若你多问些问题，就能发现谁在蝾螈一事上撒谎。

有两个人自称对某事了如指掌，但其实只有一人略知一二。凯西克与罗斯福，质量保证，重力钟，恐龙有两个大脑。幸运的孩子们住在火星，乘飞行汽车上学——至少将来会这样。相信我，我是历史学家、宇航员，或者开着德劳瑞恩时光车的人。我怎会撒谎？

Two people claim to know everything about something, but only one knows anything. Keswick and Roosevelt, warranty, gravity bell, dinosaurs had two brains. Lucky kids live on Mars and go to school in flying cars, or at least they will one day. Believe me, I'm a historian, an astronaut, or drive a DeLorean. Would I lie?

这很难说。弥天大谎。你能看见那束光吗？弥天大谎。卖猪告别。

It's hard to say. The big Fib. Can you spot the light? The Big Fib. Sell pigs goodbye.

弥天大谎。但如果你问我

The Big Fib. But if you ask me

为什么，你能相信这个答案吗？

why, can you trust the answer? The

弥天大谎。来自西弗吉尼亚州吉尔伯特，这里是《弥天大谎》节目。现在有请主持人黛博拉·黛博拉·戈尔茨坦？

Big Fib. From Gilbert, West Virginia, this is The Big Fib. And now here's your host, Deborah Deborah Goldstein?

是的。并不是她。

Yes. That is not.

黛博拉·戈尔茨坦。

Deborah Goldstein.

欢迎来到《大话王》节目，孩子们将在这里选择是拥抱童真永驻的真理再生，还是孤独濒危的谎言互噬。我是主持人黛博拉·戈德斯坦。今天演播室里还有我们的音效机器人丽莎，她的名字缩写代表'现场观众'。

Welcome to The Big Fib, the game show where kids choose between the pedomorphic and neotenic regeneration of truth and the solitary endangered cannibalism of lies. I'm your host, Deborah Goldstein. And in the studio today is our sound effects robot Lisa, whose name is an acronym that stands for live in studio audience.

很高兴来到这里。不。

Happy to be here. No.

听起来你好像打嗝了，丽莎。

It sounds like you've had hiccups, Lisa.

已经两个小时了，黛博拉，我就是停不下来。快把我逼疯了。

It's been two hours, and I I can't seem to get rid of them, Deborah. It's driving me crazy.

噢，糟糕。你试过屏住呼吸吗？好吧。那倒立喝水呢？

Oh, no. Have you tried holding your breath? Okay. Drinking water upside down?

我不想让水溅到电路上。所以没试。

I didn't want to spill any water on my circuits. So no.

不。好吧。好吧。好吧。看来得用非常手段了。

No. Okay. Okay. Okay. This calls for drastic measures.

我愿意尝试任何方法，黛博拉。

I'll try anything, Deborah.

好的。如果你想摆脱打嗝，就得跟着我重复。

Okay. You have to repeat after me if you want to get rid of the hiccups.

好的。

Okay.

行。跟着我念：哦哇。

Alright. Repeat after me. Oh wah.

哦哇。塔古。塔古。

Oh wah. Ta goo. Ta goo.

萨姆。

Sa am.

萨姆。

Sa am.

好的，现在快一点。哦哇。

Okay. Now faster. Oh wah.

哦哇。

Oh wah.

嗒咕。

Ta goo.

嗒咕。

Ta goo.

暹罗。暹罗。好的。一起快一点。

Siam. Siam. Okay. Altogether faster.

哦哇。嗒咕。暹罗。

O wa. Tagoo. Siam.

一起再快一点。

A little faster altogether.

哦哇。塔古斯克。是的。我是。哦哇。

O wa. Tagoosk. Yeah. I am. O wa.

那只鹅我。

The goose I.

噢，我真是个呆头鹅。

Oh, what a goose I am.

你是只鹅？

You're a goose?

黛博拉，这一点都不好笑。好吗？我有严重的健康问题。我还以为能信任你帮我治好打嗝，结果你只顾着让我出洋相。

Deborah, that was not funny. Okay? I have a serious medical condition. And to think I trusted you to help me get rid of the hiccups, and all you did was make me sound silly.

好吧。但你现在不打嗝了，对吧？

Okay. But you don't have the hiccups anymore, do you?

什么？噢。噢，确实不打了。天哪，黛博拉。你真是个奇迹创造者。

What? Oh. Oh, I don't. Oh my gosh, Deborah. You're a miracle worker.

你就像是明星们的医生，真的太感谢你了。

You're like a doctor to the stars. Thank you so much.

非常不客气。

You're welcome so much.

黛博拉你知道吗？我的人生彻底改变了。这意味着我能毫无障碍地回答听众问题了。

You know what, Deborah? My whole life has changed. This means I can respond to a listener question hiccup free.

太好了。那么让我们听听那个听众问题吧。

Yay. Well well, let's hear that listener question.

嗨，丽莎。我叫艾玛，我有个问题：机器人能永远活着吗？

Hi, Lisa. My name is Emma, and I have a question. Do robots live forever?

艾玛，谢谢你的提问，但这让我有点困惑。为什么机器人不能永远运作呢？我是说，当然，我以后需要一些调试和零件更换，最终还需要新操作系统来让我使用可再生能源运作。

Emma, thank you for your question, but it's a little confusing for me. Why wouldn't robots be operational forever? I mean, yeah, sure. I'm I'm gonna need some tune ups down the road and maybe some replacement parts. And eventually, I'll need a new operating system to allow me to function using renewable energy sources.

但只要我好好保养自己，我就能永远制造音效。永远。

But as long as I take good care of myself, I'm going to be generating sound effects forever. Ever.

哇，那真是很长一段时间了。你有没有想过有一天会退休，也许，我不知道，放下那些老旧的扬声器，不再制作音效？

Wow. That is quite a long time. Do you think you'll ever wanna retire one day and maybe, I don't know, hang up the old speakers and stop making sound effects?

不做音效？如果我停止与人类分享这份天赋，那将是多么可悲的世界。虽然我理解你问这个问题的好意，但我绝不可能让你们失去这些声音，比如Or And，我甚至不愿想象一个没有这些的世界。

Not make sound effects? What a sad world it would be if I stopped sharing my gift with humanity. So while I appreciate that you mean well by asking that question, there is no way I would deny you all of such sounds as Or And I don't even want to imagine a world without this.

嗯，幸好我们不用想象那个世界，毕竟你会永远活着，或者直到保修期结束，替换零件停产为止。

Well, it is a good thing we don't have to imagine that world given that you will live forever or until your warranty expires and your replacement parts are discontinued.

等等。黛博拉，你刚才说什么？你说了什么？

Wait. Deborah, what what was that? What'd you say?

什么？哦，什么？哦，没什么。没什么。抱歉。

What? Oh, what? Oh, oh, nothing. Nothing. Sorry.

我是想说，你的回答需要更多音效实例来佐证，比如你解释我们游戏规则时的声音效果。

I meant to say that your answer warrants examples of more sound effects such as the sound of you explaining how our game works.

对，我就知道你是这么说的。每周我们会请来两位成年人，一位是专家，另一位是骗子，而人类孩子的任务就是帮我们分辨谁是谁，因为没人能比孩子更擅长识破谎言。这就是为什么他们被称为天生的测谎仪。

Right. That's what I thought you said. Every week, we bring on two grown ups. One is an expert, the other is a liar, and it's the job of a human child to help us figure out who is who because no one could spot a liar better than a kid. That's why they call them nature's lie detectors.

是这样吗？

Is that right?

我们今天要编什么谎？黛博拉·戈德斯坦。

What are we lying about today? Deborah Goldstein.

我们要编造关于美西螈的谎言，这种两栖动物有着圆柱形的身体、短小的腿和羽毛状的外鳃。今天我们将和参赛者一起学习关于美西螈的一切。丽莎，这位参赛者会是谁呢？

We are lying about axolotls, amphibians with cylindrical bodies, short legs, and feathery external gills. And we're going to learn all about axolotls along with our contestant today. Who might that be, Lisa?

我们的人类儿童参赛者是一位八岁的小女孩，她有一朵特别的金玫瑰，名叫凯莉·卡伦。

Our human child contestant is an eight year old who has a special golden rose, Callie Cullen.

欢迎你，凯莉。你好吗？很好。太棒了。给我们讲讲这朵特别的金玫瑰吧。

Welcome, Callie. How are you? Good. Excellent. Tell us about this special golden rose.

它是真花吗？

Is it an actual flower?

是的。它是真花。我参演过《美女与野兽》的戏剧。作为礼物，我得到了一朵蜡制玫瑰，它看起来像真玫瑰，而且边缘镶着金边。

Yeah. It's an actual flower. I was in a play Beauty and the Beast. As a present, I got a wax rose that's like it's a real rose and like it's outlined in golden.

所以它会像丽莎一样永远活着，对吧？

So it'll it'll live forever like Lisa. Right?

是的，就像丽莎一样，完全正确。

Yeah. Like Lisa. Exactly.

你知道吗，《美女与野兽》是根据黛博拉和我改编的。

You know, Beauty and the Beast was based on Deborah and I.

是吗？

Is that?

也许吧。

Maybe.

是的，讲述播客主持人和音效机器人的故事。没错，这是个美妙的迪士尼童话。太美好了。

Yes. About the podcast host and the sound effects robot. Yes. It's a lovely Disney tale. That is beautiful.

所以我想这对你来说是一份非常特别的礼物，对吗？嗯。演出进行得怎么样？你在剧中扮演什么角色？

So I imagine that you this is a very, special gift for you. Yes? Yeah. How did the show go? What were you in the show?

我很难说清楚，德拉格兰布歇夫人，但衣橱哦。还有一个傻女孩和一个旁白。

I was it's hard to say, Madame de la Grand Bouche, but wardrobe Oh. And a silly girl and a narrator.

哇，这么多角色，这么多帽子。太棒了。你本该得到三朵玫瑰的。我就是这么做的。

Wow. So many parts, so many hats. Amazing. You should have gotten three roses. That's what I do.

好的。我们还想了解更多关于你的趣事，卡莉，但我们要用'大谎言'的方式。我们来玩'两个真相一个谎言'。卡莉会告诉我们两个真相和一个谎言，但我们不知道哪个是哪个。我们要看看卡莉是否擅长撒谎，以及我们能否识破谎言。

Alright. Well, we do wanna learn some more fun facts about you, Callie, but we're gonna do it big fib style. We're gonna play two truths and a lie. So Callie is going to tell us two truths and one lie, but we will not know which one is which. And we have to see if Callie is a good fibber and if we can identify the fib.

所以卡莉，请不分先后地告诉我们你的两个真相和一个谎言。

So Callie, in no particular order, please tell us your two truths and one lie.

我有两条狗。我有超过20个Squishmallows（如果你知道这是什么的话）。还有我不喜欢泰勒·斯威夫特。

I have two dogs. I have more than 20 Squishmallows, if you even know what Squishmallows are. And I don't like Taylor Swift.

哇，这很有争议性。如果她...泰勒·斯威夫特...不喜欢泰勒·斯威夫特。这可是个事实。天哪。

Woah. That's very controversial That's if she Taylor doesn't Swift. Like Taylor Swift. That is the fact. So my goodness.

噢，我甚至都不想碰这个话题。就算用金玫瑰也不想碰。好吧，丽莎你怎么看？

Oh, I don't even wanna touch that. Not even with a golden rose. Okay. So what do you think, Lisa?

好吧，我知道鱼棉花糖是什么。那是用鱼做的棉花糖。但史莱姆抱枕，我觉得那是毛绒玩具。对，她说她有超过20个史莱姆抱枕，还有两只狗。

Well, I know what fishmallows are. Those are marshmallows that are made out of fish. But squishmallows, I think those are stuffed animals. Yeah. She's saying that she has more than 20 squishmallows, and she has two dogs.

所以每只狗大概能分到10个史莱姆抱枕，大概吧。她不喜欢泰勒·斯威夫特。她是个孩子。每个孩子都喜欢泰勒·斯威夫特。所以我觉得她这是在给我下套。

So that would be 10 squishmallows per dog, give or take, if I think how many. She doesn't like Taylor Swift. She's a child. Every child likes Taylor Swift. So I think I think she's setting me up here for a big kicker.

让我想想。两只狗。呃，我能再问个问题吗？你有多少只狗？

Let's see. Two dogs. How well, can I just one follow-up question? How many dogs do you have?

不行，你不能问这个问题。

No. You may not ask that question.

我有多少就有多少。我有多少就有多少。

As many as I have. As many as I have.

哦，我能有多少就有多少。好吧好吧。她挺厉害的。她挺厉害的。

Oh, many as I can. Okay. Okay. She's good. She's good.

好的。我要用我的声音探测技能来探测她的周围环境，我听到了18个——不对，18个半——不对，19.34个史莱姆抱枕。

Alright. I am gonna use my audio detecting skills to detect her surroundings, and I am hearing 18 nope. 18 and a half. Nope. 19.34 squishmallows.

这就是谎言。这绝对是谎言。好吧。她说有20多个，但我听到的是19.34个。

That's so that's the lie. That's definitely the lie. Okay. Said she has more than 20, but I'm hearing 19.34.

明白了。好的。让我们看看他的超感官能力是否能赢得奖品。凯莉，哪件事其实是谎言？

I see. Alright. Okay. Let's see if his super sensory abilities will win the prize. Callie, which one of those things is actually a fib?

我有两只狗。

I have two dogs.

‘我有两只狗’是谎言？你搞错了，丽莎。你搞错了。你的传感器出错了。你并没有两只狗。

I have two dogs is a fib? You got it wrong, Lisa. You got it wrong. Your sensors were incorrect. You don't have two dogs.

你是有一只狗吗？你有养狗吗？

Do you have one dog? Do you have any dogs?

我有一只狗。

I have one dog.

一只名叫

One dog whose name is

哦，她是个独狗家庭。

Oh, she's a one dog.

是的。

Yes.

对。

Yeah.

你的狗叫什么名字？

What's your dog's name?

奥利弗。

Oliver.

奥利弗。给奥利弗打个招呼。我们喜欢在节目里给狗狗们打call。

Oliver. Shout out Oliver. We like to shout out the dogs on the show. In

不过某种程度上，我说对了，因为猫有九条命而狗有两条命，这意味着她其实有两条狗。

a way though, I was right because cats have nine lives and therefore dogs have two lives, which means she has two dogs.

不对。这意味着你有超过20个Squishmallow。所以这是你的收藏品，对吧？大家总是送你更多Squishmallow吗？

Incorrect. That means you have more than 20 Squishmallows. So this is something you collect. Yes? People always get you more Squishmallows?

是啊。我阿姨几乎每天来看我的时候都会送我一个。

Yeah. My aunt just gives it to me like every single day she comes.

哇。你的卧室还有地方放这么多Squishmallow吗？

Wow. Is there any room in your bedroom for all these Squishmallows?

哦，当然。我还有好多空间呢。

Oh, yeah. I still have a lot more.

你快没地方放了吧。

You're running out of space.

才没有。我空间多的是

No. I have a lot

还有地方。

more room.

哦，为了更多。让阿姨知道我们还有

Oh, for more. Let the aunt know we have a

很多

lot more

空间。我们甚至不会触及我不喜欢泰勒·斯威夫特这一点。我猜你只是不喜欢她的歌，不一定是她这个人，对吧？我们这不是在针对个人进行攻击。

room. And we won't even touch the I don't like Taylor Swift. I'm guessing that means you don't like her songs, not necessarily her as a person. Right? We're not this is not a personal character attack here.

是啊，我知道。我不是她的粉丝。

Yeah. I know. I'm not a fan of her.

你不是粉丝，不是'霉粉'。你知道吗？向她致敬，她有勇气公开说出来。所以让我们拥抱差异吧。

You're not a fan. You're not a Swifty. You know what? Hats off, and she's brave enough to say it, world. So let's embrace difference.

顺便说一句，我觉得泰勒会没事的。

And by the way, I think Taylor's gonna be okay.

当凯莉走进房间时，我就知道她是个麻烦。

I knew Callie was trouble when she walked in the room.

这样可不好。

That's not nice.

我觉得丽莎是个麻烦。

I think Lisa's trouble.

绝对没错。百分之百。好了。干得好，卡莉。看你撒谎这么在行，我猜你在这个游戏里会表现得很出色。

That's absolutely. 100%. Alright. Well done, Callie. I'm guessing you're gonna do very well at this game given how well you fibbed.

那么我们现在要准备识别更多关于美西螈的谎言了。卡莉，这种动物你熟悉吗？

So we are going to now get ready to identify some more fibs about axolotls. Is this an animal that you're familiar with, Callie?

是啊。它们是我最喜欢的动物之一。没错。

Yeah. They're one of my favorite animals. Yeah.

真的吗？天啊。太棒了。好吧。如果要我打赌，我敢说卡莉在这里会表现得非常出色。

Really? Oh my gosh. That's great. So okay. If I had to bet, I'm just gonna say Callie's gonna do really well here.

这就是我的预测。我就是这么想的。好了。现在该欢迎我们的美西螈专家了。丽莎，能请给我们的美西螈专家来段欢迎音乐吗？

That's just my bet. That's what I'm thinking. Alright. Well, it's time to welcome our axolotl experts. Lisa, can we please get some welcome music for our axolotl experts?

好的。

Sure.

谢谢。

Thanks.

哦，它们是酷炫的蝾螈。如果它们

Oh, they're cool salamanders. If they make a

非常感谢。好的。我们的第一位专家是普拉贾格·穆拉瓦拉。普拉贾格，请向卡莉介绍一下你自己。

Thank you so much. Alright. Our first expert is Prajag Murawala. Prajag, please introduce yourself to Kali.

你好，卡莉。我是普拉亚格·穆拉瓦拉，我是沙漠山岛生物实验室的助理教授，我的实验室研究蝾螈如何再生身体部位。

Hi, Kali. I am Prayag Murawala. I'm an assistant professor at Mount Desert Island Biological Laboratory, and my lab studies how axolotl regrowth their body parts.

哇。好的。非常感谢。我们的下一位专家是安东尼娅·拉莫斯。安东尼娅，请向卡莉介绍一下你自己。

Whoo. Okay. Thank you very much. Our next expert is Antonia Ramos. Antonia, please introduce yourself to Callie.

你好，卡莉。我叫安东尼娅·拉莫斯，是一名肝脏病学家。我在新英格兰水族馆做了很多关于蝾螈和其他野生动物的教育工作。

Hi, Callie. My name is Antonia Ramos, and I'm a hepatologist. I do a lot of work educating folks about axolotls and other wildlife at the New England Aquarium.

非常感谢。

Thank you very much.

Droppy lickers热。

Droppy lickers hot.

好的。丽莎，给我们讲讲那首堪比吉尔伯特与沙利文的曲子吧。

Okay. Tell us about that tune worthy of Gilbert and Sullivan, Lisa.

那是歌剧风格的曲调

That is the operatic tune of

热座时间到了。

hot seat time.

是的。现在是热座时间，我们将让专家们在回答卡莉的问题时坐上热座。丽莎，我们先让谁上热座？

Yes. It's hot seat time, and that's when we put our experts on the hot seat while they answer Callie's questions. Lisa, whom shall we put on the hot seat first?

安东尼娅·拉莫斯。因为如果你重新排列她名字的字母，会得到'罗马尼亚燕麦'，这是我最喜欢的第三种燕麦。

Antonia Ramos. Because if you rearrange the letters in her name, you get Romanian oats, which are my third favorite kind of oats.

好的，我们得检查一下你的拼写，不过没关系。凯莉，你对安东尼娅的第一个问题是什么？

K. We're gonna have to check your spelling, but that's fair enough. Callie, what is your first question for Antonia?

你每天的工作内容是什么？

What do you do in your job every day?

好问题。我在新英格兰水族馆工作，负责公众教育。当游客团体来参观时，我会带领很多导览团，向他们介绍我们馆内各种两栖动物的相关知识。

Good question. Since I'm working at the New England Aquarium and educating folks, I lead a lot of tours as groups come in and they want to learn more information about the different amphibious animals we have, I share that to them.

非常好，非常感谢。凯莉，你想问普拉亚格同样的问题吗？好的。

Very good. Thank you very much. Kelly, would you like to ask Prayag that same question? Yeah. Okay.

普拉亚格，该你了。

Over to you, Prayag.

谢谢凯莉。作为研究员，我拥有自己的实验室，主要负责指导博士生开展研究工作。我们会共同探索美西螈肢体再生的奥秘。

Thank you, Kelly. So since I'm a researcher and I have a lab, I supervise PhD students to conduct how to do research. And I teach them or we try to understand how do axolotls regrow their body parts.

哇，这个话题我得好好研究一下。

Whew. I have to dive into that.

安东尼娅，这是给你的。关于蝾螈的身体或栖息地，最有趣的是什么？

Antonia, this is for you. What are the most interesting things about axolotls' body or habitat?

对我来说，最神奇的是它们能再生身体的许多不同部位。很多类似的动物或许能重新长出尾巴，但蝾螈甚至能再生部分大脑，这真的太酷了。哇。

I think for me, it's their ability to regenerate so many different parts of their body. A lot of other similar animals might be able to regrow a tail, but axolotls can even regrow parts of their brains, which is really cool. Wow.

非常酷。

Very cool.

普拉亚格，这个问题是给你的。要想把蝾螈当宠物养，你需要准备些什么？

Prayag, this one's for you. What would you need to have for an axolotl to be your pet?

这有点难。嗯，它们是水生动物，所以我需要一个水族箱来装它们和水。然后它们需要一些叶子躲在后面。我还得准备它们吃的食物，它们可能吃小动物和小鱼之类的食物。

That's a difficult one. Well, they are water animals, so I need a tank so that I can put these animals in a tank and water. And then they need some leaves so they can hide behind them. And then I would love to have some food that they eat, so which is they eat probably small animals and small fish, so the food.

非常好。

Very good.

你还需要在冬天给它准备一件可爱的小毛衣。

You also need, like, a cute little sweater for the winter.

听起来不错。

That sounds good.

不，我觉得在水里行不通。也许可以试试毛绒玩具。好吧，继续。

No. I don't think that would work in the water. Maybe some squishmallows. Okay. Go

前进，Gallop。是的。

ahead, Gallop. Yeah.

这个是给你们俩的。蝾螈能教会我们什么？

This one's for both of you. What can axolotls teach us?

只需19.99美元，蝾螈就能教你代数；25.75美元，蝾螈还能帮你换车胎。这里是蝾螈学校。

For $19.99, you can have an axolotl teach you algebra for $25.75. You can have an axolotl change your car tires. It's axolotl school.

我觉得这不是正确答案。

I don't think that's the answer.

哦等等，抱歉。刚才不是对我说的。

Oh, wait. Sorry. That wasn't for me.

不。

No.

正如安东尼娅提到的，蝾螈非常擅长再生身体部位。我想如果我们能学会它们如何重新长出腿，也许我们就能开始让人类重新长出腿来。

So the axolotls, as Antonia mentioned, are excellent at regenerating body parts. I think if we learn how they regrow their legs, maybe we can start regrowing legs in humans.

哇。或者可能长出更多的腿。

Woah. Or maybe more legs.

超过两条吗？

More than two?

天啊。我们可能会有八九条腿。

Oh my gosh. We could have eight or nine legs.

哦，不。哦，天哪。

Oh, no. Oh, gosh.

你们人类终于可以有八九条腿了。

You humans could have eight or nine legs finally.

哦，我不太确定这个。不过好吧。很好。你呢，安东尼娅？你同意吗？

Oh, I don't know about that. But okay. Very good. How about you, Antonia? Do you agree?

所以我

So I

完全同意。就像我提到的，这是我最喜欢它们的地方。而且已经进行了一些非常有趣的实验，甚至将x模型送入太空，观察它们的身体如何适应那种环境，试图精确找出是什么让它们能够再生。这对理解零重力如何影响体内不同过程真的非常非常有帮助。

absolutely agree. Like I mentioned, that's my favorite thing about them. And there have been some really interesting experiments that have happened, even putting an x model in space to see how their bodies react to that environment and seeing how we can really pinpoint what exactly is allowing them to regenerate. So that's really, really helpful for understanding how zero gravity influences different processes in the body.

这个问题也是问你们两位的。你们在工作中有遇到过什么可怕或令人惊讶的事吗？

This is also for both of you. Has anything scary or surprising happened to you on your job?

你知道吗，有一天我带了一只大蝾螈和一只小蝾螈。我回到工作台，五分钟后回来时，发现大的那只正在活吞小的那只。小的那只只有尾巴还露在它嘴巴外面扭动。

You know, one day I brought one big axolotl and one baby axolotl. And I go back to my bench, and then five minutes later, when I come to this axolotl, I find that the big one is eating the small one alive. Only the tail of the small one is coming out of its mouth and wiggling.

你救它了吗？

Did you save it?

没有。它已经被吞进肚子里了。

No. It was already in its belly.

哦，哦不。那真是个悲伤的故事。

Oh. Oh, no. That's a sad sad story.

她确实要求讲恐怖故事。

She did ask for scary stories.

确实如此。这是事实。这很公平。我认为不该收费。确实如此。

She did. That's true. That's fair. I think not up the bill. It is.

我同意。

I agree.

这确实可能发生。这也是个非常悲伤的故事，因为我遇到的事故涉及几位不同的护理员和清洁工在场，发生了意外泄漏。只能说，这也导致了一只蝾螈的悲惨死亡。

That can definitely happen. It's also a very kind of sad story because the one that I have has to do with an incident where there were some different caregivers and cleaners in the space and there was an accidental spillage. And let's just say, it also ended up with the sad demise of an axolotl.

哦，不。太悲伤了。

Oh, no. So sad.

哦。这个

Oh. This

这是关于悲伤的一集。我

is the grief episode. I

知道。失去确实存在。这很令人难过。好吧，凯莉。你有什么更开心的问题吗？

know. Well, loss does exist. This is very sad. Okay, Callie. Do you have a happier question?

工作中有什么让你发笑的事情吗？

Is there anything that made you laugh at your job?

是啊。笑。让我们稍微提提精神。好吧。

Yeah. Laugh. Let's bring it up a little. Okay.

而且不应该是同一个故事。

And it shouldn't be the same story.

不，不。对我来说，它们看起来像是在微笑和开心，尽管实际上并不是，这挺有趣的。我有个朋友养了只六角恐龙放在家里。观察它如何互动真的很有意思。

No. No. I think for me, the fact that they look like they're smiling and happy even though they're not is pretty funny. I have a friend who ended up getting an axolotl and putting it in her home. And it's been really interesting to see how it interacts.

有时候它会想跟着你的手指或者看着你，有时候又会躲到角落里。我觉得这真的很可爱。

Sometimes it wants to like, you know, follow your finger or look at you and sometimes it goes and hides in the corner. And I think that's really cute.

啊，太好了。好的。这样好多了。好的。谢谢。

Aw, sweet. Okay. That's better. Okay. Thank you.

我完全同意安东尼娅的看法。它们总是笑眯眯的，已经成为大家的最爱。所以我们每年都会举办一次家庭之夜，像你们这样的孩子过来，我们会让一位同事穿上服装四处走动，让孩子们开心。

I completely agree with Antonia. They are so smiley. They have become so favorite of everyone. So what we do is every year, we host a family night. And then kids like you come over, and then we make one of our colleague wear the suit and walk around so that kids can have fun.

我不知道还有六角恐龙服装。这是万圣节时能在网上买到的东西吗？

I didn't know there was an axolotl suit. Is this something that we can get online for Halloween?

哦，黛博拉，你得穿上它。

Oh, Deborah, you gotta wear it.

我会的。我太喜欢这个主意了。这是现成能买到的，还是有人自己制作的？

I will. I love this idea. Is that readily available, or does somebody make that themselves?

有现成的，你可以在谷歌上搜索到。

They are available. You can look it up on Google.

好的。大家都听到了吧。

Okay. You heard it here.

我们得为水族馆的工作人员准备那个。我想孩子们会喜欢的。

We need to get that for the folks at the aquarium. I think the kids would love that.

我同意。又多了一个去水族馆的理由。我很喜欢。好的。这些问题太棒了，答案也像坐过山车一样让人情绪起伏。

I agree. More reason to go to the aquarium. I love it. Okay. Those were fantastic questions and quite an emotional rollercoaster of answers.

好了，现在是'火线短答'环节，我们的专家需要在时间耗尽前回答尽可能多的问题。丽莎会为第一位专家设置计时器，然后卡莉会在丽莎的计时器响起时提问。接着丽莎会为下一位专家重置计时器重复流程。专家们，你们需要调动全部思维敏捷性来快速作答。

Alright. It's time for the shorts on fire round when our experts have to answer as many questions as they can before time runs out. Lisa will set a timer for the first expert, and then Callie will ask questions to Lisa's timer sounds. Then Lisa resets the timer for our next expert to do the same. Experts, you'll need all the mental agility to answer quickly.

好的，卡莉，我们从普拉亚格开始。你现在可以开始提问'火线短答'的问题了。

Okay. Callie, we're gonna start with Prayag. You can ask your shorts on fire questions now.

开始。蝾螈生活在咸水还是淡水中？

Go. Do axolotls live in saltwater or freshwater?

淡水。

Freshwater.

蝾螈的另一个常见名称是什么？

What is another common name for an axolotl?

水犬，杰瑞。

Water dog, Jerry.

哪种动物是蝾螈的近亲？

Which animal is the closest relative to the axolotl?

青蛙。

Frog.

蝾螈的手上有几根手指？四根。蝾螈需要多长时间才能再生四肢和器官？

How many fingers are on an axolotl's hands? Four. How long does it take for an axolotl to regrow its limbs and organs?

两个月。

Two months.

说出一个墨西哥的湖泊名称，它们生活在那里。

Name a lake in Mexico where live.

霍奇米尔科。

Xochimilco.

第五个因素。蝾螈只能在水里生活和呼吸。正确。墨西哥那些供蝾螈繁殖的人工浮岛叫什么名字？

Factor five. Axolotls can only live and breathe in the water. True. What are the names of the artificial floating islands in Mexico where axolotls can breed?

奇南帕。

Chinampa.

哪款电子游戏在2021年添加了蝾螈角色以提高人们对它们的关注？

Which video game added an axolotl character in 2021 to raise awareness about them?

《我的世界》。

Minecraft.

蝾螈最长能长到多少？

How long can axolotls grow to be?

25厘米。

25 centimeter.

蝾螈吃的一种东西是什么？

What is one thing that axolotls eat?

鱼。其他蝾螈。

Fish. Other axolotls.

然后好吧。时间。时间真糟糕。好吧。

And then okay. Time. Time is awful. Okay.

就这些时间了。

That's all the time.

非常好。哇哦。好的。干得好。丽莎，能请你重置计时器吗？

Very good. Whoo. Alright. Well done. Can we please reset the timer, Lisa?

你知道吗，黛博拉？我本来打算今天剩下的时间都休息的，但我会为你破例帮这个忙。

You know what, Deborah? I wasn't going I was gonna take the rest of the day off, but I'm gonna do it for you as a favor.

噢。太感谢了。真的很感激。

Aw. Thank you so much. Really appreciate it.

你是

You're

欢迎。好的，卡莉。你可以向安东尼娅提出你的《Shorts on Fire》问题

welcome. Okay, Callie. You can ask Antonia your Shorts on Fire questions

现在提问。蝾螈的名字来源于哪位阿兹特克神？沙拉丁。蝾螈在冷水中会怎样？

now. The name of axolotl comes from which Aztec god? Shaladi. What happens to axolotls in colder water?

它们真的就喜欢保持静止不动。

They really just like to stay still.

蝾螈能活多久？

How long can axolotls live?

最长可达二十年。

Up to twenty years.

墨西哥银行将蝾螈图案印在了哪种新比索纸币上？

The Bank of Mexico put a picture of an axolotl on which new peso bill?

过。

Pass.

列举两个禁止将蝾螈作为宠物饲养的州。

Name two states where it is against the law to keep axolotls as pets.

加利福尼亚州和罗德岛州。

California and Rhode Island.

雌性蝾螈一次能产多少卵？

How many eggs can a female lay at one time?

大约400枚左右。

Like 400 around.

蝾螈最常见的颜色是什么？棕色。科学家曾将蝾螈送入太空。

What's the most common color of axolotl? Brown. Scientists sent axolotls into space.

事实。

Fact.

野生蝾螈的数量有多少？

How many axolotls are in the wild?

价格不等，但不超过一千。

It ranges, but it's not more than a thousand.

列举蝾螈濒危的原因之一。污染。蝾螈的游泳速度有多快？

Name one of the reasons axolotls are endangered. Pollution. How fast can axolotls swim?

最快可达每小时15英里。

Up to 15 miles per hour.

时间到了。

And that is time.

时间结束了。

That's all the time.

非常棒。一直说'蝾螈'这个词挺难的，对吧卡莉？我觉得你表现得真的很出色。

Very good. It's hard to say axolotl all the time. Isn't it, Callie? I think you're doing a really great job.

这很简单。

It's easy.

哦，很简单。她应该是个蝾螈专家。好了，是时候做决定了。卡莉回答了关于蝾螈的问题，希望她有足够的信息来识别出说谎的人。

Oh, it's easy. She should be an axolotl expert. Alright. It is decision time. Callie did axolotl questions and hopefully has enough information to identify our fibber.

卡莉，谁是我们当中最大的蝾螈骗子？普雷亚格。哇哦，你为什么认为普雷亚格是骗子？

Callie, who is our big axolotl fibber? Preyag. Woah. Why do you think preyag is our fibber?

因为他说蝾螈吃鱼，而它们其实吃的是蠕虫。他还说鱼是蝾螈最近的亲戚之类的。

Because he said axolotls eat fish and they eat types of worms. And he also said that, like, a fish is, like, the closest relative to the axolotl.

他说是青蛙。他说的是青蛙。

He said a frog. He said the frog.

哦，青蛙，但实际上应该是蝾螈。

Oh, the frog, and then it was actually a salamander.

我听说是六足蝾螈。

I heard it was sexipom.

不，卡莉现在说的是事实，或者说她所知道的事实。我们要先确认谁是真正的专家，然后查清这些说法的真相。所以请我们真正的蝾螈专家说一句：'我是蝾螈专家'好吗？

No. Callie's going with facts here or the facts that she knows of. So we're going identify who our expert is and then get to the bottom of these statements. So can our actual axolotl expert please say, I am the axolotl expert?

我是蝾螈专家。

I am the axolotl expert.

哦，没错。Preyag Murawala博士是Mount Desert Island生物实验室的助理教授，他的实验室研究蝾螈如何再生身体部位，这想法本身就够疯狂的，但确实是真的。所以我们要做些事实核查。我想我们需要从最亲近的亲属这个话题开始。Prag，你能谈谈关于最亲近亲属的说法，告诉我们真相是什么吗？

Oh, that is correct. Doctor Preyag Murawala is an assistant professor at Mount Desert Island Biological Laboratory, and his lab studies how axolotls regrow their body parts, which is crazy to even think about, but it's true. So we're gonna do some fact checking. I think we need to start with this first topic of the closest relative. So, Prag, could you speak to the closest relative statement and let us know what is actually true?

青蛙真的是最亲近的亲属吗？

Is the frog the closest relative, really?

Kelly在这点上完全正确。蝾螈比青蛙更接近蝾螈。这个问题总是主观的，取决于你把蝾螈和什么比较。这决定了谁是最亲近的亲属。即使在蝾螈中，Ambystoma tigrinum与蝾螈的亲缘关系最近。

So Kelly is absolutely right here. Salamanders are more closer to axolotl compared to frog. The question is always subjective depending upon what you are comparing axolotl with. That's what determines who are the closest relative. So even within salamander, then the Ambystoma tigrinum, they are the most closest to axolotl.

然后是更广泛的蝾螈家族，接着是青蛙——虽然青蛙和蝾螈都是两栖动物。这就是为什么我说青蛙是最亲近的亲属。如果你把它和鱼或老鼠比较，那么青蛙肯定比老鼠或人类更接近蝾螈。

And then comes the broader salamander family, and then comes the frog, which are both frog and axolotl both are amphibians. So this is why I say that frog is the closest relative. If you compare it to fish or mouse, then definitely frog are more closer to axolotl compared to mouse or human, for example.

好的。明白了。懂了。

Right. Sure. Okay. Understood. Okay.

这很棘手。我们理解这里的困惑。我也会有同样的想法。让我们看看其他说法，再做些事实核查。Prag，Antonia说了什么让她被认定为在撒谎？

That is tricky. So we understand the confusion here. I would have said the same. So let's figure out some of these other statements and do some more fact checking. Prag, what did Antonia say that made her guilty of fibbing?

她说蝾螈每小时能游15英里。实际上它们最多只能游10英里左右。15英里有点夸张了。通常这些动物不会游那么快，也不会游太久。它们只在附近活动。

So she said that axolotl can swim 15 miles an hour. The fact is they can achieve roughly up to 10 miles an hour. 15 is a bit too much. And normally, these animals don't swim that fast and for too long. They only travel nearby.

明白了。好的。非常棒。那它们在冷水里会怎样？它们真的会冻僵吗？

Got it. Okay. Very good. And what about what happens to them in colder water? Is it true that they just freeze there?

它们是静止不动还是继续游动？

They stand still or swim still?

虽然这个说法部分正确，当温度较低时，这种动物的活动确实会减少。所以这个答案不算完全错误。但更有趣的事实是，当你降低温度时，它们的生长速度会变慢。比如你把一只养在某个温度，另一只养在45度左右，一个月后你会发现前者比后者大两倍。

While that is partially right, when the temperature is lower, then the animal does show less movement. So it's not a complete wrong answer. But the fact is the more interesting fact is rather that when you lower the temperature, then their growth slows down. So let's say if you keep one animal at and you keep another at roughly, then one month later, you will find that the one that was kept at is twice as large as compared to the one at 45.

哇。

Wow.

家长们，别用你们的孩子做这种实验。这仅适用于蝾螈。

Parents, do not attempt this with your children. This is only for axolotls.

好建议。哇。谢谢。太不可思议了。好的。

Good advice. Wow. Thank you. That's incredible. Okay.

那么，安东尼娅，安东尼娅，你分享了什么揭示了你真实性的节俭之处？

So, Antonia, Antonia, what did you share that revealed the frugality of your veracity?

我提到但这里没说的是，有两个州法律禁止将蝾螈作为宠物，加利福尼亚州是对的，但罗德岛州错了。另一个州是虚荣的。

One thing that I said that wasn't mentioned here was that the two states where it's against the law to keep axolotls as pets, California is right, but Rhode Island is wrong. The other state is vain.

没错。而且你确实提到了墨西哥银行比索钞票。蝾螈印在50比索的钞票上，价值约2.5美元。这是2021年10月的事。还有其他遗漏的吗，安东尼娅，我们都讲完了吗？

That is correct. And you did pass on the Bank of Mexico peso bill. The axolotl is on the 50 peso bill, which is worth about $2.50. And that happened in October 2021. Were there any others, Antonia, did we cover all of them?

我认为我们已经全部涵盖了。

I believe we've covered all of them.

确实如此。非常好。还有个关于吃鱼的问题对吧？凯莉，那个问题是什么来着？

We did. Very good. There was a question too about eating fish. Right? What was the question, Kelly?

我想它们吃的是，比如不同种类的蠕虫之类的。

I think they eat, like, different types of worms or something.

好的。那么，普拉亚格，你能就此说明一下吗？这是否意味着蝾螈确实吃鱼和蠕虫，还是说这里存在什么混淆？

Right. So, Prayag, could you speak to that, please? Does that mean that axolotls do eat fish and worms, or where was the confusion here?

凯莉又说对了。蝾螈确实吃蠕虫，但它们也吃鱼。通常它们会吃任何比它们小且能塞进嘴里的活体动物。只要能进嘴，它们就会吃掉。

So Kelly is right again. The axolotls do eat worms, but they also eat fish. So they normally eat any living animals that are generally smaller than them and that can fit into their mouth. As long as it will fit into the mouth, they will eat it.

这也是我的原则。

That's my policy too.

对吧？好吧，真疯狂。蝾螈是种疯狂的动物，对吧？

Right? Okay. Crazy. An axolotl is a crazy animal. Right?

这太神奇了，非常酷。但它们确实能再生身体部位。普拉亚格，我们真的认为这能应用到人体上，学会如何再生器官吗？

This is amazing. Very cool. But they do regrow their body parts. And so do we really think, Prayag, that we will be able to apply this to the human body and learn how to regrow parts?

蝾螈另一个有趣的特点是受伤后从不形成纤维化疤痕。人类受伤后会留下纤维化疤痕，但这些动物永远不会。我们相信通过研究蝾螈如何再生身体部位和组织，就能解决纤维化疤痕问题。

So one of the other interesting fact about axolotl is they never form fibrotic scars upon injury. So when we as a human have wound injuries, then we form fibrotic scars, but these animals never form it. So we do believe that by understanding how axolotl is able to regenerate their body parts and structures, we will be able to solve the problem of fibrotic scarring.

哇，太酷了。继续保持，希望这一天早日到来。我喜欢这个，我也想养只蝾螈当宠物。

Wow. That's so cool. Keep up the good Let's hope that happens soon. I love that. I think I would like an axolotl as a pet also.

好了，虽然很精彩，但我们现在已经被事实塞得满满当当了。感谢卡莉的出色工作，谢谢我们的专家兼骗子普拉格和安东尼娅，还有技术永远精准的丽莎。当然还要感谢收听《大谎言》的听众们，在这里我们传播幼虫般的事实，坚决拒绝谎言。

Okay. Well, that was amazing, but we are stuffed to the gills with facts now. Thanks to Callie for a glorious job. Thank you to our expert and liar, Prague and Antonia, and thanks to Lisa who is always as technically on point. And, of course, many thanks to our listeners tuning into the Big Fib where we larval facts and absolutely reject and and lies.

《大谎言》是Z世代媒体的作品。想看更多精彩节目，何不访问gzmshows.com？快去吧。访问网站。在那里你可以了解如何成为《大谎言》的参赛者，或者发送问题让我在节目中回答。

The Big Fib is a production of Gen Z media. For more great shows, why don't you visit gzmshows.com? Come on. Visit them. While you're there, you can find out how you can become a contestant on the Big Fib or send questions for me to answer on the show.

同时在社交媒体上关注《大谎言播客》，获取幕后花絮照片和更多真实趣闻。现在我要彻底弄清楚蝾螈是如何再生四肢的。

And follow us on social media at the Big Fib Podcast for behind the scenes photos and more true facts. And now I'm gonna figure out once and for all how axolotls regrow their limbs.

祝你好运。

Good luck with that.

嘿。嘿。你怎么样

Hey. Hey. How are

做到的？你是怎么做到的？告诉我。快点。告诉我。

you doing that? How are you doing that? Tell me. Come on. Tell me.

告诉我。你在播客里让我看起来很傻。快点。求你了，告诉我。

Tell me. You make me look silly on the podcast. Come on. Tell me, please.

所以我会给你一些

So I'll give you some

我会给你一些鱼棉花糖。

I'll give you some fishmallows.

想获取更多精彩剧集，请访问gzmshows.com。

For more awesome pots, go to gzmshows.com.

嘘，要开始了。

Shh. It's starting.

GZM剧集，想象力的放大器。

GZM Shows, imagination amplified.

大家好，我是杰西。想在万圣节期间猎杀吸血鬼吗？听听米娜和露西的指南

Hello. It's Jess again. Looking to hunt some vampires this Halloween season? Listen to Mina and Lucy's guide

了解一群孩子如何对抗大批吸血鬼的故事。通过收听全部20集来消磨时间并消灭吸血鬼。在Apple播客上关注米娜和露西的《猎杀德古拉指南》，或访问gzmshows.com获取更多信息。让GZM成为你万圣节传统的一部分。

to slaying Dracula to find out what happens when a bunch of kids fight a whole bunch of vampires, kill some time, and some vampires by binging all 20 episodes. Follow Mina and Lucy's guide to slaying Dracula on Apple podcasts, or for more information, go to gzmshows.com. And make g z m a part of your Halloween tradition.