

end

但在《After Son》以及所有这些之后，《所有我们陌生的人》排在最前面。另一部浮现在我脑海里的电影是《铁爪》。

of But like After Son and all of these, all of us strangers are at the top of the list. And the other movie that comes to mind is The Iron Claw.

等等，你让我想起的太多了，我意识到这听起来像是一种贬低，但这是我喜欢的一部电影，我在多伦多电影节快结束时看了《登月第一人》。我想那年我怀孕了。你也像个男孩。我当时想大喊

Wait, what you're reminding me of so much, and I realize this is going to sound like a diss, but this is a movie that I love, is I saw First Man at the very end of Toronto. I think I was pregnant that year. You're also like a boy. I wanted to shout

那个。因此，一切都

that. Therefore, everything was

我在那个电影节结束时，我只是被悲伤淹没，想着，又是一个男人出差。我猜坏事发生在他孩子之前，你知道，阿姆斯特朗登月。但总之，在这些电影节上远离家人真的会让你成为容易被打动的目标，我

I that at the end of that festival, and it just like I just was so overwhelmed with sadness thinking about like, again, guy goes on a work trip. I guess the bad thing happens to his kid before, you know, Armstrong goes to the moon. But anyway, it's something about being at these festivals and away from your family that really makes I'm you an easy target, I glad

很高兴你这么说。我很高兴你特别提到《登月第一人》，因为这是一个非常有趣的类比。因为《哈姆雷特》本质上讲的是一种财产，一种创造性的、情感的转移与变形。这部电影的情感力量来自于莎士比亚式的爱并不与《哈姆雷特》的文本对齐，就像莎士比亚的爱一样，这部电影的结局和它一样。我的意思是，两者都以

that you're saying that. I'm glad you're saying that though about First Man in particular because that is a really interesting parallel. Because what Hamlet is about is essentially the property, the creative property, the emotional property of transference and metamorphosis. The emotional power of the movie comes from the fact that the Shakespeare love of it all does not align with the text of Hamlet in much the same way as everything that happens in Shakespeare love, which has the same ending as this movie. I mean, like, both end with with

人们在海滩上演出莎士比亚。我们尽量别剧透

people putting in Shakespeare's on a beach. Let's try not to spoil

大家，那部还没上映

everyone that's not out for a

很久呢。

long while.

不，这不是剧透。他们演了《哈姆雷特》。我是说，他们演了《哈姆雷特》，在澳大利亚。

No. It's not a spoiler. They put on Hamlet. Hamlet. Mean, like that's they put on Hamlet and Australian.

是的。但他们对此一无所知。但在《莎翁情史》里，整部电影发生的事情都在《罗密欧与朱丽叶》的文本中有所反映。但《哈姆雷特》不是这样。我是说，《哈姆雷特》这部剧，他们身上发生的事与《哈姆雷特》的文本几乎没有直接关系。

Yeah. And they don't know anything about this though. But like in Shakespeare Love, everything that happens over the course of the movie is reflected in the text of Romeo and Juliet. But that's not the case with Hamlet. I mean, Hamlet, the play has What happens to them has very little direct bearing on the text of Hamlet.

但某种程度上，这一点——我现在不想太深入这个话题——正是我觉得它如此动人的地方。对我来说，它也很像尼尔·阿姆斯特朗把他女儿的镯子，不管是什么，放进——这同样可能不是真实发生的事，就像《哈姆内特》的大部分情节一样。但这是一种将悲伤外推的方式，是一种深刻的举动，让失去的孩子记忆获得新的维度和自己的生命。实际上，《登月第一人》的结尾让我想起了整部《哈姆雷特》。

But that is in a way, and this I don't want to thread along for too long right now, but that is in a way what I found so moving about it. But it's also very similar to me to Neil Armstrong putting his daughter's bracelet, whatever it was, in the which is, again, a thing that probably didn't happen, just like most of the plot of Hamnet. But it is a way of sort of extrapolating this grief and sort of doing this profound act that allows the memory of this lost child to take on a new dimension and a life of its own. And it is actually the ending of First Man reminded me a lot of the whole of Hamlet.

男人宁愿真的去月球，也不愿去接受治疗，或者写《哈姆雷特》。

Men will literally go to the moon instead rather than go to therapy and or write Hamlet.

嗯，我不知道在莎士比亚时代，或者对阿姆斯特朗来说，治疗选择到底有哪些。

Well, I don't know how what the sort of like therapy options were in Shakespearean. Or even Ringel Armstrong for that for that matter.

写《哈姆雷特》看起来倒像是相当不错的治疗，说实话。我觉得效果挺好。

Writing Hamlet seems like it was pretty good therapy, honestly. I feel like it worked out pretty

反正对他们的婚姻来说还不错。不过——

well anyway. For their marriage. But

哦，好吧，这就是《莎翁情史》的意义。我们等其他人有机会看到《哈姆内特》时再聊。我想特柳赖德放映的那些片子不会那么快就公映。

Oh, well, what Shakespeare and Love is for. We'll get to Hamnet later when other people get the chance to see it. Is there it was me I assume there's nothing at Telluride that's gonna be out all that soon.

我不知道。我其实没看多少片子，大部分时间都待在房间里写我

I don't know. I'm just I didn't really see all that much. I mostly spent a lot of my time in my room writing about movies that I

看过的电影。

had seen.

在浴室里

In the bathroom

用厕所的时候，L·范宁就在那儿。没错。我还读了一些在威尼斯首映的片子。《杰伊·凯利》是部特柳赖德电影，结果失手了。

using it when L. Fanning was. Exactly. There were a number of Venice premieres that I was reading as well. Jay Kelly was a Telluride movie as a swing and a miss.

我走了出去。很期待和你一起到那里。

I walked out. Intrigued to get there with you.

是啊。吉尔莫·德尔·托罗的《弗兰肯斯坦》真的很压抑。这可能是他最糟糕的电影之一，他倾注了那么多爱，这就是他存在的本质。

Yeah. Frankenstein Guillermo del Toro's Frankenstein is really depressing. It is maybe his worst it's one of his worst movies. He's poured so much love into it. It's such the essence of his being.

他是个很棒的人。过去十五年里，他的电影制作已经离他越来越远。看着真让我心碎。但我觉得那部电影痛苦极了，丑得要死。

He's such a lovely guy. His filmmaking has gotten so far away from him over the last fifteen years. It's really heartbreaking for me to watch. But I found that excruciating. It's ugly as shit.

它真的很无趣。

It is really uninteresting.

我 我真的 他 他最大的奥斯卡提名来自那些你可能会说 嗯 就这样被冲走的电影

I I really His his biggest Oscar nominations have come from the films that you might suggest Well just whipped away

脱离了他的原创。但我 我 我真心希望他成功，但我确实觉得自从他转向数字拍摄以来，就在《地狱男爵2》之后不久，我想《地狱男爵2》可能是数字拍摄的，但就像，真正开始和丹·劳森合作的时候

from his original. But I I I want nothing but success for him, but I do think that ever since he went digital right around the time shortly after Hellboy two I think Hellboy two may have been shot digital, but, like, truly, when he began working with Dan Dan Louthan

当他不再和黄金军团合作的时候。

When he stopped working with the Golden Army.

嗯，是啊，他帮了黄金军团的忙，但就像，再加上他近年来电影那种塑料廉价感的外观，再叠加Netflix的那种光泽，即使在大银幕上放映也能看出来，就有点灾难了。Netflix在科林·法瑞尔那部电影《小人物的民谣》上也搞砸了，那是爱德华·伯格继《西线无战事》之后的作品。

Well, yeah, he's helping with the Golden Army, but, like, it just like and you add, like, the plastic chintziness of the look of his films over recent years and you compound that with the Netflix gloss, which you can already see even with the movie projected onto the big screen, is just kind of disastrous. And Netflix also whiffed with the Colin Farrell movie, The Ballad of a Small Player, which is directed by Edward Berger and his follow-up to Enclave.

我很快就要在多伦多看那部还有《弗兰肯斯坦》了。

I will be seeing that and Frankenstein in Toronto very soon.

很惨淡。但你知道，《哈姆内特》是我在那里看过的唯一一部好电影，但我没看多少。不过那是一段不错的时光。

It's bleak. But yeah, you know, Hamnet was really the only good movie that I saw there, but I didn't see a lot. But it was a nice time.

还有呢？就这样了。这就是你要说的全部。我们不需要太

What else? And that's all. That's that's all you have to say. We don't have to go too

夸张。听到你说这些我很兴奋，因为——而且我也很期待讨论这些电影，因为你并不是终极权威，你的观点非常——你知道的？你有非常独特的视角。所以我总是很想看看我们是否一致，如果

nuts. It's exciting to hear you say all that because and I'll be excited to discuss all these movies because you are you are not the end all be all, and your opinion is very you know? You have a very specific perspective. So I'm always excited to see if we're aligned, if

我们有权威性。

we're Authoritative.

因为连Jay Kelly——我是说，外面确实有人真的——很喜欢它。

Because you're even Jay Kelly. I mean, there's people out there who seem to really who dig it.

Jay Jay Kelly——Jay Kelly的旗帜正在褪色。那看起来很明显——墙上已经写着了。

Jay Jay Kelly Jay Kelly's flag is is fading. That seems pretty the writing is is on the wall there.

我还没准备好。我不

I'm not prepared. I'm not

打算放弃。我会

to give up. I will

说——就告诉我。

say just to tell me.

有些我很爱的电影，我会怀疑别人会不会喜欢。也有些我不爱的电影，我却觉得——我真的觉得这部大多数人会买账。我已经培养出不错的雷达，能预判它们的表现。我确实认为，大众对我刚才提到的很多电影会更正面，但我也觉得，那些电影要留下印象所需的热爱程度并不会出现。但我们会看到的。

Are movies that I love that I question whether other people like. There are movies that I don't love that I think I actually think this is gonna go over well with most people. I have developed a decent radar of what they will be. I do think the general consensus will be more positive towards a lot of the movies that I just mentioned, but I also think that the amount of love that those movies are going to need to make an impression is not going to come. But we will see.

你想听个故事吗？我是从——我想是Chris Rosen那儿听来的，他在特柳赖德。他跟尼古拉斯·巴特尔聊天，问他有没有哪部他自己的配乐他觉得没得到足够关注。这听起来就很像马特·帕切斯会问的问题。他说《性别之战》，那部艾玛·斯通和史蒂夫·卡瑞尔的网球电影，我完全忘了他曾给它做过配乐。

Do you want to know a story that I heard from? I think it was Chris Rosen, who was at Telluride. He talking to Nicholas Bertell and asked him what is a score of his that he don't doesn't think gets enough attention. This feels like a very Matt Patches thing. He said Battle of the Sexes, the Emma Stone Steve Carell tennis movie that I had forgotten entirely he ever did the score for.

而且我觉得我们一直在听那几集。那部电影也是。

And I think we've listening to the episodes. That movie too.

确实，我听过了。但现在我想去听听那首配乐，因为尼古拉斯·布里特尔觉得我们忽略了它。所以

Indeed, I have. But I now I wanna go listen to that score because Nicholas Bertell thinks it's thinks we're sleeping on it. So it's

不是那个，是我经常想起那部电影，因为我真的很喜欢里面那首莎拉·巴瑞勒斯的歌，《If I Dare》，但我真的忘了布里特尔也参与了。哇。

not about that is that I think about that movie often because I really like the Sarah Barry Ellis song from that movie, if I dare, but I really forgot that Britell did so. Wow.

所以我们都有很多东西要学。总之，我的意思是，我们都会去听，下周回来汇报。

So we all have a lot to learn here. So, anyway, I mean, we'll all go listen to that report back next week.

正好来个完美的收尾，为了致敬《登月第一人》，我们真正需要的是另一部贾斯汀·赫维茨的配乐。

Just a perfect a perfect end note is in honor of First Man, what we really need is another Justin Hurwitz score.

哦，对啊。他最近去哪儿了？就那一部吗？我觉得他

Oh, yeah. Where's he been? What's the only one? I think he

做了那个该死的 对。

did that with fucking Yeah.

他可能在给拉里·大卫的新电视剧写剧本，他也莫名其妙地干这个。

He's probably writing on Larry David's new television show, which he also does for some reason.

我不知道这事。哦，就是说，他，写，是当编剧，不是写音乐。

I didn't know that. Oh, like, he, like, writes, like, as a writer, not like writing music.

对。他写喜剧。他给《抑制热情》写过。

No. He writes comedy. He wrote on Herb.

太离谱了。我都不知道。好吧。

That's wild. I did not know that. Okay.

是的。我们刚从长周末回来，我基本没怎么看片。我没去特柳赖德电影节。今年也没准备去多伦多。我正在为玩《丝之歌》做准备，就像我们在播客前跟大卫聊的那样。

Yes. We're back from a long weekend where I did not get to watch too much. I was not at the Telluride Film Festival. I'm not prepping to go to Toronto this year. I am prepping to play Silksong as we were discussing before the podcast, David.

等你从多伦多回来，你得聊聊玩《丝之歌》的事。我们得谈谈，因为这才是你在多伦多电影节真正会干的事。

When you get back from Toronto, you'll have to talk about playing Silksong. We will have to talk about it because that's what you'll really be doing at the Toronto Film

节目。确实如此。

Show. This is true.

我周末主要在刷《报社》。还有《办公室》的续作，凯蒂，我希望你看了，因为我——在我们这期播客发布时， embargo 已经解除，我得说，这简直是奇迹。那剧太棒了，难以置信。

I mostly spent my weekend watching The Paper. With the sequel to The Office, which I Katie, I hope you watch it because I do. Of the release as of the release of this podcast, the embargo is up, and I have to say, it's a fucking miracle. That show's great. Couldn't believe it.

我们改天再聊那个。我会很好奇你们怎么说。它更像《公园与游憩》而不是《办公室》，我本来——总之，我真正想聊的是。无厘头。非常具体，嗯。

We will talk about that at another time. I will I will be curious to hear what you all say. It's very much like a Parks and Rec show and not an office show, which I was really anyway, here's what I really wanna talk about. Nonsense. Very specific Mhmm.

那些精致又傻乎乎的人类观察，我长周末突然想到的。我需要你们的看法，因为世界上太多事了。你们去电影节时，可能会遇到需要瞬间决定如何做人的小瞬间。你得选当不当好公民。这周末我就有这种感觉。

Silly, sophisticates brained observe human observations that I had on my long weekend. And I need your take because there's so much going on in the world. I mean, when you guys go to your film festivals, you may encounter small moments in life where you will need to make split decisions on how to act in this mortal coil. You will have to decide if you're going to be an upstanding citizen or not. And I felt this way this weekend.

那一刻我脑子被虫蛀了似的，想：如果我的播客主持人在我这处境会怎么做？劳动节周末我在一个农场。我带儿子看山羊。山羊在栅栏后面。

And I wondered in this moment because I'm so brain wormed. I wondered what would my podcast host do in this position that I was in? I was at a farm this weekend over Labor Day. And we we I was showing my son some goats. The goats were behind a fence.

栅栏上有块牌子。牌子上写：不要喂山羊。嗯。不要喂山羊。嗯。

The fence had a sign. The sign said, don't feed the goats. Mhmm. Don't feed the goats. Mhmm.

到处都是草，随手就能拔一把喂山羊。嗯。旁边一个小男孩就拔了草喂山羊。嗯。

There was grass everywhere. You could easily pick some grass and feed the goats. Mhmm. A a young boy nearby did rip out some grass and feed the goats. Mhmm.

然后他又来了一次。我们说的是三次、四次，也许五次。

Then he did it again. We're talking three, four, maybe five.

有一个家长，一个像A家长那样的家长

With a parent with a parent like A parent

站在一旁玩手机。

is standing to the side on their phone.

明白了。

I see.

我是说，一边玩一边跟朋友闲聊。

I mean With and gabbing to friends.

在这件事上，他们没玩手机？

On this has not been on their phone?

他们关注你说得对。

They following You're right.

他们在关注特柳赖德电影节的最新消息吗？

Are they following the latest news from the Telluride Film Festival?

是的。我觉得他们在关注。我想他们在看到特柳赖德这么多好消息后，担心大卫·厄利希是否还好。

Yes. I think they are. I think they're wondering if David Ehrlich is okay after seeing all this good news in Telluride.

问题其实很简单。

The question is quite simple here.

你能喂那些山羊吗？

Is can you feed those goats?

嗯，你不能。你不应该喂。那儿有个牌子写着不要喂山羊。

Well, you can't. You're not supposed to. Well, there's a sign that says don't feed the goats.

你会怎么做？你会

What do you do? Do

告诉这孩子停下来吗？

tell this child to stop?

嗯，你看，我的问题是，他们的意思是不是不要把你手里的三明治或燕麦棒喂给山羊，而不是指它们自己就能吃到的草？

Well, see, my question is like, I do they mean don't feed the goats your sandwich or a granola bar and not the grass that is readily available to

我是说，牌子上写着不要喂山羊。

them? Mean, it says don't feed the goats.

但你真的觉得他们担心的是山羊吃草这件事吗？

But do you think that the goats eating the grass is really what they're concerned about?

你现在就是在为自己的行为找借口。

Well, now you're justifying your actions.

我我又没在做这件事。我是说，我觉得如果我是家长，我会按牌子说的做，因为这是给孩子树立规矩的方式。你会说，嘿，牌子上写着别做，那就别做。

I I'm not the one who's doing this. I'm saying I think the intent of the I think that if I if I'm a parent, I am enforcing that sign because that is what you do for kids. You say, hey. The sign says don't do this. Don't do this.

前几天我就遇到一个地方不让骑自行车，虽然骑了会让我的生活轻松很多，而且也不会有人受伤。但我还是觉得其实没对山羊造成任何伤害，我就不会说什么。

I did this the other day with a place where you weren't allowed to ride a bike, even though it would have made my life much easier and no one would have been harmed if my kid had ridden a But I think that no harm was actually being done to the goats and I would not have said anything.

我真的觉得这对我来说不是什么复杂的问题。如果不喂山羊——你的孩子会

This really doesn't feel like a complicated issue for me. If not feeding goats- Your child would

绝不会做这种事。

never do such a thing.

哦，不会。

Oh, no.

他们肯定会喂山羊。但这完全属于那种你对孩子说“别那样做”的情况，而当你看到别的孩子这么做时，就不是什么大事，也不是你的问题。就像，这非常——山羊不是我的——

And they would absolutely feed the goats. But this falls squarely into the category of you say to your child when they're doing it, don't do that. And when you see another child doing it, not a big deal, not your problem. Like, that is that is a very like, the goats are not my my

我的孩子显然受到了启发。

child was obviously being inspired.

我明白了。

I see.

我们当时正站着。

And we were standing.

这是一个很好的教育机会，你可以说：‘就算看到别人违反上帝的律法’

It's a great learning opportunity for you to say just because you see someone else breaking the god's law.

这就是这就是这就是

This is this is this is what

并不意味着他

I does not mean that he

我没有责骂那个不是我自己的孩子。

did not scold the child who was not my own.

你最好别这么做。

You better not have.

也没有给出任何暗示。

Or make or make a subtle suggestion.

我得说，不同的家庭有不同的规矩。比如，这个孩子可以做这个，为什么我就不行？这种情况在我们和我家、我姐家的孩子一起旅行时会发生，通常大家意见一致，但有时你得说，他们和你不一样，他们在做不同的事。

I will say had to do a lot of different families have different rules. Like, this kid's allowed to do this. Why am I not allowed to do this? And it happens, like, when we go on trips with my family and my sister's kids and generally on the same page, sometimes you have to be like, they're different from you. They're doing something different.

这不是我会做的选择。孩子们得学会接受。

It's not a choice I would make. And the kids have to deal with that.

让我告诉你那一刻之后到底发生了什么。

Well, let me tell you what happened exactly after this moment.

你把那孩子扔进山羊圈了。

You threw the kid into the goat pen.

我扔了，还喂了山羊，还掰断了面包卷。我们接着往农场出口走，那里有一大片花田。他们种花，你可以自己去摘花束。但在这个夏天的阶段，其实是不允许的。事实上，有个牌子写着：不要摘花。

I threw and I fed the goats, and I broke the roll. We proceeded to walk toward the exit of the farm where there was a big field of flowers. So they grow flowers and you can go pick your own bouquets. But at this stage of the summer, you're not supposed to. In fact, there's a sign that says, don't pick the flower.

天啊。感觉像是孩子们正朝它走去。

Jesus Christ. It feels like a children's walk toward it.

我们朝它走去。我们朝出口走去，有一对父女在摘花。现在，当你需要……当……

We walk toward it. We walk toward the exit, and there is a father and daughter picking flowers. Now When you need to have when when