拉迪·德夫卢基亚-谢蒂：自律、个性化营养与乐购购物

说实话，我认为这正是让你坚持的原因——或许有一件事能促使你转向植物性饮食，甚至是尝试植物性饮食日。

And that's honestly what keeps you I think there's one thing that can make you turn to a plant based diet or even plant based days.

但想要长期坚持确实需要花些功夫。

But then trying to stick to it is a little bit of work.

比如你必须学会调味，学会如何将这种饮食方式融入生活和厨房。

Like you have to learn flavor and you have to learn how to add that into your life and how to add that into your kitchen.

而我认为这正是让我持续这段旅程的关键。

And I think that's what's really kept me on this journey.

老实说，我从未后悔过这个决定。

And I've honestly never looked back.

我感觉自己状态前所未有的好。

Like I've never felt better.

是啊，我也是。

Yeah, same.

从没感觉这么好过。

Never felt better.

一样。

Same.

我也很幸运，从小就吃素。

I was lucky also that I've been a veggie from a very young age.

所以过渡当然很容易。

So the transition was certainly easy.

虽然还有些需要适应和摸索的地方，但现在我已经完全适应了。

There's still things to get used to and navigate, but I'm now in the swing of it.

这就是为什么我喜欢看素食食谱，总能获得很多新灵感。

But that's why I love reading plant based cookbooks because you just get so many new ideas.

你有没有发现

Did you find

身体适应起来困难吗？还是反应良好？

the transition hard for your body or did your body respond well to it?

没有，我的身体还挺适应的。

No, my body was kind of fine with it.

我是说，我本来就在吃大量植物性食物，所以更像是坚持原有习惯而非彻底改变。

Mean, I was eating a ton of plant based stuff anyway, so it was almost just like sticking to it rather than a total overhaul.

有一点我完全不了解，但觉得在讨论阿育吠陀饮食和生活时非常重要，就是这三种生活模式——萨埵、罗阇，还有...

One thing that I had no clue about that I feel is really integral when it comes to talking about Ayurveda food and living, are these three modes of living, satva, is it rajas, is it how

对，那是罗阇。

that's Rajas, yeah.

以及答摩。

And Tamar.

回到选择植物性饮食的话题，我可能误解或低估的一点是食物的振动频率。

And going back to looking at your decisions around eating plant based, one of the things that I maybe misunderstood or had underestimated was looking at the vibration of a food.

比如肉类来自被宰杀的动物，按照这个理论，这种食物就带有低振动频率，含有痛苦、创伤或苦难的能量。

So if you've got meat and that animal has been slaughtered for the meat, what we're saying here is that food product has a low vibration, there's pain or trauma or suffering within that piece of food.

而你正在摄入这种能量。

So you're ingesting that.

能详细讲讲这个概念吗？这对我来说完全是新知识。

So tell us a bit more about that concept because that's all new to me.

萨埵（sattva）代表善良形态，罗阇（rajas）代表激情形态，答摩（tamasik）则代表愚昧形态。

So as sattva means mode of goodness, rajas means mode of passion, tamasik means mode of ignorance.

在阿育吠陀体系中，这三种形态不仅用于食物分类，更涵盖了你感官所接触的一切——我们周遭万物都存在于这三种形态中，它们从根本上决定事物是能提升我们的身体、心智与灵性，还是会造成损耗。

And so those are the modes that in Ayurveda they categorize not only the food that you're eating, but again, everything that you allow into your senses, everything around us lives within these three modes, whether it's essentially gonna uplift us body, mind or spirit, or whether it's gonna deplete us.

当谈到这些分类中的食物时，善良形态的食物就是我们刚才讨论的那种。

And so foods, when you're talking about foods in those categories, if you think a mode of goodness, it's what we were talking about.

能带来生命力的食物，在阿育吠陀中称为'阿贾斯（Ajas）'。

What can bring vitality and in Ayurveda, it's called Ajas.

它被视为一种生命力，是由优质食物在体内产生的黄金精华，就像身体酿造出的甘露。

It's considered like the vitality, the golden juice in your body that's produced from all the good food that you eat, there's like a nectar that's produced in the body.

这种甘露会随着血液在脉管中流动。

And that nectar flows through your blood and your veins.

正是这种精华创造了外在的光彩——健康的毛发、润泽的肌肤、强韧的指甲和体魄，以及充沛的生命活力。

And that's what creates the external glow, the healthy hair, healthy skin, the good quality nails and strength in your body, but also vigor and vitality in the body.

当你食用善良形态的食物时——大家可以想象一下：在你心目中哪些食物属于这个类别？通常是新鲜果蔬这类仍保持着鲜亮生命力的食物，本质上越接近其天然状态的食物越符合。

So when you're eating foods in the mode of goodness, which are, I mean, if anybody can think of what they would think what in your mind, think of what you would think of a food in the mode of goodness, it's fresh fruits and vegetables, all the foods that feel like they've still got the brightness and the freshness in them, basically anything that's the closer it is to where it came from.

当你从树上摘下一个苹果时，它的新鲜度和生命力永远无法与商店购买的相比。

So when you pick an apple from a tree, the freshness and vitality in that apple will never be the same as one bought in a store.

本质上，越是接近与自然相连的状态，对身体的活力和益处就越大。

And so essentially, the closer it can be to the point of being still connected to nature, that's gonna have the most amount of vitality and goodness for your body.

而激情属性的食物则是那些刺激你身体的食物。

And then mode of passion are the foods that stimulate your body.

这包括咖啡因、糖分以及能激活身体的香料。

And so it would be considered like caffeine, sugar, the spices that invigorate your body.

它们并不一定对你有害。

So they're not necessarily bad for you.

在阿育吠陀中，没有绝对的好坏之分。

Nothing in Ayurveda is considered good or bad.

关键在于它如何影响你的身体。

It's how it affects your body.

像辣椒和生姜这类香料，实际上具有极强的刺激性，能促进血液循环。

And so spices like cayenne pepper and ginger, they're actually very stimulating, they get your blood flowing.

因此它实际上会在你体内产生大量能量。

And so it actually creates a lot of energy in your body.

所以这些被认为是激情模式，因为它们也能在身体和心灵中激发热情。

And so those are considered mode of passion because they are the things that create passion in the body too, and in the mind.

而愚昧模式基本上是指那些感觉毫无生气的食物。

And then mode of ignorance are basically the foods that feel lifeless.

例如，油炸食品就属于这一类别。

So deep fried food, for example, is part of that category.

当你油炸蔬菜或其他食物时，会流失所有营养成分。

When you deep fry vegetables or anything, loses all its nutrients.

它基本上只剩下密度，毫无生命力可言。

It's basically dense with no vitality left in it.

同理，当你想到动物时，它们体内充满生命力，拥有从草料和蔬菜中摄取的全部营养。

And in the same way, when you think about animals, animals have life in them, full force life in them, they have the nutrients that they're eating from the grass and the vegetables that they're eating.

但想想我们的身体，我们都听说过你实际上会在身体不同部位承载痛苦——器官、组织中都会有，那些被困在体内的情绪会导致你身体出现各种疼痛。

But if you think about our bodies, we've all heard that you actually hold suffering in different parts of your bodies, you hold it in your organs, your tissues, you get aches and pains in your physical body from emotions that are trapped in the body.

同样地，想象一只终生被关在笼子里的鸡，它可能遭受伤害、被啄食，被喂以最糟糕的东西——化学物质等等。

So in the same way, imagine a chicken that has been kept in a cage its whole life where it's been probably hurt and nipped out and fed with the most you know, horrible things, the chemicals, whatever it is.

奶牛也是如此，当你饮用牛奶时，它们被饲养在极其恶劣的环境中。

Same with cows when you're drinking the milk, they're kept in such terrible conditions.

所以想象一下——虽然我不愿这么说——想象你正在食用一个经历过那种苦难、遭受过持续不断的身心虐待、从未见过阳光、生活在可怕环境中的人的肉体。

So then imagine, and I don't like giving this, but imagine you were eating the flesh of a human that had been through that suffering, that had been through abuse, that had been through mental and physical abuse constantly nonstop, had been given no sunlight, that was just into terrible conditions.

我这样解释是为了让人们能真正设身处地地思考这个问题。

And I'm explaining it so people can really think about it as relative to them.

想象一下食用那种肉，你会从那个肉体中感受到什么？即使从能量层面来说，当你遇到一个经历过苦难、情绪低落、能量低迷的人时，仅仅是站在他们身边你就能感受到那种状态，更不用说食用他们的肉体了。

So imagine eating that meat and what you would be feeling from that flesh from experience, even energetically when you meet someone that's been through suffering, that's in a low mood that's got low energy, do you not feel that from just being next to them, let alone eating their flesh.

因此当你食用动物肉体时，你必须意识到生命已经离开了它们。

And so when you eat animal flesh, you have to also realize that life has left them.

所以我们不仅是在吞食它们能量体中残留的痛苦，更是在食用一具已无生命迹象的尸体。

And so not only are we eating the remnants and the suffering of their energetic body, but then we're eating the corpse of something that no longer has life left in it.

那么营养究竟在哪里呢？

So where are the nutrients?

那个动物体内所有美好的东西都已经正式离开了躯体。

Where is where is anything that's everything that that was good with that animal has officially left the body.

所以从灵魂离开身体的那一刻起，从我们死亡的那一刻起，我们就开始分解，随着生命的延续不断分解。

And so as soon as we start disintegrating from the moment the soul leaves the body from the moment that we die, We're we're disintegrating as we go on in life.

就像，这只是生命的一部分，当你的生命离开身体后，它就会开始以更快的速度退化。

Like, that's just part of what And life then and then your life leaves your body, and then and then it can it starts degenerating at a faster pace.

那么想象一下你在商店买到的肉，它对你的身体做了什么，里面还剩下什么。

So then imagine the meat that you'll get then getting in a store, what that's doing to your body and what that what what's even left in it.

是的。

Yeah.

抱歉用了这么极端的描述，但我总是会想到这些。

I'm sorry for the extreme description, but I always think about this.

这是必要的。

It's needed.

我认为这是值得讨论的。

Think it's, you know, it's up for discussion.

正如你所说，这是供大家深思的问题，如果感觉压力太大或觉得不适合自己，可以选择植物性饮食日，但我认为这是个非常值得思考的有趣观点，也是我知之甚少的一个领域。

It's for everyone to mull over and think about, like you say, can do plant based days if it feels too overwhelming, or it doesn't feel like it's for you, but I think it's a really interesting consideration and something that I knew very little about.

学习阿育吠陀确实让我大开眼界，让我从另一个层面思考食物——不仅是它的味道和带给你的感受，还包括这些食物真正的能量价值。

So learning about Ayurveda has been really eye opening to sort of think about food at another level, not just how it tastes and how it's making you feel, but actually the energetic value of those products.

我觉得这真的非常非常有趣。

I think it's really, really interesting.

你还结合了24小时生物钟，讨论了我们该如何以及何时进食。

And also you combine into that the twenty four hour clock and how and when we should be eating.

现在我觉得这特别迷人，因为我们很多人睡眠质量差，长期处于高压状态，进食时间混乱——有人为了配合工作时间，有人常年上夜班，还有带婴儿的父母（其实我家孩子也总半夜醒来），整个作息完全乱套。

Now I find this really fascinating because I think many of us suffer with poor sleep, many of us are so stressed out the whole time and we're eating at weird times of day because we're trying to fit it around work or some people out there are, you know, working regular nights, People with young babies, not even young babies, my kids to wake up all the time in the night and you're like all over the shop.

当我们知道自己的生物钟已经失衡时，该如何尝试顺应这种自然节律和24小时周期呢？

How can we try and work with this natural rhythm and the twenty four hour clock when we know that things are a bit out of balance or off center timing wise?

嗯，问得好。

Yeah, good question.

我在书中提到的24小时生物钟，完全与自然韵律相关。

So the twenty four hour clock that I speak about in the book is all to do with the rhythm of nature.

所以我常说，我们并非生活在自然之中，而是自然的一部分。

And so I always say that we don't live in nature, we are part of it.

就像月亮和太阳的起落一样，我们的身体也是如此运作的。

And so just as the moon and the sun set and rise, that's how our body works too.

因此，太阳被视为我们的消化系统，就像消化之火一样。

And so the sun is what our digestion is considered is referred to as like a digestive fire.

早晨醒来时，想想你的消化系统已经休眠了近八小时——假设人们一直在睡觉的话。

And so in the morning, if you think about when you're waking up, your digestion has been dormant almost for about eight hours, let's say if people have been sleeping.

所以与其在早上大量进食，不如说应该慢慢唤醒你的消化系统。

And so instead of loading on lots and lots in the morning, it says you should stoke your digestion.

早上吃些清淡的食物让身体做好准备，因为你的消化之火在夜间基本处于抑制状态。

So having something lighter in the morning to kind of get your body ready and prepared before your because your digestive fire is essentially dampened during the night.

就像用小块木头慢慢生火一样，你需要在早晨慢慢唤醒消化系统。

And so you kind of have to just like you stoke a fire with small pieces of wood, you have to stoke your digestion in the morning.

想想那时太阳的位置，它才刚刚开始升起。

And so if you think about where the sun is at that point, it's just about rising.

然后太阳在下午达到顶峰，处于最高点。

And then the sun gets to its peak and its highest in the afternoon.

这也反映在我们的身体上，我们的消化系统在下午最强。

And that also is mimicked in our body where our digestion is the strongest in the afternoon.

因此在阿育吠陀中，建议在此时享用我们最丰盛的一餐。

And so in Ayurveda, it's recommended to have our largest meal then.

所以对任何人来说，即使你在上夜班，我觉得你需要让你的身体适应那种节奏，但几乎是颠倒过来。

And so for anybody, even if you're doing even if you're doing nights, I feel like with that, you have to your body to that rhythm, but almost invert it Yeah.

无论你处于何种状态，关键在于调节。

Where where you're still you're still what it is, it's about regulation.

这就是我的理解。

That's that's how I put it down.

我们已经太习惯于被感官支配的生活，我们向感官屈服，想着'哦，我的身体现在想吃这个，现在想做那个'。

We have gotten so used to living with our senses where we where we bow down to our senses and we're like, oh, my body wants to eat this now and this here and and wants to go and do this right now.

但我们应该反过来，不是让感官控制我们，而是我们要掌控自己的感官。

But instead, instead of them controlling us, we have to reverse it where we're in control of our senses.

所以实际上，即使你试图遵循自然节律生活，但由于工作性质无法做到时，那就尝试通过调节来实现。

And so actually, even if you're trying to live within the rhythm of nature, and you can't do that because of the work that you do, Instead, try regulation.

这意味着要确保自己在正确的时间进食，并保持餐间有足够的时间间隔，这一点非常重要。

And so that means am I eating at the right times, enough time between the meals, that's really important.

因为如果你不断进食，比如在正餐之间吃零食或频繁用餐，你的消化系统就没有机会消化已有的食物。

Because when you end up eating over and over again, and like snacking in between and having lots of meals, your digestion doesn't get the opportunity to digest what was already in there.

这样你就会不断堆积新的食物。

And so you just keep adding and adding.

因此阿育吠陀建议两餐之间间隔三小时。

And so Ayurveda recommends three hours between meals.

即使你能吃早餐，也要确保午餐前有三小时间隔，晚餐前同样保持三小时间隔。

So even if you're able to do your breakfast, you have at least a three hour gap, you have your lunch three hour gap, and then you eat your dinner.

如果你夜间需要保持清醒，可以保持相同的进食节奏，但要严格遵守这个规律。

And if you're, you know, awake during the night, you have that same rhythm, but you stick to that.

所以节律可以是个人的节奏。

And so rhythm just means it can be a personal rhythm.

它不一定非得遵循自然节律。

It doesn't necessarily have to be a nature rhythm.

但建立一套有条理的饮食方式来获取营养对身体至关重要，因为我们本质上也是一部精密机器。

But having a methodical way to actually eat and receive nourishment is really important for your body because we're essentially a mechanism too.

就像，我们其实需要规律性，即便我们自以为不需要。

Like, we like regularity even if we think we don't.

是啊。

Yeah.

我的意思是，如果完全凭感官行事，我可能会整天只吃黄油吐司。

I mean, if I was led by my senses, I'd literally butter toast all day.

确实。

Yeah.

没错。

Yeah.

正是这样。

Exactly.

因为这是最美味的餐点

Because it's the best meal

是啊

Yeah.

现成的

Available.

吐司

Toast.

嗯哼

Mm-mm.

没有什么比黄油吐司更美味的了

There is nothing better than buttered toast.

等等

Wait.

你喜欢马麦酱吗？

Are you a Marmite person?

不是。

Nope.

好吧。

Okay.

不。

No.

不要马麦酱。

No Marmite.

我可能会选花生酱，但吐司上只涂黄油。

I might go peanut butter, but just butter on toast.

我觉得这简直无可匹敌。

I don't see how it's it's beatable.

确实。

No.

真的无可匹敌。

It really isn't.

也许可以配上一碗好汤，蘸着吃，像小士兵那样。

Maybe with, like, a nice soup on the side to dip, little soldiers.

是啊。

Yeah.

好吧。

Fine.

但即便只是

But even just on

单吃黄油吐司就很棒。

its Just own the butter toast.

我想不出在任何时候还有什么比这更想吃的了。

I can't think of anything I'd rather eat at any time of

没错，面包永远是我的首选食物。

Yeah, the bread is always my food of choice.

太好吃了。

It's so good.

但我喜欢的是我们需要运用一些自律，需要遵循这种自然节律，并明白这会对我们有益——提升我们的能量水平和活力，同时尽可能减轻所有外在症状，让我们感到舒适。

But what I like is that we have to apply some discipline and we have to apply looking at this natural rhythm and knowing that it will benefit us, our energy levels and our vibrancy, and for all of those outward symptoms to be minimized as much as possible so that we feel comfortable.

我觉得这关乎舒适感，对吧？

I think it's about comfort, isn't it?

要知道，没人想感到腹胀。

Know, no one wants to feel bloated.

没人想要干燥发痒的皮肤或易激的肠道。

No one wants to have dry itchy skin or to have an irritable bowel.

我们都渴望舒适的感觉。

We want to feel comfort.

所以如果我们顺应这些自然节律和直觉，就能帮助减轻所有这些症状，并量身定制适合你的方案。

So if we work with these natural rhythms and our intuition, we're gonna help to minimize all of this stuff and make it bespoke, make it for you.

另外我觉得特别有趣却完全不了解的是——你们不用洋葱和大蒜？告诉我们为什么。

So, also the other thing I thought was really interesting that I had no clue about was you don't use onion or garlic in Tell us why.

因为我做什么菜都会放它们。

Cause I put it in everything,

尤其是大蒜。

especially garlic.

我就是这样，大蒜，我冰箱里冻了好几袋，随便什么菜都放。

I'm just like, garlic, I've got frozen bags of it and I'm just like, any meal.

大蒜。

Garlic.

我在想为什么不能吃大蒜？

I think Why no garlic?

阿育吠陀学说认为万物皆可为药。

In Ayurveda, it says that everything can be medicinal.

关键在于用量多少。

It just depends how much you use of it.

其实洋葱和大蒜具有极强的药用价值。

So onion and garlic actually have extreme medicinal properties.

在古代它们就被用作药材，需要大剂量使用。

It was used as medicine back in the day, like in potent quantities.

但对很多人来说，我们最终会过量使用这些东西。

But for a lot of us, we end up using things in excess.

当你过量使用洋葱和大蒜时，它们实际上被认为是rajthik（激性食物）。

And when you use onion and garlic in excess, it's actually considered rajthik.

这最终会在体内产生大量热量和强度。

So it ends up creating a lot of heat and intensity in the body.

所以即使你想想患有肠易激综合征的人，他们一去肠易激诊所，医生首先告诉他们的就是FODMAP饮食法，其中包括洋葱和大蒜，因为这些食物实际上会刺激肠道，由于它们的强烈特性而在体内产生气体和腹胀。

And so even if you think about someone with IBS, as soon as they go to an IBS clinic, the first thing they're told is the FODMAP diet and that includes onion and garlic, where it actually can end up irritating the gut and creating gas and bloating in the body because of how strong it is.

因此我们现在已习惯将其作为所有菜肴的基础。

And so we've learned now to make it the base of everything.

所以我一直在挑战自己，思考如何在不总是以洋葱和大蒜为基础的情况下，依然能做出美味可口的食物。

So I kind of challenged myself on how can we create food that can still taste delicious and wonderful without constantly using the onion and garlic as the base.

这让我有机会去探索各种香料。

And it allowed me to explore spices.

而香料不仅能增添食物的风味，还具有药用价值。

And spices are not only adding flavor to your food, they are medicinal.

我把香料盒当作药箱，每天用它来调理身体。

Like I turn to my spice box as my medicine box and how to heal my body every single day.

我将其视为防护盔甲，你可以把香料加入食物或饮用水中。

I see it as like protective armor where you can throw spices into your food, into the water you're drinking.

说实话，它能促进消化、增强免疫力，无论内外，香料都能为身体注入活力。

And honestly, it helps to boost your digestion, improve your immunity, externally, internally, like spices give so much life to your body.

这是其中一个原因。

And so that was one reason.

从能量角度说，你的身体反应也反映了你的心理状态。

And then energetically, it says, however your body reacts is also how your mind reacts.

对于想要冥想和练习瑜伽的人来说，食用过多愚昧或激情属性的食物也会过度刺激心智。

And so for someone who wants to meditate and practice yoga, having foods too much in the mode of ignorance or passion can end up overstimulating your mind too.

这就是原因所在。

And so that's the reason.

哇。

Wow.

是的。

Yeah.

说实话，我从阅读中学到了很多。

I honestly hadn't I learned so much from reading this.

那我们来聊聊冥想和瑜伽吧。

So let's talk about meditation and yoga.

你是五点起床的人。

You're a five amer.

我是五点起床的人。

I am a five amer.

每天都这样吗？

Is this every damn day?

对，基本都是5:30。

Yeah, pretty much 05:30.

我觉得我的身体已经习惯早起了。

I my think body just gotten used to waking up early.

所以即使我晚睡，我的身体还是会，你知道的，在五点半左右自然醒。比如昨天我因为有个活动凌晨一点才睡，但六点就醒了。

So even if I go to sleep late, my body's still, you know, waking me up by I think I went to sleep at one yesterday because I had an event and then woke up at six.

是啊。

Yeah.

我是说，根本没法睡过六点。

Mean, can't sleep past six.

几乎不可能。

It's like almost impossible.

对。

Yeah.

没错。

Exactly.

这大概更多是因为我家孩子的关系，而不是你那个冥想计划的影响。

That's probably more sort of do with my kids rather than a meditation program that you've got going on.

所以你五点起床后，立刻就开始冥想吗？

So you're 5AM up, meditate straight away?

不，我会先刷牙，然后通常会接些热水或泡杯茶之类的，再坐下来冥想。

No, so I will brush my teeth, then normally get some hot water or like a tea or something, then I'll sit down to do my meditation.

我通常喜欢随便选个地方，我觉得不同的空间能为你创造不同的能量场。

I usually like picking a space wherever I am just to create like, I think, spaces and different places can create different energies for you.

记得我住在纽约一个700平方英尺的公寓时，即便那样我也会坐在窗边，就放个小垫子。

And so even if I remember living in like 700 square foot apartment in New York, and even then it will be by the window, I just had a little pillow that would sit by.

我知道那就是我要坐着冥想的地方。

And I knew that that's where I would sit and do my meditation.

所以我醒来就会去那里冥想。

And so I'd wake up and do that.

这让我想起你之前关于自律的讨论，因为我们从小总认为自律是种束缚。

And actually that reminded me of what you said about discipline, because I think we grow up thinking that discipline is restrictive.

但实际上自律能给生活带来极大的自由，因为你不会被任何事物掌控。

But actually discipline creates so much freedom in your life because you're not controlled by anything.

你能坚持做某些事，这种坚持反而让你在行动中获得真正的自由感。

You are able to stick to something and it allows you to actually feel free in the way that you move.

而人们对此有不同的看法。

And people see it in a different way.

你以为自律意味着束缚，但其实根本不是这样。

Like you think discipline means restriction, and it just doesn't.

我发现越是自律，心灵就越感到自由。

I found the more disciplined I've got, the more free I felt in my mind.

我认为冥想也帮助我做到了这一点，无论身处何地都坚持日常练习，这让我能够对自己有所承诺，不仅培养了自律，更让我学会更爱自己。

And I think meditation has allowed me to do that too, having a regular practice that I go to no matter where I'm traveling, no matter what place I'm in, it allows me to commit something to myself, which builds not only discipline, but also, I think committing to things allows you to love yourself so much more.

就像我人生中最缺乏安全感的时期，恰恰是生活中毫无自律的时候。

Like, I built so much more when I the most insecure times in my life have been when I've had no discipline in my life.

因为没有承诺任何事情，就像对待一段感情不认真一样。

Because I haven't committed anything I haven't, it's like committing to a relationship.

你不断告诉自己要做某件事，却从未付诸行动。

You're just constantly telling yourself you're gonna do something and then you don't do it.

这真的会严重打击你的自尊。

And it really lowers your self esteem.

因此，冥想可能是我人生中真正坚持并感到能够投入的第一件事。

And so meditation was probably the first thing I really stuck to in my life and felt like I was able to commit to.

这逐渐在我内心建立起更多东西，甚至让我意识到这是我在为自己做出承诺。

And that slowly started building so much more in me that I even realized it was me committing something to myself.

所以我每天醒来后都会做冥想，我进行的是曼陀罗冥想。

So I wake up, do my meditation and I do Mantra meditation.

‘曼’代表心灵，‘陀罗’在梵语中意为超越。

It is man means mind and tra is the word in Sanskrit translates to transcend.

它确实能帮助你在短时间内超越自我，脱离身心束缚，真正连接到内心深处某个更深的所在。

And so it really helps you to essentially transcend move out of your mind and your body for a short period of time to really connect to a place that's hopefully a little bit deeper in you.

多么美好的清晨开端啊。

So gorgeous starts of the day.

确实如此。

It is.

知道为什么我起这么早吗？因为我爱...

And I love you know why I wake up so early?

说实话，这是因为在太阳升起之前月亮的能量，就是这样。

Honestly, it's because of how the like, the moon's energy before this when the sun comes up, that's it.

我们准备好出发，充满活力。

We are ready to go and we are roaring.

它带来那种'行动吧'的能量，让我们开始这一天并行动起来。

It brings that energy of go, let's start this day and get moving.

而月亮的能量，如果你能醒来时瞥见它，对心灵是如此抚慰和平静，实际上在你感觉世界仍在沉睡时稍微提前一点开始你的一天。

Whereas the energy of the moon, if you can wake up and just catch a glimpse of it, it is so soothing and calming to the mind that actually starting your day just a little bit before where you get it, where you feel like the world is still sleeping.

它能给予你如此之多。

It can give so much to you.

所以即使你是一位母亲，在孩子醒来前五分钟起床，我

So even if you're a mom and you wake up maybe five minutes earlier than your kids wake I

我每天特意早起四十五分钟，就为了保持清醒。

wake up forty five minutes earlier on purpose every day just so I can be sane.

完全赞同。

Totally.

我静静地站在厨房里想着，这是我的专属时光。

And I stand in my kitchen in silence going, this is my time.

是我的 这是

Is my This is

我的 那个

my The

猫咪们有点烦人，它们总在那儿，但除此之外，这真的很重要。

cats are being a bit annoying and they're there, but it's bar that, it's like, it's essential.

如果我不这么做我会疯掉的。

I'll go mad if I didn't do that.

不，完全同意。

No, totally.

我经常收到消息说这是某人有孩子前的生活规律。

I always get messages saying this is a, like, a routine for someone before kids.

等你有了孩子就知道了。

Wait till you have kids.

我就觉得，其实不需要一小时那么久。

And I'm like, it doesn't have to be an hour.

说真的，哪怕提前五分钟也行。

Like, honestly, it can be five minutes earlier.

把闹钟调早五分钟，和自己独处片刻，深呼吸，就这样简单。

Set your alarm five minutes earlier, sit with yourself, take deep breaths, and that's it.

完全没必要搞得那么复杂。

Like, it doesn't have to be a whole ordeal.

不必非要完整执行从早5点开始的整套流程，选一件为自己而做的事就够了。

It doesn't have to be doing the 5AM routine from beginning to end, pick one thing that you do for yourself.

本质上就是这么回事。

That's essentially what it is.

这是在世界占据你之前，重新与自己建立连接的短暂时刻。

It's you connecting back to you for a small moment before the world takes over.

就像你说的，你要为自己的行为负责。

And like you say, you're accountable for your own actions.

我喜欢你说的这个概念：说要做什么就真的去做。

I like this notion of you say you're gonna do something and you do it.

我一直有这种感觉，比如我正在读一本关于跑步的书，我可以跑很多，也可以完全不跑。

I always have it, like I've been reading a book about running at the moment and I can like run a lot or not run at all.

这本书是阿黛尔·罗伯茨写的，我很快要采访她。她跑过好几次马拉松，但最后一次是在她患肠癌之后。

What's the So book it's a book by Adele Roberts who I'm interviewing soon and she has run several marathons, but the last one she did was post her having bowel cancer.

她带着造口袋，她是第一个——我想也是跑得最快的带着造口袋的马拉松选手。

So she has a stoma and she's the first person that's, well, she's I think the fastest marathon runner to have a stoma.

这真的太棒了，因为她给自己设定了'我一定要做到'的目标。

And it's just so brilliant because she set herself this goal of I'm gonna do it.

所以她坚持训练，尽管有疼痛、不适和各种挑战。

So she got herself training, even though there was pain, discomfort and challenges.

我当时就想，哇，这可能正是我们喜欢给自己设挑战的原因——完成后可以说'我做到了'。

And I was like, wow, I think that is actually why we like putting challenges before ourselves because we go, oh, I did it.

我说过我要做到，

I said I was gonna do it and

我做到了

I did

做到了。

it.

重点不在于你刚跑完马拉松或者连续冥想了一个月。

And it's not the fact that you've just won a marathon or you've meditated for a whole month every day.

关键在于你知道自己言出必行并且坚持到底。

It's the fact that you know that you're accountable and you've shown up.

我认为这才是快乐的源泉。

I think that is the joy.

当你坚持做某件事时，那种感觉真的很美好。

That is a lovely feeling when you stick to something.

比那些短暂的多巴胺刺激强多了。

Way better than those little dopamine hits.

这就像是在为自己创造持久的快乐，而不是那些只能带来短暂愉悦的小事。

Like, it's kind of like you're giving yourself longevity of joy rather than like those little things that you do that make you feel a little bit good for short periods of time.

这就像是在缓慢地积累快乐，最终这种快乐会更加持久。

It's almost like you're building up the joy in in a slow way, which then ends up being more sustainable.

是的。

Yeah.

我同意。

I agree.

但我们对此如此上瘾，比如追求多巴胺快感，看看手机、聊些八卦，这种快感来得快去得也快。

But we're so addicted to that, like quit dopamine hit, like, look at our phones or get some gossip or And it's just it peaks and then it troughs really, really quickly.

这样并不好。

It's not great.

听你谈论目标也很有趣，因为我之前看过你很久前的一个视频，你谈到生命中一段感到毫无目标的时期。

Interesting to hear you talk about purpose as well, because I was watching a video of you from I think it was quite a while back, but you were talking about a time in your life where you felt purposeless.

是的。

Yeah.

那时你不知道自己前进的方向，缺乏自信，回想那种迷失的感觉时情绪会特别激动——就是那种'我有点迷茫，不知道自己在做什么'的状态。

And you didn't know what direction you were moving in, you had no confidence, you actually extremely emotional sort of thinking about that feeling of just, I'm a bit lost, I don't know what I'm doing.

你是如何...我知道这个故事还有另一部分我稍后会谈到，就是你从学生转变为老师的经历，但你是如何找到那个目标的？

How did you, I and know there's also another part of this story I'll get onto in a minute, which is sort of you moving from student to teacher, but how did you find that purpose?

因为这感觉不仅仅是一本书，也不仅仅是一个Instagram账号。

Because this feels like more than a book, more than an Instagram account.

你在这里有点像是带着使命，要向人们展示我们可以使用预防性工具来帮助自己保持健康、感受活力，而不是依赖那些更偏向治疗的手段。

You're on a bit of a mission here to show people that we can use preventative tools to help ourselves stay healthy and feel vibrant rather than relying on things that are more cure led.

那么这种热情是从哪里开始的？你又是如何获得动力，真正创造了你现在所拥有的这个人生目标的？

So where did this passion start and how did you gain momentum to actually create this purpose that you now feel you have?

其中一件事就是开始更多地对自己负责。

One thing was definitely starting to commit more to myself.

我觉得自己与人生目标脱节，是因为我完全不了解自己是谁。

I feel I think I felt so disconnected to my purpose because I had no idea who I was.

我从未花时间去真正认识自己——我想要什么，想在这个世界上成为怎样的人，对朋友、家人和伴侣而言又该是怎样的角色，完全没有进行过自我反思。

I had not spent any time to actually get to know who I was, what I wanted, who I wanted to be in this world to my friends, to my family, to my partner, like there had been no self reflection done.

我想这就是我感到如此迷失的原因，并非因为我觉得自己没有工作。

And I think that's why I felt so lost because it wasn't because I didn't feel like I had a job.

我本可以拥有它。

I could have had it.

我本可以当一名营养师。

I could have worked as a dietitian.

那时我已经在做营养师的工作了。

I had worked as a dietitian by that point.

我已经有了头衔和责任。

I already had titles and responsibilities.

但我其实不知道这些是否让我快乐。

But I actually didn't know whether they're making me happy.

我想这是因为我大半生都在听别人认为我该做什么。

And I think it was because I had spent a lot of my life listening to what other people thought I should be doing.

因为我太懒了。

Because I was lazy.

我不想费心去弄清楚。

I didn't want to do the work to figure it out.

因此我认为别人都比我更了解自己

And so I thought everybody else knew better than I did for myself.

我想这种悲伤源于我意识到——我其实对别人的了解远胜于对自己的认识

And I think that the sadness came from me realizing I actually had I knew who other people were way more than I knew who I was.

我不知道自己喜欢什么

I didn't know what I liked.

我甚至不知道自己讨厌什么，一切都由身边人塑造

I didn't know what I didn't like everything was molded by everybody else around me.

于是我意识到：我活在这副躯壳里，却对自己一无所知

And so I think I had a realization that I'm in this body and I have no idea who I am.

直到当我央求别人替我作决定时，他们开始拒绝

And so it took people having to say no when I asked them to make a decision for me.

杰伊过去经常这样帮我做决定

Jay used to do that for me all the time.

他会说：'不，你知道该怎么做'

And he'll be like, no, you know how to do this.

你不需要我来告诉你。

You don't need me to tell you.

直到我对那些总是说'我不知道'的人大发雷霆。

It took me getting really angry at those people being like, I don't know.

我需要帮助。

I need help.

你为什么不帮我？

Why are you not helping me?

并不是他们不愿意帮我。

And it wasn't that they weren't helping me.

他们是在试图帮助我自助。

They were trying to help me help me.

这需要大量的哭泣和写下所有关于自己的事情，最终我才意识到自己真正不喜欢什么以及这些情绪的根源。

And so it was it took a lot of crying and and writing out all the things about myself that I actually realized I did not like and where it was rooting from.

你提到的消极情绪，我们是如何被它滋养的。

What you said about the negativity, how we feed off it.

我深知当自己处于低谷时，如今这已成为一个警示信号——当我发现自己开始从他人生活的负面信息中汲取养分时，就意味着我偏离了正轨。

I know that when I'm at my lowest points, and now this is an indicator for me when I realized that I'm going off track is when I start feeding off negativity in other people's lives.

具体来说，当我开始沉溺于他人八卦并对此津津乐道，当这些流言蜚语开始让我感到满足时，我就意识到——某种脱节正在发生。

And by that, I mean, when I start indulging and salivating over gossip of other people, when I start finding that juicy and it starts say satiating me, I'm like, there is there is a disconnect happening

就在此刻。

right now.

我们都会这样，各位。

And we all do it, people.

这当然不可避免。

It's like, of course.

这是非常人性化的特质，但绝非好征兆。

That's such a human quality, but it's not a great sign.

但我们都可能落入这种陷阱。

But we all We can all fall into that trap.

当然会。

Course we can.

但这同时也表明，也许我现在并不快乐。

But it's also an indication that maybe I'm not happy right now.

因为当我从他人的不幸中获得快乐时，这就意味着我自身可能出了问题，因为那本不该是我寻找快乐的地方。

Because when I'm finding other people's downfalls, a place of joy for myself, that's an indication that maybe something isn't right with me, because that's not where I should be finding my joy.

于是我开始注意到一些细微的触发点，发现自己并没有活出应有的正直——我的言行并不一致。

And so I started noticing little triggers and where I was like I wanted to live with, I've noticed I was not living with so much integrity where my words weren't meeting my actions for myself.

所以我必须开始对事情做出承诺。

And so I just had to start committing to things.

我开始对往常会拒绝的事情说'是'。

So I started saying yes to things that I would normally say no to.

我开始进行更多探索。

I started exploring a lot more.

过去我总是活在自己的安全区和舒适圈里。

I used to live within my own safety zone and comfort.

而大多数时候，舒适对你并无益处。

And most of the time comfort isn't what's good for you.

这只是你习惯的。

It's just what you're used to.

所以我一直坚持着那些习惯的事，尽管它们未必对我最有益。

And so I kept sticking to the things I was used to, even though they weren't necessarily what's best for me.

于是我开始慢慢走出舒适区，让自己感到些许紧张和焦虑。

And so I started kind of venturing out slowly out of my comfort zone and making myself feel a little bit nervous and anxious.

但完成那些事后才意识到，哇，我做到了。

But then fulfilling those things and realizing, wow, I did that.

接着我开始了解自己，也许我做到了并且喜欢它，但这不意味着我必须再做一次。

And then I started getting to know myself of maybe I did that and I liked it, But it doesn't mean I have to do it again.

但至少我知道自己尝试过了。

But at least I know I've done it.

我努力过了。

And I've tried.

因此这是许多对自己的承诺，开始为自己做决定，开始观察自己以及我在特定情境下的感受和所做的事。

And so it was a lot of committing to myself, starting to make decisions for myself, starting to observe myself and how I feel in certain situations and the things that I do.

所以我会说观察是我必须开始从外向内审视自己，看看是什么，并像写日记一样记录——不是写'亲爱的日记'那种，而是记录我一天中发生的事情。

And so I'd say observation was where I had to start looking at myself from the outside in and seeing what is it and journaling like not journaling Dear Diary, but journaling of this is the things that happened in my day.

这些是我真正为之自豪并感到满意的事情。

This is what I did that I was really proud of and that I'm happy with.

而这些是我希望自己没说和没做的事情。

And And these are the things that I wish I hadn't said and wish I hadn't done.

然后在此基础上不断积累和成长。

And then building on that and growing through that.

然后食物是...你知道，我觉得我最初进入这个领域时并没有多想。

And then food was something, you know, I didn't I feel like I came into it without thinking about coming into it at the beginning.

我妈妈让我去读营养学学位。

My mom told me to do a nutrition degree.

她说，我觉得这对你有好处。

She was like, I think it'll be good for you.

我想像大多数印度人一样成为一名医生。

I want to be a doctor as most Indian people do.

但我没达到录取分数线。

And I didn't get the grades.

所以我当时完全不知道要做什么。

And so I had no idea what I was gonna do.

我妈妈就说，试试营养学吧。

My mom was like, try nutrition.

这是个新开设的学位。

It's a new degree.

还能获得政府助学金。

It's being like grants from the government.

我想着，好吧，太棒了，就学这个。

I was like, okay, great, I'll do it.

但后来我意识到自己多么热爱滋养他人——不仅是喂饱他们的身体，更是教会他们如何深层滋养自己，因为这就是我自我疗愈的方式。

But then I realized how much I love feeding people, but not just feeding people's like bodies, really showing them how to nourish themselves deeply because that's what I did for myself.

因此这本书的每个章节，都记录着真正帮助我从极度痛苦走向能传递喜悦的心路历程——这意味着我必须先让自己内心丰盈，才能做到这一点。

So every part of that book are things that actually got me from a point of extreme unhappiness to brought me to a point where I feel I can give joy to other people, which means I have to have enough in myself to do that.

而每天不断补充这种能量的源泉

And what keeps replenishing that on a daily basis.

这确实就是它的起源

And that's really where it came from.

我只是觉得自己非常幸运，能成为生命中许多伟大导师的学生

I just feel like I'm a really grateful student of many, many great teachers throughout my life.

而这正是这本书的真正意义

And that is really what the book is.

它只是我在分享这些东西

It's just me sharing those things.

我知道从学生身份转变需要极大勇气跨出舒适区，你原本很享受学生身份，也许那更

And I know that there was a huge amount of stepping out of your comfort zone to go from student, which you were happily doing and maybe that was more

是

of

一种舒适状态——天啊，或许我现在可以利用我的平台来教导人们：任何形式的转变都会伴随不适感

a to, comfortable oh God, maybe I could actually use my platform now to teach that there is a discomfort, I think in moving lane in any way.

在我的职业生涯中，确实有过这样的时刻：我这样做合适吗？

I have it certainly in parts of my career where I'm like, is it okay that I do this?

我尝试那样做合适吗？

Is it okay that I try that?

但当然，我们必须勇于尝试，屏蔽外界干扰，去探索新事物。

But of course, we've gotta give it a go and block out any outside noise and try new things.

那么从学生到老师的转变是怎样的？是什么给了你信心去完成这个转变？

So what was that transition like from student to now teacher and what gave you the confidence to do that?

说实话，给我信心的是一句话，它像触发器一样引发了一切。

What gave me the confidence to do that was honestly one line that kind of triggered everything.

这句话来自我的灵性导师之一——Radhanath Swamy。

It was from one of my spiritual teachers, Radhanath Swamy.

他说：'知识若不分享便毫无价值，因为当你把知识据为己有时，你会开始认为它是你自己的，并因此滋生傲慢。'

And he said, when knowledge is useless unless it's shared, because actually when you keep knowledge within you, you start believing it's your own and then you get ego from it.

最终你会被这些自我构建的东西所困。

So you end up building all these things up.

我知道这个，我知道那个，这是我的信息，这是我的知识。

I know this, I know this, this is my information, this is my knowledge.

当你把这些都藏在心里时，实际上会在内心滋生出很多自负，你会因为拥有所有这些信息、技能或天赋而开始感到高人一等。

And you keep it in you and that can actually build so much ego inside of you, you start feeling superior because you have all of this information, all of these skills or all these talents, whatever it is.

所以当我听到那句话时，我就觉得这太对了。

And so when I heard that I was like, this is so true.

我只想永远做个学生，因为我感觉自己一直在试图向自己证明些什么——证明我确实懂这些，我能做这个，我能做那个。

I just want to become a student constantly because I felt like I was trying to prove something to myself, that I was trying to prove to myself that I do know things and that I can do this and that I can do that.

而实际上，我们在地球上存在的责任是一个循环。

Versus, you know, the responsibility we have of being on this earth is a cycle.

不是只索取而不回馈。

It's not just we take and then we do nothing back.

这就像我们与自然、与他人、与子女、与父母之间的共生关系，终有一天你要回馈。

It's like this symbiotic relationship between us and nature, us and other humans, us and our children, us and our parents, at some point you end up giving back.

所以我认为，当你生命中出现导师时，就有责任以某种方式将这些分享给其他人。

And so I think that is the responsibility of when you end up having teachers in your life to then somehow share that with other people.

这并不意味着你必须大规模地去做。

And that doesn't mean you have to do at a large scale.

就像我记得在大学时，我妈妈教会了我做饭。

It's like I remember doing it at university that my mom had taught me how to cook.

所以我为和我同住宿舍的朋友们做饭。

And so I was cooking for my friends who were in the halls with me.

在我心里，这就是在分享我从妈妈——我的一位老师那里学到的东西。

And that in my mind, was like, yeah, that was me sharing what I'd received from my mom who was one of my teachers.

因此我认为这是一种向教导我的人表达感激的方式，多么美好啊，我能把这些传递给其他人，希望对他们有所帮助，就像对我一样。

And so I think I saw it as more of a way to show gratitude to the people who had taught me how beautiful that I can pass that on to other people in hopes that it helps them the same way it has me.

所以这让我成为了一个老师，却不必有当老师的感觉。

And so it helped me be a teacher without feeling like a teacher.

是啊，我是说，你如何缓解冒名顶替综合症呢？我想我们很多人...

Yeah, I mean, how do you mitigate imposter syndrome, which I think many of Oh

天啊，更糟。

us my god, worse.

是啊，确实不容易。

Yeah, mean, it's not easy.

总是带着

Always walking

一种格格不入的感觉走进房间。

into a room feeling like you don't belong.

就像上周，我女儿问我，她在学校做了个关于图书日的项目，他们讨论书籍时她突然问：'妈妈，你是作家吗？'

Like or even like week, my daughter went to me, she'd been doing this whole sort of project at school for, well, book day and they were talking about books and she went, are you an author, mom?

我当时想，我确实写过很多书。

And I was like, I've I've written a lot of books.

在内心深处，我当然他妈的是个作家。

I mean, I I I guess I'm in my head, I'm like, of course, I'm a fucking author.

没错。

Yes.

我已经写了15本书。

I've written 15 books.

我觉得自己说不出口

I felt like I couldn't say it.

我就支支吾吾地说，呃，我写过几本书之类的

I was like, I mean, I guess, I've written some books and blah blah blah.

即便这么说，我依然有种冒充者综合症的感觉，虽然我有实实在在的证据

There's still an element of impostor syndrome for me saying that, but I've got the tangible proof that

我

I

确实写过很多书，但我认为很多人在转行、换赛道时都会有这种感觉——从学生变成老师时，我们就是说不出口，无法坦然承认。你知道，我他妈就是个作家，我是个老师，诸如此类。你是怎么克服这种心理的？

have authored lots of books, but I think many of us feel when we change career, we move lane, we go from student to teacher, we can't say it, we can't own it and go, yeah, do you know what, I'm a bloody author, I am a teacher or whatever it might be, how have you mitigated that?

我前几天刚经历过这种情况

I was, you know, I went through that the other day.

正在转型

Was changing.

上周遇到个真实场景，我一直在纠结要不要在Instagram上写明自己是《纽约时报》畅销书作者

I was trying to figure out whether I should change in such a real life situation that happened last week, trying to decide whether I should even write on my Instagram that I was like a New York Times bestselling author.

我当时正在写，还问我的团队，这样写是不是显得特别招摇自大？

And I was writing and I was asking my team, I was like, does that sound really, like, in your face and so arrogant?

事实。

Fact.

不。

No.

我当时觉得，这听起来太傲慢了。

I was like, it sounds so arrogant.

就像，我不能把这个写进个人简介里。

Like, I can't write this in my bio.

感觉就像是，哦，这就是我，然后他们说，但这就是你啊。

It feels so like, oh, this is just what I'm and then they were like, but you are.

然后我说，是啊。

And I was like, yeah.

不。

No.

但不仅仅是因为我说出来感觉有点别扭。

But it doesn't just feel a bit icky that I'm saying it.

每次我走进一个房间，每次我上播客谈论阿育吠陀时，我都经历着这种感受——我只是个初学者。

And I go through that every time I walk into a room, every time that I, you know, I go on a podcast and I'm talking about Ayurveda and I'm such a basic, like student of it.

我只是上过一门课程，而理解它的真谛需要耗费一生。

I've just I've like done a course and it takes your whole lifetime to even figure out what it is.

真正让我能坚持下去的，是把自己视为一座桥梁——老实说，我不认为自己掌握了全部知识，我们也永远不会认为自己无所不知。

And what allows me to do it is seeing myself as a bridge, honestly, like, I don't believe I have all the knowledge, we never will believe we have all the knowledge.

但即使你只告诉一个人某件事，而这引导他们走向别处，让他们得以开始——你不必是他们旅程的终点，你可以成为起点。

But even if you're able to tell one person something and that takes them to somewhere else, and that allows them to start, you don't have to be the person that finishes their journey, you can be the person to start it.

所以我想，如果我的老师们当初因为冒牌者综合征而拒绝分享，我永远学不到这些东西。

And so I think, had my teachers decided not to share and had imposter syndrome and felt that way, I would have never learned the things I did.

因此，我通过把自己想象成一座桥梁来摆脱冒牌者感觉——我会帮你连接到我所处的位置。

And so I think I stopped myself from feeling like an imposter by thinking of myself as a bridge that I'll help to connect you to the place I'm at.

然后希望我能引领你到达那里。

And then hopefully I'll lead you there.

然后希望会有其他人引领你走得更远更远。

And then hopefully someone else will lead you further and further.

而这正是，我们都是这个系统的一部分。

And that's just, we're all part of this system.

所以我们都在互相给予和索取。

And so we're all giving and taking from each other.

因此与其把自己视为高人一等的老师，不如把我们所有人都看作老师，只是互相分享人生所学。

And so rather than seeing yourself as being a teacher as being superior, how about we see all of us as teachers and that we're just giving what we've learned in our life to each other.

所以我经常提醒自己这一点——我们都只是这个大拼图的一部分。

And so I remind myself of that regularly that we're just all part of this, like, we're all pieces of a huge puzzle.

是啊，我觉得作为某个领域的入门者完全没问题，就像你的书教会了我很多。

Yeah, and I think there's absolutely nothing wrong with being an entry level to a subject like you taught me tons in your book.

我希望我们通过Happy Place品牌所做的也是类似的事——我们未必是所有领域的顶尖专家，但如果你是心理健康或 wellness 领域的新手，希望能牵着你的手带你到一个地方，让其他人能继续这段旅程。

And I hope that what we're doing with Happy Place, you know, as a brand is a similar thing that we're not necessarily the top, top experts in all areas, but if you're new to, you know, looking at your own mental health or wellness, hopefully we can hold your hand get you to a where other people can continue with that journey.

我觉得这完全没有任何问题。

I think there's nothing wrong with that at all.

我们不必总是提供那些最极端的研究

We don't have to always supply the most, I don't know, extreme studies

它可以

of It a can

让我们先聊聊这个话题，带你入门，然后再深入探讨。

be, let's talk about this subject and introduce you to it and go from there.

对我来说这是个新领域，我对阿育吠陀了解不多，但其中很多内容让我产生共鸣，我直觉上已经在实践其中一些理念，当然还可以做得更多。

Think, you know, for me, it's a new area, I don't know so much about Ayurveda, but a lot of it chimed, a lot of it I felt was already kind of resonating with me and I'm sort of intuitively doing bits of it, but could do more.

我觉得这真的很有趣。

I think it's really interesting.

就像我说的，我照着它做了很多菜，整个过程充满乐趣。

And as I said, I've cooked so much from it and it's been completely joyful.

噢，谢谢。

Oh, thank you.

非常感谢你能来参加播客节目

And thank you so much for being on the podcast

你。

you.

今天。

Today.

谢谢，罗迪。

Thanks, Roddy.

哦，

Oh,

罗迪，我爱你。

Roddy, I love you.

我喜欢这个关注那些小信号的想法，比如脆弱的头发、暗沉的皮肤。

I love this idea of checking in on those little signs, brittle hair, dull skin.

就像我刚才说的，现在我的皮肤就像老乌龟一样。

Like I said at the moment, my skin is like sort of an old tortoise.

我受不了了。

I can't bear it.

我不知道具体原因，但这绝对是个信号，表明我需要采取行动了。

I don't know what's going on there, but it's definitely a sign that I need to do something.

这是一种真正关爱自己的方式，在身体达到极限前做好日常养护。

It's a real way to take care of ourselves day to day before our bodies reach absolute breaking point.

拉迪，非常感谢你抽空参与。

Radi, the biggest thank you for your time.

拉迪的食谱书《欢乐时光》现已上市，你可以好好翻阅那些精美的食谱。

Radi's recipe book, Joyful, is out now so you can have a good old flick through those gorgeous recipes.

我再推荐一本值得深入阅读的书——珍妮·戈弗雷的《可疑事物清单》。

I tell you what book you can also get properly stuck into, the list of Suspicious Things by Jenny Godfrey.

这是我们幸福之地读书俱乐部四月的共读书目。

This is our Happy Place Book Club read for April.

如果你愿意和我们一起阅读，并在Instagram的「幸福之地读书俱乐部」分享读后感，我会非常开心。

I would love it so much if you wanted to read along with us and chat about what you make of this book over on Instagram at Happy Place Book Club.

这本书实在太精彩了。

It's so brilliant.

《可疑事物清单》是一部成长故事，通过一个13岁女孩寻找约克郡开膛手的视角展开。

The list of suspicious things is a coming of age story told through the lens of a 13 year old girl's search for the Yorkshire Ripper.

米芙非常害怕父亲会因为连环谋杀案而举家南迁，所以她认为如果能自己破获女性失踪案，家人就能留在约克郡。

Miv is terrified that her dad wants to move her down south because of the murders, So she figures if she can solve the case of the disappearing women herself, the family could stay in Yorkshire.

她们的调查揭露了比想象更多的秘密，同时也深入探索了友谊与社区纽带的坚韧力量。

Their search uncovers more secrets than they thought possible, but also delved into the strength of friendships and community connections.

所以Instagram上的'快乐空间读书会'是讨论这本书的最佳去处。

So at Happy Place Book Club is the place to chat about that one on Instagram.

而且几周后我将会采访作者珍妮·戈弗雷，你们能直接听她讲述这本书，这也会非常酷。

But, also, I'm gonna be chatting to author Jenny Godfrey in a few weeks so you can hear about the book from her, which will be really cool as well.

记得在播客订阅里关注这期节目。

Look out for that one in your podcast feed.

她其实已经告诉我，正是《快乐空间》的某一期节目促使她开始创作第一本书。

She's actually already told me that one of the Happy Place episodes is what helped convince her to start writing her first book.

这让我既震惊又倍感荣幸。

I'm bloody amazed by that, and I'm totally honored.

哦，谢谢你，珍妮。

Oh, thanks, Jenny.

我们稍后和她聊天时会告诉你具体是哪一集。

We'll let you know which episode it was in particular when we chat to her in a bit.

不过现在，要再次特别感谢罗迪、制片人Happy Place工作室的阿努什卡·泰特，还有你。

For now, though, it's the biggest thank you again to Roddy, to the producer, Anushka Tate at Happy Place Studios, and to you.

哦，还要向Happy Place视频组的乔什和马特郑重道歉，我不小心碰到了他们的所有摄像机。

Oh, and big apologies to Happy Place video guys Josh and Matt for knocking all their cameras around.

我保证下次会管住我的胳膊。

I promise to keep my arms contained next time.