周日特辑：2025年最佳电影

我去了一家普通的阿拉莫啤酒屋看电影，当时我坐了下来

I went to a normal, like, Alamo draft house to see it, and I was seated

你喝点什么吗？

Do you have anything to to drink?

我喝了几小杯啤酒。

I had a I had a few small beers.

好的。

Okay.

很好。

Good.

坐回去。

Seed back.

我坐在一群我不认识的人中间。

And I was seated between a bunch of people I didn't know.

我只是自己一个人去的。

Just I was I went by myself.

所以我坐在一群女士中间，她们一直在尖叫，这其实是看这部电影最好的方式。

So I was between all these ladies and they were screaming, which was really the best way to see it.

但后来我去了一家本地的葡萄酒酒吧，他们说要扔道具，结果真的这么做了。

But then I went I was at my local wine bar, and they were like, we're gonna throw weapons on, which they did.

于是房间里似乎所有人都没看过这部电影，只有我看过。

And so everyone in the room seemed to have not seen it except me.

我能看出来。

And I can tell

我告诉你，这也是看这部电影的绝佳方式。

you that is also a great way to see it.

天啊。

Oh my god.

这太愉快了。

It was delightful.

艾莉莎，你的观影体验是最好的，而且都涉及小杯啤酒或小杯葡萄酒。

Alyssa, you have the best movie going experiences, and they all involve small beers or small wines or small wines.

我不幸在飞机上看了，因为我对恐怖片特别胆小。

I unfortunately saw it on the airplane because I'm super I'm super chicken when it comes to scary movies.

所以我当时

So I was

我觉得我得看看。

like, I gotta watch it.

但这次，

But in this case,

我会没事的。

I'll I'll be fine.

然后我也想尖叫。

And then I was wanting to scream too.

但我一直憋着没叫出来。

And but I kept it all tamped down.

我的意思是，这部电影有很多有趣的地方，它虽然是一部所谓的恐怖片，但实际上主要是一部悬疑惊悚片，只包含一些恐怖元素。

I mean, the the the one of many interesting things about this film is that it's a horror movie in quotes, but it's actually it's mostly just a suspense mystery that has a couple of horrific elements.

有几个惊吓桥段。

There are a couple of jump scares.

其实没那么多。

They're actually not that many.

然后，某种程度上，结局有一种宏大的推车式收尾。

And then, you know, there's sort of a grand gurneyal ending in a sense.

但很多部分只是让人疑惑：发生了什么？

But a lot of this is just sort of like, what is happening?

到底发生了什么？

What is going on?

这些孩子去哪儿了？

Where did these kids disappear to?

是的。

Yes.

是的。

Yes.

扎克·克雷格的背景也是喜剧，我觉得这在电影中表现得非常明显。

And Zach Kreger's background is in comedy too, which I think really comes out in this film.

节奏简直完美。

Just the timing is impeccable.

还有一个场景，我不想剧透，但有一个涉及门和剪刀的场景，所有时机都恰到好处。

There's a scene again, I don't wanna spoil it, but there's a scene involving a door and some scissors where everybody the timing is just it's perfect.

就像所有事情发生的方式，你完全被带入了。

Like, the way everything happens, you you're spun up.

我的意思是，我已经看过几次了，每次都是这样，

I I mean, I've seen it a couple times, and both times,

我当时就想，

I was like,

你知道的？

you know?

我还以为你要说的是注射器的那个场景。

I thought you were gonna say the scene with the syringes.

嗯，其实也没多少。

Well, there's not too.

好的。

Okay.

也许这是一部恐怖片。

Maybe it is a horror movie.

我的意思是，它确实是。

I mean, it it is.

你知道吗，《野蛮人》也是我看过最吓人的电影之一。

You know, barbarian also was is one of the most terrifying movies I've ever seen.

所以，但你知道，喜剧和恐怖只是两个方面。

So the but, you know, comedy and horror are just two sides of the

如果我没记错的话，那部电影的结尾既恐怖又搞笑。

if I'm recalling correctly, the the end of that movie is terrifying and hilarious at the same time.

是的。

Yes.

是的。

Yeah.

这是一部既恐怖又搞笑的电影。

It is a terrifying and hilarious movie.

所以，是的，如果你知道如何让人笑，你就知道如何让人尖叫。

So, yeah, if you know how to make people laugh, you know how to make them scream.

所以

So

好的。

Alright.

我们休息一下。

Let's take a little break.

回来后，我们将讨论女巫，善良的和邪恶的。

And when we come back, we're going to talk about witches, good ones and wicked ones.

我们将讨论今年的大片之一《阿凡达：火与灰》，甚至可能聊聊一些你还没听说或没机会看的好电影。

We're gonna talk about Avatar Fire and Ash, one of the big movies of the year that has just come out, and we might even talk about some great movies that you haven't heard about yet or haven't had a chance to see.

我们马上回来。

We'll be back in a second.

嘿。

Hey.

我是《纽约时报烹饪》的沃恩·布雷兰德。

It's Vaughn Breland from New York Times Cooking.

寒冷的天气来了，我不是气象学家，但我认为天气预报建议你和我们一起烘焙。

Colder weather is here, and I'm no meteorologist, but I think the forecast says you should bake with us.

几乎任何蛋糕都可以做成单碗蛋糕。

Almost any cake can be turned into a one bowl cake.

没有什么比刚从烤箱里出炉的牛角面包更好了。

There's nothing better than a freshly baked croissant for my oven.

天哪。

Oh my god.

我可以

I can

吃掉五十亿个这样的东西。

eat 5,000,000,000 of these.

那是一个布朗尼蛋糕。

That is a brownie.

它们看起来巧克力味十足，非常美味。

They look so chocolatey and delicious.

别害怕。

Don't be afraid.

这个食谱非常宽容，容错率高。

This is so forgiving.

这些是豪华饼干。

These are deluxe cookies.

你们想试试吗？

Do you guys wanna try this?

烘焙很有趣。

Baking is fun.

烘焙是一种魔法。

Baking is magic.

在《纽约时报》烹饪频道，我们可以帮助你烘焙出梦想中的那一炉点心，比如完美的布朗尼或一生中最酥脆的饼干。

At New York Times Cooking, we can help you bake the batch of your dreams, like the perfect brownie or the flakiest biscuit of your life.

所以，来 nytcoking.com 和我们一起烘焙吧。

So come bake with us at nytcooking.com.

那么，妮可，我们一直在谈论华纳兄弟。

So, Nicole, we've been talking a lot about Warner Brothers.

我们之前在讨论电影方面，他们那一年表现如何，但事实上，对许多其他制片公司和电影来说，这一年整体上也挺糟糕的，尤其是秋季。

We were talking about movie wise, how great their year was, but it it actually has been at the same time a bit of a crummy year and certainly a crummy fall for many other studios, many other movies.

你知道吗，我们的同事布鲁克斯·巴恩斯在今年秋季中期写了一篇文章，说十月简直是惨到极点。

You know, our colleague Brooks Barnes wrote a story in mid fall about how October was just just the the bust of all busts.

你知道，这是近三十年来票房最差的十月。

You know, it's the worst October at the box office in almost thirty years.

你有《砸烂机器》、莫名其妙的第三部《电子世界争霸战》、《斯普林斯汀》电影、《跑男》、《屋顶人》之类的电影，这些片子都有明星出演，结果全都惨败。

You had movies like the Smashing Machine, a third for some reason, Tron movie, the Springsteen movie, the Running Man, Roof Man, you know, movies that sort of had movie stars and all just sort of went went floppity flop.

那到底发生了什么？

What what happened there?

我的意思是，好莱坞连一点好运都没有。

I mean, Hollywood could not catch a break.

他们往银幕上扔的任何东西都毫无反响。

It was like everything they threw at the screen just didn't stick.

无论是像《创：战纪》这样的大型科幻片，还是像《布鲁斯》这样关于受人喜爱的音乐人的传记片，抑或是由玛格特·罗比、科林·法瑞尔、钱宁·塔图姆、詹妮弗·洛佩兹、奥斯汀·巴特勒、罗伯特·帕丁森、艾玛·斯通、拉塞尔·克劳主演的电影。

Whether it was a big sci fi movie like Tron, whether it was a biopic about a beloved musician like the Springsteen movie, whether it was movies starring Margot Robbie, Colin Farrell, Channing Tatum, Jennifer Lopez, Austin Butler, Robert Pattinson, Emma Stone, Russell Crowe.

想想这些通常能让观众冲进影院的著名影星，结果却部部扑街。

Like, name all these famous movie stars that people usually run out to the theaters to see and nothing hit.

情况真的非常糟糕。

And it was really grim.

我不知道是否有一个单一的解释。

And it it's I don't know if there's one explanation for it.

我认为原因有很多。

I think there's many explanations.

我认为我们正处在一个越来越难吸引人们注意力的时代。

I think we're living in an era where getting people's attention has become harder and harder.

我认为，一旦影评发布，社交媒体就会迅速传播，比如在电影上映前，人们就已经知道它是爆款还是烂片，营销再也无法掩盖这一点。

I think if critic reviews come out, social media spreads super fast, like, you know, if you have a hit or a bomb before something even debuts, marketing can no longer hide that any longer.

电影行业一直以来都是一个非常艰难的行业。

It's just the movie business has always been a really tough business.

这个秋季感觉几乎不可能成功。

This fall felt like it was almost impossible.

是的。

Yeah.

那真是个令人沮丧的秋季，但突然之间，到了感恩节前后，事情发生了变化。

It was it was a bummer fall, but all of a sudden around Thanksgiving time, something happened.

听说人们来到我们的生命中，都是有原因的。

Heard it said that people come into our lives for a reason.

《女巫前传：善》这部音乐剧续集，讲述的是好女巫格琳达和邪恶女巫艾尔法巴的故事，上映后大赚一笔。

Wicked for Good, the sequel to the first musical about, you know, Glenda the Good and and Elphaba, the wicked witch came out and made a ton of money.

它不会像第一部那样赚那么多钱，但这种粉绿色的注入确实为票房带来了急需的活力。

It's not gonna make as much money as the first one, but it was this, you know, pink and green injection into the box office that I feel like it desperately needed.

我们在周日特辑里专门做了一期关于《Wicked For Good》的节目。

We had a whole episode here on the Sunday special about Wicked For Good.

你们俩都没参加那期。

Neither of you were on it.

所以我特别想听听你们的看法，如果有的话。

So I'd love to hear any thoughts if you have them.

我的确没看。

I mean, I did not.

我对它不太感兴趣。

I was not so into it.

我更喜欢第一部，但我也很高兴人们愿意去影院看电影。

I I enjoyed the first one more, but I, you know, am happy about people going to a theater and enjoying a movie.

嗯。

Yeah.

所以

So

这基本上就是我的感受。

that's kind of my feeling.

还有，好几个人跟我评论说，这部片子的营销力度似乎没有上一部那么大。

Also, I had multiple people comment to me that it felt like the marketing push wasn't as big for this one.

正如我向他们指出的，这部片子的营销就是大家看过的上一部电影。

And as I pointed out to them, the marketing for this one is the previous movie that everyone saw.

所以我认为这解释了票房表现。

So I think that accounts for for, you know, box office.

而且这是一部我认为会有持久生命力的电影。

And it is the kind of movie that I think will have legs.

也就是说，人们在假日季期间仍会去看它。

Like, people will still be seeing it into the holiday season.

所以我一直觉得，尤其是艾莉安娜·格兰德在这部电影里特别讨人喜欢。

So I I continue to find Ariana Grande in particular delightful in this movie

还有。

as well.

到目前为止，它在美国已经赚了3亿美元。

And it's made $300,000,000 in The US so far.

所以这并不是

So it's not exactly

所以它表现得很好。

so it's doing great.

也不是失败之作。

And Not a flop.

不是

Not a

完全不是失败。

flop at all.

而且，当涉及到营销时，你如何超越第一部《女巫》电影呢？

And also how do you go bigger than the first Wicked movie when it comes to marketing?

我的意思是，这是一次疯狂的营销推广。

I mean, that was an insane marketing push.

这真的非常了不起。

Like, that was really tremendous.

艾莉莎，你对这部电影的政治内涵怎么看？

Alyssa, what did you think about the politics of the film?

我的意思是，它确实有这些元素。

I mean, it it has them.

我觉得第二部时它变得松散多了。

It it it gets much floppier in the second one, I think.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

我的意思是，这很有趣，因为

I mean, this it's funny because

这些电影非常明确地探讨了法西斯主义。

these are movies kind of very explicitly about fascism.

是的。

Yeah.

我不确定在第二部中是否那么明显。

I don't know if it's as obvious in in the second one.

你有没有像埃尔法巴那样对动物产生共鸣？

Did you feel for the animals in the same way that Elphaba did?

我觉得这是个陷阱。

I feel like I this is a trap.

这不是陷阱。

It's not a trap.

这是一个过渡，哦。

It's a settle for a transition, which is Oh.

来谈谈我们的下一部电影，它是关于动物的。

To talk about our next film, which is about animals.

我对这些动物深有感触，但那种感觉和我对加密货币的感觉不一样。

I felt deeply for the animals, but not the way that I feel about crypto.

加密货币，拼写是K。

Crypto with a k.

我们来谈谈《疯狂动物城2》吧。

Let's talk about Zootopia two.

好的。

Okay.

不幸的是，凯伦把乔尔的微笑视为一种攻击的信号。

Unfortunately, Karen has chosen to see Joel smile as a sign of aggression.

摔倒了吗？

Tackles down?

这部电影在感恩节前上映，天哪，有这么多人去看。

This one came out right before Thanksgiving, and holy cow, so many people went to see it.

我不知道竟然有这么多人等了这么久，就为了看朱迪·霍普斯和尼克狐狸的后续冒险。

I did not know that there were this many people who had been waiting so long, you know, for the the further adventures of Judy Hopps and and and Nick the Fox.

我的家人非常喜爱这部电影，我的孩子们都快不是青少年了。

I mean, it's quite a beloved movie in my household, and my teenagers are almost no longer teenagers.

所以这部电影有种特别的魅力，真的把人们重新吸引回了影院。

So there's something sticky about this movie that really brought people back to the theaters.

你们有没有看过在中国举行的那些放映活动，人们带着宠物一起去影院一起看这部电影？

Did you guys see any of the screenings that were happening in China where they were letting people come to the theaters with their pets and watch it with them.

太棒了。

It's amazing.

我不

I don't

对这件事不知道该怎么想。

know how I feel about that.

我喜欢这个。

I love that.

比如，什么样的动物？

Like, what kind of animals?

什么是什么？

What are what?

我觉得主要是狗。

I think mostly dogs.

马。

Horse.

是的。

Yeah.

我有一只非常大的狗，几乎像一匹小马。

I have a very large dog that almost is like a mini horse.

所以如果它来电影院，那场面一定会很壮观。

So if he had come to the theater, it would have been quite a scene.

猫能安静地坐下来看完一部电影吗？

Can a cat, like, stand stay still for a movie?

它们有这个注意力吗？

Do they have the attention span?

我觉得猫想干什么就干什么。

I I think cats can do whatever they want.

我的意思是，这引出了一个问题，那就是我经常听家长说，儿童电影太少了。

I mean, this does raise something, which is that there it feels like there's I hear this from parents all the time that there aren't enough movies for children

是的。

Yeah.

在影院里更是如此。

Ever in theaters.

许多家长似乎迫切想找些事情和孩子一起做，尤其是天气不好时，看电影是个不错的选择。

And it seems like many parents are desperate to have something to do with their kids, especially when the weather is bad, and a movie is a nice thing to go do.

每次影院上映一部还过得去的儿童电影，它都能赚大钱，但每个人都对此感到惊讶。

And every time there's, like, a halfway passably decent movie for kids in the theaters, it makes a ton of money, and everyone seems really surprised by this.

但我觉得我小时候，每周都有新的儿童电影在影院上映。

But I feel like when I was a kid, there was a movie a new kid's movie in the theater, like, every weekend.

没错。

And Yeah.

你知道吗，它们在哪？

There you know, where are they?

我不知道。

I don't I don't know.

《疯狂动物城》为迪士尼带来了巨大成功，而迪士尼今年的业绩可谓起伏不定。

So Zootopia has been great for Disney, which has had a a bit of an up and down year.

这个月还有一部规模巨大的迪士尼电影——《阿凡达：火与灰》，这是詹姆斯·卡梅隆的潘多拉系列电影的第三部。

And and this month is another huge, huge, huge sort of Disney film, Avatar Fire and Ash, the third film in James Cameron's super colorful Pandora set series of films.

我懂了。

I got you too.

你还好吗？

You okay?

那是什么？

What that?

总是这么说。

Always say.

所以他们总是在一起。

So they stick together.

不。

No.

另一个。

The other one.

所以他们从不放弃。

So they never quit.

没错。

That's right.

所以他们从不放弃。

So they never quit.

人们关心《阿凡达》吗？

Do peep people care about Avatar?

我们开这些玩笑。

We make these jokes.

《阿凡达》在文化上有没有留下影响？

Does Avatar have a cultural, you know, footprint?

而且，确实有。

And and apparently, it does.

确实有。

Apparently, it does.

他们赚了这么多钱。

They make so much money.

是啊。

Yeah.

我知道，我看过。

I have, you know, seen it.

它是一部《阿凡达》电影。

It's it's a it's an Avatar movie.

它是关于潘多拉星球上的人们。

It's about the folks on Pandora.

纳威人。

The Na'vi.

纳威人和人类，这部电影讲的是殖民主义。

The Na'vi and the humans, and it's about colonialism.

而这一部则非常关注家庭。

And this one's very much about family.

这也是一部政治电影，

Also a political film is what

你说的是这个意思。

you're saying.

我的意思是，话虽如此。

I mean, such as it is.

我不是特别喜欢这些电影。

I am not a huge fan of these movies.

它们让我觉得冷淡，但视觉效果非常震撼。

They kinda leave me cold, but they are eye popping.

它们依然令人眼前一亮。

They remain eye popping.

如果你不是在3D影院观看，那就别看了，这实际上对影院来说当然是件好事。

Don't even bother seeing it if you're not seeing it in three d, which actually is a great thing for theaters, obviously.

但你知道，詹姆斯·卡梅隆拍出了有史以来最伟大的电影之一——《泰坦尼克号》。

But, you know, James Cameron made one of the greatest movies of all time, Titanic.

这部电影和前一部《阿凡达》电影，都包含了一些明显是他将《泰坦尼克号》中的元素搬到潘多拉星球上的做法。

And this movie and the previous movie, the Avatar movie, have elements that are definitely kind of him taking things he did in Titanic and doing them on Pandora.

你知道，观看这些片段确实能带来乐趣。

You know, there's there's there's pleasure to be had in watching that.

艾莉莎，你知道我看了多少次《泰坦尼克号》在电影院吗？

Alyssa, do you know how many times I

我在电影院看了多少次《泰坦尼克号》？

saw Titanic in the movie theater?

25次。

25.

不。

No.

那太多了。

That's way too

太多。

much.

那太

That's

那实际上

that's actually

它在影院上映了大约一年半。

It was in theaters for, like, a year and a half.

那会让人破产的。

That's that would that would that would impover someone.

不。

No.

我在影院看了六次。

I saw it in the theater six times

是的。

Yeah.

我的意思是，它突然冒出来了。

I mean it came up.

它被我列入了年度视听佳片榜单，评为有史以来最伟大的电影之一。

It was on my sight and sound ballot as one of the greatest movies of all time

天哪。

Oh my god.

几年前的事了。

Couple years ago.

我觉得再没有比这更好的好莱坞电影了。

I I don't think there's a better Hollywood movie, like, ever.

是的。

Yeah.

这是好莱坞电影的纯粹理想形态。

It's the platonic ideal of a Hollywood movie.

世界之王。

King of the world.

妮可尔，詹姆斯·卡梅隆。

Nicole, James Cameron.

他一直在不断创造。

He just keeps doing it.

每个人都知道，大家都拿他开玩笑。

Everyone, you know, makes fun of him.

他又要做一部《阿凡达》电影了。

He's like, another Avatar movie.

哦，《泰坦尼克号》。

Oh, Titanic.

这肯定会失败。

It's gonna be a bust.

这是什么？

What is this?

然后他赢了。

And then he wins.

他赢了，他是电影界的英雄。

He wins, and he's the, you know, hero of the movie business.

就像他和克里斯托弗·诺兰那样，极度推崇影院观影体验。

Like, him and Chris Nolan are the guys who are so dedicated to the theatrical experience.

感谢这些家伙。

Like, thank god for those guys.

是的。

Yeah.

如果我们没有这些人，我们还会拥有电影院吗？

If we if we didn't have those guys, like, would we still have movie theaters?

我的意思是，正是他们不断制作这些必须在影院观看的宏大场面。

I mean, they are the ones who keep making these enormous spectacles that have to be seen in theaters.

而且你有粉丝，尤其是《阿凡达》的粉丝，他们如此着迷，不得不反复观看，因为他们对潘多拉世界上瘾了。

And you have fans who are just so obsessed, especially with Avatar who have to go over and over because they're so addicted to that world of Pandora.

还记得第一部上映时，人们是如何不断去影院观看的吗？

And remember when the first one came out and how people were just going constantly?

我的意思是，是的。

I mean Yes.

那简直疯狂。

It was insanity.

所以，他为什么不继续拍这些电影，沉浸在那个世界里，同时仍努力为演员们的动作捕捉表演争取奥斯卡认可呢？尽管这些表演似乎并未在艺术层面引起学院的共鸣，但他仍在为这场战斗而坚持。

And so why wouldn't he just keep making these movies and living in this world and still trying to get Oscar love for the motion capture performances by his actors, which doesn't seem to be resonating with the academy in in an artistic way, but he's still fighting that battle too.

尼科尔，你觉得电影行业整体上会如何评价今年？

Nicole, how do you think the movie business is gonna end up feeling about this year as a whole?

哦，这个问题太复杂了。

Oh, that's such a loaded question.

我认为目前电影行业最担心的是华纳兄弟将会发生什么。

I think the biggest concern right now for the industry is what is going to happen with Warner Brothers.

整合对任何行业都不利，好莱坞也是如此。

Consolidation is not good for any industry, and that's true of Hollywood as well.

讽刺的是，今年我们所看到的情况简直令人震惊。

Ironically, what we have seen this year has been kind of astounding.

我们看到了许多低谷，正如我们之前讨论的，但同时也看到了许多高峰——那些完全原创、不依赖IP、不遵循好莱坞传统模式的电影取得了巨大成功。

We've seen a lot of lows that we talked about, but we also saw a lot of highs with films that were completely original, that are not based on IP, that are not the things, the tried and true Hollywood formula that have done really well.

如果我们不考虑这些外部经济因素，比如哪家公司背负着怎样的债务、哪些股东对某家公司的表现感到不满，那么今年本可以充分证明：敢于冒险、富有想象力和原创性真的会带来回报。

So if like we didn't have all these outside economics of which company is carrying which debt and which shareholders are upset about the performance of a certain company, we would have had a year that really shows that, like, taking risks and being imaginative and original really pays off.

我的意思是，如果我们只谈艺术，那现状会好得多。

I mean, if we are just dealing with strictly art, we'd be in such a better place.

但事实上，商业已经以一种深刻的方式全面接管了这个行业，我们将看到一个已经萎缩的产业继续萎缩。

But instead, the commerce has really taken over in such a profound way that we're gonna see a business that has already contracted keep contracting.

这对艺术家来说不会是好事。

And it's not gonna be great for artists.

对那些毕生致力于拍电影的人们来说，也不会是好事。

It's not gonna be great for all those people that have, you know, dedicated their lives to making movies.

所以目前，好莱坞的情况并不太好。

And so right now, things are not so super in Hollywood.

你知道吗，妮可？

You know what, Nicole?

我认为你说得完全对。

I think you're absolutely right.

然而，我们不会让这一集以低落的情绪结束。

However, we are not going to end this episode on a down note.

我们会轮流推荐今年看过的几部精彩影片。

We are going to all go around and recommend some amazing films that we saw this year.

是的，我们会的。

Yeah, we are.

我想先让艾莉莎谈谈一位乒乓球运动员。

And I wanna start with Alyssa who wants to talk about a little ping pong player.

由提莫西·查拉梅特饰演的一位乒乓球运动员，电影名叫《马蒂至上》。

Little ping pong player played by Timothy Chalamet in a movie called Marty Supreme.

你好。

Hello.

嘿。

Hey.

我是马蒂·莫瑟。

It's Marty Mauser.

我在皇家套房。

I'm in the Royal Suite.

昨天我在大堂看到你了。

I saw you in the lobby yesterday.

好的。

Okay.

我从来没跟真正的电影明星说过话。

Well, I never talked to an actual movie star.

你知道吗，我本身也是一名表演者。

You know, I'm something of a performer too.

这部电影讲述了一个二十世纪五十年代的年轻人，他立志成为乒乓球冠军。

It is about a young man in the nineteen fifties who is on a quest to become a champion ping pong player.

它有点像《不剪发的贾斯汀》，像一场持续两个半小时的恐慌发作，但却是那种最棒的方式。

It is sort of like Uncut Gems in that it's like a two and a half hour panic attack, but in, like, the best way possible.

我看这部电影时玩得非常开心，老实说，早期的评价和反馈都极其正面，以至于我进场时抱着双臂、心存怀疑，但它完全征服了我。

I had so much fun with this movie, and honestly, the early reviews or the early responses had been so positive that I kinda went in with my arms crossed, but it totally won me over.

这是我在多年里见过的格温妮丝·帕特洛最出色的表演。

It has the best performance I've seen out of Gwyneth Paltrow in years.

一场令人惊叹的、类似弗兰·德雷彻式的表演，这可不是我今年预期会说出的话。

An amazing, like, Fran Drescher performance, which is not something I was expecting to say this year.

嗯。

Mhmm.

电影原声带主要使用了八十年代的优秀音乐。

Great music from the eighties mostly on the soundtrack.

如果你喜欢《不剪发的贾斯汀》，那你一定会喜欢《马蒂至上》。

It's just if you liked Uncut Gems, you're gonna like Marty Supreme.

但即使你没看过，也值得一试。

But even if you didn't, you should give it a shot.

这部电影感觉特别适合这个季节观看。

It feels like something you should be watching this time of year.

尼科尔，你想聊聊今年到目前为止获奖最多的电影吗？

Nicole, you want to talk about a film that has won a ton of awards this year so far.

它在今年夏天赢得了戛纳电影节的最高奖项。

It won the top prize at Cannes this summer.

它是由世界影坛最受赞誉的导演之一执导的。

It is by one of world cinema's, you know, most acclaimed directors.

是的。

Yes.

这是贾法尔·潘ahi执导的《意外》，他是一位伊朗电影人。

This is it was just an accident by Jafar Panahi, who's an Iranian filmmaker.

他确实赢得了戛纳电影节的金棕榈奖。

And he did win the Palme d'Or in Cannes.

它被Neon公司收购，该公司已经发行了最近五到六部戛纳金棕榈奖影片，因此汤姆·奎恩获得了‘棕榈oracle’的绰号。

It's it was acquired by Neon, and they have released the last five or six Palme d'Ors, giving Tom Quinn the nickname of Palm to Oracle.

而且

And

我觉得我没听过这个。

I don't think I heard that.

这真美。

That's beautiful.

这是一部了不起的影片，潘哈米在伊朗秘密拍摄完成。

And it's a tremendous film that Panahi shot in Iran kind of undercover.

如今在伊朗拍电影，你必须向官方提交剧本，而潘哈米先生因为拍电影曾入狱，他不愿这么做。

To make a movie in Iran today, you have to submit your script to the officials, and that is not something that mister Panahi, has spent time in jail for making movies, was willing to do.

所以这是一次即兴突击式的拍摄。

So it was a run and gun operation.

影片讲述了一群曾入狱的人，他们认为找到了曾经折磨他们的那个人。

It's about a group of people who have previously been in prison and they think they found the man who tortured them.

他们正在试图确定这个人是否真的是那个施暴者。

And they're trying to determine if it is in fact that person.

这其实挺搞笑的。

It's actually funny.

拍得非常好。

It's really well done.

它深刻探讨了谁才是真正的邪恶之人，以及在这种情况下人们该如何行为、如何宽恕，还有许多其他非常有趣的问题。

And it has so much to say about who are the evil ones and what kind of and how you behave in these kinds of situations and how do you forgive and all these kinds of very interesting questions.

而且这部电影太棒了。

And it's tremendous.

我认为，帕纳希今年很可能会获得奥斯卡最佳导演提名。

And Panahi, I believe, will likely get a director nomination from the academy this year.

这部电影真的太出色了。

It's it's that good.

嗯，我同意你所有的观点。

Well, I agree with all of that.

我也非常尊重帕纳希和他的勇气。

I also just really respect Panahi and his gumption.

他拍的每一部电影都堪称卓越。

Every movie he's made has been phenomenal.

多年来，我一直都在戛纳观看他的作品，但他一直无法亲自到场，因为总是有旅行禁令，或者他被软禁或监禁。

And, you know, I've been seeing them at Cannes for years, but he's not been able to be there because there's always been a travel ban or he's been under house arrest or in prison.

这是他第一次能够外出旅行，他来到了纽约参加纽约电影节。

And this was the first time that he has been traveling, and he was here in New York for the New York Film Festival.

我有幸看到他与马丁·斯科塞斯对话，很明显，斯科塞斯对他充满敬意。

You know, I was able to see him in conversation with Martin Scorsese, and it was clear how much, you know, Scorsese respected him.

所以这真是一部出色的电影。

So it's just it's a great film.

我希望人们能特意去观看这部影片。

I hope people really make a point of seeing it.

我也希望如此。

I hope so too.

我最近看了这一部，它几乎是一部紧凑的社会惊悚片。

And I I, you know, I recently saw this one, and it's a tight sort of social thriller almost.

所以这部电影的最后两个场景，你知道，拍出一个精彩的结局很难。

And so the last two scenes of this, you know, it's hard to do a great ending.

嗯。

Mhmm.

而这些场景简直太震撼了。

And these it's just a knockout.

没错。

Yep.

我的意思是，它很有情感冲击力。

I mean, it's emotional.

它极其紧张。

It's incredibly tense.

它在某种意义上令人感到恐惧。

It's sort of scary in its own way.

这太不可思议了。

It's it's incredible.

近年来，学术界日益国际化，导致《寄生虫》获得最佳影片奖，非美国导演执导的电影也获得了最佳导演提名。

And the increasing internationalization of the academy over the past few years resulting in Parasite winning best picture and, you know, movies directed by non American directors getting best director nominations.

我觉得这种情况会继续下去，无论是像《情感价值》这样的电影，还是今年其他类似的影片。

I I think it's just going to continue, you know, with this or with a film like Sentimental Value or other films like that this year.

是的。

Yes.

也是一部出色的电影。

Also an excellent movie.

嗯。

Mhmm.

听好了。

Now listen.

给我们讲讲这部音乐剧吧。

Tell us about the shaker musical.

我知道。

I know.

关于十八世纪震教创始人的一部音乐剧剧情片，或许根本没人料到这样的电影会存在。

Musical drama about the eighteenth century founder of shakerism is perhaps not a movie anybody ever expected to exist.

至少我是没想到。

Certainly not me.

我实际上是在安·李创立的震教聚居地旁边长大的，就在上州。

I actually grew up right next to the Shaker settlement that Ann Lee founded, Upstate.

所以当我听说这部电影要拍的时候，我非常高兴。

So I was delighted when I heard that this was happening.

这部电影叫《安·李的遗嘱》。

The movie is called The Testament of Ann Lee.

我渴望并追求。

I hunger and thirst.

我渴望并追求真正的公义。

I hunger and thirst after true righteousness.

我渴望

I hunger

影片由阿曼达·塞弗里德饰演安·李。

and It stars Amanda Seyfried as Ann Lee.

影片由莫娜·福斯菲尔德编剧并执导，她曾参与去年《野蛮人》的编剧工作。

It's written and directed by Mona Fosfel, who among other things was co writer of The Brutalist last year.

这是一部很怪异的电影。

And it is a weird movie.

我不知道还能怎么形容，我从未看过这样的电影。

I don't know how else I've never seen anything like it.

我一直在跟人说，换作别人来拍，它本会是

The thing I've been telling people is that it, in any other hands, it would be

一部恐怖

a horror

片。

film.

这本质上是一部从摇篮到坟墓的传记片。

It's a it's a biopic essentially, cradle to grave.

它讲述了一位非常特立独行的女性。

And it's about a woman who is very idiosyncratic.

她有自己的理念，关于什么是虔诚于上帝，什么是过一种纯净的生活，而这基本上就是这部电影的核心。

She's very she's got her own ideas about what it means to be devoted to God, what it means to live a pure life, and that's basically the movie.

你只是在观看这位女性，整部电影完全聚焦于她，以及她通过虔诚所体验的狂喜。

So you're just watching this one woman, and it's sort of all in on her and her ecstasy through through her devotion.

这可能不适合每个人，但对我来说，它绝对是部佳作。

It's probably not for everybody, but it definitely definitely was for me.

影片拥有优美的音乐、动人的舞蹈，以及阿曼达·塞弗里德极为投入的表演。

And it has beautiful music, beautiful dancing, incredibly committed performance by Amanda Seyfried.

我认为，如果你对这些元素感兴趣，那这部影片绝对值得一看。

And I think if you if any of that appeals to you, it's a movie you should definitely seek out.

这是一部我认为真正需要你以更谦卑的姿态去观看的电影。

And it is one of those movies that I think really benefits from you being smaller than the film.

就像，你希望它在大银幕上呈现，这样你才能被这种体验彻底淹没。

Like, you want it to be big on the screen, so you can kind of be overwhelmed by the experience.

夏天，我们正前往天堂。

Summer, while to heaven we are going.

但在沙漠中，我们正离开。

But in the desert, we are leaving

尼科尔，有没有一部电影是我羞于承认自己没听说过的？

Nicole, do you have a film that I'm embarrassed to say I had not heard of?

它叫《好光中来找我》。

It's called Come See Me in the Good Light.

我写过一篇关于这部电影的专栏。

I wrote a column about that.

不好意思。

Excuse me.

你知道我们已经投入了多少吗？

Do you know how much we've pumped?

我们都写了关于这部电影的文章，因为我觉得我们都深受这部电影的触动。

We both wrote about this movie because I think we were both very struck by this movie.

是的。

Yes.

唉，真是丢脸。

Well, egg on my face.

总之，这部电影叫《来好光中找我》，讲述的是诗人安德烈亚·吉布森的故事，她今年夏天因癌症去世。

Anyway, this is the movie called Come See Me in the Good Light, and it is about the poet Andrea Gibson, who passed away this summer from cancer.

昨晚，我正在给梅根读这部作品的开头。

Last night, was reading the beginning of this to Megan.

我说，如果我是个纪录片导演，我一定会用这首诗的开头作为旁白，配合画面展开。

I said if I was a documentary filmmaker, I would definitely begin the documentary with the beginning of this poem as a voice over as something was happening.

梅根问：那会发生什么呢？

And Meg's like, well, what would be happening?

我说：我不知道。

And I'm like, I don't know.

也许是我的葬礼。

Maybe my funeral.

然后你听到梅根说：‘那太尴尬了。’

And then you hear Meg's like, It was so awkward.

这是一部关于与癌症抗争的人的、最美妙、充满生命力、鼓舞人心的电影。

The most gorgeous, life affirming, uplifting film that you could see about someone battling cancer.

你可能一开始觉得看这样一部悲伤的电影很难接受，但事实上你会哭得稀里哗啦。

It maybe seem like a hard sell going in that you don't wanna watch a movie that's this sad, but it it actually you will sob your face off.

我提前告诉你这一点。

I will tell you that ahead of time.

但看完之后，你会感觉不一样，因为影片如何处理悲剧、悲伤和生命终点。

But you come out of it feeling kind of different because of how they process tragedy and sorrow and end of life.

这是一个一生中经历了很多事情的人，但在收到绝症诊断时，反而感到被唤醒。

And this is a person who has dealt with a lot of things through their entirety of their life, but actually felt awakened when they received their terminal cancer diagnosis.

他们的诗歌既简单又深刻，同时兼具两者。

And their poetry is really it's simple and deep all at the same time.

它非常易懂。

It's very accessible.

这真是一部了不起的电影。

It's really a tremendous film.

海豚游泳。

Dolphin swims.

尽管这些事情可能很引人入胜，但没有一件事能像我们大多数人从小被教导去看待的那些小事那样点燃我。

As riveting as those things may be, none of them ignite me as much as what most of us were taught to think of as the little things.

这些是我最大也最微小的梦想。

These are my biggest, tiniest dreams.

它是在圣丹斯电影节上映的。

It was so it was at Sundance.

它在圣丹斯电影节上获得了观众奖。

It won the audience award at Sundance.

这是一部实际上适合在家观看的电影。

And it's a movie to watch actually at home.

我当时在圣丹斯采访了安德里亚和梅根，她们的意思就是希望如此。

It's kind of I interviewed Andrea and Megan back at Sundance, and they kind of that's what they wanted.

她们希望这部电影能在家里观看，因为她们让你走进了她们的家，而这也正是观看它的完美场所。

They wanted this to be a movie that you watch at home because they let you into their home, and it's kind of the perfect place to watch it.

就像，盖上被子，静静地让所有情绪释放出来。

Like, the covers, just sit there and let all the emotions out.

让你所有感受到的情绪，在观看时彻底爆发出来。

Let everything you felt you you're feeling, like, come to a head right there watching it.

这真是一次深刻的体验。

It's really a profound experience.

好的。

Okay.

这听起来确实

That actually does sound

是的。

Yeah.

太棒了。

It's amazing.

非常美好。

It's pretty wonderful.

安德里亚的诗歌也被融入其中，是的。

And Andrea's poetry is also woven Yes.

融入到电影中。

Into the film.

所以，如果你不熟悉安德里亚·吉布森的诗歌，你会因此接触到她的诗作。

So if you're not familiar with Andrea Gibson's poetry, you will be introduced to the poetry.

很棒。

It's great.

我想单独为《碟中谍》结尾的双翼飞机场景做个推荐，那是最后一段。

I would like to make a plug solely for the biplane sequence at the end of Mission Impossible, the final record.

哦，我还以为你要说火车梦呢，不过《碟中谍》确实也不错。

Oh, I thought you were gonna say train dreams, but also Mission Impossible is good.

嗯。

Yeah.

好的。

Okay.

还有第二个，潜艇场景，但这部电影的其余部分并不特别出色。

And the second, the submarine sequence, but the rest of that movie was not particularly good.

不。

No.

但它现在可以在线观看。

But it's streaming now.

所以如果你只想看最后半小时，你会看到汤姆·克鲁斯又一次为了我们的娱乐和启发，

So if you just wanna watch the last half hour, you see Tom Cruise once again put himself, you know,

把自己置于电影之王的位置。

in President of movies himself.

把自己置于生死边缘，只为我们的娱乐与启迪。

Put himself on the verge of death for our entertainment and edification.

你可以，你也应该。

You can and you should.

所以

So

那个家伙也是影院观影体验的坚定支持者。

Also a big proponent of the theatrical experience, that guy.

没错。

Yep.

他超爱爆米花。

He loves he loves popcorn.

年底还会送椰子蛋糕给所有朋友。

And coconut cakes at the end of the year to send all his friends.

没错。

Yep.

哦，我真迫不及待想拿到我的了。

Oh, I can't wait to get mine.

好吧。

Alright.

我们休息一下。

We are going to take a break.

当我们回来时，我们会像往常一样，以一个游戏结束本期节目。

And when we come back, we will end as we do and as we have every week with a game.

好的，艾莉莎和妮可，我们今天这期节目也会像往常一样，以一个小游戏结束。

Okay, Alyssa and Nicole, we are going to end this episode as we end every episode with a little game.

我今天为你们两位准备了三轮与电影相关的趣味环节。

I have three rounds of movie related delights for the two of you today.

请把你们的手放在抢答器上。

Please put your hands on your buzzers.

你们两个准备好了吗？

Are you both ready?

准备好了。

Yes.

当然。

Sure.

妮可，我需要你更有活力一点。

I'm I'm gonna need more energy from you, Nicole.

好的。

Okay.

我准备好了。

I'm I'm ready.

我很兴奋。

I'm excited.

好的。

Okay.

开始。

And action.

第一轮叫全球回忆。

Round one is called global recall.

电影正日益成为一项全球性业务。

Movies are increasingly a global business.

美国电影在世界不同地区上映时，常常使用不同的片名。

American movies are often released under different titles in different parts of the world.

在这一轮中，我会给出今年一部热门美国电影在国外上映时使用的实际片名，你们则要告诉我这部电影的美国原名。

In this round, I will give you the real actual title under which a popular American movie from this year was released abroad, and you give me the American title of the film.

这些都会是法语片名吗？

Are these all gonna be French?

因为它们是最疯狂的。

Because they're the craziest ones.

天哪。

Oh boy.

我的法语口音很糟糕。

I have a terrible French accent.

所以不是。

So no.

好的。

Okay.

这部体育传记片在土耳其以《战斗传奇》为名上映。

This sports biopic was released in Turkey under the title fighting legend.

艾莉莎。

Alyssa.

粉碎机。

Smashing machine.

粉碎机。

The smashing machine.

正确。

That is correct.

在德国，这部群星云集的浪漫喜剧情景剧被称为《爱值多少钱？》

In Germany, this star studded romantic dramedy was called what is love worth?

有人知道吗？

Anyone?

不。

Nope.

答案是唯物主义者。

The answer is materialists.

哦。

Oh.

不。

No.

当然。

Of course.

唯物主义者。

Materialists.

当然。

Of course.

废话。

Duh.

好吧。

Alright.

这个类型恶搞片，我知道你们俩都喜欢，是在比利时上映的，叫《有警察拯救世界吗？》

This genre spoof, which I know you both love, was released in Belgium as is there a cop to save the world?

妮可。

Nicole.

《裸枪》。

Naked gun.

《裸枪》。

The naked gun.

没错。

That is correct.

我想到一个。

I got one.

太好了。

Great.

伟大的电影作品。

Great work of cinema.

我有一个。

Got one.

伟大的电影作品。

Great work of cinema.

大家都去看吧。

Everyone go see it.

完美的雪人场景。

Ideal snowman sequence.

这部经典大片今年为纪念上映而重映，在法国的片名为《海之牙》。

This classic blockbuster rereleased this year for its anniversary came out in France with the title, The Teeth of the Sea.

尼科尔。

Nicole.

大白鲨。

Jaws.

大白鲨。

Jaws.

没错。

That is correct.

那是个很棒的

That's a great The

海之牙。

teeth of the sea.

我更喜欢那个。

I I prefer that.

海之牙。

The teeth of the sea.

嗯。

Yeah.

那是第一轮。

That was round one.