中国入境旅游人数持续攀升！

讨论让世界运转不息。

Discussion keeps the world turning.

这里是圆桌论坛。

This is Roundtable.

您正在收听的是由我Young主持的《圆桌论坛》，本期演播室嘉宾是Steve Hatherley和Yushun。节目中将探讨科技、商业、流行文化等话题，也有触动心弦的深度对话环节。欢迎发送邮件至roundtablepodcast@qq.com参与讨论，若您有勇气，亦可发送语音备忘录。

You're listening to Roundtable with myself, Young. I'm joined by Steve Hatherley and Yushun in the studio. Coming up, whether it's the world of technology, business, pop culture, or something that touches your heart, we're here to discuss in our heart to heart segment. Email us at roundtablepodcast@qq.com. And if you're feeling bold, send us a voice memo.

向我们提问总能收获惊喜。中国近期实施的签证便利政策极大方便了国际旅客，我们将讨论中国必游之地以及值得您整装出发的理由。苹果播客用户可搜索《Roundtable China》收听节目。

Ask us a question. It's always a win. And China's recent visa waiving policies have made it so much easier for international travelers to visit the country. We discuss what to see in China and why you might want to pack your bags for this exciting trip. Our podcast listeners can find us at Roundtable China on Apple Podcast.

此外，经过短暂调整后，我们已重新登陆小宇宙及安卓平台。感谢听众们的耐心等待，现在您可通过这些平台收听全部400期节目内容。现在让我们进入'心语问答'环节——您提问，

And also, we're back on Xiaoyuzhou and the Android platforms as well after a little bit of a struggle. But thank you all for sticking around, and now you can access all of our podcasts. Well, actually, 400 podcast, entries from these platforms. And now let's have a moment of heart to heart. You ask.

我们解答。《圆桌论坛·心语问答》，谁有问题或心声想对节目组诉说？

We answer. Roundtable. Heart to Heart. Who's got a question or something to say to Roundtable?

嗨，大家好。我是来自重庆的忠实听众，从事自由译员工作。自2016年起就开始收听你们的节目，这是我最早订阅的播客之一。

Hi, guys. I'm your long term listener. I'm from Chongqing, and I am working in my capacity as a freelancer translator and interpreter. So I have been listening to your program since 2016. Your program was one of the first podcast I have been subscribed to.

顺便说一下，在ESD的节目中（12月11日那期），你提到纸质杂志在美国正经历复兴，因为纸袋——我是说实体杂志——更具亲密感。你可以拿着它、触摸它、闻它，具有某种情感价值。

And by the way, in ESD's program, which is December 11, So you mentioned that there's a renaissance of paper bag, I mean, physical magazines, especially in The US because the paper bag is, like, more intimate. You can hold it. You can touch it. You can smell it. It has some emotional value.

但在何阳参与的节目里，他说《哈泼斯》并非你以为的《哈泼斯》——你指的是《时尚芭莎》对吧？《哈泼斯杂志》其实类似《纽约客》，有对时事的独特见解，包含散文、小说、书评和虚构作品，属于文学类杂志。

But during the program that He Yang said that the harpers so the harpers is not that harpers because you mean, what do you meant is harpers baza, baza, like a. It's not Harper's. So the Harper's magazine is like the New Yorker. They have their own, like, take on the current affairs, and they have some essays and novels and also book review and fiction. So it's like kind of literary magazine.

谢谢。我必须提一下，因为你的开场白和结束语似乎是Rayon录制的。Rayon已经离开很久了，但我依然想念他们。你们曾拥有Rayon、澎善和宇阳这样优秀的人才，我真的很怀念大家。

Thank you. And I have to mention that because your intro and outro, I think they're being recorded by Rayon. So Rayon has gone, I mean, like, long before, but I still miss them. Like, you have such a brilliant guys like Rayon and Pongshan and Yuyang. So I miss you all guys.

祝愿他们在各自的职业追求中一切顺利。也请你们继续加油。另外我有个建议：比如现在有人用Google的Notebook LM制作播客，效果超乎想象。

I wish them have a doing wonderful in their respect career pursuits. And, also, you keep it up. And, I have another advice for you. Because, for example, that nowadays, they're using the Google's Notebook LM to produce podcast. It's larger than life.

真实度令人难以置信。或许你们可以尝试输入素材用它制作一期节目——毕竟太芯国际的同事已经在用这个工具录制节目了，我认为这对你们的节目会是很好的补充。

It's unbelievably authentic and true to life. So I think that maybe you can you can you can just give them your input and produce one episode, I mean, using Notebook LM because you see that your colleagues at the Taixin Global. Nowadays, they're using this to record their programs. I think it's fantastic. I think that it's a good complement to your program.

希望你们能考虑这个建议。谢谢，祝一切顺利。

So maybe you can give it a considerations. So thank you, and wish you all the best.

非常感谢重庆的Patty，你提到了一些非常有趣的话题。首先我要说Patty你完全正确，感谢指出这点。《哈泼斯杂志》是美国最古老且备受尊敬的期刊之一，涵盖文学、政治等广泛主题（正如你提到的）。而《时尚芭莎》——我曾经订阅过——则是另一本杂志。

Thank you so much, Patty, from Chongqing. And you covered some really interesting issues. First of all, let me say, Patty, you're absolutely spot on, and thank you so much for pointing that out. Harper's Magazine is one of the oldest and most respected American periodicals that covers a wide range of subjects including literature, politics and so on as you mentioned, Patty. And Harper's Bazaar which I used to be a subscriber.

其实也不尽然。我买过几本平装书。但无论如何，它是全球最具影响力和声望的时尚杂志之一。尽管存在差异，这两本杂志都属于哈珀出版家族旗下，最初始于哈珀与罗出版公司。非常感谢你指出这一点。

Well, not really. I've bought a couple paperbacks. But anyway, it's one of the most influential and prestigious fashion magazines in the world. Despite their differences, both magazines are part of the Harper family of publications, which originally started under the Harper and Row Publishing House. And thank you so much for pointing it out.

能听到听众们让我们保持警觉总是很棒。是的，你提到了我们可爱的正式前同事们。与如此才华横溢的人共事确实是莫大的荣幸。我也怀着同样的祝福之情。就像我们在这里所做的工作一样，投入了那么多时间和热爱，你会结交一生的朋友。

It's always great to hear from our listeners who keep us on our toes. And yes, you mentioned our lovely formal former colleagues. And yes, it's been a great pleasure working with such talented people. And I share that similar sentiment of wishing them the best as such. And work, as we spent so much time and so much love in it, like what we do here, you make friends of a lifetime.

几周前我刚和黄申碰过面。我们下午茶时聊得很愉快。当你共事多年、共同经历那么多风雨后，这种感觉就像是一起上过战场的战友。总之，我们节目里有过许多非常棒的嘉宾。

I just met up with Huang Shen a couple of weeks ago. We had a wonderful chat over some afternoon tea and yeah, because when you work together for so many years and you go through so much together and it's almost like you're you're soldiers who've been to battle together and yeah. Anyway, we've we've had some lovely lovely people on the show.

像《圆桌会议》这样长寿的节目，不可避免地会有人加入也有人离开——虽然告别总是令人伤感。但你们共同建立的那种纽带永远不会消失，因为你们曾一起制作过这档节目。最令人感动的是，佩蒂，这种纽带不仅存在于演播室成员之间，也存在于演播室与你这样的听众之间，这正是我们做这档节目的意义所在。

When you have a show like Roundtable that's been around for such a long time, inevitably, you're going to have people come and join the show and then sometimes, sad sadly, it's always a sad day, isn't it? When you have people say goodbye to the show. But that bond that you created with them is something that you'll always share because you did that show together for a period of time. What's really lovely to hear, Patty, is that that bond doesn't just exist between the people here in the studio, it exists between the people in the studio and you, Patty, the listener, as well, which is the point of doing a show like this.

太棒了。你刚才说史蒂夫，我差点要说小史蒂夫呢。

Wonderful. You said Steve. I was almost gonna say Stevie.

我在想，不知道你们在节目里是否喜欢这个称呼。

I'm like, don't know if you appreciate it on the show.

确实有人这么叫我。

Some people call me that.

此外，你提到了NotebookLM，哦，你不该提的。我知道你试用过它。对我们可爱的听众，你有什么想说的吗？

And also, you mentioned NotebookLM and oh, you shouldn't. I know you've experimented with it. And what do you have to say to our lovely listener?

你最近在用它吗？

Have you been playing with it?

是的。我们也在探索如何将许多这类AI融入工作流程，实际上我们也试用了Notebook LM。和你一样，我们对其能力感到震惊，但同时，不得不说也带来了一种危机感。在某些领域，当这类AI能像人类一样真实工作时，我们可能真的会被迅速取代。但与此同时，我一直在思考我们人类能提供哪些AI无法替代的东西。

Yeah. We're also exploring ways to incorporate a lot of these AIs into our workflow, and we've actually tried out note Notebook LM ourselves. And like you, we we're truly amazed by its capabilities, how but but, you know, it also brought a sense of crisis, I would say. We we may really, you know, be rapidly replaced by certain area or in some areas when these kind of AI can actually do as authentic as human can do. But at the same time, I've been reflecting on what we as humans can offer that, you know, AI cannot.

或许，正是我们建立情感连接、分享基于个人经历的感受的能力——就像我们提到的，不同主持人之间的纽带，对吧？即使是与前同事保持的联系，这些可能才是更能引起听众共鸣、让我们区别于机器的东西。对吧？是的。

Perhaps, it's our ability to create emotional connections and share feelings rooted in our personal experiences just what we mentioned, the connection between different hosts, right, even though there are former colleagues who still have connections with them, these might be the things that resonate more deeply with our audience or listeners and set us apart from these machines. Right? Yeah.

是啊。在许多不同行业，人们都对AI将带来的积极或消极影响感到恐慌。在媒体领域，目前仍有许多未解之谜。但有一点是确定的：现有技术中有很多真的很酷。

Yeah. Yeah. In a lot of different industries, people are freaked out about what impact positively or negatively AI is going to have. And in the media, there's a lot of unanswered questions as of yet. But one thing is for sure, a lot of the tech out there is really cool.

正如Yushin所说，如何将其融入我们的工作，是我们当前正在探索的。不过Patty做得很好，能紧跟这个趋势。我觉得那是个相当新的产品。

Trying to figure out, like Yushin said, how to figure out how to incorporate it into what we do is something that we're working on right now. Well done though, Patty, for for being on top of that. A that's a pretty pretty new product, I think.

没错。Patty，你刚刚触发了He Young内心最深的恐惧，我就不多评论了。非常感谢你的来信和语音留言。我们还有另一位听众Bella的音频片段。

Yes. And Patty, you've just evoked some deepest fear in He Young, and I'll comment no more. And thank you so much for writing in and for sending in your voice memo. And we have another audio clip from our listener, Bella.

大家好。何杨、菲菲、雨顺、拉明、史蒂夫，以及圆桌论坛的所有主持人们，你们好。我是来自青岛的Vala，能以这种方式与你们交流真的很开心。实际上，我收听这个节目已有多年，是圆桌论坛的超级粉丝。毕业后我在一家外贸公司工作，担任外贸销售员。

Hello, everyone. Hello, He Young, Fei Fei, Yushun, Lamin, Steve, and all the hosts from Roundtable. This is Vala from Qingdao and it's really happy to talk with you in this way. Actually, I have been listening to this show for many years and I am a really super big fan of Roundtable. After graduation, I have worked in a foreign trade company, and my job is as a foreign trade salesman.

我经常需要使用英语。这种情况下，我每天都会在业余时间练习英语。这里我想分享另一个有趣的事：之前有人告诉我，要想说好英语，最好找一个英语口语很棒的人模仿她的发音。而我发现何杨——不得不说何杨的嗓音太惊艳了，我特别喜欢你的声音和语调。

I have to use this language, I'm English, very often. In this situation, I practice my English in my spare time every day. And here, I would like to share another interesting thing is that previously someone told me that if you want to speak English well, you'd better pick up a person who is very good at speaking English, and you can mimic her voice. And here, I found that girl, He I have to say He Yang's voice is so amazing. I really like your voice and the intonation.

说实话，你是我英语学习道路上非常好的榜样。我必须承认我是个追求完美的人，包括英语水平。所以当我听到自己发音不够好时，有时会感到沮丧，总担心客户会因为我的口音感到不适，或不能完全理解我的意思。你们对我的这些顾虑有什么建议吗？非常感谢，祝所有出色的你们一切顺利。

You are a very good role model for me about my English learning process, to be honest. And I have to admit that I'm a person who wants to be perfect all the time, including my English level. So I'm sometimes feel frustrated when I hear my voice not very good, and I'm always afraid that my customers will feel uncomfortable for my accent, and they can understand well what I mean. So do you guys have any suggestions about my concerns? Thank you so much and best wishes to all of you amazing people.

你好啊，了不起的人。青岛的Bella。天哪，你让我脸红了，我现在脸红得就像那件红色开衫——

Hello, amazing people. Person, Bella from Qingdao. And gosh, you just turned me red. I'm now my face is as red as the red cardigan

我正穿着的那件。

I'm wearing.

卢西恩，我很好奇为什么这条留言今天被选上节目了。

Lucian, I wonder why that one got selected for the show today.

是啊，为什么克莱·杨今天会上节目？巧合吗？

Yeah. Why is Klay Young on the show today? Coincidence?

是的，我们能看到。

Yeah. We can see.

嗯，我真的很感谢你的善意之言，这对我意义重大。我只是像其他人一样在学习成长。但如果我的经历能引起你的共鸣，贝拉，那是我非常感激的事。天啊，我理解你的意思。你的英语说得太好了。

Well, I really appreciate your kind words, and it really means a lot to me. I'm just learning and growing like everybody else. But if my experience resonates with you, Bella, that's something I'm really grateful for. And gosh, I hear you. Your English is so good.

是的。贝拉，我想对你说的是：我是加拿大人，在亚洲生活了很久。在韩国居住时，我有多年聆听韩国人将英语作为第二语言的经验，也逐渐适应了那种发音特点。但来到中国对我来说是新体验，我对中国人将英语作为第二、第三甚至第四语言的情况还不太熟悉。

Yeah. Here's what I want to say to you, Bella. So I'm Canadian and I've lived in Asia for a long time. When I lived in Korea, I got many years of experience of listening to Korean people speak English as a second language, and I got to adjust to what that sounds like. In my life, I'm new to China, and I don't have a lot of experience with Chinese people speaking English as a second or third or fourth language.

我们大家都是这样的人。

What We all are these people.

但我想说的是，如果口音比较重，我还在适应阶段——这种发音特点是什么样子的？

But what I'm trying to say is, if the accent is quite strong, then I'm I'm still adjusting to, okay. What does this sound like?

没错。

Yeah.

贝拉，和你交流时，我完全不需要任何适应过程。贝拉，如果我是你的加拿大海外客户，我不会有任何理解障碍。所以你心中的那份担忧，贝拉，你可以彻底放下了。完全不存在这个问题。

Bella, with you, I don't need any practice to adjust to anything. Bella, if I was your overseas Canadian client, I would have no problem, no issue. So that worry or concern that you might have, Bella, you can, say goodbye to that worry or concern. There's no issue there.

绝对没错。把它冲进马桶里吧，贝拉。我不知道你从哪得来这个错误的想法。你的声音听起来很棒。我不得不再次强调，因为我听到的就是这样。

Absolutely. Wash it down the toilet, Bella. I don't know where you got that wrongful idea. You're you sound so good. Again, I have to say that because that's what I hear.

而且你的声音温暖清晰，正如大家已经证明的那样，你的英语非常出色。你的发音、语调和流利程度都达到了人们所能想象的最佳水平，你能够非常非常清晰地传达你的想法。我确信你的外国同事或客户不仅能完全理解你，而且很享受与你的交流。

And also your voice is warm and clear and as they've already proved that, your English is excellent. Your pronunciation and tone and fluency are all as as good as people could imagine and they can and you convey it or your thoughts very, very clearly. And I am confident that your foreign colleagues or customers not only understand you perfectly, but also enjoy communicating with you.

是的。我想，这里还有一点可能会让你感觉好一些。通常，只是我们自己脑子里觉得没人能听懂我们的话，但实际上人们往往比我们想象的更能理解我们。我现在正在慢慢学习中文，这也是我最大的担忧之一，因为中文是一门非常非常难的语言，发音和声调变化尤其困难。我曾以为没人能听懂我说的任何话。

Yeah. And I I think, you know, here's another point that might make you feel better. Usually, it's in our own brain where we think nobody can understand us, but oftentimes people can understand us more than we think. I'm learning how to speak Chinese now very slowly, and that was one of my big concerns too, is that Chinese is a very, very difficult language, and the pronunciation with the tones, the different tones is very difficult. I thought nobody is gonna understand anything that I have to say.

但我发现，即使我的发音有点不准，人们还是能明白我在说什么。嗯。所以贝拉，你不需要说得像英语母语者一样。这没必要。

But what I've learned is even though my pronunciation is off a little bit, people can still pick up what I'm saying. Mhmm. So Bella, don't need to speak like a native English speaker. It's not necessary.

嗯。还有，虽然我并不认识你本人，贝拉，但从你的邮件和音频片段中，我感觉我有点了解你了。我觉得我们往往是自己最严厉的批评者，因为我们可能是那种追求完美的人。但这有时会阻碍我们前进。就像伟大的布芮尼·布朗所说，完美主义不是通往成功的道路。

Mhmm. And also, I don't know you personally, Bella, but just from your email and your audio clip, I feel I kinda know you. And I just feel like we are often our own worst critics because we might be the kind of people who strive for perfection. But that can sometimes hold us back. And as the great Brene Brown said, perfectionism is not the path to success.

它是通往精疲力竭的快车道。我吃过苦头才明白这一点，所以真的很想和你分享：重要的是拥抱进步，而非完美。与其追求毫无瑕疵，不如专注于成长，相信进步能带你走得更远。继续加油吧，姑娘，你已经做得很棒了。

It's the fast track to burnout. And I've learned it the hard way and that's why I really want to share this with you. It's about embracing progress, not perfection. Instead of aiming for flawless, focus on growth and trust that progress will take you further than perfection ever could. So keep on going, girl, and you are doing amazing.

是啊。完美主义其实是一种不安全感，不是吗？

Yeah. Perfectionism is an insecurity, isn't it?

可不是吗？没错。我们非常期待听到您的反馈，珍视您的想法。如果您喜欢我们的内容，或有任何问题、希望我们回应的观点、或是想让我们深入探讨的话题，请随时联系我们。

Isn't it just? Yeah. And we love hearing from you. We appreciate your thoughts. If you enjoyed what you heard and you have a question or something you like us to respond to, a a discussion you like us to dive into, don't hesitate to reach out.

只需发送邮件或语音备忘录至roundtablepodcast@qq.com。我们迫不及待想听到您的声音。接下来，中国最新推出的签证豁免政策让入境旅游变得前所未有的便捷。我们将深入探讨为何您该认真考虑收拾行囊开启这场史诗级旅程。别走开。

Just shoot us an email or voice memo at roundtablepodcast@qq.com. We can't wait to hear from you. Coming up next, China just made it way easier to visit with its new visa waiver policies. We're diving into why you should seriously consider packing your bags for this epic adventure. Stay tuned.

渴望激情？想体验激烈辩论？希望从多元视角了解中国时事？请锁定《圆桌派》，在这里东西方相遇，理解成为共同目标。

Looking for passion? How about fiery debate? Wanna hear about current events in China from different perspectives? Then tune in to Roundtable, where east meets west, and understanding is the goal.

您正在收听的是《圆桌派》，我是主持人何阳，本期与史蒂夫·哈瑟利、雨顺共同录制。中国入境旅游产业正迎来前所未有的机遇热潮。新签证豁免政策让国际游客更便捷探索中国，导游和旅行社正迅速跟进以满足激增需求。后疫情时代中国旅游业蓬勃发展，行业格局正快速演变。

You're listening to Roundtable with myself, He Young. I'm joined by Steve Hatherley and Yushun in the studio. China's inbound tourism industry is booming with opportunities hotter than ever before. New visa waiving policies have made it easier for international tourists to explore the country, while tour guides and travel agencies are quickly jumping on the bandwagon to meet growing demand. As China's tourism sector thrives in the post pandemic world, the landscape is rapidly changing.

现在正是把握时机，探索中国入境旅游热潮的绝佳时刻。那么数据说明了什么？

Now's the perfect time to jump in and explore the exciting boom in China's inbound tourism. So what did the numbers say?

根据《中国旅游报》数据，2024年中国接待入境游客近9500万人次，预计恢复至疫情前水平的90%以上。2024年1至11月，全国各口岸入境外国人达2900万人次，同比增长86%。其中通过免签政策入境者达1700万人次，同比激增123%。72-144小时过境免签政策下的入境外国人数量同比也增长约133%。

So we can see according to data from China Tourism News, China welcomed nearly 95,000,000 inbound tourists in the 2024, which is expected to reach over 90% of pre pandemic levels. From January to November 2024, the number of foreign entrants at various ports of entry across the country reached 29,000,000. That is a year on year increase of 86%. And also among them, 17,000,000 entered China through the visa exemption policy making a year on year growth of 123%. The number of foreigners entering China under the seventy two to one hundred forty four hour visa free transit policy increased by about also 133% compared to the previous year.

嗯。确实。适用入境口岸这点很关键。你刚才提到了对吧？

Mhmm. Yeah. And applicable ports of entry is a big deal here. You mentioned that. Right?

符合240小时（即十天）免签政策的入境口岸数量大幅增加。新增了21个国际机场，使符合条件的机场总数从39个增至60个。

The number of port points of entry eligible for the two hundred and forty hour visa exemption, that's that's ten days. Right? Mhmm. That significantly increased as well. There were 21 international airports that were added, bringing the number of eligible airports from 39 to 60.

这意义重大，因为它为入境者提供了更多起点选择。想象国家是游戏地图，你可以直接降落在某个区域探索周边，而不必先飞抵北京再坐六七小时高铁南下——这极大提升了便利性。

And it's a big deal because it just offers more opportunities, more kickoff or starting off points for people when they come into the country, and it also allows you know, if you think of the country as a map in a video game, if you will, then you get to start at one particular spot, and you can explore that area all around there instead of having to fly into Beijing first and then take the high speed train for six or seven hours if you wanna go somewhere down south. It just it just makes it so much more convenient.

确实！而且我们看到更多国家公民享受免签政策。无需签证就能空降他国直接旅行，如此轻松自在，太棒了。

Oh, yes. And also, we're seeing that, you know, more countries of citizens are enjoying the visa wavering policy. And without a visa and be able to parachute to another country and just start traveling. Oh, that's so much ease and sounds so great.

没错。54个国家——包括俄罗斯、巴西、美国、英国、加拿大等——的公民在前往第三国或地区中转时，可免签入境中国。这同样是重大突破。

Yeah. 54, 54 countries, citizens from 54 countries, including Russia and Brazil and The U US, The UK, Canada. Woo hoo. Now allowed to enter China without a visa when transitioning to a third country or region. This is a big deal too.

符合条件者可通过24个省市的60个口岸入境，在指定区域内停留最长240小时（十天）。期间可旅游观光、商务洽谈、探亲访友——完全自主选择。

So people who are doing that can enter through any of the 60 ports available across 24 provinces and municipalities, and they can stay for up to that two hundred and forty hours, those ten days within specified areas. And then when they're here, you know, you can do things like touristy things or business if you're here for business. Mhmm. You can be visiting friends or family. The choice is yours.

此外，政策适用范围已从19城扩展至24省/市，新增山西、安徽、江西、海南和贵州等省份。免签旅客活动区域扩大至全省范围，流动性显著提升——正如Steve所说，地图变大了。

Mhmm. And also with this policy on the applicable cities or or the activity zones has also expanded from 19 to 24 in the newly included provinces as, say, Shanxi, Anhui, Jiangxi, Hainan, and Guizhou. The designated activity zone are expanded to these various cities to or entire provinces, and that that's allowing greater mobility for exempted travelers within these regions because, formerly, they can only go to the certain areas and now it expanded. As Steve said, the map is bigger.

正是如此。顺便说个新闻——韩国民众对此政策反响极其热烈。

Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Did you know that in and by the way, this is in the news that Koreans are loving this. People from Korea are all about this.

韩国社交媒体上甚至出现了一个热搜话题。它当时很火。这个标签是‘周五下班后去中国’。哦，没错。

There's even a hashtag in Korea on on social media. It was trending. The hashtag leaving work on Friday to go to China. Oh. Yeah.

人们真的很期待把这里当作周末度假胜地。我还读到，因此，可用的导游变得更受欢迎。可能是那些会说足够韩语的中国导游可以提供旅游服务。但我也读到，一些导游甚至免费提供服务，因为他们想有机会练习韩语能力。其中一位导游说了类似的话，这是一个创造新友谊的绝佳机会，对吧，建立新的联系。

People were really looking forward to coming here as a kind of a weekend getaway. And I was reading as well that as a result of that, tour guides that are available were becoming more popular. Chinese tour guides perhaps who can speak Korean enough to offer tours. But also I read that some tour guides were even offering their services for free because they wanted a chance to practice their Korean language abilities. And one of the tour guides said something along the lines of, it's just a wonderful opportunity to create new friendships, right, and create new bonds.

我们谈到了演播室里人们的联系，但游客和导游之间的联系也是如此。我读到一位韩国游客，一位年轻女性的引述，她说当地图更大时，它让你有机会更多地了解中国美妙的文化和美食。那位特别的游客去了中国的远东或远西，抱歉，因为那里有一道名菜。她专门来中国是为了那道蜗牛面。嗯。

We talked about bonds of people here in the studio, but bonds between travelers and tour guides as well. And I was reading a quote from a Korean traveler, a young woman, and she was saying that when the map is bigger, then it gives you an opportunity to learn so much more about China's wonderful culture and wonderful foods. That particular travel traveler traveled to the East far far East or Far West, excuse me, of China because there was a famous dish there. And she came to China specifically for it was a noodles and snail dish. Mhmm.

她专门为此而来。

And she came here specifically because of that.

哇。需要慢慢适应的口味。

Wow. Acquired taste.

因为有一道韩国菜非常相似，她的观点是，探索差异很酷，但探索两种文化之间的相似之处也很有趣。

Because there's a Korean dish that's quite similar, and that was her point is that, you know, you know, exploring the differences is is cool, but exploring the similarities between the two cultures is fun too.

我我看了很多网上的视频，甚至在一些西方媒体上。当我浏览Instagram时，经常看到外国人访问中国并对许多旅游景点感到惊讶的视频，你知道。例如，当他们探索中国西南城市重庆的夜晚时，他们发现那里的霓虹灯让它看起来像一座未来主义的城市。

I I've been watching a lot of videos online and even in some western media. As I was going through Instagram, I often come across videos of foreigners visiting China and being amazed by a lot a lot of these tourist attractions, you know. For example, when they explore the nights in Chongqing, which is a Southwest city in China, they they find the neon lights there, make it look like a futuristic city.

嗯哼。

Uh-huh.

人们都惊叹不已。哇，原来中国是这样的。是的。还有张家界，那也是中国南部的湖南省。

And people were just amazed. Wow. That's how China looked like. Yeah. And also in Zhangjiajie, that is also a southern part of China in Hunan province.

你知道，那些高耸入云的山峰和直通山顶的无数台阶，让他们感到敬畏。而所有的评论，或者说不是全部，大多数评论都在说，哦，这与我印象中的中国截然不同。

You know, the towering mountains and countless stairs leading straight up to the peaks, leave them in awe. And that all of the comment or not all of. Most of the comments are just saying that, oh, that is different from my perception to tie in China.

没错。

And Right.

只有当你真正到访中国时，才能体验到这些。

That is only that is something that you can only experience when you actually visit China.

是的。我觉得这对世界上许多地方来说都是如此，不是吗？当我们去某个地方旅行时，我们可能对那里有一些先入为主的观念，无论是好的还是坏的。但一旦我们到达某个地方，开始与人交谈、结识当地人、享受当地文化和美食，我们之前的所有误解都会突然消失。这就是为什么我认为，当我们有机会时，应该去那些我们不了解的地方旅行，这样我们才能意识到我们都是共享同一颗星球的人类。

Yeah. I I just think that's so true for many places around the world, isn't it? When we travel somewhere, we have these perhaps preconceived notions of what it's going to be like, the good things or the bad things or whatever. But once we arrive somewhere and we start talking to people, meeting people, enjoying local culture and enjoying local food, all of those misconceptions that we had suddenly disappear, which is why it's important, in my opinion, that we do, when we have the opportunity, travel to places that are unknown to us so that we can realize that we're all people sharing the same planet.

是的。这个观点太棒了。而且，只有当你真正来到中国，你才能感受到它的广袤与多元。

Yeah. That's such a great point. And also, only when you have arrived in China would you have a feel of the enormity and diversity.

我已经在这里了，但还是无法完全理解

I'm here and I still can't wrap my brain around

是啊，就是

it Yeah. Just

它太大了。

It's so big.

每个省份都有众多城镇，各具特色的地标景点，即便是本地居民也有许多未知之处。所以对国际旅行者而言，这里绝不会让人失望，总能发现新鲜刺激的事物。实际上，我查阅了一些导游和旅行社的报告，他们列出了当前面临的挑战，并希望改进服务以迎合国际游客需求。我可以分享几个他们遇到的难题。

And each provinces have so many cities and towns with very different signature places that even as a local resident, there's so much I don't know. So I think for an international traveler, you will not be disappointed. There's always gonna be something that you can find exciting and new. And actually, I was looking at some of the reports from the tour guides as well as agencies and they have listed some of the issues or challenges that they're facing and they really want to improve to cater towards the international clientele of tourists. I can give you a few of these difficulties that they encounter.

首先是网络生活问题，正如我们今天第一个话题讨论的，来到新国家需要适应新的应用程序体系，如何克服语言障碍并熟练使用。其次，旅行社反映他们在营销推广方面存在不足，游客难以找到合适的导游或旅行社。你们刚才都提到了语言专属导游的问题——随着国际游客激增，要注意过去几年间，部分英语导游可能因国际旅游低迷而转行。现在突然面临专业语言导游人才短缺的局面。您认为中国的旅游从业者该如何提升行业活力，同时在这个领域谋得发展？

Number one is, well, I mean, so much of our lives lives on the internet these days, as we've discussed in today's topic one, And a new country, a new set of apps, how to manage the language and use it well. Also, they say that it's they lack promote well, marketing of their agencies for the tourists to really find the right tour guide or agency, that And kind of also, you both mentioned language specific tour guides. And now, suddenly, when there's a lot more of international travelers coming to the city and bear in mind, some of the, let's say, English tour guides might have decided to switch paths and do something else in the last few years when international travel wasn't so big. So now, all of a sudden, it's like, Oh, shortage of specialists, linguist specialists who can be tour guides. So how do you see with the Chinese agencies, you know, people, practitioners in the business and trying to trying to give the industry a boost and also find their living in in this whole thing?

你是说他们该如何巩固自身优势？

You mean what can they do to kind of strengthen their position?

对，或者说他们正在采取哪些措施来更好地服务国际游客？

Yeah. Or where what are they trying to better cater towards the international tour Yeah. People?

我认为，当游客来到中国——我们可以用任何国家举例——我的意思是，初到一个陌生国度时，游客通常对当地一无所知。对吧？嗯。因此，全面、综合的服务，比如包含交通、导游、行程规划以及餐饮安排的套餐，能为许多人消除旅行中的压力。

I I think, you know, when tourists come into China and we could use any country as an example. I I mean, when you go into a new country, oftentimes tourists don't know anything at all. Right? Mhmm. So therefore, comprehension, comprehensive services, I think I think packages that include transportation and guides and itineraries and having meals planned out, that can take the stress out of traveling for a lot of people.

对某些人来说，未知本身就是乐趣；但对另一些人而言，他们更喜欢事先规划好的行程。所以综合性套餐或许能……

For some people, that's really fun, not knowing anything, but for other people, you know, they prefer to have things planned. So maybe comprehensive packages would

没错。同时要理解外国消费者的偏好，有些对中国民众稀松平常的事物，对外国游客而言可能格外新奇有趣。

Yeah. And also understand foreign consumers' preferences, maybe something that is so ordinary to Chinese people, but that could be so unique and interesting to foreign consumers.

是的。有个故事说，国际游客其实很乐意看老人家下象棋，而且……

Yeah. There's one story about, apparently, international travelers don't mind just watching some old folks playing chess, and

那很有趣。

that's fun.

对，在公园里。是吧？

Yeah. In the park. Right?

今天的圆桌讨论就到这里。谢谢史蒂夫和雨顺，我是何阳，我们下次见。

That's it for today's roundtable. Thank you, Steve and Yushun. I'm He Young. We'll see you next time.