詹姆斯·西克曼助您提升短杆技巧

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Here's your host, someone who walks inside the ropes but thinks outside the box, Mark Embleman.

我相信您已准备好提升高尔夫成绩，尤其是短杆技术。

I'm sure you are ready to improve your golf scores and certainly ready to improve your short game.

记住，低垂的果实最易摘——从最容易突破的环节入手，才能最快提升球技。

Remember, the low hanging fruit, that is where you go first to make the biggest inroads and the quickest inroads on your golf game.

怎么样？

How's it?

我是马克·伊梅尔曼。

My name is Mark Immelman.

感谢您下载本期播客。

Thank you for downloading this podcast.

衷心感谢您的支持。

I really appreciate you.

我实在是太兴奋了，以至于

I'm just so excited as to

不知道未来会为我们准备什么。

what the future holds for us.

我们一直进展顺利，而且未来还为你们安排了一些非常精彩的访谈。

We've been going along so well, and we've got some really neat interviews scheduled for you guys in the future.

很快会有一期很酷的内容，关于腰部健康以及整体背部健康，以及如何通过这期播客让你更高效地击打高尔夫球打得更远。

There's a cool one coming up very soon about lower back health and about back health in general and how included in this podcast you can be more efficient to hit the golf ball further.

敬请期待。

So watch out for that.

我相信你们会喜欢与托马斯·马尔凯的播客。

I'm sure you will enjoy the podcast with Thomas Malchai.

总之，今天的内容是关于提高你的得分，正如我所说，最好的方法是从40到50码内提升自己。

Anyhow, today, this is about improving your scoring and the best way to do that, as I said, is to improve yourself from inside of forty fifty yards.

这才是能立竿见影改变分数的地方。

That is where instantaneous score changing comes.

经常需要说明的是，这并非最容易练习的项目。

Oftentimes, and the disclaimer about this, it's not the easiest thing to practice.

也不是练习起来最有乐趣的项目。

It's not the most fun thing to practice.

当然更算不上最性感的练习内容。

It's certainly not the sexiest thing to practice.

我知道去练习场尽情挥杆或者调整挥杆动作要有趣得多。

I know it's more fun to go to the range and whip drivers away as far as you can or can or to tinker with your swing.

但如果你想看到高尔夫分数的直接提升，就要改进30码内的短杆技术，这就是为什么这期播客我期待发布已久。

But if you wanna see a direct correlation to your golf score, improve inside 30 yards, and that is why this podcast is I've been looking forward to releasing it for so long.

詹姆斯·西格曼是真正的专家，他见证了从塞维·巴亚斯、特雷斯那个年代到现在与美巡赛选手们合作的整个历程。

James Siegman, a real expert, and he's he's seen the comings and the goings from back in the day with Sevi Bias, Teres and Company to now all the folks he works with on the PGA Tour.

在那之前，先做些准备工作。

Anyhow, before that, just some gardening, some housekeeping.

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I appreciate you joining us.

向朋友们推荐我们吧。

Tell your friends about us.

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Hey.

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我个人账号是markemmelman，我有个Instagram账号会发些照片和家庭日常，但主要是PGA巡回赛的图片和视频。

Me personally, I'm markemmelman and I do have an Instagram account where I post some pictures and some random little family things, but largely pictures and videos from the PGA Tour.

所以如果你喜欢高尔夫，相信你会喜欢我们那边的一些照片。

So if you're into golf, I'm sure you'll enjoy some of the pictures we've got over there.

总之，让我们来提升你的短杆技术吧？

Anyhow, let's get your short game improved, shall we?

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一大早，我们连线到了现代短杆大师。

Early in the morning, got the master of the modern short game on the line.

詹姆斯·西格曼，欢迎来到我们的节目。

James Siegman, welcome to our show.

最近怎么样，老兄？

How are you doing, man?

马克，我很好。

Mark, I'm doing great.

谢谢邀请我。

Thanks for having me.

刚从永恒之城度假归来。

Fresh off a nice vacation over in the Eternal City.

那一定

That must

很有趣。

have been fun.

我非常喜欢。

I loved it.

那里真的非常有意思。

It was it was so interesting.

我一直是个历史迷，如果你想了解世界历史，罗马是个绝佳的去处。

I always could have been a history buff, and if you want world's history, there's a good place to go as Rome.

确实如此。

That's for sure.

告诉你吧，几年后在那里举行的莱德杯也会非常精彩，你不觉得吗？

I'll tell you what, in the Ryder Cup there in a few years' time is gonna be a barn burner as well, don't you think?

是的。

Yes.

考虑到当地人的热情程度，我想会的。

It's as passionate as those people are, I would think so.

好的。

Okay.

让我们深入探讨短杆技巧。

Let's delve into the short game.

但在开始之前，詹姆斯，请你向全球观众做个自我介绍。

But before we do that, James, I want you to introduce yourself to our global audience.

说实话，我很久以前就在PGA巡回赛上远远关注过你，但今天想真正了解你。

You know, I've sort of seen you from afar on the PGA tour from a long time, but let's get to know you.

首先，你是如何走到今天这个位置的？

First off, how did you come to where you are?

大学毕业后，我直接进入了职业赛场——那时候还没有web.com巡回赛或霍根巡回赛这类赛事。

Well, after playing in college, I went to play those days, there was no web.comtour or Hogan tour or whatever.

所以球员们要么去南非，要么去亚洲、欧洲或澳大利亚发展。

So the players either went to South Africa or Asia or Europe or Australia.

于是我在亚洲高尔夫巡回赛打了四年球，期间也去过南美洲比赛。

And, so I went and played the Asian golf circuit for, four years and along with South America.

作为一个天赋有限的年轻人，当需要转型时，我发现除了高尔夫自己确实没有其他专长。

And, as a as a young man who didn't quite have the goods, when it was time to move on, I wasn't qualified for a whole lot else other than golf.

所以我选择了最熟悉的领域，从球员转型为高尔夫教练或导师。

So, I I did what I knew best, which was was trying to make a life in in golf, coaching or teaching instead of playing.

总之这就是我职业生涯的起点。

And So that's where it started anyway.

说到短杆技术...

And the short game.

显然你本身是位出色的球员，但转型成为短杆教练是因为这是你的强项，还是你意识到这才是真正能显著降低杆数的突破口？

I mean, obviously, you were a a proficient player in your own right, but was the graduation to an instructor of the short game expressly kind of a function of what you did well or more the fact that this intrigued you and you realized that, hold on, this is the way to really make inroads on your golf score?

嗯，我觉得其实是后者。

Well, I I think it was the latter, really.

那个，我有趣的部分，可以说是我独特的道路，真正开始于我短杆技术还不错这个事实。

The the my interesting the the interesting part and my kinda my unique path, so to speak, to where I really started with the fact that my short game was it was fine.

你知道，那只能算一般水平，我会这么说。

It was, you know, it was average, I would say.

嗯哼。

Mhmm.

但当我退出时，我哥哥最好的朋友之一是塞维·巴鲁斯特罗斯，那时候他...是的。

But, when I quit, one of my brother's best friends was Sevi Balusteros when he he Yeah.

在巡回赛上打球。

Played on tour.

因为他在欧洲打了七年球，之后又在PGA巡回赛打了11年，有几次机会能和塞维一起打球，看他训练什么的。

He because he played in Europe for seven years before he played 11 on the PGA Tour, and had the opportunity on several occasions to, you know, go around with Sevi and watch it practice and whatnot.

所以

So

那会让你大开眼界的

That'll open your eyes by

那真是...太棒了。

the It it it was awesome.

是啊。

Yeah.

所以当我开始创办自己的学院时，我有大约四个月的休息时间，其中一件事就是我去了球员锦标赛，替我哥哥给凯蒂录像。

So so as as I began to open my own academy, I had about four months off, and one of the things I did is I went to the players championship to Katie for my brother and took a video camera.

那时候，你基本上得把球杆靠在肩膀上休息。

In those days, it was kinda you had to rest on your shoulder.

是啊。

Yeah.

我记得，我记得那些

I remember I remember those

美好的日子。

days fondly.

没错。

Yeah.

基本上花了整整两天录像，记录塞维打出各种击球，还有科里·帕文、雷蒙德·弗洛伊德这些顶尖选手的挥杆。

It took two days of video, basically, of Seve hitting every kind of shot and Corey Paven and Raymond Floyd and all these great players.

可以说在打开新世界大门前，我意识到自己其实并不真正了解什么是正确的基本功。

And before I opened my door, so to speak, I thought, you know, I don't really know what proper fundamentals are.

我知道绝不是简单的身体左倾、双手前置、头部保持不动——因为苏里·巴鲁斯特罗斯明显没这么做。

I know that it's not, you know, lean left, keep your hands ahead, keep your head still because that that that's clearly not what Suri Balusteros was doing.

于是我深入钻研这些录像素材，决定无论看到什么内容，都要清空成见，录像里呈现什么我就教什么。

And so I just dive deep into the the footage, and I thought, well, whatever whatever I see on tape, I'll just wipe this slate clean, and that's what I'll teach.

所以当时我根本没想过'我要专攻短杆技术'这回事。

And so I I didn't have a moment at that time going, oh, I'll specialize in the short game.

也没打算当什么短杆大师。

I'm gonna be this short game guru.

我只是幸运地获得了接触这些顶尖选手的机会，研究录像后很快意识到：哇

I just, like, had this amazing access to these these elite performers and realized soon after studying the tape that, wow.

我听说的这些方法，他们根本没在用。

All this stuff I've heard to do, that's not what they're doing.

他们做的，你知道，完全不是这样。

They're doing, you know, nothing like this.

所以这正是我最感兴趣的地方，也是我开始深入研究的原因。

So that's where my my interest really peaked and where I I started to study deeply.

嘿。

Hey.

这难道不疯狂吗？

Isn't that crazy?

因为你我都有兄弟是职业高尔夫球手，而且都很成功。

Because you and I both have brothers that have been good professional golfers and successful.

但当你听到各种方法论，听到人们对事物的见解，然后去观察世界上最优秀的选手时——我有幸近距离观察过塞维。

But but you you you hear methodology, and you hear folks opine on stuff, then you go and watch the world's best, and I've had the good fortune of watching Sevii up close too.

我永远忘不了多年前在慕尼黑宝马锦标赛上，我、我兄弟和他之间的一次互动。

I'll never forget an interaction I had with him and my brother in over in Munich at the BMW championship way back.

当时小个子杰夫·奥格维也在场，还有很多短打高手。

And there was little green Jeff Ogilvie was out there, and a lot of good short game guys.

塞维用沙坑杆轻轻切削那些球。

And Sevi was nipping these sand wedges in there.

他是唯一能让球立刻停住的人，而且他的技术手法与当时普遍教授的方式截然不同。

The only guy who could get them to stop, and just the technique was so different to what was kind of, taught at the time.

百分百同意。

A 100%.

百分百真实。

100% true.

不仅不同，几乎相反，而我对这现象的理论是双重的，虽然有点跑题，但你知道，过去七十度用的是五十六度的挖起杆。

Just not not only different, but nearly opposite of and and my theories on on how that happened are really twofold and and somewhat off topic, but, you know, back in the day, like, seventy had a 56 degree wedge.

那就是他所有的装备了。

That was all he had.

是啊。

Yeah.

他就只有这个。

It's all he had.

没错。

Yeah.

而他还能用它跳舞呢。

And he he could make a dance.

他能打高抛球。

He could hit it high.

也能打切击球。

He could check it.

他无所不能。

He could do anything.

懂吗？

You know?

后来随着六十度挖起杆盛行，现在球员们总在不该用的时候把它掏出来。

And then at some point, as the 60 degree wedge, became pro prevalent, and players now are pulling it out really when they shouldn't.

他们正在设想一个低飞球，同时拿出了60度挖起杆。

They're visualizing a low shot, and they're pulling out their 60.

要知道，要打出那种球，只有一两种方法可行。

You know, there's there's only one or two ways you can do it to pull that shot off.

所以我总是告诉球员们，要用心听。

So I always tell players, just listen.

如果你有一支60度的球杆，就意味着要直直地把球打向空中。

If you have a if you have a, you know, 60 degrees meant to go straight up in the air.

如果你给一个10岁的神童小孩送了一支6度挖起杆作为生日礼物，那简直是在害他。

And if you have a a 10 year old hotshot kid and you give him a a six degree wedge for his birthday present, you're, like, doing him a huge disservice.

他必须学会创造飞行轨迹，按照球杆的设计用途来使用它——也就是用这支高抛挖起杆把球打向空中。

He's has to learn to create trajectories and use the club the way it's intended, which would be to, you know, hit hit that lofted wedge up in the air.

我不知道你怎么想，但在我成长过程中，都是用劈起杆来切球的。

And I don't know about you, but when I grew up, you know, I chipped with a pitching wedge.

而在沙坑里，我们就用沙坑杆。

And then in the sand, we used a sand wedge.

嗯。

Mhmm.

正因如此，我练就了手感，能够正确使用球杆把球打向空中。

And because of that, I developed hands and ability to use the club property and put it up in the air.

所以重点在于：

So a big Look.

看好了。

Look.

其中的组成部分。

Component of of that.

所以

So

哦，是的。

Oh, yeah.

绝对没错。

Absolutely.

这就是为什么我看到PGA巡回赛上有那么多球员都聘请你。

And and it's why I see you being hired by so many folks in the PGA Tour.

你知道吗，你分享的那个关于沙坑杆和高抛杆的轶事，我看到有人把球杆往后放，手往前压，把杆面前缘挖进地里时，我的眼睛简直要喷血了——这根本不是它应有的使用方式。

You know, you share this anecdote about the sand wedge and the lob wedge, and and my eyes wanna start spouting blood when I see guys get this thing back in the stance, the hands way in front, they're digging the frontage of the club into the ground, and it's not performing like it should.

在我的教练生涯中，我有幸与拉里·梅斯共事过一段时间，那时他正要转战PGA冠军巡回赛。

And I've had the good fortune over my career as an instructor to work with Larry Maes for a while as he was moving on to the PGA Tour Champions.

而他至今仍然只带一支沙坑杆。

And he still only carries a sand wedge.

里面根本没有高抛杆。

There's no lob wedge in there.

这种创造力啊——我是说，他可能是史上最具标志性切击球的人。

And just the creativity, I mean, is a guy who had probably the most recognizable pitch shot ever.

正如你指出的，能够用这一支球杆调整姿势打出不同的球路。

You you know, as you point out, being able to manipulate and hit different shots with this one club.

是啊。

Yeah.

这非常重要。

It's it's so important.

这确实阻碍了发展，对年轻人造成了实质性的伤害。

It really retards the growth for doing doing young people a real disservice.

你知道吗，当时有两个真正让我大开眼界的事情，当我拿着雪佛兰相机时，我回头看了那段经历。

And, you know, the real eye opener there's two eye openers at that time when I had the camera with Chevy, and I I I looked back to that.

我们在第三果岭上，他正在打那些小切杆，球又软又滚，就像35英尺的小切杆。

We're on the third green, and he's hitting these little chips, and they're soft and rolling up, you know, like a a 35 foot little chip.

嗯。

Mhmm.

我当时只是尽量不碍事，但也在拍视频。

And I was just trying to stay out the way, but I was also taking video.

然后当他把球杆放回球包时，那是一根8号铁杆。

And then when he put his club in his bag, it was, an eight iron.

我当时在想，我的劈起杆可打不出那么软的球。

And I was thinking, well, my pitching wedge is not coming out that soft.

他那些漂亮的软绵绵的小8号铁杆切边球。

He's got these beautifully soft little eight iron little off the edge chips.

这实际上说明，如果你懂得正确使用球杆，你需要的杆面倾角反而更小。

And that's really if you you know how to use the club properly, you need less loft.

你需要的反弹角更小。

You need less bounce.

你需要的杆面倾角更小。

You need less loft.

你知道，如果你能理解球杆的设计原理并正确使用，它其实更宽容。

You you know, the, if you can understand how and why the club was designed and use it that way, you know, it's more forgiving.

它更多功能。

It's more versatile.

但如果你把球杆放在后脚位置挖沟，就无法发挥多功能性。

But you don't get the versatility by putting it behind your back foot and digging a trench.

你需要通过更换球杆来打出低飞球。

You you get it by changing clubs if you need to to hit that low shot.

这不是个难题吗？

Isn't that just a conundrum?

因为你会听到有人说，好吧。

Because you'll hear one guy oh, okay.

我们就称这位老师为A吧。

Let's let's just call this teacher a.

对吧？

Right?

他可能叫马克或其他什么名字。

So he my his name might be Mark or whatever the case might be.

他会对精英球员或高阶学员说：长铁杆要打高，挖起杆要打低。

But he'll say to a student, an elite player or a more advanced player and go, well, the long irons, you need to hit them high, and the wedges, you need to hit them low.

明白吗？

Okay?

然后你又要用球包里杆面角最大的球杆来打这些低飞挖起杆。

And then the next thing, you're trying to hit these lower wedges with the most lofted club in your bag.

从那个角度思考的话，这根本说不通。

It just doesn't make sense if you think about it from that point of a view.

是啊。

Yeah.

我是说，我总是根据目标来定义劈起杆击球。

I mean, was I always define a wedge shot by what the goal is.

所以如果你说的是20码内的价值技巧，那是什么？

So if you're saying the skill of value inside 20 yards, what is it?

嗯，我会说这是一种轻柔触击。

Well, I'm gonna say it's a soft touch.

是高度。

It's height.

是旋转。

It's spin.

是能够控制球杆的速度。

It's being able to control the speed of the club.

好吧，如果真是这样，你就不该打低弹道球。

Well, if if that's the case, you don't wanna hit it low.

明白吗？

You know?

要想打出低弹道，你得让杆身前倾并转动身体。

And to hit it low, you gotta lean the shaft and rotate your body.

嗯。

Mhmm.

另一方面，因此在这种需要特定飞行轨迹的击球中，下半身要保持非常被动以创造稳定性，同时让球杆顺利通过。

Another hand so so that therefore, in that that type shot where you that flight is desired, the lower body is very passive and very creates stability, and the the club passes.

反之，如果是75码的击球且想避开风的影响，我会更多地通过身体旋转来控制杆面和击球。

On the other hand, if I have a 75 yard shot and I wanna keep it a bit out of the wind, then I'm gonna control the the the face and the the strike more with body rotation.

所以我们现在称之为距离挖起杆。

So now we call that a distance wedge.

对，就是这样。

So the Yeah.

要知道，70或80码高抛挖起杆的运动力学序列，与10、20或30码击球完全不同。

The kinematic sequence of a flighted, you know, 70 or 80 yard wedge is completely different than something from ten, twenty, or 30.

嘿。

Hey.

这真是个绝妙的观察。

That that that is a beautiful observation.

让我们暂停在这里深入讨论——因为我正好有个问题想请教你，毕竟我们普通球手在这里，说到底都是为了帮助他们提升水平。

Let's drop the anchor and stay there for a little while because one of the questions I wanted to pitch to you, because your club golfer out here, again, we we we exist here to help them to do better.

我觉得只要他们能更熟练地控制果岭周边的击球距离，水平就会提高。

I feel like they're gonna do better if they just get to control distance around the greens a little bit more proficiently.

所以请保持这个话题——大家都知道要瞄准球洞，但必须先掌握正确的击球距离才能保持稳定性。

So so let's stay right where you are because, you know, everyone thinks about holing, but you gotta get the correct correct distance on the thing to be more consistent.

你怎么看？

What are your thoughts?

没错。

Yeah.

当然。

For sure.

我认为价值技能在于控制距离，而这始于稳定的接触。

I think the skill of value is is controlling distance, and that starts with consistent contact.

因此这就是为什么基本功很重要。

And so that's why mechanics are important.

但说实话，作为一名教练，我确信你会同意这一点，如果你说，嘿。

But, honestly, as a coach, and I I'm I'm sure you would agree with this, is if you're saying, hey.

来找我上课吧。

Come to me for a lesson.

我会教你如何挥杆。

I'll teach you how to swing.

你实际上只教了那个人大约20%的技巧。

You're you're literally teaching that person maybe 20% of the the the puzzle.

其他动作要领很重要，因为你需要接触。

The other mechanics are important because you need the contact.

你需要控制。

You need the control.

但你如何走向球以保持头脑清醒和专注呢？

But what about how you walk into the ball to get your mind clear and committed?

你进行何种训练来培养心理和身体技能呢？

What about what type of training you're doing to develop mental and physical skill?

我在教学中一直尝试做的一件事是，如果我认为动作要领只占20%的比重，那么我就会花大约20%的时间在这上面，我们会把时间用在其他方面。

And one of the things I've always tried to do in my lessons, if I think that mechanics are 20% of the the puzzle piece, then I'm gonna spend about 20% of the time on them, and we're going to work on, other things.

我是说，那些人们做不好的简单小事，比如呼吸

I mean, simple simple things that people don't do well, like breathing

嗯哼。

Uh-huh.

正确地呼吸。

Properly.

你懂吗？

You know?

有趣的是，你知道，由于我们都曾与巡回赛球员合作过，很多时候我会收到评论，甚至有人感谢我。

And it's funny, you know, with both having worked with tour players, a lot of times I'll get comments or even I thank you.

现在感觉就像是，天啊。

Now it's like, gosh.

你知道吗，你教过我最重要的事就是如何呼吸。

You know, the most important thing you ever taught me was how to breathe.

如何如何带着更多自信走向球，或者诸如此类的。

How to how to walk into the ball with a little bit more confidence or or or whatnot.

所以并不总是关于技术。

So it's not always about technique.

我是说，技术当然重要，但它不是唯一的东西。

I mean, it's certainly important, but it's it's not the only thing.

你看，你提出了一个很好的观点，因为收听这个播客的大多数人可能正处于一种状态：当他们接近果岭时，会变得越来越忐忑和紧张，这对我来说是个大难题——按理说越接近果岭击球应该越简单，但很多听众在面临普通果岭边的劈起球或越过沙坑的击球时，脑子里却充满了恐惧、紧张和忧虑。

Well, look, you bring up such a good point because the majority of folks within earshot of this podcast are probably in a place where they get closer to the green, and they probably get more and more apprehensive and nervous, and and it is to me the great dilemma, is like, as you get close to the green, the shot should become easier, yet a lot of the folks listening to this, they like, minds are wracked with fear and tension and apprehension, and everything as they approach just a regular green side pitch over a bunker shot over a bunker.

是啊。

Yeah.

100%。

100%.

这是因为他们总在操心自己无法控制的事情——结果。

And that's because they're they're concerning themselves with something they can't control, which is the outcome.

要知道，如果他们能学会把心思专注在执行过程本身，而不是纠结结果会怎样、意味着什么、会不会丢脸、对个人声誉的影响，以及所有那些过度思虑——事情本可以简单得多。

You know, if they could learn to focus their mind on on just what they have to do to execute and not worry about how it's gonna turn out and what it all means and if it's gonna be embarrassing or what it means to their legacy or, you know, all the things they think about it certainly should be easier.

对吧？

Right?

完全正确。

Absolutely.

但我也觉得这很关键，毕竟多年来存在太多错误信息。这又回到我们最初的话题：除了人们果岭周边过度使用高抛杆外，另一个原因是某些时候，高差点球友会突然停止手臂和躯干动作，变成用手腕翻扣击球，让球横滚过果岭——而不知怎地，解决方案竟变成了‘保持手部超前’。

But I also feel like that's important where there's been so much misinformation over the years, and this kinda leads back to where we started, which is, the other reason besides people using too much loft around the green is that at some point, you know, this high handicapper's, you know, stopping their arms and their chest and flipping at it and scrolling across the green, and this somehow the solution to that became, hey.

保持手部超前。

Keep your hands ahead.

这不过是用一个错误修正另一个错误。

Well, that's that's just correcting an error with an error.

真正的解决方案应该是保持手臂持续运动，必要时配合躯干旋转，而绝非让双手紧张僵硬地死命握杆。

The real solution would be keep your arms moving and your chest rotating if need be, but it's certainly not to to create tension in your hands and hang on for dear life.

你提出了一个绝佳观点！之前你提到‘运动链’这个概念，我想听听你的专业见解。

So You bring up such a good point there, and and you you used the term kinematic sequence earlier, and and I think and I want your take, please.

你是权威专家。

You're the guru.

很多人在果岭周边表现挣扎，我想借此延伸讨论一个之前观众提出的关于击球效率的问题。

A lot of folks struggle around the greens, and and I I wanna parlay this into a a smash factor question that we've had posed here before.

果岭周围的许多人并不理解球杆头摆动与握把动作、躯干动作之间的比例关系。

A lot of folks around the greens, they don't understand kind of the ratio of the club head swing to what the handle is doing to what the torso is doing.

所以谈谈动作的时机吧，因为在我看来存在很大的误解。

So talk a bit about the timing of the action, you know, because there's there's huge misunderstandings in my opinion.

是的。

Yeah.

嗯，我同意。

Well, I would I would agree.

最初让我崭露头角的原因之一是我研究过科里·帕文、雷蒙德·弗洛伊德和塞维等人时注意到——我把这些记录在给每位球员的笔记本里——短杆击球的动作序列与全挥杆不同，一旦做错就会导致特定的击球失误。

Now one of the things that probably put me on the map originally is that I I had, when I I studied, you know, Corey Pavin and and Raymond Floyd and Seve, and other things I noticed and I'd written down in a notebook that I give every player is that how the sequence is different than a full swing and that when you get it wrong, this is this is these are the shot errors that tend to happen.

在我担任顾问的儿童表现研究所，罗斯博士和戴夫·菲利普斯曾用三维运动捕捉技术分析过110多名球员的10码短击和全挥杆动作序列。

And at the Child's Performance Institute where I'm on the advisory board, doctor Rose and Dave Phillips had kinematic sequence, three d data on over a 110 players hitting 10 yard shots as as well as full swing.

在这110名球员中，有一组人拥有独特而怪异的动作序列。

And out of these a 110 players, there was a group that had kind of this unique, weird sequence.

先描述一下这些球员的特征吧。

If you look at the players Describe it first.

我会解释的，但让我先告诉你这些球员都是谁。

I'll I'll do that to you, but let me just tell you who the players were first.

这些人包括卢克·唐纳德、杰夫·奥格维、史蒂夫·史翠克、汤姆·珀尼斯、科里·帕文、帕特里克·哈灵顿等——你知道的，都是那些

It happened to be Luke Donald, Jeff Oglevy, Steve Stryker, Tom Pernice, Corey Pavin, Patrick Harrington, you know, all the

史上最优秀的控球手。

Best pitcher of the ball ever.

球员们。

Players.

对。

Right.

对。

Right.

所以你看，正是在那里我真正找到了关键点，因为格雷格·罗斯看了我的笔记后说，嘿。

So that's where, you know, I I really hit my mark because Greg Rose read my notebook and said, hey.

你刚才向我描述的，正是我在三维数据上看到却一直没完全理解的现象。

You've just described to me exactly what I've been seeing on three d data and didn't quite understand what was going on.

而实际情况是，在挥杆顶点时，这些精英短杆选手开始下杆的瞬间，球杆和身体其实都处于静止状态。

And that the reality is at the top of your backswing, these elite wedge players at the start of their downswing, rather, there's the clubs at rest, their bodies at rest.

实际上在过渡阶段，球杆移动速度会略微领先于前臂，至少是同步运动，这时没有下压动作，也没有突然加速。

The club actually moves slightly faster than the lead arm in the transition or at least together, where there's no down could no down cocking or no flash of speed.

由于球杆移动速度稍快，他们手腕的角度开始逐渐释放。

And the angles start to come out of their wrists because the club's moving slightly faster.

球杆的加速运动实际上会在初始阶段轻微减缓手臂的速度。

The the club moving, accelerating, actually decelerates the arm slightly there at the beginning.

因此完整挥杆的运动学顺序应该是：胸部首先旋转且速度比手臂快，同时由于球杆下落导致手臂翻转。

And so the kinematic sequence of a full swing would be where the the chest is rotating first and faster than the arm while it flips because of the club dropping.

所以球杆移动，手臂跟进，现在手臂和胸部基本达到同步，嗯。

So the club goes, the arms going, now the arm and the chest kind of, match up Mhmm.

然后基本保持同步通过击球区。

And kinda ride through together.

但如果你单独考虑手臂和球杆，想想它们需要移动的距离有多远。

But if you think of the arm and the club, think about how much further they have to travel.

他们必须加快速度，嗯哼。

They have to move so much faster Mhmm.

要连接起来或者某种程度上让球杆保持在你的前方。

To be linked up or to kinda so the club can stay in front of you.

嘿。

Hey.

你在我听来就像天使合唱团，你知道当你分享这些时让我想到什么吗？

You sound like choirs of angels to me, and you know what it gets me thinking about as you as you share this?

因为我和卢克以及杰夫·奥格尔维聊过。

Because I've spoken to Luke and Jeff Ogilvie.

我们曾邀请他上过这个播客，我是说，他在果岭边用挖起杆击球时就像交响乐般美妙。

We've had him on this podcast, and, I mean, he's like a symphony when he hits a wedge green side.

布雷特·朗福德是另一个例子。

Brett Rumford is another one.

我想起欧内斯特·琼斯在他的书《挥动杆头》里提到的，你知道，他把小折刀系在手帕上前后摆动，你必须等待让这个钟摆重新追上你，这和你描述的太贴切了。

I think of Ernest Jones in his book, you know, Swing the Clubhead, where he had the the the the the pen knife attached to the handkerchief, and he was swinging it back and forth, and how you've gotta kinda wait with you to allow this pendulum to catch back up with you, and it's so appropriate to what you're describing.

完全正确。

Exactly right.

我是说，现实是如果你脑海中形成这样的概念画面，想想紧张感和不。

I mean, the reality is if if you're if that's a conceptual picture in your mind, think about what tension and No.

它就在那里保持着。

It's holding there.

偏离角度以及所有这些对那个动作的影响。

Off the angles and all that does to that that motion.

这样会毁掉它。

It it ruins it.

你知道吗？

You know?

在果岭周围，你需要流畅性和节奏感，这种独特的动作序列，我认为在紧张状态下或试图过度压低击球时是不可能完成的，这超出了球杆的设计初衷，也违背了我们讨论过的所有要点。

We need around the greens, you need fluidity and rhythm and, you know, this unique sequence, I think, is impossible with tension or if you're trying to hit it super low, lower than what the club is designed and and all these things we've talked about.

嘿。

Hey.

说到这个，我听到一些可能会引发争议的观点，特别是关于过度用力打高抛挖起杆的问题。如果你在果岭边练习时，请分享一下你的看法——当你用短铁杆之类练习时，突然意识到任何突然加速都会让球飞得太远。

And also to that, I I I listened to things that could kinda throw the cat amongst the pigeons here, and certainly trying to hit the lofted wedge too far, because if you green side, and please share your opinions here, if you green side and you're practicing, you know, with a little late iron or whatever, you suddenly realize that any flashing speed, and you're gonna whip this thing way too far.

你需要更好地感知球杆的速度。

You gotta kinda sense the speed of the club more.

完全正确。

Exactly right.

事实上，你正好提到了我最喜欢的训练方法。

A matter of fact, you're you're just hitting upon my favorite drill.

哦，请讲，先生。

Oh, please, sir.

是的。

Yeah.

我最喜欢的训练方法是针对那些突然加速的人——他们过早释放手腕，过度蹬腿，完全缺乏柔和感。

And my favorite drill, where you get these people at the flash of speed, they they down cock, they drive their legs, they they have no, softness.

我称之为‘渐进加速’，即让球杆从缓慢启动开始。

And I I call it gathering speed where the club starts slowly.

它的速度在逐渐加快。

It's picking up pace as it goes.

嗯哼。

Mhmm.

实际上，杆头最大速度出现在击球后的一瞬间。

Maximum velocity of the club head is actually a little past impact.

并不是的。

It's not Yeah.

完全不是之前那样。

Before at all.

所以我喜欢玩一种我称之为'短打跳蛙游戏'的方式。

And so I like to take I call it a short shot leapfrog game.

嗯哼。

Mhmm.

想象一下你拿出9号铁杆或劈起杆。

And so imagine you take out your nine iron pitching wedge.

好的。

K.

然后把球放在果岭边缘一英尺处。

And you put your balls down one foot from the edge of the green.

明白吗？

Okay?

哦，是的。

Oh, yeah.

现在你的任务是击球，第一球要落在果岭上，但尽可能靠近果岭边缘与长草区的交界处。

Now your your job is to hit it, the first ball, on the green, but as close to you close to the edge of the green and fringe as possible.

所以，实际上你要用这支劈起杆或9号铁，打一个大约两英尺半的切击球。

So, literally, you're taking this pitching wedge or nine iron, and you're hitting about a two and a half foot chip with it.

你几乎没怎么移动，就击中了。

You barely move mean, it.

上杆动作要极其缓慢。

The the backswing is super slow motion.

可能只有三四英寸的幅度。

It might be three or four inches long.

我通常都是在干净紧实的球位上做这个练习。

I'm always obviously doing this off kind of a nice clean tight lie.

下一杆只需要比第一球打得稍远一点。

The next shot just has to go, a little bit further than the first ball.

然后你要做的是蛙跳式顺序，逐个超越前面的球，直到远处的目标。

Then what you're gonna do is a leapfrog order, missing the balls as you go to a far target.

我可能会在25英尺外插根校准棒。

So I might put this alignment stick out there 25 feet away.

第一球必须在果岭上，下一球要超过它但不到校准棒，再下一球要超过前球但仍不到校准棒，你要看这个空间能容纳多少球。

And the first ball has to be on the green, the next ball has to be past it but short of the stick, the next ball has to be past it, but short of the stick, and you're trying to see how many balls you can fit into the space.

哦，我喜欢这个练习。

Oh, I love it.

我看到IK Kim是我优秀学生之一，嗯。

I saw IK Kim as one of my good, better students Mhmm.

去年英国公开赛是谁赢得了冠军？

Who's won the British Open this last year when it was British Open.

嗯哼。

Mhmm.

以蛙跳顺序将17个球放入这个空间，她做到了，那触感简直令人难以置信地惊艳。

Fit 17 balls into this space in leapfrog order, and it was her it's so incredibly impressive just the touch.

你看，她用这支小挖起杆，让每个球都刚好越过前一个球六英寸。

You know, she's hitting one ball six inches past the next, all with this little wedge.

然后如果你做完这个练习，移到侧面，让人用9号铁打一个15英尺的切杆，通常他们会说'哦，9号铁空间不够'。

And then if you just did this drill and you moved over to the side and you gave somebody a 15 foot chip, with a nine iron, and normally, they'd be going, oh, there's not enough room for nine iron.

突然间你就会意识到，用9号铁打这种短击球其实有足够的空间，这对很多人来说真是大开眼界。

All of a sudden, you just realize how much space there is to use this nine iron and hit this little short shot, and that's a real eye opener for a lot of people.

这是学习节奏的绝妙方法。

It's an awesome way to learn rhythm.

老兄，我太喜欢了。

Man, I love it.

成交。

Deal.

我超爱这个。

I love it.

我跟你说，听这个的时候我在想——因为我经常挑战别人，这对所有球员都适用。

And I'll tell you what I I tell you what as as I listen to this, because I challenge folks at times, and this is for all players.

你知道，我在东南亚这边，还得应付百慕大草的挑战。

You know, I'm down in the Southeast, and you've got that Bermuda rift to deal with.

你必须能让球杆以适当的角度挥入，并基本落在正确的位置，我觉得有些人下杆时动作太快了。

You gotta be able to get the club coming in on appropriate angle and and kinda landing in the right spots, that I think sometimes people, they get too fast in their downswing.

你知道的，他们实际上在加速，而在果岭附近时，仅凭球杆的质量和挥杆的动量就足以让球移动适当距离，剩下的就交给果岭了。

You know you know, they they actually accelerating, where sometimes around the green, just the mass of the club and the momentum of the thing are enough to move the ball the appropriate distance, and then the green can take care of the rest.

是啊。

Yeah.

百分百同意。

A 100%.

就像我说的，如果技术价值体现在高度、旋转、轻柔触感以及控制球杆速度上，那就完全对了。

I mean, just like I said, if the skill value is height and spin and having a soft touch and controlling the speed of the club, that's exactly it.

我的意思是，重力是你的朋友。

I mean, gravity is your friend.

就让球杆自然地落在球上。

Just allow that club to just kinda to to fall on the ball.

显然，奥古斯塔国家俱乐部对我和我的家人来说是个特别的地方，我在欧洲与塞维有过合作经历，但看何塞·玛丽亚在奥古斯塔那些切球位处理各种球位时，就能明白你说的那种没有过度加速的感觉。

And then, obviously, as you know, Augusta National is a special place to me and my family, and I had experience with Sevi over in Europe, but then watching Jose Maria around Augusta National, around those chipping venues off those lies, you can see what you're describing, how there's no hyper acceleration.