你能指出所有关于美国国旗的谎言吗？

大翻转，这就是我们现在的新名字。大翻转。节目依旧如故。大翻转。让我们开始游戏吧。

Big That's now our name. The Big Fip. The show's still the same. The Big Fip. Let's play the game.

大翻转。我们依然火力全开，揭穿谎言。但现在是大翻转的时代。

The Big Fip. We're still on fire, busting liars. But now The Big Fip.

来自亚利桑那州弗拉格斯塔夫，这里是《大谎言》。现在有请主持人黛博拉·戈尔茨坦。

From Flagstaff, Arizona, this is The Big Fib. And now here's your host, Deborah Goldstein.

欢迎来到《大谎言》，这档游戏节目让孩子们在真理的高扬爱国情怀与谎言颠倒破碎的背叛之间做出选择。我是主持人黛博拉·戈尔茨坦。今天演播室里有我们的音效机器人丽莎——LISA代表现场演播室观众互动——它正在用胳膊做着大幅度的圆周运动。丽莎，你在做什么？

Welcome to The Big Fib, the game show where kids choose between the high flying patriotism of truth and the upside down tattered treason of lies. I'm your host, Deborah Goldstein. And in the studio today is our sound effects robot, Lisa, which stands for live in studio audience and who's making a very large circular motion with his arm. Lisa, what are you doing?

我正在调试我的空气吉他音效文件。不这样甩动手臂可弹不了空气吉他。

I'm currently working on my air guitar sound files. You can't play air guitar without winding up your arm like this.

好吧，小心别伤到自己。

Okay. Well, don't hurt yourself.

别担心这个。我正自由世界里尽情摇滚呢，黛博拉。想点歌吗？

Don't worry about that. I am rocking it in the free world, Deborah. Any requests?

当然。我很想听听你空气吉他演奏的《What About Love》（出自乐队Heart）。

Sure. I'd love to hear your air guitar for what about love by heart?

从没听说过这首歌。

Never heard of it.

好吧。那Jimi Hendrix的《Purple Haze》怎么样？

Okay. How about purple haze by Jimi Hendrix?

这不是真实存在的歌。

That's not a real song.

是的...没关系。那么，The Who乐队的《Pinball Wizard》呢？

Yes. It okay. Well, what about I know. Pinball Wizard by The Who?

谁？别再提这些冷门或虚构的歌了。你得给我些人们真正知道的经典空气吉他曲目，比如CPU兄弟的《Glitch and Shout》、金属主板乐队的《System Overload》。

Who? Just stop naming obscure or made up songs. You've got to give me something people actually know. Classic air guitar songs like Glitch and Shout by the CPU Brothers, System Overload by Metal Motherboard.

好吧。演出结束后你愿意给我演奏几首这些曲子吗？

Okay. How about you play some of those for me after our show?

当然。如果你假装吹长号，我就假装弹吉他。

Sure. I'll play air guitar if you play air trombone.

成交吧，我想。好的。现在，你能告诉我们游戏怎么玩吗？

Deal, I guess. Okay. For now, can you tell us how our game works?

可以。我可以一边假装弹吉他一边解释。看好了——每周我们会邀请两位成年人，其中一位是专家。

Yeah. I can do that while playing air guitar. Check this out. Every week, we bring on two grown ups. One is an expert.

另一位呢？我现在念这段台词时就是个骗子？没错。听起来糟透了。

The other what? I'm just reading this now as a liar? Yes. Sounds awful.

确实。

It is.

好的。然后需要人类小孩帮忙分辨真假，因为没人比孩子更擅长识破谎言。黛博拉，今天我们要骗什么主题？

Okay. And it's the job of a human child to help us figure out who is who because no one can spot a liar better than a kid. What are we lying about today, Deborah?

我们要骗的主题是美国国旗，即美利坚合众国的国旗，这是一面象征美国自由与独立的国旗。丽莎，你对美国国旗了解多吗？

We are lying about the American flag, the flag of The United States Of America, which is a national flag. It represents the freedom and independence of The United States. Lisa, do you know much about the American flag?

机器人认识所有地方的所有旗帜，黛博拉。但我们最爱的旗帜是银河机器人联盟的旗帜。

Robots know about all the flags from all the places, Deborah. But our favorite flag is the Robotic Union of Galactica flag.

哦，我都不知道还有银河机器人联盟这回事

Oh, I didn't know there was such a thing as the Robotic Union of

没错。我们骄傲地展示这面旗帜，向全星系不知疲倦解决人类问题的勇敢机器人们致敬——而人类的问题实在太多了。

Galactica. Yeah. That's right. It's a flag we all display with pride to honor the brave robots throughout the galaxy who work tirelessly to solve human problems, and there are so many human problems.

好吧。我们正在努力改进，但感谢你们所做的一切，比如介绍我们的参赛者——这其实不算什么问题——你能帮我这个忙吗？

Okay. Well, we're working on that, but we thank you for all that you do, like introducing our contestants, which isn't really a problem, but can you help me with that?

这将让我倍感荣耀。我们的人类儿童参赛者是九岁的泽夫·林奇，他喜欢疯狂打鼓。

It would make me proud. Our human child contestant is a nine year old who likes to rock out on his drums, Zev Lynch.

嗨，泽夫。

Hi, Zev.

嗨，泽夫。

Hi, Zev.

欢迎来到大舞台。所以你是打鼓的。不是空气鼓吧？是真鼓吗？

Welcome to the big bib. So you play the drums. They're not air drums, right? They're actual drums?

不，是真鼓。

No. They're actual drums.

太棒了。你打鼓是上课学的吗？

Awesome. Do you take lessons to play the drums?

是的，我上打鼓课。

Yep. I take lessons.

然后你整天在房子里练习，吵得别人没法思考？

And you practice all day long in the house so that nobody can hear themselves think?

差不多吧。

Yeah. Pretty much.

精彩。接下来我们要通过玩'两个真相一个谎言'的游戏来了解你更多趣事。Zeb先生，请告诉我们三个事实，其中两个是真的，一个是假的，我们要猜出哪个是假的。那么Zeb，你的三个事实是什么？

Excellent. Well, we're gonna actually hear some more fun facts about you, but we're gonna do it by playing our game, two truths and a lie. You, mister Zeb, will share with us three facts. Two of those facts will be true, one will be a lie, and we have to figure out which is which. So, Zeb, what are your three facts?

第一件是我锁骨骨折过两次。哦。第二件是我出生在佛罗里达。第三件是我有条鱼叫米奇。

One is I broke my clavicle twice. Oh. The next is I was born in Florida. And the next is I had a fish named Mickey.

我不知道锁骨是什么，但听起来像是你会经常弄坏的东西。你可能会走着走着突然说，哦不，我把锁骨弄掉了。所以我打赌这条是假的。

I don't know what a clavicle is, but it sounds like something you would break a bunch of times. You would just be, like, walking around and be like, oh, no. I dropped my clavicle. So I bet that's the one that's the lie.

是啊，说不定是鼓组的一部分之类的。

Yeah. Maybe it's part of a drum set or something.

对，可能像某种打击乐器。

Yeah. It's probably like a percussion instrument.

我不... 嗯。好吧。行。

I don't Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Good. Alright.

那么泽夫，告诉我们这些事实中哪条是谎言？

So, Zev, tell us which one of those facts is your lie?

我并不是出生在佛罗里达。

I was not born in Florida.

你不是在佛罗里达出生的。你在哪里出生的？布鲁克林。这意味着你的锁骨断了两次。那是你鼓组的一部分吗？

You were not born in Florida. Where were you born? Brooklyn. Which means you broke your clavicle twice. Is that part of your drum set?

不。那是我肩膀的一部分。

No. That is part of my shoulder.

哦，不。那太糟糕了。

Oh, no. That's terrible.

听起来很可怕。

That sounds awful.

你能别再弄断你的锁骨了吗？我们受够了吗？

Can you stop breaking your clavicle now? Have we had enough now?

我想是的。

I think.

是的。我们会很感激的。

Yeah. We would appreciate that.

你还剩下多少根锁骨？

How many clavicles do you have left?

足够。我们的

Enough. Our

第一位专家是布伦达·蒙特西诺。布伦达，请向泽夫介绍一下你自己。

first expert is Brenda Montesino. Brenda, please introduce yourself to Zev.

嗨，泽夫。我叫布伦达，是美国退伍军人协会的教育工作者。我们是一个退伍军人社区，致力于在华盛顿特区为退伍军人权益发声。嘿。

Hi, Zev. My name is Brenda, and I'm an educator for the American Legion. We're a community of veterans that advocate for veterans' rights in Washington DC. Hey.

谢谢你，布伦达。让我们认识第二位专家，蒂姆·格罗夫。蒂姆，请向泽夫介绍一下你自己。

Thank you, Brenda. Let's meet our second expert, Tim Grove. Tim, please introduce yourself to Zev.

嘿，泽夫。我是蒂姆。我在历史博物馆开发了许多展览，并写了五本书，其中一本名为《星条旗》。

Hey, Zev. I'm Tim. I have developed many exhibitions at history museums and have written five books, including one titled star spangled.

好的。

Okay.

热座时间到了。

Hot seat time.

我喜欢这个环节。这时候我们的专家们会坐在热座上回答泽布的问题。丽莎，我们应该先让谁坐热座？

I love it. That's when we put our experts on the hot seat while they answer Zeb's questions. Lisa, whom should we put on the hot seat first?

蒂姆·格罗夫，因为他听起来像一片超棒的森林。比如，我们去拜访蒂姆·格罗夫吧，伙计。

Tim Grove because he sounds like an awesome forest. Like, let's go visit Tim Grove, dude.

好吧。可以。有道理。不错。行。

Okay. Fine. Fair. Good. Alright.

泽布，你对蒂姆的第一个问题是什么？

Zeb, what's your first question for Tim?

那么我对蒂姆的第一个问题是，你在工作中了解到的关于美国国旗最奇怪的事情是什么？

So my first question for Tim is what is the weirdest thing you learned about the American flag when you were working?

这是个好问题。我要说的是，我了解到《星条旗》——那是一面非常特殊的、有两百年历史的旗帜——上面少了一颗星星，没人知道它去哪儿了。

That is a good question. And I would say I learned that the Star Spangled Banner, which is a very particular flag, that's two hundred years old. One of the stars is missing on it, and no one knows where it went.

哇哦。它是刚掉下来的吗？发生什么事了？

Woah. Did it just fall off? What happened?

有人把它剪掉了，没人知道它去哪儿了。

Someone cut it out, and no one knows where it went.

可能是某种偷星贼干的。

Probably it was some sort of star thief.

是啊。这个问题得问布伦达。是什么让你想了解美国国旗的？

Yeah. This is a question for Brenda. What made you want to learn about the American flag?

嗯，在高中时，我其实了解到现在的星条旗——就是有13道条纹和50颗星星的那个——是由一个高中生设计的。这让我特别着迷，原来和我同龄的人也能对美国历史做出如此重大的贡献。哇。

Well, in high school, I actually learned that it was a high schooler who designed the current Scarlet Swangled banner as we know it, the one with the 13 stripes and all 50 stars. And it just made me so fascinated that someone my age could have made such a big contribution to American history. Wow.

哦，他们可能把这当作制旗入门课了吧。确实。

Oh, they probably made it an intro to flag making. Sure.

这说得通。

That makes sense.

那曾经是高中标准课程的一部分。

That used to be a standard high school class.

真的吗？

Is that a fact?

但你知道，现在的孩子们，他们没有接受过正规的旗帜制作教育。

But, you know, the kids these days, they don't get the proper flag making education.

确实如此。确实如此。可悲啊。现状令人遗憾。继续说吧，Zeb。

That's true. That's true. Sad. Sad state of affairs. Go ahead, Zeb.

Tim，你是怎么成为专家的？需要经过培训或学习吗？

Tim, how did you become an expert? Did you have to, like, train or study for it?

对啊。你上过旗帜学校吗？

Yeah. Did you go to flag school?

你上过专家学校吗？

Did you go to expert school?

嗯，部分原因是我写了一本名为《星条旗》的书。写书需要大量研究，查阅各种类型的资料。这大概是我成为专家的主要途径。

Well, partly, I wrote this book called Star Spangled. So a book requires a lot of research, looking at a lot of different types of sources. So that's probably the main way I became an expert.

布伦达，你有激励你的榜样吗？如果有的话，是谁呢？

Brenda, do you have a role model who inspires you? And if you do, who is it?

我认为我的榜样是贝琪·罗斯，她制作了我们所知的第一面美国国旗。想象一下，最初的国旗上有13颗星星围成一圈，13条条纹代表13个殖民地。想到是位女性缝制了第一面美国国旗，我觉得这非常了不起。

I think my role model would be Betsy Ross who created the first American flag as we know it. If you can imagine, the first flag looks like it had, 13 stars in a circle and then the 13 colonies as the stripes. And I thought it was really incredible that it was a woman who sew had sewn the first American flag.

这个问题要同时问布伦达和蒂姆。那么，是谁制定了关于国旗的规则？

So this is a question for both Brenda and Tim. So who came up with the rules for the flags?

是啊。关于国旗有很多规则。

Yeah. A lot of rules about flags.

我想是黛博拉。

I think it was Deborah.

不。不是我做的

Nope. I didn't do

我认为这些规则是随时间逐渐形成的。没有人写过一本关于旗帜的规则手册。我想人们只是慢慢达成共识，比如不该把国旗穿在身上，或者不该倒挂国旗之类的。

it. I would say they developed over time. No one wrote a rule book for flags. I think people just gradually decided, oh, you shouldn't wear them on your clothes or you shouldn't fly them upside down or things like that.

是的。我想补充一点，许多总统都做出了重要贡献。乔治·华盛顿实际上写过一份不是手册而是十条指示，包括禁止倒挂国旗，以及关于早晨升旗和傍晚降旗的规定。这些历史遗留的规范塑造了我们今天看待国旗的方式。

Yeah. And I would add on to that. I think a lot of the presidents have made pretty big contributions. George Washington actually wrote not a manual, but a list of 10 instructions, including the don't fly the flag upside down, and then what you're supposed to do with hoisting it up in the morning and bringing it back down at night. So those are some of the remnants in history that have kind of come through and shaped the way we view the flag today.

哇。那我们普通人会因此收到罚单吗？如果连我都不清楚这些国旗规则，别人怎么可能都知道呢？我们会惹上麻烦吗？

Wow. And so can any of us get, like, a ticket for doing the wrong thing? If I don't know all these rules that have to do with the flag, how's anybody supposed to know, and are we gonna get in trouble?

我觉得不会收到罚单。不会的。你甚至可以焚烧国旗而不会惹上麻烦。

I don't think you get a ticket. No. Good. You can even burn the flag and not get in trouble.

天哪。

Oh my goodness.

多年来，人们试图通过国会议员推动反焚烧国旗立法，但这实际上被视为言论自由的一种表现。当人们为表达抗议情绪而极度愤怒时，可能会焚烧国旗。虽然这种行为令人不适，但仍受言论自由保护。

Over the years, people have tried to get their congressmen and women to have a law that is against burning flags, but it's really considered free speech. To express ourselves and protest something, people are so angry sometimes that they will just burn the flag. So it's offensive to people, but it's still protected as free speech.

那么布伦达，如果要你重新设计美国国旗，你会设计成什么样？

So, Brenda, if you could redesign the American flag, what would it look like?

哦，好问题。

Oh, good question.

我想我可能会再添加一些颜色。你不觉得加点黄色和绿色在不同的星星上会很好看吗？

I think I might actually add some more colors to it. Don't you think it would look good with a bit of yellow and green maybe in the different stars?

是啊，我喜欢这个想法。这些颜色有什么特别的象征意义吗？

Yeah. I like that. Would you would those colors represent anything in particular?

有的。美国国旗上的蓝色代表环绕美国的海洋。我觉得绿色可以象征我们的国家公园，而黄色——黄色这么明亮，或许可以代表发展或迈向未来。

Yeah. Well, the blue in the American flag represents the oceans that surround The United States. And I think the green could represent our national parks, and the yellow maybe yellow is such a bright color. Maybe it can represent development or going to the future.

哇，我喜欢这种思考方式。很棒，非常好。你呢，蒂姆？

Wow. I like that thinking. Nice. Very good. What about you, Tim?

你会重新设计国旗吗，还是觉得现在这样就很完美？

Would you redesign the flag, or do you think it's perfect just the way it is?

我喜欢现在的样子。我喜欢红、白、蓝三色，也喜欢星星。

I like it the way it is. I like red, white, and blue, and I like stars.

我自己是个条纹控。

I'm a stripe fan myself.

是吗？

Are you?

对啊，我喜欢

Yeah. I like

你加了更多条纹吗？

Did you add more stripes?

会的，应该再加些条纹。

I would yeah. There should be additional stripes.

嗯。

Yeah.

该发给谁我不清楚，但再多加些条纹吧。

Where do we I don't know who where who to send that to, but add some more stripes.

嗨，我是杰西。想在这个万圣节季节寻找一档充满奇幻与怪物的完美播客吗？那你一定要收听GZM的《夜莺》。故事讲述好奇的孩子们跟随奇怪声响，发现一部更诡异的电梯，将他们带往一个充满奇迹与黑暗的世界。

Hi there. It's me, Jess. Looking for a podcast filled with fantasy and monsters perfect for this Halloween season? Then you need to listen to GZM's Nightingale. Find out what happens when curious kids follow a strange noise to an even stranger elevator that takes them to a world full of wonder and darkness.

请在Apple Podcasts上订阅《夜莺》，或访问gzmshows.com获取更多信息，让GZM成为你万圣节传统的一部分。

Follow Nightingale on Apple Podcasts, or for more information, go to gzmshows.com, and make GZM a part of your Halloween tradition.

现在是快速问答环节，我们的专家需要在时间耗尽前回答尽可能多的问题。专家们，你们必须快速作答。泽夫，我们从布伦达开始，你现在可以提出你的快速问答问题了。

It's time for the shorts on fire round when our experts have to answer as many questions as they can before time runs out. Experts, you really have to let your answers fly. Zev, let's start with Brenda, and you can ask your shorts on fire questions now.

我们准备好了。

We're good.

美国国旗的一个别称是什么？

What is one nickname for the American flag?

星条旗。

The Star Spangled Banner.

星条旗现在存放在哪里？

Where is the Star Spangled Banner?

它位于纽约的自然历史博物馆。

It's in the Natural History Museum in New York.

哪位非裔美国艺术家在1969年创作了《为美国祈祷》？

What African American artist painted Pray for America in 1969?

我其实不太确定。可以跳过这个问题吗？

I'm actually not sure. Can I pass on that?

宣誓效忠时应该把哪只手放在心脏位置？

Which hand do you place over your heart when you say the pledge of allegiance?

右手放在心脏位置。

The right hand over the heart.

我们可以在夜间悬挂国旗吗？

Are we allowed to fly the flag at night?

可以。但有特定条件。比如，如果夜间悬挂国旗却不提供照明，实际上可能会被处以250至500美元的罚款。

Yes. But with certain conditions. So for example, if you fly the flag at night without it being illuminated, that can actually be a fine of from $250 to $500.

国旗左上角的部位叫什么？

What is the top left corner of the flag called?

实际上它被称为旗杆套，因为那是它固定在旗杆上的部分。

It's actually called the bander because that's where it's being bonded to the pole.

说出最初13个殖民地中的两个。

Name two of the 13 original colonies.

西弗吉尼亚和德克萨斯。

West Virginia and Texas.

时间到了。嘿，听着，别再试图争取更多时间了。就这样。

That's all the time. Hey. Listen. Just stop trying to get more time. That's it.

好的。时间到。丽莎会为蒂姆重新计时。泽夫，现在向蒂姆提出你的快问快答吧。

Okay. Alright. That is time. Lisa will restart the timer for Tim. Zev, ask Tim your shorts on fire questions now.

第一面国旗是谁缝制的？

Who sewed the first flag?

历史无从知晓。尽管大家都认为是贝琪·罗斯，但没有任何历史证据能证明是她设计的。

History does not know. Even though everyone thinks it's Betsy Ross, there is no historical evidence to prove that it was Betsy Ross.

最初的13颗星星为什么排列成圆形？

Why were the first 13 stars positioned in the shape of a circle?

老实说，这个我也不太确定。

I'm not sure about that, to be honest.

那是个意外。

It was an accident.

月球上总共插过多少面美国国旗？

How many American flags have been planted on the moon?

我认为是六面。

I believe six.

美国国旗和美国宪法，哪个问世更早？

Which came first, the American flag or the constitution of The United States?

美国国旗。

The American flag.

研究旗帜的专家官方名称是什么？

What is the official name of a flag expert?

这个词我几乎说不出来，但叫做旗帜学家。

I could barely say the word, but it is a vexilologist.

哪位超级英雄是第一个穿着美国国旗服装的，比美国队长还早一年出现？

What superhero was the first to wear an American flag costume and came a year before Captain America?

哦，我本来想说美国队长的。我不知道。

Oh, I would have said Captain America. I don't know.

国旗上有多少排星星？

How many rows of stars are on the flag?

我应该知道这个的，对吧？如果我是个专家的话，但我不知道。我得想想。

I should know that, shouldn't I? If I'm an expert, but I don't know. I'd have to think about it.

星条旗在哪里？

Where is the Star Spangled Banner?

星条旗位于华盛顿特区的史密森尼学会，具体在美国国家历史博物馆内。

Star Spangled Banner is in the Smithsonian Institution in Washington DC, specifically the National Museum of American History.

时间到了。就这些时间了。好吗？

And that's time. That's all the time. Okay?

现在是做决定的时刻了。希望我们的参赛者泽夫掌握了足够的信息，能判断出谁的旗帜仍在飘扬或类似的情况。泽夫，你认为谁是我们的大骗子？

It's decision time. Hopefully, our contestant Zev has enough information to figure out whose banner yet waves or something like that. Zev, who do you think is our big fibber?

我认为在说谎的人是布伦达。

I think the person who's telling the fib is Brenda.

好的。你为什么认为布伦达是骗子？

Okay. Why do you think Brenda is our fibber?

她在回答问题时犹豫了很久。而且通常她的回答听起来不太令人信服。

She hesitated a lot to answer the questions. And she usually she was giving answers like they kinda didn't sound convincing.

他们的说法听起来不够令人信服。好吧。能否请真正的美国国旗专家告诉我们您的身份？

They didn't sound convincing. Okay. Will the actual true American flag expert please let us know who you are?

是我，蒂姆。

It's me, Tim.

答对了，泽夫。这位正是历史学家、博物馆顾问兼作家蒂姆·格罗夫，他曾在美国多家顶级历史博物馆工作，包括三家史密森尼博物馆。他的新书《星条旗：一面旗帜、一场战斗与美国国歌的故事》专为儿童和家庭撰写。内容可谓包罗万象。

You got it, Zev. That is correct. Historian, museum consultant, and author Tim Grove has worked at some of America's top history museums, including three Smithsonian museums. His new book for kids and families is entitled Star Spangled, The Story of a Flag, A Battle, and The American Anthem. Chock full, I should say.

太棒了。非常好。干得漂亮，泽夫。现在进入事实核查环节。蒂姆，布伦达说的哪一点是你无法认可的？

Incredible. Very good. Well done, Zev. It's time for some fact checking. Tim, what did Brenda say that you just can't honor?

首先，最初的13个殖民地中并不包括西弗吉尼亚和德克萨斯这两个州。

Oh, well, two of the 13 original colonies were not West Virginia and Texas, first of all.

当然不包括。

Certainly not.

没错。确实如此。

No. That true.

就像我说的，星条旗并不在纽约。它在华盛顿特区的史密森尼博物馆。

And like I said, the Star Spangled Banner is not in New York. It's in Washington DC at the Smithsonian.

正确。

Correct.

有段时间我以为她说国旗是一个高中生设计的。这不是真的。尽管我们不知道第一面国旗是谁设计的。

At one point, I thought she said that a high schooler designed the flag. Not true. Even though we don't know who designed the first flag.

但是夏威夷和阿拉斯加成为州之后的那面国旗是高中生设计的吗？

But was it a high schooler who designed the flag after Hawaii and Alaska became states?

哦，我不知道。

Oh, I don't know.

哦，我昨晚研究时查了一下，显然这是真的。

Oh, I googled that last night while I was researching, and apparently, it's true.

哦，设计了那面国旗。

Oh, designed that flag.

是的。但它指的是现在的国旗，不是最初的那一面。

Yeah. But it's like the current flag, not the first original one.

他们会怎么做？他们只是又加了两颗星星。

What would they do? They just add two more stars.

嗯，没错。但它看起来和现在不一样。所以他们举办了一个比赛，收到了1500份投稿。那个孩子实际上在班级里只得了B减，因为据说他的设计缺乏想象力。

Well, yeah. But it what it didn't look like the way it looks now. So they had a contest, and there were 1,500 submissions. The kid actually got a b minus in his class because apparently, it didn't show any imagination.

对，我说的就是这个。

Yeah. That's what I'm talking about.

但老师说如果他的设计被选中，就会把他的成绩改成A。结果你看，现在国旗用的就是他的设计。

But the teacher said if they picked his design that he would change his grade to an a and low, it is the current design of the flag.

这很有意思。还有另外两件事。

That's very interesting. Two other things.

是的。

Yes.

国旗左上角的部分实际上被称为旗章区。

The top left of the flag is actually called the canton.

正确。是的。不是旗杆。

Correct. Yes. Not the bander.

她说对了。她说蓝色代表海洋。我以前从未听说过这种说法。

And she said right. She said blue represents oceans. I've never heard that before.

不。那是错误的。布伦达，你说了哪些可能引起不安的谎言？

No. That's incorrect. And, Brenda, what lies did you tell that might cause distress?

所以错误展示或焚烧美国国旗都不会被罚款。

So there's no fine for displaying the American flag incorrectly or for burning it.

哦，那很好。

Oh, And good.

我提到乔治·华盛顿写过类似十件事的小手册，但他从未写过那样的东西。

I mentioned that George Washington wrote, like, a little manual of 10 things, and he never wrote anything like that.

哇，你刚才说了不少漂亮的谎言。

Wow. You had a lot of good lies in there.

我同意，简直失控了。

I agree. Out of control.

好的。回顾几个我们难倒蒂姆的问题——这样对他确实不太友善——首位身着美国国旗元素制服的超级英雄其实是盾牌侠。国旗上有九排星星，最初的13颗星排列成圆形，象征各殖民地地位平等。好了。

Okay. And just to go back to some of the questions where we stumped Tim, which which wasn't very nice of us, the superhero to first wear a costume based on the American flag was actually the shield. There are nine rows of stars on the flag. And the first 13 stars were positioned in the shape of a circle so that no colony would be seen as above another. Alright.

现在是奏响熄灯号结束今天的时候了。感谢参赛者泽夫带来的精彩提问，感谢我们的专家兼骗子蒂姆和布伦达，还有永远特立独行的丽莎。当然更要感谢收听《大谎言》的听众们，在这里我们拦截谎言，而真相永远享有尊荣之位。

It is time to play taps and call it a day. Thanks to our contestant, Zev, for his banner questions. Thank you to our expert and liar, Tim and Brenda, and to Lisa who always lets his freak flag fly. And, of course, many thanks to our listeners tuning into the Big Fib where we flag down lies and the truth always holds a position of honor.

《大谎言》由Z世代传媒出品。更多精彩节目请访问gzmshows.com。您还可以在该网站提交问题让我在《问问丽莎》栏目中朗读，并了解参与方式。关注我们的社交媒体账号@thebigfibpodcast，获取幕后花絮照片和更多真实资讯。现在，我得去升我的旗帜了。

The Big Fib is a production of Gen Z Media. For more great shows, visit gzmshows.com. While you're there, you can send questions for me to read on ask Lisa and find out how you can participate. And follow us on social media at the big fib podcast for behind the scenes photos and more true facts. And now, I must go fly my flag.

找找看，抬头望向天空，那是我的旗帜。

Look for it. Look up on the sky. It is my flag.

更多精彩故事，请访问gzmshows.com。

For more great stories, visit gzmshows.com.

开始了。GZM节目，想象力被放大。

It's starting. GZM shows, imagination amplified.

嗨，我是杰西。正在寻找充满奇幻与怪物、完美契合万圣节氛围的播客吗？那你一定要收听GZM的《夜莺》。当好奇的孩子们跟随奇怪的声音来到一部更诡异的电梯，通往一个充满奇迹与黑暗的世界时，会发生什么？

Hi there. It's me, Jess. Looking for podcasts filled with fantasy and monsters perfect for this Halloween season? Then you need to listen to GZM's Nightingale. Find out what happens when curious kids follow a strange noise to an even stranger elevator that takes them to a world full of wonder and darkness.

在Apple Podcasts上关注《夜莺》，或访问gzmshows.com获取更多信息，让GZM成为你万圣节传统的一部分。

Follow Nightingale on Apple Podcasts, or for more information, go to gzmshows.com, and make GZM a part of your Halloween tradition.