与骰塔共桌——意想不到之处

骰塔旁的餐桌时光。

At the Table with the Dice Tower.

第54期。

Episode 54.

在最意想不到的地方。

Where you least expect.

欢迎收听《骰塔旁的餐桌时光》，这是一档关于游戏与玩家的播客。本期我们将探讨在偏远角落发现游戏宝藏的故事——社区中心、娱乐场所、林间废弃小屋。游戏收藏可能藏身任何地方，带来无数惊喜。此外，我们还将拆解听众来信的新问题，并分享近期的玫瑰、荆棘与呼啦圈趣闻。我是埃里克·萨默尔。

Welcome to At the Table with the Dice Tower, a podcast about games and the people who play them. This time, we're talking about finding game shelves in unlikely locations, hubs, rec centers, abandoned cabins in the woods. Game collections can be anywhere and contain many surprises. Plus, we have some new questions from the mail bag and our latest gathering of roses, thorns, and hula hoops. I'm Eric Summerer.

我是朱莉·埃亨。

I'm Julie Ahern.

我是汤姆·瓦西尔。现在依然是夏天。没错。

And I'm Tom Vassil. And it is still summer. Yes.

从技术层面来说，严格按技术标准衡量的话。是的。

Technically, technically, from a technical technical perspective. Yes.

不过对大多数人而言学校已经开学，这彻底改变了生活节奏。交通模式都不同了。

Well, it's also school has started for most people, and that just changes everyone's lives. Traffic patterns change.

噢，到处都是校车。

Oh, the school buses are everywhere.

作息时间也变了。像埃里克这样居家办公的人受影响倒不大。

Schedules change. People like Eric who work from home aren't affected as much.

确实如此。突然间变得非常安静。当孩子们离开家后，我和妻子面面相觑，心想，哇，在我们开始工作前能享受大约一小时的宁静。这感觉太棒了。所以，是的，这里的生活节奏也改变了。

Well, it is. It got very quiet all of a sudden. When the kids were left and went out of the house, suddenly, my my wife and I look at each other and go, oh, it's quiet for, like, an hour before we have to start work. This is great. So, yeah, it changes here too.

对我来说这是个渐进的过程，因为每两年随着一个孩子上大学，家里总体上会更安静些。我现在只剩

This is a gradual thing for me because every two years, my house gets quieter in general with a kid going off to college. I'm down

三个孩子了。等等，上周你不是还有四个孩子吗？

to three kids now. Wait. Didn't you have four last week?

是啊。不过她前几天刚去上大学了。就是这样。有意思的是，当时我妻子不在家，所以我用带人下馆子的方式解决了做饭问题。

Yeah. Well, she went to college a couple days ago. There it is. It's interesting. I I my wife was gone, so I cooked by taking people out to restaurants.

靠谱。其实我也做饭。但外出就餐时我突然意识到：我们能订四人桌了？这感觉太新奇了。嗯哼。

Solid. I cooked too. But but when we went out, I was like, we can get a table of four? This is so exciting. Mhmm.

哇，普通家庭都是这样吧。不过我们该聊聊即将到来的游戏活动了——别忘了Dice Star West的门票现已开售，你绝对不想错过。虽然时间还早，但总要未雨绸缪嘛。

Wow. Normal families are like. But we're talking about gaming upcoming gaming is happening. Don't forget, Dice Star West, the tickets are available now, so you definitely wanna come to that. It's still far off in the future, but always make plans ahead of time.

快来准备吧。我敢说当Dice Ira West举办时，正值隆冬沉闷时节，去参加活动会让人感觉无比畅快。就像一场逃离。

Come. Get ready. Because I'll tell you what. When Dice Ira West comes around, you're gonna be moping around in the middle of doldrums winter, and it's gonna feel amazing to go. It feels like an escape.

确实如此。而且Dicellar邮轮活动更有过之而无不及——那才真叫逃离现实。现在距离活动已过半程，我隔三差五就会想起：邮轮啊邮轮。

It does. Also, Dicellar Cruise does a few things, and that's even more if it's That feels like an escape. It does. We are past the halfway point to that, and I think about it every few days. I'm like, the cruise.

各位，那体验就是这么棒。

It's it's that good, folks.

说到邮轮，我父母正在阿拉斯加邮轮上。录音前我跟朱莉提过，他们居然在邮轮上遇到了参加Dice Tower大会的乘客。他们发短信跟我说：我们遇到了那些参加Dice Tower活动还戴滑稽帽子的人。

Speaking of cruises, my parents are on an Alaskan cruise. I was telling Julie before we started recording, and they met Dice Tower convention attendees on their Alaskan cruise. And they texted me like, we met the people who come to Dice Tower events and wear funny hats.

他们是怎么知道的？怎么知道他们来自骰塔游轮的？

How did they know? How did they know they were from the Dice Tower cruise?

我不想知道这是怎么运作的以及他们怎么...

I don't I wanna know how this works and how they

他们可能穿着那些T恤。

They might have been wearing the shirts.

目前还是个谜。

It's currently a mystery.

我想知道更多。

It's I wanna know more.

我打赌是因为T恤——上面印着我们的游轮信息，每年都有一款，现在已经是第九次游轮了，所以外面至少有八种不同款式的T恤在流传。

I'm betting it's the shirts because they say our cruise, there's a shirt every year, and we are this is cruise nine, so there are eight shirts floating around out there.

确实有很多T恤。

There are a lot of shirts.

现在你可以每天换一件。是啊，挺酷的。最近的活动就是埃森桌游展了，离得不算太远。

You can now one every day. Yeah. It's kinda cool. And then the closest thing, the Spiel Fair at Essen. That's not too far away.

展会是在十月份。我们在那儿有个展位，编号3 R 315。

That's in October. And, we have a booth there. It's 3 R 315.

我可记不住这个编号。

I'm not gonna remember that.

不。但不如你找找我们在哪儿？我们在3号厅，最大的展厅。我们稍微移动了一下位置。我们将与独立游戏工作室背靠背。

No. But how about you look for where we are? We're in Hall 3, the biggest hall. We've moved a bit. We are gonna be back to back with Indie Game Studios.

我们旁边是Craneo Creations、Inside Up、Stonemaier Games和Fantasia。所以找到这些公司，就能找到我们。

We're next to Craneo Creations, Inside Up, and Stonemaier Games, Fantasia. So look for those companies, and you'll find us.

最终会的。

Eventually.

希望如此。是的。嗯，我们现在离洗手间稍微远了一点。我其实喜欢离洗手间近一点，那样方便，但现在的位置也足够近。我们在展厅角落附近，紧挨着大型CGE展位，出去就是Galleria，那里有很多餐饮区。

We hope. Yeah. Well, we're still not we're we're a little farther from the bathrooms. I like kinda being close to the bathrooms because that was convenient, but we're still close enough. We're near the corner of the hall right near the big CGE booth, and, then you go out to the Galleria, which is where much of the food is.

不过，Eric，你会发现和你上次来时有些变化。

Although, Eric, you're gonna see some changes since you've been there.

我很期待。自从上次去已经有五六年了吧。所以，是的，有很多新事物等着体验。

I'm excited. It's been, what, like, five, six years since I've been. And so, yeah, all sorts of new things to experience.

我觉得变得更好了。真的。我我喜欢新的展厅布局，更容易记住东西的位置。

I think it's gotten better. I really do. I I I like the new hall layouts. It's a little easier to remember where stuff is.

是的。我同意。

Yes. I agree.

哦，是这种类型的游戏。比如我要找颜料，我知道要去1号厅。

Oh, it's this kind of game. Like, if I'm looking for paint, I know I'm going to One. Hall 1.

或者RPG游戏。对。

Or RPGs. Yeah.

就是很容易记住东西在哪里。哦，熊猫展位在哪里？制造商那边？嗯，那是在6号馆或者随便哪个馆。4号。

It it just it's easy to remember where stuff is. Oh, where's the panda booth? The manufacturers? Well, that's in Hall, you know, 6 or whatever or wherever it is. 4.

4号。4号馆。对。

4. Hall 4. Yep.

很容易记住。好的。

It's easy to remember. Alright.

嗯，我知道位置，只是不记得编号了。我可以

Well, I know where it is. I just don't remember what the numbers are. I can

我记得是因为我经常在那里开会？

I remember because I take a lot of meetings there?

是啊。那是个好去处，Eric。如果你累了，4号馆人少得多。酷。总之等临近时我们再详谈。

Yeah. It's it's a good place to go, Eric. If you're tired, Hall 4 is not nearly as crowded. Cool. Anyway, we'll talk more about that as we get closer.

不过现在，我们来聊聊游戏吧。

But for now, let's talk about some games.

好啊。请讲。

Yes. Yes, please.

请讲。我，这是个轻松话题。上周末我参加了家庭露营。就像所有营地那样，他们准备了雨天活动。这是个所有木屋都在树林里、整个营地只有一栋建筑有WiFi的地方。

Yes, please. I, so this is a lighter topic. I was at a family camp over the weekend. And, and as camps do, they they have activities for rainy days. And, this is one of those where the cabins are all in the woods and there's no Wi Fi except just like one building in the entire camp.

我在那里遇到一位家长正用WiFi在Board Game Arena上走棋，这话题挺有趣。但我们还在角落发现了一个桌游架子。浏览那些游戏时，看到无数副Uno，但架子上也有些惊喜。我觉得很酷的是，我们经常在意想不到的地方偶遇这些迷你桌游收藏，想聊聊我们在随机游戏架上发现的宝贝。所以，你们在哪些最不寻常或最意外的地方遇到过小型游戏收藏？

And, and I was there, ran into a parent who was using the Wi Fi to make their moves on board game arena, which was a neat discussion. But we also found in the corner a shelf of board games. And and just perusing what was there, like there were a million copies of Uno, but there were some surprises in those shelves as well. And I thought it was kinda cool how often we run into these mini board game collections in places where you don't expect them, and wanted to talk about what we find on those random game shelves. So, yeah, where what's the most unusual or surprising place you've run into a small game collection?

非常不寻常。

Most unusual.

是啊。呃，我没准备好回答什么是最不寻常的。

Yeah. Well, I wasn't prepared for answering the most unusual.

因为对我来说，任何孩子们聚集的地方，我并不觉得发现一个小型博格收藏有什么意外。所以

Because to me, any place where kids are going to gather, I it doesn't I don't find it unexpected to find a small Borggan collection. So

你知道吗？我的答案是从这份文档里摘出来的。那些都不算稀奇。我预期在这些地方看到游戏。

You know? My answers were written out from me here document. Those are not unusual. I expect to see games at these places.

我是在帮你。这就是你在邮件里提到的内容。

I was helping you out. This is what you talked about in the emails.

好吧。行。我就列举这些。它们并不罕见。比如社区中心，任何类型的社区中心，像男孩女孩俱乐部或YMCA可能会有，或者就是普通的社区中心，任何有聚会的地方。

Okay. Fine. I'll just list these. They're not unusual. Like, a community center, any kind of community center where, like, boys, girls clubs or YMCA might might have them or just a community center, anywhere where there's gatherings.

这还包括——我以前在韩国时，会去很多很多军事基地，每个军事基地的社区中心都有一个，不管是娱乐中心还是什么。

And this also includes every when I used to be in Korea, I would go to many, many military bases, and every military based community center has one, whatever the rec center, whatever it might be.

嗯。嗯。

Mhmm. Mhmm.

游轮通常在图书馆里设有，普通图书馆也是。我在不同地方的公共休息室见过。有时在非桌游主题的咖啡店也能看到。

Cruise ships have them in the library usually, as do, well, regular libraries. I've seen them at in the common rooms of different places. Sometimes I'll see them at, like, a coffee shop that's not a board game cafe.

对。没错。

Right. Yeah.

是啊是啊。但他们总会放一架子桌游，因为大家都会这么做。我正努力想一个不寻常的地方，因为我提到的那些地方基本都能看到它们。

Yeah. Yeah. But they'll have a shelf of board games because you just do. I'm struggling to think of a, like, an unusual place just because I kind of expect to see them in all the places I mentioned.

我觉得最让我意外的是酒店公共休息室或爱彼迎民宿。当这个地方并未标榜是桌游中心，只是个度假目的地时，你检查客厅突然发现他们有游戏架。更让我惊讶的是，通常不只有经典款，不只有 Scrabble 和大富翁，还可能发现些小众精品。

I guess the one that I I tend to be surprised at is when it's like a hotel common room or an Airbnb. And somewhere what it hasn't been billed as a board game central location. It's just this is a vacation destination, and you're you're checking out the living room, and, oh, they they have a shelf of games. And what usually surprises me is that it's not just the, the staples. That's not just a copy of Scrabble and Monopoly, but you might find the little gems.

我总想知道这些游戏背后的故事，所以会在脑海里编造情节。

And I wanna know the story behind them, and so I make up stories in my head.

有时候故事是这样的：我和罗伯特去爱彼迎时，如果看到有桌游，就会从我们私人收藏里添置一款。真的吗？没错。

Sometimes the story is that, Robert and I will go to an Airbnb, and if they have board games, we'll add one from our personal lineup. Really? Yeah.

原来如此。是你们啊。一直都是你们在这么做。

We have. So it's you. It's been you this whole time.

所以确实有过这种情况——我们会故意留下奥秘工坊或Van Rider Games的游戏。这个嘛...

So, yes, there have been there have been occasions where suddenly an Arcane Wonders or Van Rider Games game will will get left behind intentionally. If Well, that

我其实超爱这个主意。

actually love that idea.

没错。这倒让我想起件趣事。我以前就思考过：去这些地方看到游戏选择平平甚至糟糕时，总觉得该添置些游戏。但转念又想：我是不是在浪费时间？

Yeah. That actually brings up an interesting thing. I I've I've thought about this before. Like, I've been to these places, and you see, and you're like, the selection is okay or not so great or and I think, well, I should add some games. And then I think, am I wasting my time?

不是说我看不上这些地方。如果像朱莉和罗伯特那样有公司，我肯定会留下游戏——毕竟宣传就是宣传。但我没有公司，所以纯粹是为了造福后来人。我很乐意这么做，但也不希望留下的游戏无人问津，大家还是只拿 Scrabble 玩。

And I don't mean that to be snooty. You know, if I had a company like Julie and Robert did, I I would, yes, I would definitely drop one off because press is press. But I don't have that. And so I would leave one just for the sake of my fellow man, which I think I you know, I'll gladly do that, but I also don't wanna put one there if it's just gonna be passed on by and people are gonna pick up the copy of scrabble instead.

确实有可能被冷落，但现在情况好多了。我个人绝不会留特别复杂的游戏——比如我们留过《神探13》，这是款非常轻量级的小盒游戏。还有《花园访客》，画面精美规则简单。嗯。

Well and that's entirely possible, but not as much anymore. And I so and it does like, you're not I personally would never leave, something super comp like, you know, we're we're leaving behind I remember Sherlock 13 came out, and we and that's a a very light game that has it's small. It's compact. So, like, that I remember that leaving that behind at an Airbnb And or I'm trying to think garden guests, which is super super pretty, and it's not that difficult to learn. Mhmm.

这简直刻薄得可笑，所以想到家人在开玩笑我就忍不住笑。就是那种感觉。所以我觉得如果你也这么做，你也会试着往那方面想。不过还有，去二手商店——偶尔你会去一趟，因为能看到人们炫耀他们的战利品，因为有人刚捐了一堆东西，然后...

And it's terribly mean, so it makes me laugh to think of, like, family's kidding. Like, it's just yeah. So I think you also if you do that, you're trying to think of that. But also, going to thrift stores, which every once in a while, you go to a thrift store because you'll see people who talk about their hauls because somebody's left off you know, dropped off a bunch of stuff and the

淘到那些宝贝。

thrift find those.

对。我有过。如果是我已经有的东西，我可能还是会特意买下来，就是为了那个目的。带...

Right. I have. And if it's something that I already own, I might still pick it up and do it specifically for that purpose. To bring

它啊。别学约翰尼·苹果籽。

it Ah. Don't The Johnny Appleseed.

不。这是个好...你知道的，迈阿密根本没有像样的二手店。什么都没有。那些店糟糕透顶。现在我搬到了迈尔斯堡，这里的二手店简直太棒了。

No. This is a good this is a good you know, so we have no good thrift stores in Miami. There was nothing. They were terrible, horrible, no good. Now I moved to Fort Myers, and Fort Myers' thrift stores are amazing.

我不想显得不近人情，但迈尔斯堡确实有很多很多老人匆匆搬来这里。

And I'm trying not to be insensitive here, but there are many, many old people in Fort Myers who move here quickly.

是啊。

Yep.

当他们踏上人生最后旅程时，他们的子女不想处理那些遗物，就全捐给了二手店。所以这里的二手店品质惊人。我不常去因为我不太需要东西，所以...

And when they go on their journeys, their kids don't wanna deal with all the stuff they have, so they give it to the thrift store. So thrift stores here are amazing. I haven't been to them that often because I don't need stuff necessarily, so I don't

不去。嗯。

go. Yeah.

明白吗？但只要有机会我都会看看桌游区，有次看到《车票之旅》只要5美元。我当时想：我又不需要《车票之旅》，买它干嘛？后来朱莉说了她的想法，我就觉得：噢，那倒是个好理由。

You know? But I always go check out the board games if I can, and I saw a copy of Ticket for $5. And I thought, I don't need Ticket to Ride. Why would I buy that? And then Julie said her thing, and I was like, that would have been a good reason to buy it.

对，没错。我这么做是为了能捐赠，而且是为图书馆做的。我为学校也这样做过。之所以这么做，部分是因为我过去当老师时就养成了这个习惯。

Right. Yeah. So I do it so that I can donate and I do it for libraries. I've done it for schools. I've done it because I did it previous in my previous iteration as a teacher.

所以现在继续做这件事，某种程度上是出于习惯记忆，但也因为我觉得这给了人们尝试的机会，对我来说风险很低。如果我在向人们介绍桌游，当然很多人可能会跳过《车票之旅》选择《大富翁》，但也未必。也许碰上下雨天呢。

So doing it now is still it it's kind of sense memory partially, but also because, yeah, I I think that it gives people an opportunity to try it, and it's a very low stakes thing for me. And if I'm introducing people to board games, then sure, a lot of people are gonna maybe pass up the Ticket to Ride for monopoly, but they might not. Maybe it's a rainy day.

谁知道呢？我发现这些藏着更有趣游戏的小角落时总是很惊喜。比如你扫视书架时，肯定会看到《UNO》《四子棋》和《拼字游戏》之类的。但当你发现一个超出这个范围的游戏时——比如罗德岛某度假村有《魔戒：对决》，经典Cosmos公司出版的这款双人游戏，通常被认为是硬核玩家向的，绝不是一时兴起就会拿起来玩的。

Who knows? I find these, these little pockets of more interesting games to be delightful when I run into them. Like, you're you're scanning the shelf, and, yeah, there's gonna be copies of UNO and Connect four and and Scrabble. But when you find one that's out of that sphere, like a a resort we went to in Rhode Island had Lord of the Rings, the confrontation, the classic cosmos printing of this game, the two player generally considered pretty, you know, hobbyist. This is not one that you just pick up on a whim.

不知道是有人特意给图书馆添置的，还是酒店老板放的。但发现这种游戏时真的很惊喜——就算是我之前没考虑玩过的，可能也会因为它是众多大众游戏中特别的存在而拿下来。就像你说的朱莉，如果碰上下雨天，家长玩腻了《四子棋》，他们可能会拿下那款不一样的，试试这个双人魔戒游戏。我觉得这些发现特别酷，像是小惊喜，几乎每个小型收藏里都能偶遇一个。

I don't know if someone seeded the library with that or if the hotel owner decided to put something there. But when I find one of those games, it's a delight. Like, oh, maybe even if it's one that I hadn't really considered playing before, maybe it's one I am gonna get off the shelf because this is the one they decided to sprinkle in amongst all of the mass market stuff. And maybe if it's a rainy day, as you said, Julie, and the parents are sick of playing Connect four, they pull off the one that's different and and maybe try out this two player Lord of the Rings game. I find those really, really cool and a nice little surprise to find, and you almost run into one in every one of these little pocket collections.

确实。我觉得游戏选择越来越好了。我经常看到《苹果派对》《车票之旅》《卡坦岛》《卡卡颂》，浏览时这些出现频率很高。但几乎总能发现一个游戏让我想趁没人时偷偷扔掉——比如《高级班排战术》或哇...

Sure. I think the selection has been getting better. Like, I often will see Apples Apples, Ticket to Ride, Catan, Carcassonne. I see these much more often as I peruse these, but I also almost always find one game there, and I'm like, can I throw that away when no one's looking? Because it's, you know, something like advanced squad leader or Woah.

你知道的，要么是复杂到离谱的游戏，要么是特别糟糕的比如《野外求生》。对，就是这类。你会觉得'这简直是在劝退桌游新人'。不过要是我看到《方舟动物园》出现在这里，我会觉得'好游戏'。

You know, or some ridiculously complicated game or it's like a really terrible game like, outdoor survival Yes. Yes. Stuff like that. You're like, oh, that's the sort of thing that ruins people on board games. Or it might you know, if I saw Ark Nova in one of these, I would be like, that's a great game.

但不该出现在这儿，懂吗？我不想让玩腻《拼字游戏》的人随手拿起来然后惊呼'我们造了什么孽'。

Shouldn't be here, though. You know? I don't want someone who's bored of Scrabble picking that up and going, what have we done?

但你看，如果他们腻了《拼字游戏》拿起来，大概率会看一眼就合上盒子说'算了'。我不担心这个——倒不是出于信任...

Well, see. But if they're bored of Scrabble and they pick it up, they're gonna look at it and then probably close the box again and go, nope. Like, I don't I don't that's true. I don't I'm not worried about that. I I have faith that Well, it's not faith.

我只是觉得捐赠游戏给图书馆时，必须考虑游戏复杂度。同意。

I I just don't think if you're donating a game to a library, you definitely should consider the weight of it. Agreed.

当然。对对。

Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

但也不一定非要是图书馆。我要说的是，如果你打算把它留在爱彼迎这类地方，那里的人们在游戏过程中完全得不到任何协助。而图书馆则相反，不过得先问问图书管理员——他们玩游戏吗？如果是的话，那当然可以。

But also so not necessarily library. I'm gonna say if you're gonna leave it at an Airbnb, someplace where people are going to be absolutely not assisted in gameplay. A library, conversely, though, talk to the librarians. Are they gamers? Because if they are, then sure.

我会留下更完善的东西，因为图书管理员非常擅长评估人们对书籍和游戏的兴趣水平，并能出色地解释它们。所以我不同意那个观点。在图书馆，

I'll leave something far more robust because librarians are quite good at gauging somebody's interest level in in books as well as games and then doing an excellent job of explaining it. So, no, I I disagree with that. At the library,

我会留一篇文章。我指的是除了我们网站上提到的图书馆之外的所有地方。我说图书馆时，其实是指那些小型的社区图书箱。图书馆在这里是个例外，因为那里有工作人员。

I would leave an article. I meant everything but the library on our website. I said library. I meant the little library in these things. Libraries are the exception to the rule here because there's someone there.

就像如果有孩子去图书馆问'我该读什么？'，他们不会直接给《战争与和平》。所以我们也不会

It's the same as if a kid goes to the library and says, what should I read? They're not gonna hand them war and peace. So we're gonna

给任何人《战争与和平》。

hand anyone war and peace.

他们会递给孩子适合的书。如果我去说'我在找这个'，但如果说'我想找些复杂的'，图书管理员可能会推荐'这本书适合你'。对待桌游也该如此。我发现尽管他们薪酬微薄或是志愿者，但图书管理员是地球上最优秀的人群之一。

They're gonna hand them a book that's appropriate. If I go in and say, I'm looking for this. But if I go in and say, I'm looking for something complex, the librarian might will say, well, this book's good for you. So they should do the same with board games. And I have found that even though they are paid very little and or are volunteers, librarians, some of the best people on the planet.

同意。

Agreed.

确实。我特意把图书馆留到最后讨论，因为它们确实与众不同。它们是经过精心培育的书架——甚至多个书架。如果你很久没去过当地图书馆，可能会惊讶于架上的收藏。我本地的辛姆斯伯里图书馆就有相当规模的游戏收藏，种类丰富。

Indeed. I sort of set libraries aside for the end of the discussion because they are a different animal, really. They're they're a cultivated, shelf or multiple shelves. In fact, if you haven't been to your local library in a while, you might be surprised to find what they have on the shelf. My local Simsbury library has a pretty significant game collection with a wide variety of titles.

我们的朋友Jen Bartlett，那位桌游图书管理员，算是本地人。我想她刚庆祝了在康涅狄格州曼彻斯特图书馆推广桌游十周年，她收集了惊人的藏品，还会推出主题游戏选集。所以建议去看看你当地的图书馆，说不定就有一位尽心尽力的图书管理员在培育比我们讨论的更重要的东西。

Our friend, Jen Bartlett, the board gaming librarian, is semi local. And I think she's just celebrated ten years cultivating board gaming at the Manchester library here in Connecticut, and she's got some amazing stuff and puts out themed selections of games. So I'd check out your local library. You might have a very dedicated librarian who is working at cultivating something more significant than what we're talking about.

图书馆整体都变了。现在每次去图书馆我都感到惊讶——没人会在你进门时'嘘'你，人们可以自由交谈，还有电脑设备。

Libraries have changed in general. I mean, every time I go to library now, I'm, like, amazed. No one shishes you when you walk in. People are talking and stuff. There's computers.

我是说，显然应该有电脑，但还有，它们某种程度上会外出。它们正在走向户外。它们必须进化，对吧？否则就会被淘汰。所以事物会变化。比如万圣节时，我们会去图书馆，因为他们在那儿举办很多活动和类似的事情。

I mean, obviously, there should be computers, but there's also, there's, like they they they they kind of go out. They're going outside. They have to evolve, right, or else they're gonna go away. And so things change. If there's, like, like, Halloween, we go to the library because they they set up a bunch of events there and things like that.

现在有些俱乐部就在图书馆聚会。

And there's clubs that meet at libraries now.

没错。你知道，印第安纳波利斯很棒。

Yes. So You You know, Indianapolis is cool.

去你当地的图书馆吧。

Go to your local library.

对。印第安纳波利斯有很多公共图书馆分馆。我家附近的那家规模较小，他们每周都有桌游俱乐部。而且当我进去时，他们会提供——比如现在正提供流感疫苗。如果你需要打流感疫苗却负担不起？

Right. Indianapolis has many branches of the public library. The local one to me is on the smaller side, and they have a weekly board game, club. But also when you when I go in, they'll have you know, right now, it's it's flu shots. You if do you need a flu shot and you can't afford it?

图书馆就能帮你。所以从这个角度看，是的，图书馆是超棒的社区中心。

Well, the library's got you. So there's a like, to that, that's yes. Libraries are amazing, community centers.

就我个人而言，图书馆的桌游俱乐部时间安排不太适合我。我想晚上玩游戏。但大多数图书馆晚上不开门。或者我看到他们会说‘本周六下午三点到五点有游戏活动’。

They are tough for board game clubs for me on a personal level just because the timing of libraries doesn't fit my schedule. I wanna game at night. Yeah. Most libraries aren't open at night. Or I'll see, like, they'll have, like they'll be like, we're gaming this Saturday from three to five.

我就想，好吧。这这这...

I'm like, okay. That's That's That's

算不上真正的游戏。

not a game.

懂我意思吗？这对很多人来说挺好的。我不是要贬低它，但对我来说，我不确定值不值得专门去，不过我很高兴他们举办这些活动。

You know? That's fine for a lot of people. I'm not trying to put it down, but for me, I'd be like, you know, I I don't know if it's worth me going to that, but I'm glad they do it.

确实。是的。我曾考虑过去做志愿者帮忙，但后来意识到自己的时间安排不够规律，无法做到。所以我决定直接捐款。

Absolutely. Yeah. Well, I considered going to volunteer to help out, but then I also realized that my schedule is not consistent enough that I can do that. So I will just donate.

我家附近的咖啡店开始举办桌游之夜，恰好和我私人游戏小组的聚会是同一天，每次都冲突。每次见到咖啡店老板我都特别愧疚。虽然我想支持他们，但你知道的，这和我固定的游戏之夜撞期了。

My local coffee shop has started doing a board game night, and it happens to be the exact same night that my personal game group meets, and it they just keep conflicting every single time. I feel terrible every time I see the owner of the coffee shop. And, yeah, I would be here, but, you know, you're conflicting on my game night.

没错。我还想让埃里克注明这些桌游的状态，这事常让我很伤感——我去参加活动时，有些游戏看起来像被坦克碾过似的。

Yeah. I also wanted Eric to put in here what condition are they in, and this is something that I'm often very saddened about because I'll go to these things, and it looks like tanks ran over a couple of them.

这周末我见到一副被玩得破旧的UNO牌。

I've seen a really well loved UNO deck, this weekend.

是啊。如果你经营爱彼迎民宿要提供桌游，我能理解它们会被使用，但至少别让它们变成垃圾。这其实是爱彼迎的通病——几年前我们去PAX Unplugged时租了间号称'欢乐屋'的房子。

Yeah. And sometimes it's just like, if you if you own an Airbnb and you're gonna put board games in it, I get it. They're, you know, they're gonna get used, but try to keep them from just being trash. Now this is an Airbnb problem in general. When we went to Pax Unplugged a few years ago, we got a house of fun.

那里有弹球机、电子游戏和各种大型桌游。但实际状况用'轻度使用'来形容都算客气了。倒不是说特别糟糕，但和照片展示的肯定有差距。

They, like, had a pinball machine and video games and big board games and stuff. And we went there, and it was to say it was gently used is an understatement. It was it it wasn't terrible. Right? I mean, it was fine, but it was certainly different than the pictures.

不过那张台球桌当游戏桌还挺合适的。

Yeah. The pool table made a pretty good gaming table, though.

哦，原来你也住过那间。

Oh, you were at that.

是啊。只要别把米宝棋放进球袋就没事，不过...

I was. As long as you avoided putting meeples in the pockets, then then it was a problem. But

对，我们当时就在台球桌上玩游戏。再说一次，那地方不算差，就是比较破旧。记不清他们有没有提供桌游了，可能有两三款吧。

That's right. We were playing games at the pool table. It was and, again, it wasn't a terrible place, but rundown. So I don't remember if they had board games there or not. They probably had a couple.

但我不清楚你们在这方面具体怎么做。物尽其用即是爱物，这倒是件好事。

But I don't know what you do in that regard. Well used means well loved, so that's a positive thing.

但功能性很重要，你总归需要它们能正常使用。

But functional, you still need them to work.

没错。爱彼迎这类公共场所的难点在于——既然是公共空间，就意味着面对的是大众。不是每位访客都会像你这样爱惜物品。作为房东或清洁人员，他们可能只关注清洁而不会维护游戏状态。所以定期更换新游戏或尝试修补是必要的——这时候二手店和朋友就派上用场了。这也解释了为何二手店总有那么多重复的拼字游戏。

Right. Airbnbs are hard in the sense or any sort of, any kind of public place, that means you're talking about the public. So whoever comes in, not everybody is going to be as respectful as you're so as an Airbnb person, you're the owner or you're hiring people to clean, and they are probably not they're looking at cleaning and not looking at mending the condition of the games, which means, you know, if you're gonna put them out there correct, every so often, have to go in and cull and put in new ones or try to repair, which again, thrift stores, friends. But that's probably why you see so many copies of Scrabble because thrift stores have so many copies of Scrabble.

你需要多套游戏才能凑齐完整的字母牌

You need multiple copies to get the full collection of letter tiles at

确实如此。百分之百同意。

some point. A 100%.

好了各位，你们已回答了问题。欢迎在Facebook群组或Board Game Geek论坛告诉我们：你在哪里发现过最有趣的桌游小收藏？又发现了哪些酷炫游戏？我很想听听这类故事。

So that's so, folks, you answered the question. Tell us in Facebook group or in our forums on Board Game Geek. Tell us where the most interesting place you found a little collection of board games is and what cool games you've discovered there. Because I like to hear about this sort of thing.

我要把这条写进遗嘱——等我离世后，孩子们必须带着我的收藏走遍全国，在他们到访的每个地方都留下些游戏。

I'm I'm putting this in my will. When when I go, my kids have to travel the country and just spread my collection in every place they visit.

埃里克刚提出了新话题，我们将在未来某期节目里讨论。

Eric's just introduced a new topic, folks, that we'll talk about in a future episode.

噢。问题。问题。问题。

Oh. Questions. Questions. Questions.

问题来了。好，我们收到山姆的留言，他说很喜欢我们的播客。谢谢山姆。他还提到自己定期参加两家图书馆举办的本地聚会。

Questions. Alright. We have a question from Sam who says that he enjoys our podcast. Thank you, Sam. And he says, I semi regularly attend local meetups at two libraries.

嘿，我们刚才还在聊这个。是的，图书馆为人们提供了专门的游戏空间。通常在周六从上午十点开放到下午四点，有一群核心成员会参加。

Hey. We were just talking about that. Yeah. The libraries provide a separate space for people to game. They usually run from ten to four on a Saturday, and there's a core group of people that will attend.

那里玩的游戏种类繁多，但大多数是欧式策略游戏，根据游戏复杂度和玩家的分析瘫痪程度，一局大概持续一到四小时。通常人们刚到时会先玩些派对游戏或简单卡牌游戏，之后会分成三五人小组玩更复杂的游戏。山姆说他半年没去了，但几周前参加了一次，有位他喜欢一起玩游戏的哥们热情招呼他，提议玩《梅尔夫》——这游戏是那位常客刚从另一位老玩家手里买来的。

There's a wide range of games played, but the majority of games are euros, which will last one to four hours depending on the game and players analysis paralysis. There will be party games and simple card games played usually early as people arrive before people break off into groups of three to five to play heavier games. Sam says I hadn't been there for several six months, but he managed to get to a session a couple weeks ago, and he's welcomed back by a guy he enjoys playing games with. And that gentleman said, let's play Merv, which he had just brought from another regular attendee. He had bought it from that attendee.

第三位玩家加入后我们开始布置游戏，那人讲解规则时，旁边有位山姆称为鲍勃的人表示想加入，但我朋友说这游戏四人体验不佳且规则复杂——说不定他朋友是汤姆·维塞尔。总之其他人也在组局，我本以为鲍勃会加入别的游戏，但并没有。

A third player joined us, and we started setting up, and he began to teach. A chap, and Sam is gonna call this person Bob, was sitting close by and expressed interest in joining, but my friend said the game didn't play well at four and was very complex. Maybe his friend is Tom Vessel. Anyway Mhmm. Other people were setting up games, and I assumed Bob would jump in on one of them, but that didn't happen.

其他人到场后开了局《食物链高阶版》三人局，鲍勃不在其中。他又绕回我们这儿，当时我们还在讲解规则。鲍勃不断询问游戏细节，比如哪里能买到之类的。

Other people arrived in a game. A food chain magnet was set up for three. Bob wasn't one of them. Bob cycled back to us, and we were still going through the teach. Bob was asking questions about the game, where he could buy it, etcetera.

最终我们开始游戏，节奏很快没人卡顿。有位玩家把规则书递给鲍勃看，后来他不知何时走开了。我问另外两位怎么回事，显然他们坚决不想和鲍勃玩——其实这游戏完全能支持四人局。

Eventually, we started the game, and it was fast paced. No one had analysis paralysis. One of the other players passed the copy of the rule book to Bob to have a look at. Bob wandered off at some point, and I asked the other two what was up as they clearly were dead set against playing the game with Bob. The game could easily have accommodated a fourth player.

他们总结说鲍勃简直是游戏噩梦，除了最简单的卡牌游戏什么都理解不了。遇到复杂游戏，你得手把手教他每回合操作。原来他来过好几次，好些常客都明确表示不愿再和他玩。山姆说这局面让他很尴尬。

In summary, they said Bob was a nightmare to play with. He couldn't understand anything but the simplest of card games. Anything more complex, you essentially have to tell him what to do on each of his turns. It transpired that he had been along several times before, and several of the regulars had said they would never play a game with him again. Sam said I felt bad about the situation.

聚会本是公共场所欢迎所有人，通常老玩家会帮新手适应，推荐简单游戏。但对很多人来说，这是每周甚至每月唯一能玩深度策略游戏的机会。如果他们与鲍勃的游戏体验很糟，就不能指望人家自愿重蹈覆辙。谢谢山姆征求我们对此的建议。

The meetups are in a public place, and everyone is welcome. Generally, the regulars try and make newcomers feel comfortable and introduce them to easier games if they have no or little gaming experience. Having said that, for many, this is their one chance a week or maybe even month to put get in a heavy thinky game. If they have played a game with Bob before and found it to be an awful experience, then you can you can't expect them to voluntarily go through that same scenario again. Thanks, Sam, for then asking us what would we advise in that situation.

老玩家是否该委婉告诉鲍勃或许桌游不适合他？虽然我们都喜欢快节奏卡牌游戏，但也不想整场只玩这些。他强调鲍勃的言行举止并无冒犯之处，人很友善——我本人就见过这位鲍勃好几次。

Should the regulars politely tell Bob that perhaps board gaming isn't for him? Many of us like quick card games, but there's a limit to how many we want to play in a session. And he says he wants to emphasize that there was nothing about Bob's manner or the way he conducted himself to be offensive or anything else. He seemed perfectly pleasant. I have met said Bob on multiple occasions.

我们谁没遇到过鲍勃呢。

We have all met Bob at some point.

经典鲍勃模板了属于是。

It's an archetypical Bob.

是的。但关键在于——这不是你的责任去迁就或劝阻鲍勃如何生活。我理解这位新人对此感到不安，但鲍勃是个成年人，他正自主决定自己对什么感兴趣。同样，你的朋友们也是成年人，他们已有机会与鲍勃相处并做出自己的选择。必须说，他们的行为也并无冒犯之处。

Yes. But here's the it's it's not it's not your job to accommodate or dissuade Bob from living his life. So, you know, I understand that this person feels bad because they're new on the scene to the situation, but Bob is an adult who has made his is making his own decisions on what he may or may not be interested in. Likewise, your friends are adults who have had their chance to play with Bob and make their own decisions. I must they were not offensive either.

他们或许可以更明确地设定界限，比如告诉鲍勃：‘我们和你玩过游戏，但简单些的游戏体验更好，今天我们就玩这个。’但这需要他们自己主动去做。如果他们不愿或感到不适，那也是个人的选择。如果你想额外付出，可以安排轮换机制：‘这周我先陪鲍勃玩轻度游戏，之后再交接。’但这属于超常之举了。

They maybe could set a boundary a little bit better and say, Bob, I we've played games with you, and it just goes better when it's an easier game, and we're playing this game today. I think that that but that's on them to do personally. And if they don't want to and are uncomfortable with it, again, that's that's their individual decision. I think if you want to go above and beyond and set up a rotation of, okay, well, this week, I'm gonna play this light game with Bob first, and then I'm gonna pass him off. That would be an above and beyond.

当然你可以这么做，但据我所知你并非社区管理者。所以偶尔主动承担没问题，明确表达界限也同样合理。

And sure, you could do that, but you're not the community manager as far as I can tell. So so it's it's okay. And so it's okay to every once in while take it upon yourself. It's also okay to communicate boundaries.

对。说到社区管理者，这更属于他们的职责范围——应该观察是否有不同类型的游戏难度可供选择。如果鲍勃和其他想玩轻度游戏的人仍无处可去，或许该由他们发起：‘我们来组织些轻度游戏吧。’

Yeah. I think that it's speaking of the community manager, that's probably more in their, ballpark that they should be looking around and seeing if there's a good variety of game weights being represented. And if Bob is still floating and other people who are looking for something lighter are still floating, maybe it's up to them to say, let's get something started that's a lighter game.

确实。但我不认为应该要求活动组织者总是承担这个责任，因为他们可能只是单纯想召集大家玩游戏，并不想深入参与。

Sure. But I don't know that I wanna put that on the person who ran this that they have to always then do that because this person might be someone who's just like, let's get together and play games, and that's the extent of their involvement.

嗯。嗯。

Mhmm. Mhmm.

我应对生活中‘鲍勃们’的方式是：在聚会上遇到时，我会告诉自己‘这周该我上了’。这只是我个人做法，不要求他人效仿。

The way I deal with the Bobs in my life is when I go to a meetup and there's a Bob or so there, I will say, alright. This is my week. You know? And I this is just me. I'm not telling anyone else to do it.

我会陪鲍勃玩一局，并刻意避开复杂游戏——因为知道结果会怎样。选个中度或更简单的游戏，结束后就说：‘我要去和其他人聊聊了’，直到看见鲍勃分心，再开始重度游戏。

I'll I'll play a game with Bob. And I and I will deliberately not play a very complicated game because I know where that's gonna head. So I'll play some light midway game or lighter than that. And then I'm like, alright. And then when I'm done, I say, I'm gonna get up and go around and talk to the other players, and I do that till I see Bob distracted, then I'll start my heavier game.

如果鲍勃想加入，我通常会说：‘三人局，四人就太拖了。’但最主要的应对原则是：既然是公开活动，就得接受——

And if Bob comes, I will say often the same thing. It's three players. It's too long with four. But my main way of dealing with Bob is it's a public event. You go to that.

‘鲍勃们’总会存在。顺便向所有叫鲍勃的听众道歉，但你们懂的。而私人活动我会严格筛选，比如我们‘骰塔’的聚会就是如此。

Bobs are gonna be there. Sorry, by the way, to all Bobs listening to this podcast, but you know what I mean. I know. And then I have private events, and I heavily curate them. You know, we have a meetups here at Dice Tower where people come and play games.

如果你在迈尔斯堡地区，问我‘你是怎么过来的？’但当我听到人们说‘嘿，我朋友能来吗？’时，我的第一个问题是反问他们：‘也许我可以在其他场合先和他们玩一局，看看他们的水平，再决定是否邀请他们加入这里。因为我们有时会玩一些相当复杂的游戏，我不想让那些每周或每月才玩一次的人，一来就陷入本该两小时却拖到五小时的游戏。’

And if you're in the Fort Myers area, ask me, well, how have you come by? But when I people are like, hey. Can my friend come by? My first question, I asked them. I'm like, well, maybe I could play with them in a different setting and see how they are before I invite them to this because here, we're all gonna jump into pretty heavy games sometimes, And I don't want it to ruin, especially for people who play once a week or once a month, and they come in and play a two hour game that is now five.

然后他们就不再来了，但鲍勃依然坚持。我就想，拜托。

And then they don't come back, but Bob still does. And I'm like, come on.

我想如果你知道自己可能成为潜在的鲍勃，你应该自带几款熟悉的轻量级游戏。如果无法参与重度游戏，就发起轻量级游戏并寻找志同道合的玩家。

And I guess if you know that you might be a potential Bob, you should come armed with a couple of light games that you know are good. And if you aren't able to sit in on some of the heavier stuff, start up, the lighter game and and look for players on that front.

我理解没人愿意直面鲍勃在桌游技巧、理解力或熟练度上的不足——尽管他充满热情。谁都不想让他难堪，但如果所有人都在回避他（这段对话的潜台词就是鲍勃四处游荡却无人邀请），这就是为什么游戏开局时总没有他的位置。

And and I understand. Nobody wants to confront Bob about his lack of skill or understanding or adept nature of of playing board games despite his enthusiasm. And I get that. You don't wanna make him feel bad, but if everybody's avoiding him because this the subtext of all of this was Bob was wandering around and nobody was everybody was doing this to Bob. That's why nobody was why he kept games were getting started, and he wasn't in on it.

如果情况如此——哦对了鲍勃还不肯离开，

So if that's the case, oh, and and Bob is not leaving,

那么

then

我认为更好的方式是开诚布公：‘嘿，你玩游戏有些吃力但很热爱，具体喜欢哪些方面呢？’重申这并非任何人的义务，难点就在于此。但如果你想成为社区的好成员，或许需要一次坦诚对话。

so think it's better to have a conversation where you're like, hey. So you struggle playing games, but you really enjoy them. What about them do you enjoy? Like and again, that's it's not anybody's particular job, and that's the hard part. But if you wanna be a good community person, maybe having a frank conversation.

这里我们换个说法。比如问‘你喜欢游戏的哪些元素？’然后可以约定：‘好吧，这款游戏将专属于你，你要反复玩直到完全掌握。’

There. We got a different name in here. And say, what, you know, what about games do you like? And maybe get, like, saying, okay. So this game is gonna be your game, and you're gonna play this game until you are very comfortable with it.

比如让鲍勃每周玩《车票之旅》直到得心应手，再让他作为迎新大使教新玩家。这些方法可行，但再次强调，若这不是你作为社区管理者的职责，那就是额外付出。值得提倡吗？当然。

And and maybe so, you know, Ticket to Ride every week until Bob feels very comfortable with Ticket to Ride, and then have him be the welcome wagon for new players and teach them the Ticket to Ride. Like, there's things you could do. But but, again, if it's not your community management position that's taking that's going above and beyond. Is it a nice thing to do? Sure.

必须这样做吗？绝对不是。

Is it required? Absolutely not.

你绝对不应该告诉他们游戏不适合他们。是的，也许不是重度游戏，

You definitely should not tell them gaming is not for them. Yeah. Maybe not heavy gaming,

但别

but don't

告诉他们桌游不适合他们。任何人都可以玩桌游，关键是要找到适合他们的游戏。仅此而已。

tell them board gaming is not for them. Anyone can play board games. You just gotta find the ones that are for them. That's all.

对，对，没错。好了，接下来是提摩西的问题。

Yeah. Yeah. Correct. Alright. Moving on to a question from Timothy.

提摩西说：我今年高三，计划去——抱歉，什么？刚才说什么？

Timothy says, I'm a senior in high school this year. I'm planning on going sorry. What? What was that?

我在说恭喜。上面写着‘恭喜’。

I'm saying congrats. It says to to Congrats.

是的。我计划2026年上大学。我有大约30款游戏的收藏，不确定该怎么处理。我绝对不想扔掉它们，但也不确定是否该搬到宿舍。

Yes. I'm planning on going to college in the '26. I have a game collection that I'm not sure what to do with. It's somewhere around 30 games. I definitely don't wanna get rid of them, but I am also not sure about hauling them to a dorm room.

我该把它们留在家直到有房子或公寓吗？搬家时你建议用什么装它们？行李箱、纸箱之类的？

Should I leave them home until I get a house or apartment? And when I do move them, what do you suggest I store them in? Suitcase, cardboard boxes, etcetera?

首先我要说，提摩西，根据个人经验，在把东西留在家前先和父母谈谈。没错，我不知道你情况如何，但有些母亲——愿我妈安息——可能会说

Well, the first thing I'll say, Timothy, is, from personal experience, have a conversation with your parents before leaving anything at home because Yep. I don't know about you, but some mothers, rest in peace, mom, tend to, like, say

抓住这个机会。

Take the opportunity.

他们不需要

They don't

这些了，得处理掉这些东西。所以如果你要把东西留在家里——比如我孩子请求把他们的棋盘游戏收藏留在家，我会答应，无论是什么收藏我都会同意。但一旦你大学毕业，要么带走，要么我就处理掉。这就是我会告诉他们的。

need this anymore and get rid of stuff. So if you're leaving at home, which if my kids asked to leave their little board game collection home, I would say yes or whatever the collection is. I'd say yes. But once you're out of college, get it or I'm getting rid of it. That would be what I would tell them.

这里必须有个时间线约束。

There's gotta be a timeline associated here.

我去上大学，感恩节回来时，我的房间变成了劳拉·阿什利（Laura Ashley）的梦幻仙境。

I left for college, and I came back at Thanksgiving. And my room had turned into a, Laura Ashley Wonderland.

什么？

What?

是啊。原本我的房间虽然不算难看，但绝对是单色调的，非常朴素。到处贴满了海报。结果海报不见了，藏书也没了。

Yeah. It went from like like, I was not that my my room was hideous, but it was definitely monochromatic and just real basic. And I had posters everywhere. Posters were gone. Book collection was gone.

所有东西都没了。整个房间就像被鲜花吐得到处都是。我妈还说：‘反正你走了’。

Everything was gone. It looks like just flowers just vomited everywhere in the in the room. And my mother was like, well, you left.

嗯哼。

Uh-huh.

她以为我不回来了。可我说我会回来啊。所以没错，一定要和父母沟通。你能想到这点我很欣赏。

I thought you were done. And I was like, I but I was coming back. So, yes, absolutely. Have the conversation with your parents. I love that you're thinking about it.

这展现出了远见和责任感。

That's showing a level of forethought and responsibility.

是的。

Yep.

是的。所以希望你的父母能尊重这一点。而且，我会把它们存放在纸箱里，而不是行李箱里，用硬纸板箱。

Yep. So hopefully, your parents, respect that. And, I would store them in boxes, not suitcases, cardboard boxes.

对。

Yeah.

如果他们不感兴趣存放这些东西，也许也需要进行那场对话。存放多久？这样你就不会只是把它们留下然后...我想大概是四年，或者可能是五年，因为你知道，我离开后，不确定什么时候准备好。也要进行那场对话。他们的极限是什么时候会厌倦，这样你就不会有一天被他们突然说‘够了’而措手不及。

If they aren't interested in storing them and and have maybe have that conversation too. For how long? So that you don't just leave them and then and is it for the I think it's gonna be for four years, or it might be five because, you know, after I leave, I'm not sure when I'm ready. Have that conversation too. What is their maximum before they get tired of it so that not one day you're blindsided by them being like, alright.

够了。来拿走。对你来说，你可能以为已经安排好了。所以，你要了解你的父母。我爱我妈妈。

Enough. Come take it. Where for you, you thought it was just it was already set. So, you know and also know your parents. My mother, I love her.

她完全无法忍受任何形式的杂乱。所以她无法忍受任何形式的杂乱。所以我留在家里东西...我没有进行那场对话，但我也知道她是什么样的人，我应该更清楚。所以要有先见之明，也要了解你的父母是否愿意让你把箱子留在他们的阁楼或地下室。还有，他们会好好存放吗？

She can't handle clutter in any way, shape, or form. So she couldn't handle clutter in any way, shape, or form. So things that I left at home were were and I, you know, didn't have the conversation, but I also know who she is as a person, and I should have known better. So having the foresight and also knowing who your parents are and whether or not they're gonna be okay with you leaving boxes somewhere in their attic, in the basement. Also, are they gonna store it?

地下室会淹水，变得潮湿。

Basements flood and get damp.

是啊。是啊。

Yeah. Yeah.

阁楼也一样。所以要存放

Same with attics. So Store

对了，用箱子或者储物箱。

in boxes, by the way, or or or or bins.

或者收纳箱。塑料箱在那些情况下更防水或耐水。

Or bins. Plastic bins are more waterproof or war water resistant for those situations.

没错。不过问题是这样的。

Yep. Here's the thing, though.

我会选五个带在身边。

I would pick five to bring with you.

我只是说，我会带几个，因为你可能会说，我不知道有没有时间玩。我是说，可能真没时间。但带几个不会把房间弄得太乱，说不定就用上了。不过一定要挑几个派对游戏带上。即使你不是派对游戏狂热粉，大学生们经常想玩的就是这类游戏。

I just say, I would take a few with you because you might say, I don't know if I have time to play. Mean, you might not. But having a few isn't gonna clutter your room up too much, and it just might work. But try to pick definitely take a couple party games. Even if you're not a huge party gamer, that's the kind of game college kids are gonna wanna play often.

带个他们没玩过的游戏你会成为英雄。你就像说，我就带了一个，他们会问，这是什么？然后你们会玩上无数遍。

And you will be a hero for bringing a game that they've not played before. You're like, I brought, you know, just one, and they're like, what's that? And then you're gonna play it a 100,000,000,000 times.

很多遍。

A lot.

对。你会被称为游戏达人，因为你有五套，

Yep. And you'll be known as the game guy because you have five copy,

然后你会把它留在宿舍让后来的人发现。

and then you'll leave it in the dorm for someone to find in the future.

什么？哦，首尾呼应了。

What? Oh, full circle.

盗梦空间式结局。好吧。真为你高兴。恭喜你快完成高中学业，但你能提前考虑这些说明你非常精明，因为我当年完全没想过这些。

Inception. Okay. Yeah. This is exciting. Congrats on finishing up with do well your final year senior year, but you are a very astute young man to be thinking about this ahead of time because I did not even remotely.

恭喜你做到了。

So congrats on that.

是啊。说实话，我正盼着大孩子搬出去，这样我就能在他们房间放棋盘游戏了。

Yeah. Frankly, I'm looking forward to when my oldest moves out because I can start putting board games in their room.

我们得聊聊那个话题。我以前会举着孩子们的东西站在池塘边拍照，问他们‘这东西你们还要不要？’但他们总会把东西拿走。不过说真的，每次他们从大学回来，总会落下点什么。我都记不清上次没给他们寄东西是什么时候了。

We need to get to that other topic. I would just show pictures of me holding my kids' stuff over like a a pond to be like, what do you want done with this? But they they get their stuff. Although, I swear, every time they visit from college, they always leave something. I'm I've I don't know the last time I haven't shipped something.

太好了。我得查查联邦快递门店在哪儿

Great. I'll have to find out where the FedEx store

这将成为常态，Eric。你会明白的。他们会突然说‘哦，我落在那儿了，我现在需要’。

is. Gonna be a thing, Eric. You'll find out. They'll be like, oh, I left this there, and I need it.

那可是非常重要的东西。

It's very important.

游戏啊游戏。哇哦。

Games. Games. Woo hoo.

人们说每朵玫瑰都有刺，但可不是每朵玫瑰都配呼啦圈。

They say that every rose has its thorn, but not every rose has a hula hoop.

好了Eric，我想先听你说，因为你暗示过你有个游戏评分不到九分。

Alright. Eric, I wanna hear yours first because Eric hinted that one of his games is less than a nine.

没错。好吧，那我们...我们先说高兴的事。这次我的‘玫瑰’是Tom提到的——我记得你在前几期节目里聊过——‘双打组’这个游戏。

Yes. Well, alright. Well, let's let's start with the happy one first. My rose this time is one that Tom, I think you talked about a few episodes back, Tag Team.

真是

Such a

一款精彩的游戏。这是一款自动战斗对决游戏，每位玩家需选择两个阵营各两名角色，并将他们的卡牌混洗在一起。但起始时你只有两张卡牌，每人仅一张初始卡，你需要决定这些卡牌的出牌顺序。接着你们会轮流抽牌，每张卡牌会标明谁防守、谁进攻、对对手采取什么行动。你将积累能量。

good game. This is an auto battling duel game in which you you draft two factions, two characters for each player, and you sort of shuffle their cards together. But you begin with two cards, just one starter card each, and you decide what order you're going to put those cards in. And then you go through the deck, And each card is gonna say who is defending, who is attacking, what you do to the other players. You're gonna earn some energy.

你将积蓄力量发起攻击，目标是彻底击倒对手之一。但首回合结束后（首回合通常波澜不惊），你们可以从共享牌堆抽取三张卡，选择其中一张插入序列任意位置。这就形成了石头剪刀布般的博弈——比如首次交锋时我的攻击被对方格挡了，那么这次我该把新卡放在哪里才能打乱节奏，确保下次攻击命中？

You're gonna build up power. You're going to attack, and you're trying to knock out your opponent or one of your opponents, completely. But then after that round is done, not much is gonna happen in the first round, you then get to draw three cards from this shared deck, choose one of them, and put it wherever you want in the sequence. And it becomes that rock paper scissors, My attack was blocked by the other player the first time we went through. So now where do I put this new card to mess up that timing so that my attack goes through next time?

我该前置卡牌来延迟攻击，迫使对方提前格挡吗？但对手也会预判你的策略——'我知道他们会避开格挡，所以我要把卡牌放在最前面'。除了这种心理博弈，每个角色还有独特技能，玩法各异。游戏里藏着超多有趣的连招组合等待发掘。

Do I play in the beginning to delay so that the block comes earlier? But then the other player goes, I know they're gonna try and avoid the block, so I'm gonna put the card in the front. So you're playing that game, plus all the powers that go with each of these individual characters. They all play a little bit differently. There's a whole bunch of fun, combos to explore here.

具体细节就不赘述了，总之《Tag Team》超级有趣。这种逐张构筑牌组并精准把控时序的机制（因为牌组不需要洗牌，顺序固定）实在是非常非常酷。

I'm not gonna go into too much more detail other than tag team is a lot of fun. And, and just that simple concept of building your deck one card at a time and the timing because you don't shuffle the deck, you keep them all in that order, is pretty, pretty cool.

没错没错，这游戏太好玩了。盒子里已经预告要出扩展包了，我看到下个版本的广告时就在想——

Yeah. Yeah. It's such a fun game. They already said there's gonna be a expansion in the box. There's an ad there's an ad for the next one, and I'm like

有吗？我都没注意到。

Is there I missed that.

有的，广告上有剑与石的图案。我当时就想：'哦？新角色会是谁呢？'不过光是基础盒的内容，就已经是我玩过最棒的格斗类填充游戏了，质量真的超高。

Yeah. It shows a sword and a stone. I'm like, oh, I wonder who's coming. But but even in this box, this is, like, the best fighting filler game I've ever played. It's such a good game.

现在说说我的心头刺。我向来是Grand Gamers Guild出品18卡密室解谜游戏的死忠粉，他们有一整个节日主题系列，现在大概有12款了。还有《Endangered》衍生系列我也非常满意。

So moving on to my thorn. I have been a huge fan of the 18 card escape games, puzzle games from Grand Gamers Guild. There's a whole series of holiday themed ones. I think there's 12 now. There's also an offshoot of the Endangered series, which I've been very happy with.

这个新系列与他们其他桌游产品线联动，首作名为《Journey to Tir Nanogue》。不同于节日系列的设计师，本作由Ken Franklin操刀——他以《曼斯基大劫案》闻名，并与Chris Leader合作设计过多款作品。据我所知，这是他首次尝试密室逃脱类游戏。

This is a new series that ties into their other titles, in their board game line, and the first of those is journey to Tir Nanogue. This is a different designer than the holiday ones. This is actually, Ken Franklin, who is known for the Mansky caper, and he's done a lot of work with Chris Leader in designing stuff. So he's he's got a a pedigree of of lots of other board game titles. As far as I know, this is his first escape room game.

在《Journey to Tirna Node》中，你将逐步解开这18张卡牌。它采用相同的系统输入答案。如果你熟悉节日恶作剧系列游戏，你会了解基本玩法。不过区别在于，节日游戏通常适合全家参与且容易上手，谜题引导非常顺畅。你可能会遇到一些小障碍，但整体相当直观。

In Journey to Tirna Node, you're gonna work your way through these 18 cards. It uses the same system, in entering your answers in. If you're familiar with the holiday hijinks games, you're gonna know how this generally works. The difference here, though, is that while the holiday games are generally pretty family friendly and easy to jump into, they they on onboard you pretty smoothly into these puzzles. You might run into a couple of speed bumps, but it's pretty straightforward.

《Journey to Tir Nanogue》可不会手把手教你。从第一个谜题开始，你不仅需要根据卡牌上的上下文线索推理，还得做出一些未被明确提示的逻辑跳跃。比如要思考：也许我需要这样排列才能说得通。此后难度逐渐攀升——我从第二个谜题就开始索要提示了。

Journey to Tir Nanogue does not hold your hand. It it very quickly, even from the first puzzle, not only do you have to go with the context clues that are on the card that you're trying to figure out, but also make a couple of logical leaps that aren't necessarily presented to you. You have to go, well, maybe I need to organize things this way because that would make some sort of sense. And and from then on, it gets more difficult. I was asking for hints from the second question, from the second puzzle.

这款游戏非常注重文字游戏。如果你喜欢双关语，可能会对它很感兴趣。但我个人对文字游戏没那么热衷，我更偏爱...

This is very strong on the on word play. If you enjoy word play, you might be very interested in this game. I am not as much of a fan of wordplay. I like finding

如果你认识Ken的话就完全说得通了。

That makes complete sense if you know Ken.

对，没错。

Who is Yeah. Yep.

有道理。我不想剧透太多，但觉得有必要解释其中一个谜题：当你卡住时，我查看了通常很棒的提示系统——它是渐进式的，可以通过多种方式获得轻微提示，需要时还能获取更多信息。我就这样不断尝试...

That makes sense. So there's like, I I don't wanna spoil too much, but I think I need to explain just like, one of these puzzles, you start If you get stuck, I'm looking at the, the hint system, which is usually very good. It get it's like a gradient hints. So there's multiple ways that you can get just a little bit of a nudge, but then you can get more info if you need to. And I just kept going, yeah.

好吧，这完全说不通。听着他提问的方式...对，我正在这么做。

Alright. That doesn't make any sense. Like, listen to the way he phrased the question. Yes. I'm doing that.

还是不明白。注意他解释时的停顿...好吧，依然毫无头绪。答案是两个单词。

I'm not getting it. So notice there's a pause in between the way that he explained this. Okay. That still means nothing. The answer is two words.

知道了，直接告诉我单词吧。我的挫败感持续攀升。然后提示说：离合诗是一种...行吧。

Got it. Tell me what the words are. And so my frustration level just kept going up. And then it says, an acrostic is a type of okay. Okay.

这种挫败感不断累积。当我终于解开那个谜题后，新任务是：将四个单词的字母打乱重组为另外四个词，如此重复五次才能完成谜题。接着还要划掉已用字母...复杂度越来越高。任何解谜游戏都可能从有趣变成'让我赶紧通关'，遗憾的是这款游戏让我太多次产生后者感受。

And so this got a little the like, the frustration level just kept going. And I got past that puzzle, and then it was take these four words and scramble the letters to form four other words, and then do that another five times to get to the end of the puzzle. And then whichever letters you used, cross those out on the it just got more and more complex. And as these then, you know, any puzzle game has this potential to cross the line from being fun to just just let me get through this. And, unfortunately, I found that too many times with this game.

它只是要求再多一点。不仅需要你掌握呈现的知识，这些游戏还会提供摩尔斯电码或旗语之类的参考指南——你清楚迟早会用上，但它就摆在那里。知识就在那儿，你可以找到。但这需要掌握大量词汇量。

It just it was asking for a little bit more. It asks for not just the knowledge that's presented to you or the these games also give you stuff like Morse code or, Semaphore that it's a it's a reference guide that you know you're gonna have to use at some point, but it's there. Like, the knowledge is there. You can find it. But this required a lot more vocabulary knowledge.

你需要认识很多单词。感觉就像在游戏杂志或当地报纸的填字游戏专栏解题，而非破解密室逃脱游戏。到最后我只会不断索要提示，只想赶快通关。最终谜题甚至涉及连笔字，我都不确定自己能否辨认——尽管我懂连笔书写。

You need to know a lot of words. You need to know, it felt like I was solving stuff in games magazine or in the local, crossword puzzle newspaper column and less about me solving an escape room game. And so by the end of it, I'm just asking for hints and just get me through this. I just wanna get to the end. And the final puzzle involves cursive that I'm not sure I could read even knowing how to read cursive.

到最后我只能放弃，心想：好吧，这不适合我。如果你喜欢文字游戏，这倒是个选择。但对我而言，这是很久以来遇到过最棘手的逃脱游戏。《提尔南诺格之旅》就是如此。

And I'm I was just by the end of it, I'm just go, okay. This is not for me. If you like word puzzles, this is a place to look. But for me, this was the thorniest escape game I've run into in some time. That's Journey to Tirnanogue.

发给我看看，我现在很好奇。其实我超爱文字游戏的。

Send it to me. I'm curious now. I'm I actually love wordplay. So

哦，或许你会喜欢。我很想听听爱好者的反馈。

Oh, well, maybe you'll like it. And I'd I'd love to hear from someone who likes this stuff.

百分之百感兴趣。最近我还玩了好几款...逃脱什么来着？18号密室逃脱系列。

A 100%. I also have played a number of the, Escape what is it? 18 Escape games recently.

他们现在这么命名了。

They're calling them now.

对。这里就不细说了。但我想说，我很好奇他们的提示系统。早期的很棒，最近的我在想是不是让设计师自己写提示了，或许该重新审核，让新人来优化提示机制。

Right. Not gonna talk about them here. But I will say, I am curious about those hint the hint system. The early ones I thought were great. More recently, I'm wondering if they're having the designers write them, and perhaps maybe they need to look at them again and have somebody fresh do what the hint system is.

好吧。朱莉你呢？最近玩到什么好游戏了吗？

Alright. What about you, Julie? Have you played any great games recently?

我...先从我的呼啦圈说起。那个《数独夏日祭》...其实我不确定算不算呼啦圈，可能是朵玫瑰？毕竟没人会惊讶我竟然不会...

I've I'll start with my hula hoop. Okay. So Kat Sudoku Sudoku Summer Festival is I mean, I don't know if it's a hula hoop. It's probably a rose because nobody should be surprised that I wouldn't

想想看吧。基本上已经告诉你这是什么了。

think do it. Pretty much tells you what it is.

没错。最初的《Katsudoku》是一款掷写游戏，你需要写下数字然后填充它们，遵循类似数独的规则——同一数字不能重复。而这个版本是2-4人游戏，玩家需要放置卡片。你有一个9x9的格子，有五组颜色各异的数字卡片（可能是1到9）。放置卡片时，同一行或列不能有相同颜色或数字。

Right. It's so there was an the original Katsudoku was a roll and write where you wrote the numbers, then you had to fill them in, and it was following Sudoku esque rules where you couldn't have the same number. This one is a two to four player game where you're putting in cards. So you have a nine by nine grid, and you have, I believe, five colors numbered one through nine perhaps. But you're putting down the cards, and you can't have the same color or number, orthogonal in the line or the row or column that you are placing it.

但玩家的得分取决于棋盘特定区域。你需要在自己的区域堆叠数字卡片（可以覆盖先前卡片），这意外形成了区域控制的玩法。不过你必须优先放置可用的卡片，否则需将卡片置于面前作为储备。通过奖励获得的鱼形标记（或普通方块）可以消耗两个来打出一张储备卡，但游戏结束时未使用的储备卡会扣分。

However, the player's score based on a specific area of the board. So you personally are gonna be trying to stack the your numbers in that section because you can lay cards over the previous cards. So it's a mindset of an area control, funny enough, but you you're forced to play the cards where you can. If not, you put them in front of you and you have them in reserve. You gain little well, if you get the bonus stuff, they were fish shaped, but otherwise cubes, tokens where you if you pay two, you can play one from your reserve to the board, but if you have them by the end of the game, they're worth negative points.

就这样。规则轻量简单却充满乐趣，策略上需要考虑将卡片放入特定列或区域的重要性。

That's it. That's the whole game. It was light. It was simple. It was very fun, and strategy wise, thinking about, well, I really want them in this column or this area was important.

在高阶玩法中，当你的区域与他人重叠时会变得有趣——你们可能偶尔形成临时联盟来争夺某些区域。不过整体仍是个轻度游戏。

At higher playing games, it gets interesting in the sense that your area overlaps with somebody else's area. So you were both going for certain you have alliances on occasion Mhmm. That work out in your favor. But that's the whole game. It's it's not a super heavy game.

这是个轻松愉快的游戏，主题也让我很开心。这就是我的亮点（玫瑰），至于槽点（荆棘）...

It's a light game. It was very fun to play, and, obviously, the theme makes me happy. So that was my rose. My thorn.

好的。明白了。

Yes. Okay.

接着说——前几周Eric已经聊过玩《四扇门》的体验，提到游戏难度很高。

Okay. So the other week, Eric already talked about playing four doors and how difficult it was to play.

是啊。不过我对那个系统还挺满意的。

Yeah. I was pretty happy with the the system, though.

那个系统对吧？简单来说：四扇门初始开启状态，当阴影侧积累超过3-4张牌时恶灵会侵入，此时需半闭门扉；若再次触发，则永久失去该门。

The system. Right. So the system, very quickly, you have the four door the four doors, and they are open, and bad spirits can get in if you get up to over three cards or four cards in one side or the other of the door of the shadows. You then partially close the door. If it happens again, you lose that door.

如果你失去了那扇门，且尚未通过它获得神器技艺，你就输掉了游戏。目标就是集齐四件神器，然后点亮顶部的灯笼。嗯。从玩法上看相当直接，算是同类机制中较为轻量的游戏。每位玩家操控一个拥有特殊能力的角色，在门之间上下移动，可能使用“照明”行动驱散部分阴影牌（将其放回弃牌堆）。但每次翻动弃牌堆时，都必须往门两侧放置更多阴影牌。

And if you lose that door and you haven't gotten the art of artifact from the through that door, you've lost the game. The object just get all four artifacts and then light the the lantern at the top. Mhmm. So gameplay wise, pretty straightforward, kind of a lighter weight game for what it's doing. And then each of the players has a character that has a special ability, and you're getting to move up and down between the doors, maybe illuminate, which casts away some of the shadows and puts them back in the discard, which but every time you have to go through the discard, you're upping the number of shadows that you have to put on on either side of the doors.

对我而言，单人模式失去了与其他玩家协作的紧张感。游戏机制中有个选项是“将一张手牌交给其他玩家”作为行动之一（每回合有三个行动点）。这种需要权衡是否牺牲自己行动点来成全队友的紧张感，恰恰是游戏的精髓所在。

So to me, playing it solo, you lose all the tension of coordinating with other players. One of the options and mechanics in the game is giving one of your cards to another player as one of your actions, and you have three actions that you could do. So are you giving up that action because you know they're gonna be able to do a thing? Like, that kind of tension is actually bringing a lot to the game.

明白了。

Okay.

单人模式完全不存在这种紧张感。你之前提到难以取胜，我倒没有这种感觉——可能是因为角色卡明确区分了多人/单人模式技能。但单人模式的调整方案根本...根本谈不上平衡。

None of that tension exists in a solo gameplay. So I know you said you were struggling about winning. I did not. I don't know if it's also the because a lot of the specific character cards say, here's here's what their ability is for a solo play, and here's the different thing. And the different thing just isn't it's it's not hidden.

那些调整要么过于强力，要么完全失衡。虽然可以用行动点切换角色，不像某些游戏强制锁定单一角色，但...（叹气）这种设计依然有问题。

It's they're not. They're either overpowered or not balanced at all. You use an action to switch out characters, so it's not something where you're like, I am playing Oh. This one character, and that's it. You can switch out.

你需要消耗一个行动来做这件事。但其中一张卡的效果是弃掉这张卡以切换至另一个角色。所以，感觉就像是事后才想到的补充设计。嗯。这并不像真正的游戏玩法，虽然我赢了，但游戏体验并不令人满意。

You lose an action to do it. But then also one of the cards was discard this card to switch out to another character. And so that, like, it just there was enough that it clearly felt like an afterthought. Mhmm. It didn't feel like actual gameplay, and I won, but it wasn't a satisfying gameplay.

因此，作为一款单人游戏，我要特别说明，《四扇门》对我来说是个棘手的存在。

So so as a solo game, I'm just qualifying this, The Four Doors is a thorn for me.

好吧。我度假时又玩了一次，还是没能通关。可能这游戏对我来说太难了。

Alright. I played again on vacation and still haven't won the game. So it it might be too hard for me.

和往常一样，我会为这期播客带回一些积极的能量。

Well, like normal, I'll bring back positivity to this podcast.

是啊，通常都是这样。好吧。

Yeah. That's how it usually goes. Okay.

说到难度，你们有人玩过《弑君者》吗？没有。有。《弑君者》是款我不太了解的游戏。我想它大概在2020年左右进入公有领域，应该是那时发布的。

Speaking of hard, have either of you played Regicide ever? No. Yes. So Regicide is a game that I don't know. I think it it it hit the public domain or something around 2020, I believe, is when it it came out.

这是款用普通扑克就能玩的游戏。你洗牌后，要对抗王室成员——杰克、皇后和国王。你把杰克牌洗好放在皇后牌上，皇后牌再放在国王牌上。翻开一张杰克牌，然后抽一手牌，必须用特定伤害值击败这个杰克。

It it's a game you can play with an ordinary deck of cards. You Okay. Shuffle the deck, and you are fighting against the royalty, the the the jacks, the queens, and the kings. And so you shuffle the jacks, put them on top of the queens, put them on top of the kings. You flip over a jack, and then you draw a hand of cards, and you have to hit that jack for a certain number of hit points.

比如你打出梅花8，就能对杰克造成16点伤害。为什么是16？因为梅花会使卡牌价值翻倍。但打出的牌会进入弃牌堆，你需要用红心牌回收这些牌。敌人会反击，所以要用黑桃牌格挡伤害，因为必须持续将伤害弃入一个堆。

So if you you play, like, maybe an eight of clubs, and you do 16 damage to the jack. Why 16? Because clubs double the the value of the card. But then the card you play is discarded, and you need to play hearts to get those cards back in your deck. They hit you back, so you need to play spades to block their damage because you have to keep discarding damage in a pile.

此外，只有打出方块牌才能补充手牌，因为方块允许你抽牌。

And, also, you don't get to draw cards unless you play diamonds, which let you draw cards in your hand.

是啊。要是没抽到方块怎么办？

Yeah. What if you don't have diamonds?

其实有变通方法——你有两张万能牌可用。说实话规则书说，多人游戏时如果首轮没人抽到方块，直接重洗牌再来。这游戏真的很难，我从没赢过。

Well, there are ways around it to use with the the the you have two jokers that you can play. And and, frankly, they say, if you're playing multiplayer and no one draws a diamond in their first hand, just reshuffle and do it again. Right? But, the game's really hard. I've never won.

我最远打到过最终国王面前，但游戏实在太有趣了。我一直在玩单人模式，非常着迷。《弑君者传承版》更棒——首先卡牌的花色现在有了新含义。

I've gotten to the last king, but it's such an interesting game. I've been playing exclusively solo. I'm just really liking it. But Regicide Legacy is even better. So first of all, you get a deck of cards where the suits are different now.

从某种意义上还是四种花色，但比如剑符号代表双倍攻击，盾牌符号代表格挡，这样更容易理解。击败这四个王室成员后会有新变化——卡牌会被贴上贴纸。

They're the same four suits in a sense, but they you know, a sword shows that it's double attack. Shield shows that it blocks. It just makes it easier in your head. And then after you fight these four royals, things happen. Cards are stickered.

新机制陆续出现。接着你要对抗不同的敌人群体（具体不剧透）。每盒游戏包含12个任务，我今晚应该要开始第六个任务。每个任务都有独特敌人和新元素——会出现新花色吗？

New stuff happens. And then you fight a different group of enemies, and I won't spoil it, but there's each box of this game, there's 12 missions. I'm on mission I'm about to do mission six tonight, I think. So each mission, they have different enemies to fight, and new things will appear. Would there be a new suit of cards?

谁知道呢？类似这样的惊喜很多。游戏还有个很棒的追赶机制——当你（不是如果）输掉一场战斗时...

Who knows? So there's things like that. But it also has a very fun catch up mechanism, essentially. So when you lose I'm not saying if. When you lose a a battle Yeah.

你打开M盒，我来剧透一下。其实没什么大不了的。M代表雇佣兵，你可以花费一枚硬币雇佣一个佣兵，加入你的牌组并再次游戏。注意我说的是当你输掉那局游戏时——我可没说‘如果’会输。

You open up the m box, and I'll spoil this. It's not that big of a deal. M stands for mercenaries, and you're like, you have a coin to spend. Hire one mercenary, put your deck, and play again. And then when you lose that game notice I didn't say if.

对，现在你有两枚硬币了。你可以保留原有佣兵，再雇佣一两个新佣兵。很棒。知道这意味着什么吗？

Yeah. Now you have two coins. You could keep the same mercenary you already had, and then you can hire one or two more mercenaries. Great. You know what that means?

最终你会赢的，因为你在往牌组里塞强力卡牌。不知道为什么这让我感觉好受些。我问：你打了六次才通关那个任务吧？没错，确实如此。

Eventually, you're gonna win because you're putting amazing cards in your deck. So I don't know why that that that makes me feel better. And I go, did it take you six times to beat that mission? Yes. It did.

但过程很有趣。然后你...

But it was fun. And the Then do you

完成任务后必须解雇佣兵吗？

have to get rid of the mercenaries if you once you complete?

当然。接着你离开，带着现有牌组开始新任务。不过你的牌组会大变样，有各种新机制。

Sure. Sure. Then you go away, you start the next one with your deck. But your deck is gonna change a lot. There's all kinds of different things.

再次声明我不想剧透太多，但牌组确实会变化。所有卡牌都有卡套，有时这会影响效果。新卡牌会出现，现有卡牌也能改造，但敌人总有新花样。每次遇到新机制我都惊叹不已。

I'm again, I'm trying not to spoil many of them, but your deck is gonna change. All the cards are sleeved, in your deck. So sometimes that matters if a card's sleeved or not. New cards might show up, ways to change your existing cards, but the bad guys keep having, you know, unique ways. Each time I get to a new one, I'm like, oh, wow.

看着当前牌组我觉得稳赢，结果敌人机制一亮相，我就知道要糟。好吧，可能会输。

I can't lose now, not with the deck the way it is. Then they introduce the bad guys, and I go, okay. I'm gonna lose. Okay. I could lose.

但很有趣，像解谜游戏。有人热衷多人模式，我不太感兴趣——主要因为那个愚蠢的禁言规则。

But it's fun. It's a fun puzzle. There are some people who swear by playing it multiplayer. I'm not as interested in that mostly because it has that stupid, you can't really communicate rule. And I don't know.

合作游戏不能交流对我来说很致命。比如‘我有好牌’都不能说？那还不如单机，至少知道自己有什么牌。

That for me in a co op game, that kinda kills most co op games for me. Like, oh, we can't talk to each other. Like, oh, I got a good card. I'll just play solo. I know what cards I have.

但我玩得很开心。我确实在网上看了一些评论，似乎十二局之后有一种传承玩法，可以一直持续下去。我希望如此，因为如果你喜欢弑君游戏，你会爱上这个。如果你从未玩过弑君，我认为这是个不错的入门方式，因为你的第一局游戏就是标准版的弑君。

But I'm I'm having fun playing it. I I did look at some reviews online, and it does seem like after twelve, there's a legacy way to play it where you just keep playing and playing. And I'm I hope so because I don't know. If you like regicide, you're gonna love this. If you've never played regicide, I think it's not a bad way because your first game of it is just regular Regicide.

对。

Right.

而且他们采用了一个系统，盒子并不大，比卡卡颂那种盒子稍长但更窄一些。因为里面有很多卡牌所以有点重，但很有趣，真的很吸引人。

And it's I don't know. They're they're taking a system, and it's not a huge box. It's, you know, a little bit longer but skinnier than a, say, Carcassonne style box. It's a little heavy because there's lot of cards in there, and it's fun. It's really interesting.

这就是我的亮点分享。

So that's my rose.

酷。那么这个弑君传承特别版是谁出版的？

Cool. So who who publishes this, this specific version of regicide legacy?

火星獾公司。

Badgers from Mars.

哦，那家公司啊。

Oh, those folks.

火星獾之前其实出版过标准版弑君。总得有人出版对吧？

So Badgers from Mars, they actually published a a a regular version of Regicide. Someone had to at some point. Right?

哦，他们确实出版过弑君的专用牌组。

Oh, they they there's some published deck for Regicide.

没错。所以他们现在推出了弑君传承版。我记得是众筹的，不过不是百分百确定。

Yeah. So they've had that. So now they made Regicide Legacy. I think it was Kickstarted. I'm not a 100% sure.

是的，它最初是通过Kickstarter众筹的。现在正式发布了。就像我说的，真的非常有趣。很棒。

Yes. It was Kickstarted. And so now it's out. So, like I said, really, really fun. Cool.

而我最近玩的呼啦圈游戏叫《Tenby》。我觉得现在桌游界有太多模式构建类游戏了，《Cascadia》就特别火。我理解这种趋势，你懂吧？

And then my hula hoop is a game called Tenby. Now I am getting I think one of the things that we're having too much of in board gaming right now are pattern building games. Cascadia is super popular. I get it. You know?

市面上这类游戏泛滥成灾，都是把这块拼图放那边得分，那种机制已经变得廉价又常见了。

And there's so many of these games out there. Put this tile next to this and score for this and this, and they're they're they're becoming a dime a dozen.

明白。

Okay.

但偶尔还是会遇到突破框架的作品。《Tenby》以威尔士的海滨小镇为背景，你要在面前构建Tenby的街道景观。它有点像...加州那个著名码头叫什么来着？

But still sometimes one breaks the mold for me. So Tenby, which is based on a town that's in Wales, a seaside town and community there, and you're building this streets in front of you of Tenby. It's a little bit it looks a little bit like, what's that popular pier in California?

渔人码头？不对...

Fisherman's Wharf? No. The

是威尼斯海滩那边。

No. Venice Beach area.

对！AEG公司还出过相关主题的游戏，名字我一时想不起来了。

Yeah. They made a game on it. AEG made that game on it. I forget what it's called.

没错没错，圣莫尼卡。

Yeah. Yeah. Santa Monica.

圣莫尼卡，对！圣莫尼卡。《Tenby》就带点那种风格，画面很可爱，但玩法设计才是真正有趣的部分。

Santa Monica. Right. Santa Monica. And so it has a little bit of that look. It's a very cute look, but the way the game plays is really fun.

有一堆卡片在你面前搭建起这座码头。每轮按顺序，有点像多米诺骨牌那样，轮到谁就先选一张卡，卡片上写着你可以添加两个城镇和一个码头部件到你的版图上。但此外，这张卡编号是14。所以如果你选了它，下一轮你很可能要最后行动。

There's a bunch of cards that build this pier out in front of you. And each turn in turn order, kinda like a king domino thing, whoever's first picks a card, and the card says you get to add two towns and one pier piece to your thing. But, also, this card is number 14. So if you pick that one, you're probably going last in the next round.

对。没错。

Right. Yeah.

是的。我很喜欢这个机制。而且拼装时看起来特别可爱，所有计分都基于视觉元素。比如每张卡会因相邻卡片得分，有些会因隔两张的卡得分，还有几栋建筑是为整条街计分的。

Yeah. So I like that. And it looks cute as you put them together, but everything is visually based. Like, every card scores for the cards next to it. Sometimes they score for cards that are two away, and there's a few buildings that score for the whole street.

卡片上会写着：此卡根据相邻两张卡上的海鸥数量计分。所以你只需要找那些小海鸥图案，或是这张卡根据路灯、遮阳篷、窗台上的花——甚至天上的云朵来计分。在搭建这些街道时充满趣味性，我真的很享受这个过程，非常惬意。

But they'll say, this card scores for seagulls on the two cards next to it. So you just look for little seagulls, or those this card scores for lamps or shades or flowers in the windows, and then, I don't know, or clouds in the sky. It's it just has a very fun feel as you're building these streets up. I really am enjoying this one. I it's pleasant.

这是个好游戏，搭建这些街道很有趣。完成后你会欣赏着说：这就是我的小镇。这个游戏叫Tenby，T-E-N-B-Y。我本来...

It's a good game, and it's fun to build these streets. When you're done, you're looking and go, that's my town. So that's Tenby, T E N B Y. Yeah. I I was I kinda

本来抱着试试看的心态。

went in like, yeah.

我们拭目以待吧。结果玩到最后我真的很喜欢

We'll see what happens. And at the end, I came out really enjoying

这个游戏。很棒。不错。

it. Cool. Nice.

如果觉得我在这期视频里过于乐观，我平时在YouTube频道常做《六款我替你试毒的游戏》系列。

If you think I'm too positive in this video, I do six games I played so you don't have to on the YouTube channel all the time.

哦，原来如此。

So Oh, there you go.

瞧瞧这些。我要把它们全烧了。总之，没错，新游戏正源源不断地涌现。现在这个时节，我们简直要被各种新游戏淹没了。

Check them out. I'll burn them down. So, anyway, yeah. So things are coming up. We're gonna be playing this is the the time of year where we have an embarrassment of riches of new games to play.

太多新游戏即将上市，我们会在未来的节目中讨论它们。在那之前，我是汤姆·瓦西尔。

So many are coming out, so we'll talk about them in future shows. But until then, I'm Tom Vassil.

我是朱莉·埃亨。

I'm Julie Ahern.

我是埃里克·萨默尔。

And I'm Eric Summerer.

我们《桌边闲谈》节目见。

And we'll see you At The Table.

感谢收听。《桌边闲谈》由汤姆、朱莉和埃里克制作，并得到骰塔工作室团队的协助。您可以在Facebook或BoardGameGeek的骰塔公会找到我们。游戏出版商提供了评测用游戏副本作为推广支持。戴夫·卡林根据蒂莫西·平卡姆的旋律编排了我们的主题曲，而DJ翻转到唱片B面时的操作则由Flip Tunes为您呈现。

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下次节目之前，我们全体《桌边闲谈》成员祝您游戏愉快。我上大学时连一款桌游都没有。

Until next time, from all of us at the table, have fun gaming. I went to college with zero board games.

要是我，至少会带一副《拼字游戏》去。

I mean, I would have brought a a copy of Scrabble.

我带了...好吧，我本来只带了两款游戏，结果毕业时攒了差不多十五款。我能怎么办？我就是爱玩游戏啊。

I took Okay. I took two and ended up with, like, 15 out of college. Yeah. What do want me to do? I play games.

没错。

Yeah.