男性化妆时代已到来

讨论让世界运转不息。

Discussion keeps the world turning.

这里是圆桌论坛。您正在收听的是圆桌论坛节目。我是今天的主持人Steve，与玉珊和雨顺一起。接下来我们将探讨：肥皂正被精华液、防晒霜甚至化妆品取代。男性护肤市场正经历巨变，今年消费额呈现爆发式增长。

This is Roundtable. You're tuned in to Roundtable. I'm Steve today with Yushan and Yushun. Coming up, the bar of soap is being replaced by serums and sunscreen and even makeup. Men's grooming is undergoing a seismic shift with spending skyrocketing this year.

这一变革背后有何原因？传统品牌如何应对挑战？男性气质的面貌正在发生字面意义上的改变。之后，若您的周一需要些动力，请继续收听——‘励志星期一’环节即将开始。苹果播客用户可在Roundtable China频道找到我们。

What is behind that change, and how are legacy brands being challenged? The face of masculinity is changing, literally. After that, if your Monday needs a little motivating, stay with us. Motivational Monday is on the way. Our podcast listeners can find us at Roundtable China on Apple Podcasts.

别忘了，我们期待听到您的声音，请将语音留言发送至Roundtablepodcast@qq.com。再次重复：Roundtablepodcast@qq.com。过去——我想我自己也曾如此——男性化妆品可能仅意味着一瓶洗发水。那时，拥有护肤流程会被认为不够阳刚。

And don't forget, we love hearing your voice, so send your voice notes to us. Roundtablepodcast@qq.com. Once again, Roundtablepodcast@qq.com. And now, in the past, and I think this was perhaps true for me as well, men's cosmetic products might have meant nothing more than a bottle of shampoo. In the past, it wouldn't have been considered manly to have a skin care routine.

时代已然改变。如今男性日常用品清单正不断延长：从控油洁面到抗老精华——雨顺你知道这些吗？我想是的——从防晒霜到调色面霜。

Oh, times have changed. Today, the list of daily products for men is getting much longer from oil control cleansers to antiaging serums. Do you know what those are, Yushin? I think so. From sunscreen to tone up creams.

我连调色面霜是什么都不清楚，尽管我也有护肤流程。但现在连腮红、散粉都开始进入部分男性的日常护理。最新数据显示，男性护肤化妆品消费呈现惊人增长，护发和美妆品类同比大幅攀升。这究竟是怎么回事？

I don't even know what a tone up cream is, and I have a kind of skincare routine. But even blush, even powder now, they've started becoming a part of some men's everyday routines. The data recently has shown that spending in men's skincare and cosmetics, it's shown monumental growth. Categories like hair care and makeup products posting huge year on year gains. So what is going on?

为何变革发生在当下？传统男性护理品牌如何应对新兴竞争者的挑战？我们将全面探讨。男性美容行业究竟发生了哪些变化？

Why is the change happening now? And I wonder how the traditional male grooming brands are being challenged by the new players. We'll talk about it all. But what has been changing in the men's beauty industry?

一个重大变化在于人们对男性化妆的看法或态度，从过去到现在已经发生了转变。因为在2015年，也就是大约十年前，中国微博上的一项调查显示，只有29%的受访者坚决支持男性使用化妆品，但有31%的人坚决反对。

One major change is on how people look at or people's attitude towards men's makeup and from the past to what it has been has been nowadays. Because back in 2015, I think that's over a decade ago, about a decade ago, a survey on Weibo here in China revealed that only 29% of respondents firmly supported men to use cosmetics, but 31% firmly opposed that.

那是十年前的事了。

That was ten years ago.

确实十年前。再看看近年数据，2018年另一项调查中，60%的受访者坚决支持男性使用化妆品，而坚决反对的比例已降至不足10%。

That's ten years ago. And let's look at, in recent years, in 2018, 60% of, people who answered another survey firmly supported men to use cosmetics, and lean less than 10% firmly opposed that.

三年间变化真不小啊。

That was quite the change in three years. I

对吧？举个可爱的例子，我现在约会两年多的男朋友经常给我护肤建议。说实话，他看起来就像那种你最想不到会咨询护肤建议的人——满脸胡须像冰球运动员，露出的皮肤面积小得可怜。但不知怎的，这竟成了新趋势。

know, right? Because, well, one cute example would be I nowadays get a lot of skincare advice from my boyfriend two years after dating him. And I'm telling you, this guy, he's the last person you wanna seemingly to consult skincare or makeup or, like, color tone advice from because he looks like a classic what do you call it? Like, a hockey player with full facial hair coverage and very small part of skin left for that level of professional knowledge for skincare. But somehow, that's becoming the trend.

如今男性正在学习更多护肤知识，变得比编辑还专业，还向各类人群提供建议。这也影响了男士美容行业。据领先研究院数据显示，2024年中国男士护肤市场规模约达170亿元人民币（24亿美元），同比增长17%。预计到2029年，该市场将以11%的年复合增长率增长至292亿元人民币（约40亿美元）。

Now men, they're learning more about skincare, becoming more professional lies to edit, and just giving tips all to to all different groups of people. Also, there has been a change that's impacting the men's beauty industry as well. Data from lead Liu Research Institute revealed that the men's skin care market here in China reached approximately 17,000,000,000 yuan or 2,400,000,000.0 US dollars in 2024, and that's up 17% year on year. By 2029, this is an estimation that the market is expected to grow to 29,200,000,000.0 yuan or roughly 4,000,000,000 US dollars with a compound annual growth rate of 11%.

是啊，没理由认为明年或后年增速会放缓。

Yeah. No no reason to think that it would slow down next year or the year after that.

嗯。

Mhmm.

有哪些不同的产品类别？我很好奇想知道。

What are the different product categories? I'm I'm curious to know.

许多这些行业或类别都呈现上升趋势，来自电商平台的信息，包括淘宝的天猫、京东，还有拼多多和抖音，这些平台显示2025年1月至8月期间，四大男士美容品类分别是面部护理、头发护理、身体护理以及彩妆。

A lot of these industries or categories are showing trends of going up, And some information from the ecommerce platforms, including Tmall from Taobao and jd.com, and also Pinduoduo and Douyin, these platforms are showing that from January to August 2025, four major men's beauty categories, and they are facial care, hair care, body care, and also color cosmetics.

太棒了。

Awesome.

彩妆是什么意思？

What what is color cosmetics mean?

中文里就是指涂抹漂亮的彩色眼影或腮红，

As in Chinese as in putting on beautiful color eyeshadow or blushes,

类似这样的东西

stuff like So

这些类别。总交易额超过60亿元人民币或8.42亿美元，销售量超过1.08亿件。真不错。分别增长了超过1033%。

these categories Okay. Achieved a total transaction value of more than 6,000,000,000 yuan or more than 842,000,000 US dollars and a sales volume of more than 108,000,000 units. Lovely. That's over 1033% respectively.

是的。护发产品今年1月至8月的销售额飙升了100%。男士化妆品的交易额相对较小，为2.69亿元人民币。这个数字虽然不小，但仍被认为较小。其交易额同比增长了55%，销售量增长了108%。

Yeah. The hair care products, they surged they surged by a 100% from January to August in terms of sales this year. The the transaction value of men's makeup, it's still relatively small at 269,000,000 yuan. It's a big number, but it's still considered small. It still can recorded year on year growth of 55% in the in its transaction value and a 108% in its sales volume.

所以整体销售数量可能不那么令人印象深刻，但百分比的增长证明了，是的，男性开始关注护发了。

So the number overall of sales, maybe not that impressive, but the the percentage increase is proof that, yeah, men are getting into taking care of their hair.

这已经是一个很大的变化了。

It's a big change already.

是的。我是说，仅仅十年内。对吧？当时的调查结果显示，不，不应该。

Yeah. It's a I mean, within just ten years. Right? I mean, survey results at that time said, no. No.

男性不应该做这类事情来护理皮肤和头发。所以这也是一种文化转变。这是增长背后的原因之一吗？我认为社交媒体与此有很大关系。

Men should not be doing these types of things to Mhmm. Take care of their skin and and take care of their hair. You know, so it's kind of a cultural shift as well. And would that be one of the reasons behind the growth? I'm thinking that social media would have a lot to do with this.

我...我也是这么想的。

I I think so.

确实如此。传统硬汉形象正在改变或转变，男性越来越追求精致、清爽甚至年轻化的外表，这种改变不仅来自男性自身，也可能来自他们的伴侣。伴侣们也在敦促他们改变那种认为毛发浓密或邋遢外表才显男子气概的观念。

Definitely. Definitely. You know, the traditional kind of tough guy image is changing or shifting as men increasingly pursue a kind of refined, clean, and maybe youthful, appearance, and not only from men themselves, from maybe their partners. They are also urging them to get a get a change or change that kind of mindset of, not like that hairy or the the dirty look. It's perceived as manly.

也许不是毛发或脏兮兮...什么是邋遢造型？我甚至不知道那是什么。

Maybe not the hairy or dirt what's the dirty look? I don't even know what that is.

我...我想是指手上的污垢？

I I think Dirt on a hand?

嗯，我认为这只是男子气概的概念问题。对吧？这个市场过去几十年的广告只针对女性

Well, I think it's just the concept of masculinity. Right. Right? This is a market where advertising has been targeting women only

是啊。

Yeah.

而现在不再只针对女性了。随便打开哪个频道，都能看到大量男士护肤、护发广告，你会发现网上也有男性在传播这种观念。

For decades, and now it's not anymore targeting only women. There's just turn on any channel anywhere, and you'll see tons of advertisements for men's skincare, men's haircare, and you you find that, but you also find men online who are sharing that message.

没错。

Yeah.

是的，这是我的护肤流程。作为一个男性，虽然不能代表所有男性，但我认为当男性看到其他男性在做某件事时，会激励他们也去尝试。让我换个说法，这会让他们觉得自己这样做也没问题。

Yeah. This is my skincare routine. And as a man, what I think for men I can't speak for all men, of course, but I think when men see other men doing something, it encourages them to do it as well. Let me rephrase. It makes them feel okay with doing it themselves.

我的意思是，也许过去有些男性会想：'我真希望自己能用上爽肤水和精华液之类的护肤品'，但身边没人这么做，怕被朋友嘲笑。但当媒体上出现相关代表时...嗯...男性就会觉得：'好吧，这很酷'。

What I mean is this, maybe in the past, who knows, there were a bunch of dudes out there who were like, man, I really wish I had a toner and a nice serum for my skin or something like that, but none of my friends are doing this, and I know they're gonna make fun of me. But when there's representation in the media Mhmm. Then men say, yeah. Okay. Cool.

现在我知道关心这些也没关系了。

Now I know it's okay for me to care about this stuff too.

是的，我特别高兴看到如今这种包容性覆盖了两种性别。年轻一代正在打破'使用护肤品或化妆品会削弱男子气概'的传统禁忌。他们尝试探索这个市场，这也是推动市场走向更开放社会规范的原因之一——现在男性使用这些产品已被接受。国内外都有许多奢侈或平价品牌证明，男性护肤和彩妆产品正通过线下销售和线上社交媒体影响触达更多人群。

Yeah. And I think I'm really happy about how this inclusiveness is covering both genders nowadays. And younger let's say, generation, they're breaking the taboo of how it's believed in the old days of using skincare or makeup. It's a symbol of less masculinity, but they're trying to explore and navigate more into this market, which is also, I think, part of the reason why the market is being led towards a more opened up social norm nowadays that it's okay for men to use it too and they're also quite a bit of luxurious or not, very convenient brands in China or or abroad that's proving that, yeah, it's very accessible in men's makeup, men's skincare. It's reaching out to more people whether it's through offline sales or online social media influences and impacts.

越来越多的男性博主通过教授男女护肤技巧来建立自己的影响力。

There are more and more male bloggers teaching people, teaching male and female how to do their skincare as a way of building their own influence.

百分之百同意。而且这是全球性的趋势。Grand View Research预测2022至2030年间护肤品年增长率约为9%。中国如此，世界其他地区亦然。

100%. And and it's happening internationally as well. Grand View Grand View Research, they project the annual growth rate of about 9% or so from 2022 to 2030 for, skincare products. So it's happening in China. It's happening in other parts of the world as well.

我认为背后的原因可能有很多。我说过现在男性觉得护肤很正常。男子气概的定义已经与过去大不相同。如今有专门针对男性的产品，男性也意识到了这点。记得很久以前我们在节目里讨论过那种全能型...

I think the reasons behind it perhaps are many. I I said that maybe men feel like it's okay now. I think the definition of masculinity is a little bit different than what it used to be, if not a lot different. But now there are products that are targeted toward men, and men know that. Remember a long time ago on the show we talked about the all in one

哦，是的。

Oh, yeah.

所有的洗发水、护发素和沐浴露这些东西。

The all the shampoo Shampoo. Conditioner body wash thing.

这不是体育界长期以来的现象吗？

Hasn't that been a sports thing for a long time?

是的。但当时的重点是，如果你在寻找最好的护发产品，可能不应该使用那些。但今天的重点不同了。这类产品，这些自我护理、护肤、护发的东西现在正被某些公司专门针对男性推出。所以从公司角度来说，传统的男性护理品牌正受到这些新玩家的挑战，我想知道他们如何应对。

Yeah. But it was the well, the point at that time was you probably shouldn't be using that if that if you're looking for, you know, the best hair care products. But the point here is the point today is a different one. These types of products, these types of self care, skin care, hair care things are now being directed toward men and men alone with with certain companies. So then the from speaking of companies, from the traditional, I guess, male grooming brands, they're being challenged by these new players in the game, and I'm wondering how they're dealing with that.

没错。至少在中国，值得注意的是，这个国家的男性美容市场正在经历巨大变化，表现为新旧玩家交替以及国内外品牌之间的激烈竞争。2025年前八个月的前20大品牌中，法国化妆品品牌欧莱雅和中国品牌Z（Zed）和曼可斯位列前三。同时，欧莱雅旗下的碧欧泉以及上海品牌Cans和GF（同样是上海品牌旗下的男性护肤品牌）进入了前六。这些品牌基本分为两大阵营，代表了中国男性美容市场的两股主要力量。

Yeah. At least here in China, it's really worth noting that here in this country, men's beauty market is undergoing dramatic change characterized by a shift between old and new players and intense competition between domestic and also international brands as well. So among the top 20 brands of the first eight month in 2025, the French cosmetic brand L'Oreal and Chinese brand z or as in zed, z and mancos ranked in the top three. Meanwhile, BioTherm, which is a brand under L'Oreal and also Shanghai based brand Cans and GF, which is also a men's skincare brand under Shanghai and under a Shanghai brand, enter the top six. So all of these brands are sort of in two main forces, the two sides of men's beauty market here in China.

一方是以欧莱雅为代表的成熟国际品牌，主要是全球各大品牌女性护肤线的延伸。另一方则是新兴的中国男性品牌势力，比如我之前提到的Zed，它们专为男性护理市场创立，并通过电商渠道迅速崛起。嗯，我不确定哪一方影响更大，毕竟我并不是它们的目标受众。那么，雨顺，你对当前市场竞争怎么看？

One side stands for the well established international brands represented by L'Oreal or mainly extending extensions from women's skincare lines of various brands from global side. And then there's another major competitor or major force that's that that are the emerging Chinese male force brands such as the Zed one I mentioned earlier, which were founded specifically for the men's grooming market and have risen rapidly through ecommerce channels nowadays. Mhmm. I'm not sure which one has a bigger impact as in I'm not really a target audience for for neither of them. So, Yushun, how what what will you think of this current market competition?

我绝对认为营销是这些公司最关注的方面之一。正如你所说，有些品牌原本并没有男性产品线，现在正在开发；而有些品牌则专门聚焦男性护肤产品。它们意识到这块市场尚未充分开发，潜力巨大，因此正通过开辟新渠道来争取更大的市场份额。

I would definitely say that marketing is one of the biggest thing that these companies are focusing on because some of these brands, as you said, some of them were not, like, originally having men's product line and then they're developing one, or some of the brands are just only focusing on men's skincare products. So they've realized that there is a huge market that haven't been developed, and it can be. It had it has a huge potential to be developed, and that is why these companies are opening up new channels to maybe get, another share of this market.

是的。既有面向男性的营销和产品，也有性别中性的产品线。以欧莱雅为例，其明星产品系列已展现出这种性别中性趋势，吸引了许多新的男性消费者。该品牌将继续在中国推出这类中性产品，当情侣一起购物时，这是吸引新客户的好方法。

Yeah. So there's the marketing towards men and the products towards men, but then there's the gen gender neutral lines as well. And L'Oreal, we can use that company as an example. Again, a lot of its star, products in their lineup, they already show this gender neutral trend, and that attracts a lot of new male buyers as well. And that brand is going to continue to launch such new products in China, the gender neutral products, which is a good way to attract new customers when couples are out shopping together.

嗯哼，对吧？你们可以一起看那些产品，在家一起使用。

Mhmm. Right? You can look at those products together. You can use them together at home.

这对我爸来说是个好消息，他总是用我妈剩下的护肤品。

That's a good news for my dad who always used the leftover of my mom, like the leftover skincare products.

是吗？他挺幸运的。我上高中时，我爸曾用洗碗液洗澡。有天我在浴室发现洗碗液，就问他：'你是在淋浴间洗碗吗？'他说：'不是'

Does he? Good for him because my dad, when I was in high school, he used the dish soap in the shower to wash his entire body. I found the dish soap in the shower one day, and I asked dad. I was like, did you do the dishes in the shower? He's like, no.

'那是我的肥皂'。我问：'你用洗碗液洗什么？'他说：'史蒂夫，我的理论是——既然它能洗干净我吃饭的盘子，那也足够清洁我的身体。'我回答：'我完全不同意，科学恐怕也不认同'

That's my soap. I was like, you use dish soap for your what? He's like, here's my theory, Steve. If it's good enough to clean the plate where I eat my food, it's good enough to clean my body. And I said, I don't agree with that at all, and I don't think science does either.

但现在我们看到很多男性正在学习护肤知识。我在韩国迷上了这个，因为K-Beauty对吧？我开始每周敷两三次面膜，尝试泥膜后才发现——哇兄弟，这些太棒了

But we're seeing a lot of education now with men learning about how to take care of their skin. I really got into it in Korea because k beauty, right? It's I got I got really into it, and I started I started doing masks, like, two, three times a week. I was doing mud masks, and then I learned about yeah. Oh, those are amazing, bro.

你从没敷过泥膜？从来没有？真的假的？

You've never done a mud mask before? Never. You've never done a mud mask? No. What?

真的吗？

Really?

只有像这样的片状面膜

Only sheet mask like the

哦，天哪。好吧，那么，我们开始吧。首先，你得去角质。

the Oh my goodness. Well, Alright. Well, let's get into it. Okay. So first, you have to exfoliate.

对吧？你需要一个去角质磨砂膏，就是里面有小颗粒的那种。嗯哼，你知道那是什么吗？

Right? You need like an exfoliant scrub. So that's like with the little sandy bits in it. Mhmm. You know what that is?

然后你用磨砂膏洗脸，它会去除脸上的死皮。之后用洁面乳洗脸，再涂上爽肤水来平衡面部的pH值。接着敷泥膜，它能清洁毛孔，让你的皮肤——你摸过婴儿的小屁股吗？敷完泥膜后，你的皮肤就是那种触感。

So you you scrub your face and it'll take like the dead skin off of your face. After that, put a night wash your face after that with your cleanser, then put a toner on which rebalances the pH levels in your, skin, in your face. Then you're going to do your mud mask, and that will, like, clean out your pores, and it just makes yours have you ever touched a baby's bum before? That's what your skin feels like after you do a mud mask.

你绝对应该开个新频道

You should definitely start a new channel

专门讲这个。我该在这里开个新节目。我在说什么呢

for that. I should start a new show here. What am I talking

各位，那是史蒂夫·科尔。

That's Steve Kour folks.

就像我说的，我对此非常非常着迷，我记得在节目中认真讨论过这件事，不开玩笑。我记得说过，你知道，这没什么好羞愧的。没什么好觉得奇怪的

Like I said, I got super super into it and I remember talking about it on air, jokes aside. I remember saying, you know, there's nothing to be ashamed of here. There's nothing to feel weird about

这里。二。

here. Two.

皮肤是你最大的器官。如果你在生活中会照顾肝脏、心脏和肺部，为什么不同样照顾你的皮肤呢？你的伴侣会因此更爱你。随着年龄增长你会看起来更年轻。这完全没有坏处。

Your skin is your largest organ. If you're doing things in your life to take care of your liver and your heart and your lungs, why wouldn't you do something to take care of your skin as well? And your partner's gonna love you for it. You're gonna look younger when you get older. There's no downside to this.

是的。虽然我觉得这可能有点上瘾。就品牌而言，我们看到他们在营销方式和产品推出方式上都有所发展。但如果男性刚开始接触这个，快速问一下，他们该如何入门？如果有男性听众今天在想，好吧。

Yeah. Although it can get a little bit addictive, I suppose. So in terms of brands, we're seeing some development in in how they're not only marketing to people, but also how they're putting their products out. But if men are starting are starting in this, how just quickly on this one, how do they get started? If there's a man out there listening today saying, okay.

但我该从哪里开始？答案是什么？

But where what do I do first? What's the answer to that?

首先真正了解自己的皮肤类型。你是油性皮肤，还是敏感肌——厚重面霜会导致刺激的那种？或者在特定天气下会极度干燥？你得先了解自己，了解你的皮肤，然后决定哪种产品最适合你。

Just really get to know your own skin first, which which skin type you fall into. Is it very oily, or is it sensitive in a in a sense that very heavy cream is going to create irritation on it? Or is it super dry during certain weather? You got to know yourself, know your skin first, then decide which product will suit you the best.

嗯。如果你不知道如何判断自己的肤质，这个问题我得留到护肤播客里讲，因为答案很长。直接上网搜索方法就能找到答案，宇新，你明白了吗？

Mhmm. And if you don't know how to get your skin type, well, I guess I'll have to save that for the skincare podcast because that's a long answer. Just go on the internet and search how to do that and you'll Are be able to find you into this, Yushin, at all?

我会尝试从今天开始执行我的护肤流程。

I will try and start doing my maybe skincare routine from today.

我得给你们每人准备一个泥膜，这是第一步。您现在收听的是《圆桌会议》，请继续关注，接下来是‘励志星期一’环节。

I gotta get get get get you all a mud mask. That's step number one, I think. You're listening to Roundtable. Stay with us. Motivational Monday is up next.

励志星期一。

Motivational Mondays.

励志星期一时刻到了，该由你开场了。

Motivational Motivational Monday time. You should kick us off.

你有没有注意到，很多时候我们感到疲惫，并不是因为正在做的事情特别困难，而是因为我们陷入了持续的犹豫状态——左右观望、权衡利弊、无法决断，在‘做与不做’、‘想要与不想要’之间反复拉扯。这种优柔寡断带来的精神消耗往往最令人精疲力尽。现代中国作家胡适曾说：‘怕什么真理无穷’。

So have you ever, like, noticed that many times when we feel exhausted, it's not because what we are doing particular is particularly difficult, but because we trap ourselves in a constant state of hesitation, like looking left and right, hesitating, weighing pros and cons, unable to decide, and we, like, go between to do or not to do, to want or not to want. Indecisiveness. Yeah. So this kind of mental fatigue actually caused by endless, this hesitation is often the most draining of all. And then I found the modern Chinese writer, Hu Shi, once said, why fear the truth is infinite.

进一寸有进一寸的欢喜。我们总担心当下做的决定可能不是最优解，但那又怎样？重要的是此刻的选择能带给你平静与快乐，所以现在就行动吧，未来自会在该来的时候到来。

Each step forward brings its own joy. So we often worry that decision we are making right now might not be the best one, but so what? Right? What matters is also that the choice you make today brings you peace and joy in this very moment, so just do it right now, and maybe the future will just come along when it when when when the time is here.

你知道这种情况对我来说什么时候最常见吗？就是当我试图决定要

You know when when this happened the most for me? When I'm trying to decide what

吃

to

什么的时候？

eat?

我本来想

I was gonna

说

say I

我就知道。对，我早料到了。我和我妻子经常这样。

knew it. Yeah. I knew it. My wife and I go through this all the time.

哎呀。

Aw.

光是决定想吃什么类型的食物就花了差不多半小时。

Spend like a half an hour just trying to decide what type of food we want.

但最终，经过这番头脑风暴后，你们选定了一种双方都能舒舒服服坐下来享用的食物。这算是一种进步吧，可以这么说。

But eventually, after that brainstorming, you get one type of food, which you can both sit down and enjoy comfortably. That's a progress Yeah. Let's say.

没错，正是这样。最近你生活中发生了什么特别的事，才促成了这次'励志星期一'吗？

Yeah. Exactly. Was there something that happened in your life recently that kind of brought about this Motivational Monday?

是的，是关于是否参加考试的抉择。因为我知道备考过程会非常辛苦，但我也明白如果通过了考试，我会非常非常开心。所以做不做这个考试的决定真的很重要。不过最后结果是我还是去考了。

Yeah. It's about, like, taking the test or not because I I I know that it's gonna be very it's it's gonna be a lot of hard work during the process of preparing for that. But I know that if I pass that, I could be really, really happy. So the the the process of deciding to do the test or not is really something. But, yeah, the result is that I I I did it.

哦，这不就对了嘛。

Oh, well, there you go.

但我们...我去参加了考试，只是还不知道结果，

But we we I I did the test, but we haven't known the result yet,

这样啊，好吧。

so Oh, okay.

但至少向前迈进了一步。

But at least there's a one step forward.

没错。正是如此。你做到了。这是第一步。嗯。

Yeah. Exactly. You took it. That's step number one. Mhmm.

雨山，你今天周一有什么动力来源？

Yushan, what's your motivation on Monday today?

我的动力来自昨晚和男朋友一起看的一部电影，名叫《物质主义者》。这是一部2025年的美国浪漫喜剧剧情片，编剧和导演我记得是叫席琳·宋。如果没记错的话，她是韩裔，韩裔加拿大人。

My motivation comes from a movie I watched together with my boyfriend last night. It's called Materialist. It's a 2025 American romantic comedy drama film that's written and directed by I think her name is Celine Song. She is Korean, if I'm remembering it right. Korean Canadian.

嗯。这部电影主要探讨在情感与经济地位如此纠缠的时代，尤其是当人们寻求亲密关系并建立更严肃的承诺（比如婚姻）时，爱情的模样。影片跟随那些试图寻找真实联结的人，却不断撞上这个问题：爱情是否足够？还是说经济保障或社会地位在背后塑造着理想婚姻的图景？所以...

Mhmm. So this film is basically about what love looks like today in an age where emotions and economic status are so tangled up, especially when people are looking for intimacy and building something more serious such as marriage. So it follows people trying to find real connection but constantly bumping into the this question. So is love enough or does financial security or social status sit in the background shaping what a good marriage looks like? So one

哦等等，听起来像是贝姬...对。是想说这部电影是贝姬执导的吗？

Oh, wait. It sounds like was it Becky who Yeah. Was trying to This say movie was directed by Becky.

天啊。贝姬·陈，如果你在听今天的节目，一定要去看看这部电影——它能让你深刻体会到当你坠入爱河时，纯粹就是爱了。根本不会有经济条件之类的因素让你犹豫该爱谁。总之，这绝对是适合温馨周五夜晚的好电影。

Gosh. Becky Chen, if you're listening to today's show, please do check this movie out where you can get a really good note on when you fell in love, you just do. There's no financial, say, levels that's going to make you hesitate who you love. So again, try it's a really good movie for a cozy Friday night, let's say.

我的周一激励语是：时尚潮流来来去去，但好皮肤永远流行。这听起来像是护肤播客的标语。没错。

And my motivational Monday is fashion trends may come and go, but good skin is always in. That sounds like the tagline for the skincare podcast. Yeah.

再来一次。对。没错。是的。真正的口号将成为我们的新频道。

Again. Yeah. Right. Yeah. The real slogan will be our new channel.

太棒了。

Awesome.

今天的圆桌讨论就到这里。感谢大家的参与。谢谢Yushin和Yushan。我是Steve。下次再见。

That'll do it for a roundtable for today. Thanks for being with us. Thanks to Yushin and Yushan. I'm Steve. Come back again.