来自MmmEnglish和Hey Lady!的Emma [961]

我记得这个决定我至少考虑了六个月，非常认真地思考并试图做出决定。

I think I sat, with that decision for at least six months thinking about it very seriously and trying to make that decision.

但我确实已经到了一个临界点——很多创作者都提到过这种精疲力竭的时刻，感觉自己在被迫创作内容来喂养这头'野兽'，维持这个'机器'运转。

But I really had got to a point where, and I think a lot of creators, they talk about this moment of reaching a point of burnout, reaching a point where it felt like I was creating content out of necessity to sort of feed the beast, feed the machine.

这开始让我感到非常不真实，或者说我没有以自己想要的方式展现自我。

And it started to feel really ingenuine or it didn't feel like I was showing up in the way that I wanted to.

然后这变成了一种令人沮丧的被迫体验。

And then it became a really frustrating forced sort of experience.

而且我并不是很喜欢自己当时发布的内容。

And I didn't really love the content that I was putting out.

我也不喜欢当时的自己——尤其是对亲朋好友和生活中其他人的态度，我为了兼顾所有职业责任而牺牲了所有这些关系。

I didn't love the person that I was particularly to friends and family and everyone else around me in my life who I was foregoing all of those relationships in order to keep juggling all of my professional obligations.

当时我已经同时运营Hey Lady好几年了。

And at the time I had been growing Hey Lady in sort of parallel for a few years.

我们开始真正深度投入Hey Lady这个平台，认为它应该存在于世界上。

And we had really started deeply investing in Hey Lady as a platform that needed to exist in the world.

我稍后可能会简单介绍一下Hey Lady是什么以及它是如何诞生的。

And I'll maybe I'll talk a little bit about what Hey Lady is and how that came about in a moment.

但我当时面临着这两种相互竞争的事业，实质上担任着两家公司的CEO。

But I had these two kind of competing interests and essentially was the CEO of two companies.

没错。

Right.

两者都在消耗我的时间、精力和注意力。

And both were absorbing my time, my energy, my focus.

直到某天，我开始出现一些因过度压力和劳累导致的健康问题。

And I got to a point where I started I had a few health issues that came out of being really stressed and overworked.

这最终成为了迫使我做出决定的导火索。

And that was ultimately the trigger that I guess forced me to make a call.

这个决定就是二选一。

And it was to choose one or the other.

当我决定暂停英语事业时，这让我能够将所有精力和专注力都投入到Hey Lady上。

And when I decided that it was going to be English that I hit pause on, It allowed me to just channel my energy and my focus into Hey Lady.

我当然没有完全放弃英语这个想法。

And I certainly have not completely given up on the idea of English.

我认为它是一种不可思议的资源。

I think what it is, is an incredible resource.

就像是我在互联网上存在的一个作品集，学生们不断访问、观看、学习并享受其中。

It's like a body of work of mine that exists on the internet that students are continually accessing and watching and learning from and enjoying.

我想起你之前提到的观点，你说YouTube可能是个消耗大量精力和时间的地方。

And I think to your point before, you were talking about how YouTube can be a place that really sort of saps a lot of energy and time.

但就这一点而言，也许很像你的播客，它同时也是持续带来快乐、收入和机会的源泉。

But to that end, perhaps much like your podcast, it has also been a continual source of joy and revenue and opportunity throughout that time as well.

所以虽然我目前停止了在那里制作新内容，但仍有新订阅者。

And so whilst I have stopped producing new content on there for now, there are still new subscribers.

有人正在发现那些内容并定期回顾。

There are people finding out about that content and coming back to that content regularly.

这让我非常开心，因为它依然存在，仍能被全球众多学生体验和享受。

And that brings me a lot of joy as well because it's still out there and still able to be experienced and enjoyed by lots of students all around the world.

这是件美妙的事。

And that's a wonderful thing.

我为此感到无比自豪。

I'm super, super proud of that.

说到Hey Lady，是的，那是个重大决定和转变，当时我记得订阅量已接近550万。

Segue to Hey Lady because yeah, it was a huge decision and transition almost by the time I think I had about five and a half million subscribers around that time.

这是一种身份认同。

It's an identity.

我的身份与英语、我服务的学生以及我创作的内容紧密相连。

Who I was was very much connected to English and the students that I showed up for and the content that I created.

所以从中抽身确实充满挑战。

And so extracting myself from that was really challenging.

还有那种常规的内容制作流程，以及与团队协作将这些内容发布出去。

And also the sort of regular routine of producing content and collaborating with my team to to get that content out there.

但转向Hey Lady无疑是我个人认为做过的最佳决定之一，因为它让我能真正将注意力和精力集中在我们正在构建的事业上。

But switching to Hey Lady was certainly I still think it's one of the best decisions that I've made personally because it's just allowed me to really channel my focus and my energy into what we're building there.

Hey Lady是一个在线平台。

And Hey Lady is a it's an online platform.

这是一个连接全球正在学习英语的女性社区，特别是中高级到高级水平的女性。

It's a community that connects women around the world who are learning English and in particular women who are intermediate level, upper intermediate level up to advanced.

这样设计的原因是Hey Lady平台的核心理念在于获得口语经验，并与可以定期练习的人建立联系。

And the reason for that is the whole focus on the Hey Lady platform is about gaining speaking experience and connecting with people who you can practice with regularly.

这是Hey Lady背后非常核心的理念。

It's a really core belief behind Hey Lady.

这也是我最初创建这个社区，继而开发整个技术平台以实现线上互动的原因之一。

And one of the reasons why I started that community initially and then started building a whole technology platform to allow those interactions to happen online.

我们工作的核心信念是：当你的英语达到中级水平后，如果仍只专注于词汇积累和语法学习，不断告诉自己还没准备好开口、不够优秀、无法与他人进行有趣对话——

A really core belief behind what we do there is that from an intermediate level of English, you really if you stay focused on vocabulary acquisition and focusing on grammar and constantly telling yourself that you are not yet ready to speak, you are not good enough, you are not able to have an interesting conversation with other people.

这种开口时机的拖延越久，就越难真正开始。

The longer and longer that that gets delayed, the more difficult it is to start.

因此Hey Lady真正致力于为女性创造一个定期说英语的空间，获得真实对话经验，并开始将学员们多年积累的知识转化为能在对话中自如运用的沟通能力。

So Hey Lady is really about creating a space for women to speak English regularly, to gain experience in real conversations and to start making that transition from all of the knowledge that our students have been acquiring over the years to be able to produce and access that that knowledge during conversations and communicate.

所以Hey Lady的本质就是让定期练习变得非常简单。

So Hey Lady is really about just making regular practice really simple.

嗯。

Yeah.

很棒。

Great.

我是说，你知道的，干得漂亮。

I mean, you know, well done.

恭喜你完成了所有设置工作。

Congratulations on setting it up and everything.

而且你说你确实创建了一个平台，让人们可以真正互相交流。

And and you say you've actually created a a platform where people can actually talk to each other.

所以搭建这样的平台涉及很多技术内容。

So there's a lot of technical stuff involved in setting up something like that.

所以，是的，这非常令人印象深刻。

So, yeah, that's very impressive.

而且，你知道，看你的网站，整体看起来非常棒。

And, you know, looking at your website, it's all, like, looks looks fantastic.

所以，是的，这绝非小事。

And so, yeah, that's no small thing.

能把这一切运作起来真的很厉害。

So well done for making that work and everything.

这真的很酷。

That's that's really cool.

而且它是——嘿，女士。

And it's hey, lady.

那么人们怎么找呢？我猜如果他们直接谷歌搜索'嘿女士'，可能会找到同名的歌曲？

So what people can I guess if they just Google, Well, if they Google Hey Lady, they might find songs with the name Hey Lady?

我不知道。

I don't know.

他们怎么找到它呢？

How do they find it?

是的。

Yes.

他们可以在heylady.io找到我们的网站。

They can find our website at heylady.io.

我们还有一个规模较小的YouTube频道，如果他们好奇的话可以通过YouTube看看。

We also have a YouTube channel with a much smaller YouTube channel, but if they're curious to have a look via YouTube.

不过如果你用谷歌搜索'Hey Lady speaking community'或'English speaking community'，肯定能找到我们。

But certainly if you Google search, Hey Lady speaking community, English speaking community, you'll find it for sure.

对。

Right.

好的。

Okay.

酷。

Cool.

那我还有个问题想问你。

So another topic for me to ask you about.

作为当今世界的内容创作者和英语教师，你正竭尽全力帮助全球英语学习者，而现在我们面临人工智能这个话题，这是个大家都在讨论的重大议题。

So as a content creator, English teacher in the world today, you know, doing your best to help learners of English around the world, now we have this other thing, which is artificial intelligence, right, that's a big subject that lots of people are talking about.

比如最近我上YouTube，看到很多内容，其中不少是AI生成的。

And, you know, for example, I go on YouTube these days, and I see a lot of content, and I see a lot of AI generated content.

人们可能没意识到那是AI。

People might not realize it's AI.

这类内容太多了。

There's so much of it.

而且越来越多，越来越精良。

And there's more and more, and it's getting more and more sophisticated.

那么你对AI的崛起怎么看？

And so how do you feel about the the rise of AI in our world?

你认为它会带来什么影响？

What do you think is gonna be the impact of it?

它对你从事的工作产生了怎样的影响？

How how has it affected what you do?

你使用人工智能吗？

Do you use AI?

我同时向你抛出数百万个问题。

I'm throwing millions of questions at you all at the same time.

我会让你选一个。

I'll just let you pick one.

这既令人兴奋又充满挑战，同时也让人害怕。

It's really exciting and challenging and scary all at the same time.

从内容创作的角度来看，我觉得非常应接不暇，因为过去人们总会问：你是怎么不断想出不同点子来持续产出内容的？

Like from a content creating perspective, I find it really overwhelming because there's almost an in the past the question that you would always get asked is like, how do you keep coming up with different ideas to keep producing content about?

现在这个问题已经无关紧要了，因为你并不一定需要这样做。

And it's like that question's irrelevant now because you don't necessarily have to.

你可以通过ChatGPT或Claude等工具获取灵感，尝试各种不同的方案。

You can get inspiration or ideas and kind of spitball different options with chattypt or Claude or whatever it is that you're using.

这真是太棒了。

And that's incredible.

我认为对语言学习者来说也非常令人兴奋，因为就在过去十二个月里，获取信息的途径和方式突然爆炸式增长。

I think for language learners, it's super exciting as well because even just in the last twelve months, there've just been an explosion of different options or different ways of accessing information.

虽然这是个普遍现象，但具体到语言学习上，这可能也会带来负面影响。

And I think that it's probably a general comment, but certainly when it comes to language learning that can also be a negative thing.

当信息和选择过多时，你可能会感到不知所措，甚至困惑自己到底该做什么。

Like like with too much information and too many options, you can feel very overwhelmed and sort of get stuck about what is it that I'm supposed to be doing?

什么才是正确的？

What's the right thing?

最佳路径是什么？

What's the best way to go?

我极度推崇真实人际互动的重要性。

I am a huge, huge advocate for the importance of just real human interaction.

最让我担忧的是，这些令人惊叹的工具和日益普及的技术，正迫使我们不得不面对真实的人际互动场景——那些充满不可预测性的情境中，我们很可能会感到尴尬、语塞、说错话，甚至因此难堪。

And the thing that worries me or concerns me most about all of these amazing tools and this technology that is kind of coming online and becoming so accessible is really like how do we we've got to force ourselves into situations where we're actually interacting with real people in contexts where things are unpredictable and we are probably going to end up feeling a little awkward and a little stuck or kind of get kind of lose our words or or sort of say the wrong thing and feel a bit embarrassed about it.

但正是这些时刻，我们需要经历才能克服挑战，学会应对不可预测性和微妙差异。

But these are all the moments that we need to experience in order to overcome those challenges and to learn how to deal with that unpredictability and that nuance.

这就是目前我正在努力应对的部分。

And that's the part that I that at the moment I'm really trying to grapple with a little bit.

Hey Lady的核心关注点始终在于真实的人际连接——享受那些凌乱却美好、充满力量的真实对话，这是与电脑交流时永远无法获得的体验，无论你是在分享深层心事，还是学习应对不总给出正确答案或持续赞美你的人。

It's certainly where our focus at Hey Lady is around connection with real people and the joy of being part of real conversations, messy, beautiful, empowering kind of discussions that you just don't get that experience when you are speaking with a computer or sharing something deep and personal or even learning how to navigate someone who doesn't give you all the right answers or constantly giving you praise.

但在现实世界里，你会遇到对你侧目而视或不认同你观点的人。

But in the real world, you kind of get people who look at you a bit funny or disagree with what you've said.

这对正在学习第二语言的人来说，是非常非常重要的经历。

And that's a really, really important thing to experience as you are learning to speak in a second language.

这就是我所担心的部分。

So that's the part that worries me.

确实。

Yeah.

因为AI为英语学习者提供了太多绝佳选择。

Because yeah, AI for learners of English gives everyone so many amazing options.

比如现在你可以开启ChatGPT的语音模式，进行相当流畅的对话。

You know, like the fact that you can you can switch on the voice mode in chat GPT now and have a pretty good conversation.

这当然很棒，它能提供口语练习，而且相当逼真。

And that is wonderful because, obviously, it gives you speaking practice, and it's quite realistic.

更重要的是这个安全空间——你知道这只是AI，完全不用担心被评判。

But also because you you it's a safe space because you can feel totally safe because you know that it's just, AI.

它不会评价你。

It's not judging you.

有时我用ChatGPT练习法语，确实让人感到非常放松，因为你可以随时退出。

And, you know, sometimes I practice my French with chat GPT, and it does make you feel very comfortable because you think, like, I can just switch it off anytime I want.

你知道吗？

You know?

我不觉得自己像是被困在一个有一对一老师评判我的房间里。

I don't feel like I'm trapped in a room with a one to one teacher who's judging me.

而且，你知道，那种情况下会让人感到非常尴尬，这对语言学习很不利。

And, you know, you can feel very awkward in that situation, and that's bad for your learning of a language.

所以从这个意义上说，像ChatGPT这样的工具真是太棒了。

So in that sense, something like ChatGPT or other ones is is so great.

但随之而来的风险是，人们会过度依赖它，就像你刚才说的，失去了面对他人时需要应对社交焦虑的经验，或者处理那些有点尴尬的时刻。

But then there's the danger that people, yes, just use that too much, and they, as you've just said, lose the, experience of being in front of another person and having to cope with, social anxiety or, just, like, the moments when things are a bit weird.

培养处理这类情况的沟通技巧真的很重要。

And those it's really important to develop the communication skills to handle those sorts of situations.

是啊。

So yeah.

嗯。

Yeah.

这确实很棘手。

It's it's tricky.

我们既要清楚什么时候该用它，也要明白什么时候不该用。

We have to know when not to use it as much as we know, as much as when we should use it.

你知道，医生总是告诫我们要适量饮食。

You know, Doctors are constantly telling you to eat everything in moderation.

在AI使用上也是同样的道理。

And it's the same thing when it comes to AI.

特别是在知识获取方面，AI带来了太多惊人的好处。

There are so many amazing benefits, particularly in acquisition.

我认为现在我们拥有的这些工具太不可思议了，可以用来学习词汇、复习语法、练习和获取修正等等。

I think it's incredible now all of the tools that we have to learn vocabulary, review grammar and practice and get corrections and things like that.

但这不可能是唯一的解决方案。

But it can't be the only solution.

这不能成为你与不评判你、不试图套取信息的人安静独处的唯一方式。

It can't be the only way that you get to speak quietly alone with someone who's not judging you and trying to get everything out there.

似乎必须要有这样的时刻或机会来接触外界的现实世界。

It's like there has to be that point where or those opportunities to engage with the real world outside.

由于一切都如此触手可及，我觉得我们必须不断提醒自己这一点，就像我们必须减少屏幕时间、少看新闻和其他各种内容一样。

And with everything being so easily accessible, I feel like we've got to constantly be reminding ourselves of that, just like we've got to have less screen time and less watching news and all sorts of stuff.

就像你必须要有意识地决定：我需要为真实的人际交往创造空间。

It's like you've got to consciously decide I need to make space for connecting with people for real.

是啊。

Yeah.

说得非常对。

Really good point.

好的。

Okay.

所以在我今天为这期节目准备与你交谈时，我看了你的网站，你有一个类似常见问题...不对。

So while I was preparing to talk to you today for this episode, I was having a look at your website, and you've got a kind of is it a frequently asked no.

这不可能是常见问题。

It can't be frequently asked questions.

更像是'了解艾玛'。

It's like get to know Emma.

这里有一些你可能不知道的关于艾玛的事。

Here's some things about Emma that you might not know.

这肯定不是常见问题。

It's certainly not frequently asked questions.

不是。

No.

不。

No.

我刚意识到，并不是因为你列出的那些问题特别有趣。

I just realized that that that it's not because some of the questions that you've included there are quite specific funny things.

我看了看那些问题，然后觉得，好吧。

And I had a look at the questions, and I thought, okay.

这些都很好。

These are great.

我觉得还有很多可以问你的。

I feel like there's a lot more I could ask you about.

既然我们已经聊过YouTube的成功、AI之类的话题，现在我要转向一些更随机的问题了。

So if I'm gonna move towards some slightly more random things now after we've talked about the the YouTube success and AI and stuff like that.

这么说你确实看过那个页面了？因为我不知道有多少人知道你正在看的那个页面。

So You've you've had a look at that page actually, because I don't know how many people out there know the page that you've been looking at.

但之前我确实回答过一些关于自己的随机问题，并放在了网站上。

But at some point, I did answer some random questions about myself and put it on the website.

所以你找到了它。

You've So found it.

是的。

Yeah.

它是在english.com上。

So it was on it's on it's on english.com.

具体在哪个位置呢？

And where is it then?

粉丝页面里的'关于Emma的有趣事实'。

Fan page and then fun facts about Emma.

所以上面有关于你的各种趣事。

So there's various fun facts about you.

嗯。

Mhmm.

然后对。

And then yeah.

对。

Yeah.

这里有一些问题。

There there are these questions.

比如：你最喜欢的电视剧是什么？

So you've got things like, what's your favorite TV series?

你最喜欢在洗澡时唱什么歌？

What's your favorite song to sing in the shower?

顺便问一下，你最喜欢在洗澡时唱什么歌？

What is your what is your favorite song to sing in the shower, by the way?

哦，不只是洗澡时，这也是我的卡拉OK歌曲。

Oh, it's not just in the shower, it's also my karaoke song.

是卡莉·西蒙的《You're So Vain》。

It's Carly Simon, You're So Vain.

对。

Yeah.

好选择。

Good good choice.

其实我所有喜欢的歌，你知道，都是在我成长过程中父母听的。

Well, all of my favorite songs, I'm you know, they're all the ones that my parents listened to as I was growing up.

所以我的卡拉OK歌单上有很多经典老歌。

And so there's lots of classics there on my karaoke list.

是啊。

Yeah.

我不会要求你现在唱出来，但我在想听众们是否会记得这首歌。

I'm not gonna ask you to sing it now, but I wonder if my listeners will remember it.

你太虚荣了。

You're so vain.

你大概以为这首歌是在说你吧。

You probably think this song is about you.

我对这首歌非常熟悉，不仅因为我在广播里听过很多次，还因为它被收录在一本英语教材里。

I know I'm very familiar with the song, not just because I've heard it so many times on the radio and stuff, but it's in one of those English teaching course books.

哦。

Oh.

记不清是哪本了

Can't remember which

是哪一本来着。

one it is.

好像是《前沿英语》初中级或者中级的教师资源包里。

It's like cutting edge pre intermediate or something like cutting edge intermediate in the teacher's resource pack.

你知道的，教材里会有专门页面放歌曲，附带部分歌词和问题，基本上就是通过这种方式学英语。

You know, they have pages where there's a song and there there's some of the lyrics and then questions and, you know, you learn English with it, basically.

所以每次我在课堂上教歌曲时，你们自然会在教室里反复听很多遍。

So whenever I've done a song in class, you you know, you obviously always end up listening to it over and over again in the classroom.

然后你们还要研究歌词。

So and then you're studying the lyrics.

《你如此虚荣》的歌词其实很有意思，它唱道'你如此虚荣，大概以为这首歌是在说你'，这很酷。

And the lyrics for You're So Vain are actually pretty interesting because it goes, you're so vain, you probably think this song is about you, which is pretty cool.

你觉得这首歌...这首歌是关于什么的？

What what's this what's the song about do you think?

嗯，要知道关于卡莉·西蒙到底在唱谁有很多猜测。

Well, do know there's a lot of sort of conjecture about who Carly Simon is actually singing about.

听起来很像是某个前情人或前男友之类的人。

It sounds a lot like somewhat a former lover or boyfriend or, or something like that.

我觉得这是其中一个，不知道有没有人能真正帮我解答这个问题，但我自己确实从未找到确切答案。

And I think that it's one of the, I don't know if anyone can help me to answer this question for real, but I've never actually certainly found an answer there.

我读过她的传记。

I've read her biography.

这件事仍有很多疑点，但有几个人的名字总被提及，比如米克·贾格尔、大卫·鲍伊，或是她曾经交往过的某些人。

There's still lots of like doubt around it, but there's a few people that swirl around like it could be Mick Jagger or David Bowie or some of the people that she was kind of going out with at one point in time.

我一直更倾向于是米克·贾格尔，因为他们都有非常性感的嘴唇。

I always like to think it's Mick Jagger because they've both got very expressive mouths.

他们都拥有丰厚的嘴唇，让我觉得他们很般配。

They've both got big lips and mouths and I just feel like they should be together.

卡莉·西蒙和米克·贾格尔。

Carly Simon and Mick Jagger.

是啊。

Yeah.

看起来是天造地设的一对，不是吗？

It seems to be a match made in heaven, doesn't it?

我听说她唱的是关于沃伦·比蒂的。

I heard that she was singing about Warren Beatty.

可能是他。

That might be him.

噢，没错。

Oh, yes.

就是另外那个人。

He's the other guy.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

不过，这也确实是个相当傲慢的人。

But, also, it's it's certainly someone who's quite arrogant.

这是个有点傲慢自负的男人，显然非常自恋。

It's a man who's kind of arrogant and vain who obviously loves himself a lot.

歌词描述她看见他走进派对时对着镜子自我欣赏的样子。

And it talks about how she sees him stepping into a party and he checks himself out in the mirror.

他看起来就像刚登上游艇那种感觉，对吧。

And he he it's something like you you look like you just stepped onto a yacht Yeah.

之类的。

Or something.

他还围着条围巾。

And he's a scarf.

是杏色的。

Was apricot.

不知道英式英语怎么发音，但我一直觉得这很有趣。

I don't know if you pronounce that in British English, but but I always thought that was so interesting.

读成apricot而不是apricot。

Apricot rather than apricot.

我们这边是这么说的。

We say here.

对。

Yeah.

她在歌里唱的是apricot而不是apricot，不过这可能只是美式英语的发音方式吧。

She sings apricot, not apricot in the song, but I guess that's an I don't know if that's just like a American English pronunciation of it.

其实我也不太确定。

I don't know about that, actually.

或许在歌曲中他们就是会打破规则。

Or maybe it's just a case of in songs, they break the rules.

你懂吗？

You know?

这是歌曲中的诗性许可。

It's poetic license in the song.

为了让歌曲成立。

To make it work.

但这首歌很有趣，因为它有着讽刺的歌词：'你如此虚荣，大概以为这首歌是在写你'。

But it is an interesting song because and it's the the sort of ironic lyrics, you're so vain, you probably think this song is about you.

我读到的是沃伦·比蒂真的以为这首歌是在写他，这多少说明

And what I read was that Warren Beatty really did think the song was about him, which kinda tells

一些问题。

you something.

答案。

Answer.

是啊。

Yeah.

但他显然相当虚荣，这很有趣。

But he he obviously is quite vain, and it's interesting.

他在歌词中认出了自己。

He recognized himself in the lyrics.

对啊，哦，那个自恋的傲慢家伙。

Yeah, oh, arrogant guy who loves himself.

嘿。

Hey.

那就是我，不是吗？

That's me, isn't it?

不过这首歌挺有意思的。

So but very interesting song.

所以我不太清楚。

So I don't know.

你遇到过那种人吗？

Have you ever met a guy like that?

我不太喜欢和那种自以为是焦点中心的人来往。

I don't tend to hang around with peep people who sort of have that air about them where they think they're very like the center of attention.

他们会在健身房自拍。

They take photos of themselves at the gym.

总之不是我喜欢的类型。

Like, they're just not my kind of guy.

所以我不会。

So I no.

基本没有。

Not really.

真的没有。

Not really.

就算遇到过，我也会保持距离。

And if I have come across them, I sort of just keep my distance.

对。

Right.

嗯。

Yeah.

是啊。

Yeah.

没有。

No.

我完全理解。

I completely understand.

是的。

Yeah.

你们网站上还有一个问题：你有什么害怕的东西吗？

Another question you've got on your website is do you have a fear of anything?

而且，你写了两样东西。

And, you you wrote two things.

第一样你说的是：我特别怕水蛭。

The first thing is you said, I'm petrified of leeches.

第二样是在舞台上当众演讲。

And the second thing is speaking in front of an audience on stage.

我想大家可能都对当众演讲这件事感同身受，我稍后再回来说这个。

I think everyone can probably relate to the thing about speaking in front of an audience on stage, and I might come back to it in a moment.

但第一件事是你特别怕水蛭。

But the the first thing is you're petrified of leeches.

很抱歉要让你谈论这个。

Now sorry to sorry to make you talk about this.

我不知道你对此感受如何。

I don't know how you feel about it.

但是，水蛭是什么？

But, what are leeches?

呃，我是说，嗯。

And, well, I mean, yeah.

它们有什么可怕的？

What's the what's so terrifying about them?

水蛭是...天啊。

So leeches are Gosh.

嗯，我觉得它们有点... 这算昆虫吗？

Well, I guess they're a little Do they count as an insect?

它们不算吧？

They're not, are they?

不，我还是觉得算。

No, I still think so.

可能更像软体动物之类的，不是吗？

Probably It's like a mollusk or something, isn't it?

对。

Yeah.

差不多就是那样。

Something like that.

某种蠕虫。

A kind of a worm.

是啊。

Yeah.

就是那种会附在你身上吸血的东西。

Something that attaches itself to you and sucks your blood.

它一边吸血一边膨胀变大，就像骑在你身上吸血一样。

And as it sucks your blood, it expands and gets bigger and it's sort of riding around as it's sucking your blood.

这画面看起来非常直观。

And it's a very visual thing to see.

而且除非有盐或火，否则你扯不下来——它们的头会卡住，或者... 我也不确定，总之...

And you can't, unless you've got salt or a flame, you can't pull it off because their heads get stuck or I don't know, not even But

我非要让你描述你讨厌的东西，抱歉。

I made you describe this thing that you hate, sorry.

没事。

No.

我本来对它没什么意见，直到它出现在我附近。

It's it's I have no problem with it until there's one in my vicinity.

没错。

Right.

但我这辈子也就遇到过几次水蛭吸附在我身上，

But and there's only been a couple of times in my life where I've had a leech latch onto me and

哦，真的吗？

Oh, really?

开始吸血。

Start drawing blood.

但它们蠕动的方式，还有从你身上吸走那么多血的事实。

But it's just the way that they move the fact that they're sucking so much blood out of you.

我一直对它们感到毛骨悚然。

I've always just been weeded out by them.

是啊。

Yeah.

我是说，我好像从没遇到过水蛭。

I mean, I've never encountered a leech, I think.

它们并不常见，我觉得它们不算特别普遍

They're not really a I don't think they're a particularly common

通常出现在湿热的地方，比如雨林，可能在巴黎或英国也有。

Usually in like hot damp places like rainforests, probably you know, in Paris or in The UK.

不会吧。

No.

确实。

It's yeah.

如果你在雨林里不小心掉进水里，上岸后可能会发现身上粘着这些黑乎乎的滑溜溜的东西。

If you're in some rainforest and you end up in the water, you might come out and you find these black slimy things on you.

是啊。

Yeah.

这不是那种在巴黎经常发生的事情。

It's not the kind of thing that happens in Paris all that often.

这不是巴黎的典型特征，对吧？

It's not what it's not what Paris is known for, is it?

就像是，哦，要去巴黎？

And it's like, oh, going to Paris?

哦，是的。

Oh, yes.

你知道的，凯旋门、埃菲尔铁塔、咖啡馆里的牛角面包。

The the, you know, the Arc De Triomphe, the La Tour E Fell, a croissant, you know, in a cafe.

但要当心水蛭。

But watch out for the leeches.

是啊。

Yeah.

在十八世纪时，我很确定它们是治疗病患的主要方法之一，如果人们在巴黎生病或不适时可能就会发现几只。

When do you Back in the eighteenth century, I'm pretty sure they were one of the main methods for healing people if they were sick or unwell when they Probably found a few in Paris.

医生们。

Doctors.

我不知道是什么时候。

I don't know when.

是啊。

Yeah.

也许在十八、十九世纪时医生们热爱水蛭，他们让整个医学界都相信水蛭是

Maybe the eight nineteenth, eighteenth centuries doctors loved leeches and they decided that the whole medical community was convinced that leeches were

它被淘汰了。

it was out.

是啊。

Yeah.

你怎么了？

What's wrong with you?

你头疼吗？

You got a headache?

哦，往头上贴几只水蛭就好了。

Oh, just stick a few leeches on your head.

你会没事的。

You'll be fine.

你到底怎么了？

What's the matter with you?

你背不舒服吗？

You've back problems?

给你。

Here you go.

这有一罐水蛭。

Here's a jar full of leeches.

感冒了就贴只水蛭。

Got a cold and stick a leech on.

对啊。

Yeah.

就像是去看医生一样。

It's like, go to the doctor.

哦，真的吗？

Oh, really?

他们肯定又要给我水蛭了。

They're just gonna give me leeches again.

是啊。

Yeah.

这有点奇怪，不是吗？

That's a bit weird, isn't it?

他们想到水蛭真是随机啊，我觉得这可能和水蛭的特性有关——哦抱歉我一直说水蛭。

How random that they thought leech I think it was something to do with the fact that maybe leeches when they oh, sorry to keep talking about leeches.

我们马上要换个话题了。

We're gonna move on in a second.

当它们吸血时，显然还会分泌某种物质让血液变稀。

That they when they are doing what they do, when they suck your blood, they apparently, add something as well which thins the blood.

这就是当时的理论对吧？

That was the theory, wasn't it?

然后医生们就觉得：没错。

And that's and doctors were like, right.

这显然就是解决所有健康问题的关键。

This is clearly the key to all health problems.

但后来我们意识到并非如此。

But we've since realised that's not the case.

它们

They

真的很感激那些为我们尝试各种可怕疗法的人，现在我们就无需经历那些了。

just do appreciate all of those people who went through such horrible means of trying to overcome illness on our behalf so that now we don't have to do that.

是啊。

Yeah.

历史上确实有过很多怪异可怕的治疗手段，谢天谢地我们现在基本不用了。

And there have been some very weird and terrible things in the past as well that, you know, thank goodness we don't really do anymore, I think.

比如开颅钻孔术。

Like trepanning.

你知道什么是颅骨穿孔术吗？

Do you know what trepanning is?

基本上就是我不知道这是什么时候的事。

That's basically when I don't know when this is.

我觉得这是很久以前的事了。

I think this is a long time ago.

我们说的可能是石器时代或者青铜时代之类的。

We're talking about maybe, like, the stone age or or the bronze age or something.

可能更近一些。

Maybe even more recently.

也许是中世纪。

Maybe the Middle Ages.

颅骨穿孔术就是人们相信如果你头痛或头部有病痛，说明有个恶灵困在你脑袋里，而治愈方法就是释放这个恶灵。

Trepanning is basically when people believe that if you had a headache or sickness, something like that in your head, that you had a a spirit, an evil spirit that was stuck inside your head, and the way to, cure you would be to release the spirit.

怎么释放？

How?

就是在人头顶的颅骨上开个洞。

By actually breaking a hole in the top of someone's skull.

哦，颅骨？

Oh, skull?

对。

Yeah.

字面意思就是在你颅骨上敲个洞，让恶灵能逃出来。

Literally knocking a hole in your skull so that the spirit could could be released.

哇。

Wow.

要知道，考古发现过带孔洞的头骨，他们确认那确实是种医疗手段——直接在脑袋上开个洞。

There are you know, the skulls have been found with holes in them, And they've worked out that that was actually a medical practice to just knock a hole in your head.

当时人们肯定认为这方法是有效的。

It must have been perceived at the time to work.

那头痛一定很严重吧？既然在头上开个洞都比忍受头痛要好。

Must have been a pretty bad headache, right, if having a hole knocked in your head was better than having the headache.

不过谢天谢地，我们不用生活在那个年代了。

But, yeah, thank goodness, we don't live in those Yeah.

说到继续话题，让我转到另一个...哦你刚才说你另一个恐惧是在舞台上当众演讲，这让我想到，这种恐惧难道不会转移到线上内容创作吗？

Talking of moving on, let me move on to another oh, you you actually said your other your other fear was speaking in front of an audience on stage, which does kind of make me think, how does that does that not translate does that not kind of, transfer to to making content on online?

你难道不会怯场吗？

Do do do you not get stage fright?

会啊。

Yeah.

我经常被问到这个问题。

I always get this question.

绝对会，对我来说这两者完全是天壤之别。

And absolutely, they are opposite ends of the spectrum for me at least.

因为拍摄时我在自己工作室里，通常独自一人，能完全掌控局面。

Because when I'm filming, I'm in my studio, I'm often on my own and I am completely in control of that situation.

那种被无数双真实眼睛在关键时刻盯着的感觉完全不同。

There's something about having a whole bunch of actual eyeballs kind of on you in the heat of the moment.

没错。

Yeah.

拍摄录制时说错话可以直接剪掉。

When you can't, know, when you're filming and you're recording, you can mess up what you're saying and then just cut it out.

所以根本不会有任何后果。

So there's no consequence whatsoever.

那些搞笑时刻，比如我被灯光线绊倒，灯具砸到我身上的画面都保留着。

All of those like ridiculous moments where like I've tripped over my light and it's fallen over and crashed on me during filming.

我可以把它剪掉。

I can edit that out.

没人需要看到那个，但在舞台上你无法逃避。

No one needs to see that, but you can't get away from that on stage.

我认为这正是最让人印象深刻的一点。

And I think that's the one thing that just still sticks.

我觉得大多数人都能感同身受。

And I think most people can relate to that.

我一直认为这是与用第二语言演讲完全相反的宝贵经历，因为你需要主动置身于那种情境，这样每次都能积累更多经验，逐步突破舒适区，向自己证明你能做到。

I always think it's a really good kind of counter experience to speaking in your second language because you've got to put yourself into that situation so that you can with each time get a little more experience, push that comfort zone a little bit further, prove to yourself that you know, you've got this.

没关系。

It's okay.

其实很多担忧都只存在于你的脑海里。

It's actually a lot of it's in your head what you're worried about.

那不是现实，也不太可能发生。

It's not the reality or it's not likely to happen.

所以每次有机会上台演讲时，我都会牢记这一点。

So, you know, I always keep that in mind every time I get the opportunity to speak on a stage.

我的第一反应总是拒绝。

My instinct is to say no.

但每次有机会时，我都会为了积累经验而答应。

But every time I get the chance to, I'll say yes just for experience.

是啊。

Yeah.

确实如此。

And exactly.

多多练习确实很棒。

It's great to do that more and more.

直到有一天你意识到自己其实真的很享受这件事。

And until one day you realize that you actually really enjoy it.

然后那就很棒了。

And then that's that's great.

这时你就像是拐过了一个转角。

Then you kind of turn a corner.

我还没走到那个转角，但我确实觉得那种恐惧永远不会消失。

I haven't got to that corner yet, but I do I do feel like, you know, that fear is never gonna leave.

它会一直伴随着你。

It's always gonna be sitting with you.

但更重要的是要有把握或证据，证明你能应对任何可能出现的情况。

But it's more about having certainty or proof that you can manage whatever that situation kind of brings up.

至少对我来说，我不认为自己会处于一个完全不感到恐惧的境地。

I don't feel well, certainly for me, I don't feel like I will ever be in a situation where I'm not fearful in that moment.

但当你能够抑制恐惧时，确实可以增加享受感。

But certainly when you can pull back on fear, you can increase enjoyment for sure.

是啊。

Yeah.

是啊。

Yeah.

而且你也学会用自己的方式来处理。

And you kind of learn to do it your own way as well.

如果你能意识到，哦，好吧。

If you kind of like realize that, oh, okay.

那么我可以用稍微不同的方式来做这件事，或者做真实的自己，你会发现这样其实效果很好，然后你就感觉自己有了更多发挥空间。

So I can kind of do this in a slightly different way if I want or I can just be myself and you realize that that can actually work well, then you feel you've got a bit more room to move.

嗯。

Mhmm.

很多时候，这让人感到非常受限。

A lot of the time, it's very restricting.

你会觉得我好像站在所有人面前。

You feel like I've I'm in front of all these people.

我必须按照某种特定方式行事。

I have to do it a certain way.

我不能越出这个特定的限制框架，但你知道，你可以开始逐渐掌控它一点。

I I can't step outside this certain restricted way I'm supposed to do this, but, you know, you can kind of, like, start to own it a bit more Yeah.

随着经验积累，做真实的自己。

With with more experience as you be yourself.

好的。

Okay.

我还有另一个问题要问你，其实这是你网站上你自己提出的问题之一。

I've got another question for you, which is actually one of your own questions from your website.

问题是：你理想中的一天包含什么内容？

So it's question is, what does your ideal day involve?

你写道：没有邮件或互联网。

And you wrote no emails or Internet.

一本好书和阳光。

A good book and sunshine.

所以我的问题是：你实际上多久能拥有这样的一天？

So my question for you is how how often do you actually manage to have a day like that?

你一开始念这个问题，我就知道你会这么问。

As soon as you started reading that out, I knew that this was gonna be your question.

老实说，我都记不清上次过这种日子是什么时候了。

And honestly, I can't remember when I had one of those days.

唯一能真正从事业、工作、社交网络上的亲友圈抽身的时刻...现在所有事情都交织在一起，一切都线上化了。

The only time when I can really extract myself from my business, my work, friends and family on social networks or whatever, Everything is so intertwined now and everything is online.

所有东西都在你的电脑、手机或平板上，你可以随身携带。

Everything is at your computer or on your phone or on your tablet and you can take it anywhere.

对吧？

Right?

所以真的很难从这些时刻中抽身。

So it's really hard to extract yourself from those moments.

对我来说，我缺乏足够的自律性。

And so for me, I don't have a whole lot of self discipline.

所以我通常需要完全脱离网络覆盖范围。

So it usually takes me being completely outside of internet range.

那就是我能享受那些日子的时候。

That's when I have those days.

那应该是在四月份。

So that would have been April.

既然说到这个，我可以追溯到四月份在西澳大利亚州远北海岸露营时，那里完全没有手机信号，简直是天堂。

Now that I've said that I can track that back to April when I was on the Far North Coast Of Western Australia camping and far from any phone reception and it was blissful.

是啊。

Yeah.

哇。

Wow.

在澳大利亚你们有真正的荒野地区对吧？

In Australia you'd have proper wilderness areas, right?

西澳大利亚州的远北海岸。

The Far North Coast Of Western Australia.

那里是什么样子的？

What's it like up there?

西北部。

Northwest.

大部分地区都非常干旱。

Lots of it's very dry.

嗯，每年那个时候都特别干燥。

Well, at that time of year it's very dry.

所以土地呈现红色。

So the earth is red.

海水是明亮的绿松石蓝色，沿着大部分海岸线，这两种景象直接交汇。

The sea is a brilliant turquoise blue and along much of the coastline, those two things just meet.

因此形成了鲜明的对比——湛蓝的海水与红土相映，炎热干燥却又美得惊人。

So there's this stark contrast between brilliant blue water and red earth and it's hot and dry, but stunningly beautiful as well.

这段海岸线拥有最原始纯净的珊瑚礁之一。

This part of the coast has one of the most pristine reefs.

你可以去浮潜，海龟、鲸鲨、座头鲸、虎鲸应有尽有，各种海洋生物极其丰富。

So you can go snorkeling and turtles and whale sharks and humpback whales and orcas and yeah, everything in abundance.

听起来太不可思议了。

That sounds incredible.

你们是在那里露营吗？

And you camp up there, do you?

对。

Yeah.

那里非常偏远。

It's really remote.

就像悬在悬崖边上，跳进水里和海龟、神奇的鱼类、刺鳐等各种生物一起游泳。

So you're sort of perched on the side of a cliff jumping into the water and swimming around with turtles and amazing fish and stingrays and everything.

很酷。

It's cool.

天啊，这太神奇了。

God, that's incredible.

你是不是有点害怕澳大利亚那些危险的野生动物，蛇啊蜘蛛啊什么的，感觉那里的一切都想置你于死地？

You're kind of scared of all of the dangerous wildlife, snakes and spiders and everything wants to kill you in Australia, doesn't it?

是啊。

Yeah.

我觉得这就像，你知道的，就像维吉麦酱。

I think it's like, you know, it's like Vegemite.

如果你从小接触它，就不会那么在意了。

If you're born with it, you don't worry about it so much.

它一直都在那里。

It's always been there.

维吉麦酱听众们。

Vegemite listeners.

大家知道维吉麦酱是什么吗？

Do you know what Vegemite is everybody?

其实我有个朋友不久前去了澳大利亚，给我带了个小纪念品回来。

Actually, a friend of mine went to Australia a while ago, and he brought me back a little souvenir.

我正在给非视频观众展示给艾玛看。

I'm showing it to Emma for the non video viewers.

他给我带了这个冰箱贴，就是维吉麦酱造型的。

He brought me this fridge magnet, which is a Vegemite.

澳大利亚。

Australia.

对。

Yeah.

维吉麦酱冰箱贴。

Vegemite fridge magnet.

维吉麦酱听众本质上就是澳大利亚版的英国马麦酱。

Vegemite listeners is essentially the Australian equivalent of Marmite from The UK.

这差不多是同一个东西。

It's more or less the same thing.

我觉得当你描述它时听起来并不怎么样。

I think it is a it doesn't sound great when you when you describe it.

听众们，这是一种酵母提取物，听起来并不美味。

It's a kind of it's a yeast extract, listeners, which doesn't sound great.

但或许我可以换个说法让你更容易接受——它是维生素B12的极佳来源。

But maybe I can sell it to you better if I say that it's a very, very rich source of vitamin b twelve.

事实上，据我所知它基本上含有100%的维生素B。

In fact, it's basically a 100% vitamin b as far as I can tell.

对吧？

Right?

这是一种涂抹酱。

It's a sort of a spread.

这是一种你可以涂抹的咸味酱料。

It's a sort of a savory, spread that you might put on it.

描述得很好。

Good description.

是啊。

Yeah.

没错。

Yeah.

你可以把它涂在烤芝士三明治或其他食物上，能增添很多风味。

You put it on a toasted cheese sandwich or all sorts of other things, and it adds a lot of flavor.

不用涂太多。

You don't put loads of it on.

只需涂一点点，就能增添额外的风味。

You just put a bit on, and it just can add an extra bit of flavor.

你可以用它来烹饪之类的用途。

You can use it in cooking and stuff like that.

而Vegemite是

And Vegemite is

和Vegemite一起摔倒。

fall down with Vegemite.

是啊。

Yeah.

没错。

Right.

他们像涂花生酱那样分层涂抹。

They sort of layer it on like peanut butter.

嗯对。

And Yeah.

那太可怕了。

That's atrocious.

不该那么做。

That's not the way to do it.

你不能直接用勺子挖一大勺塞进嘴里。

You don't just stick a spoon in and just take the whole spoon in your mouth.

你也不会这样吃芥末吧。

So you wouldn't do that with mustard.

这是类似的道理。

It's a similar kind of thing.

只需少量使用即可。

You just use it sparingly.

但Vegemite绝对是澳大利亚文化的一种象征，怎么说呢，算是文化标志吧。

But Vegemite is absolutely a sort of, what's the word for it, sort of an icon of Australian culture.

你说过什么我记不清了。

And you said what I can't remember what you said.

这就像维吉麦酱，如果你是天生就接触它的话。

It's like Vegemite if you're born with it.

所以作为土生土长的澳大利亚人，你是吃着维吉麦酱长大的。

So if as a native born Australian, you grew up with Vegemite.

所以你基本上已经习惯了它。

So you've you've kinda got used to it.

你非常喜欢它。

You like it a lot.

同样地，那些野生动物、蜘蛛和蛇，如果你从小就接触它们，它们就不会让你那么困扰。

And similarly, the kind of the the the wildlife, the spiders and snakes, if you were born with that, then it doesn't bother you so much.

是啊。

Yeah.

你从没有理由害怕它，因为它一直都在那里。

Well, you've never sort of had any reason to fear it because it's always been there.

我认为，天生就接触某样东西就像...我相信每个听众都能想到自己国家的一种食物，其他国家的人尝试时会觉得'哦，这挺有意思'。

And I think, being born into something is like I'm sure everyone who's listening can think of something in their own cuisine that people from other parts of the world, they try it and they think, oh, this is interesting.

总有些东西在你看来非常普遍，从未质疑过为什么大家都吃、大家都喜欢，直到有外来者问'这是什么？'。

So there's always things that that are really common that you've never questioned that everyone eats and everyone enjoys until someone from outside outside kind of comes in and goes, what is that?

现在很好奇这个视频的评论区里会不会有人分享他们国家的维吉麦酱版本。

Curious to see now in the comments under this video if anyone's like adding their version of Vegemite, whatever it is for them.

是啊。

Yeah.

是啊。

Yeah.

听众们、观众们，你们国家有哪些食物可能是其他地方的人无法理解的？

Listeners, viewers, what is the food in your country that perhaps people from other places just don't understand?

比如说，在日本，我举个例子。

Like, for example, in in in Japan, I give an example.

在日本，有纳豆，就是发酵的黄豆。

In in Japan, it's natto, which is, fermented soy soybeans.

是啊。

Yeah.

那种拉丝的、

That's kind of stretchy and

黏糊的。

stringy.

又黏又拉丝。

Stringy and stretchy.

就像是这些豆子，它们都在发酵。

So it's like these beans, and they've they've they're all rotting.

所以这些黏糊糊、拉丝的东西都裹在豆子上。

And so all this kind of stringy, stretchy stuff, sticky stuff is all over them.

但很多日本人就把这个当主食吃。

But a lot of Japanese people just eat that as as a staple part of their diet.

不过它很有名。

But it's a famous thing.

就像，其他人会觉得，啥？

Like, other people are like, what?

这东西好恶心。

This stuff is disgusting.

但在日本完全很正常。

But it's totally normal in Japan.

据我所知，几乎所有的英国食物都属于这个类别。

Pretty much all English food, as far as I can tell, probably fits into this category.

那不是真的。

That's not true.

也许有一种香肠是苏格兰的苏格兰食物。

One sausage maybe is Scottish Scottish food.