617. 伊丽莎白一世：安妮·博林的私生女（下）

和安妮·博林如出一辙，她深知王后必须有王后的威仪。

And just as Anne Boleyn had done, she understands that a queen has to look like a queen.

总而言之，我认为她对伊丽莎白产生了巨大影响——伊丽莎白总是将情感寄托在继母身上，而她们却接连离世。

And so I think all in all, she becomes a huge influence on Elizabeth who she keeps fixing her attentions on would be stepmothers, and they keep vanishing.

现在她终于觉得，这次总算遇到一位值得托付的继母了。

And now she feels, well, at last, I've got one that, you know, that's that's a keeper.

这很重要，因为凯瑟琳成为继母时，正值伊丽莎白智力发展的关键阶段。

And this matters because Catherine becomes stepmother at a crucial point in Elizabeth's intellectual development.

你说凯瑟琳·帕尔是个非常聪明的女人。

And you said Catherine Parr is a very kind of smart woman.

她对伊丽莎白的教育非常关注，因为此时伊丽莎白已经超出了凯特的教导能力。

She takes a great interest in Elizabeth's education because by this point, Elizabeth has outgrown Kate's ability to teach her.

可惜这并不重要，因为此时的伊丽莎白正与弟弟爱德华一同成长。

Unfortunately, this doesn't matter because Elizabeth, by this point, is growing up alongside her younger brother, Edward.

由于爱德华注定要成为国王，他自然享有全国最优秀的教师资源。

And because Edward is going to become a king, inevitably, he has the best teachers in the country at his service.

于是凯瑟琳说服亨利，让伊丽莎白也能享用这些教师。

And so Catherine convinces Henry that Elizabeth should have use of these teachers as well.

嗯。

Mhmm.

爱德华很聪明。

Edward is smart.

他有个家庭教师，但伊丽莎白要聪慧得多。

He's a tutor, but Elizabeth is much smarter.

这是公认的事实。

Everyone recognizes that.

因此到她十岁时，她已成为这个杰出圈子的核心人物。

And so by the time she's 10, she's the focus of this kind of really brilliant circle.

这个圈子的特点是人文主义学术和福音派宗教。

It's characterized by by humanist scholarship and by evangelical religion.

某种程度上可以说是新教主义的雏形。

So kind of what we might start to call Protestantism.

关键人物是一个名叫威廉·格林德尔的年轻人，他来自剑桥圣约翰学院，同时教授拉丁语和希腊语。

And the key figure is a guy called William Grindle, who is a young scholar from Saint John's Cambridge, and he teaches both Latin and Greek.

而当时对希腊语的重视程度非常高，非常符合时代潮流。

And the emphasis on Greek is very, very of the moment.

所以亨利的希腊语水平仅限于最基础的程度。

So Henry only had the most rudimentary Greek.

玛丽则完全不懂希腊语。

Mary had no Greek.

伊丽莎白正在接受最新式的教育。

Elizabeth is getting the kind of the latest in educational fashion.

是的。

Yep.

伊丽莎白与格林德尔建立了深厚的情感纽带和学术联系。

And Elizabeth develops a profound emotional as well as intellectual bond with Grindle.

我认为这反而加深了她对凯瑟琳的忠诚感，因为正是凯瑟琳为她找到了这位老师格林德尔。

And I think it intensifies her sense of of loyalty to Catherine as well because it's Catherine who seems to have found her, Grindle, to be her teacher.

情感纠葛还在继续——我们上期节目的听众可能记得，安妮·博林曾有一位名叫马修·帕克的私人牧师。

There's further kind of emotional churn because listeners to our previous episode may remember that Anne Boleyn had as her private chaplain a man called Matthew Parker.

在她被押往伦敦塔前的最后一次会面中，她曾请求马修·帕克照看伊丽莎白。

And in her her last interview with him before she got taken to the tower, she had asked Matthew Parker to look out for Elizabeth.

这正是马修·帕克现在在做的事。

And this is what Matthew Parker is now doing.

他经常来为伊丽莎白布道，指导她处理各种事务。

He's coming and giving sermons to Elizabeth and instructing her and all kinds of things.

因此我认为，这加剧了伊丽莎白在情感与理智上对忠诚的强烈感受，这种忠诚与她母亲紧密相连。

So that is, I think, intensifying what must for Elizabeth be a very emotional as well as intellectual sense of loyalties, that it is tied up with her mother.

这种忠诚也与她的继母凯瑟琳·帕尔息息相关。

It's tied up with Catherine Parr, her stepmother.

在这种复杂情感中，既有爱意，也交织着宗教信仰与教育的影响。

There's kind of love as well as religion and education as part of the swirl.

那么您是否认为，伊丽莎白成长过程中毫无疑问地成为了新兴潮流——我们姑且称之为新教的坚定信徒？

So you don't think there's any doubt whatsoever that Elizabeth grows up a strong believer in the newly fashionable, let's just call it Protestantism.

我认为确实如此。

I think so.

而且我认为对她影响最深的是凯瑟琳·帕尔。

And I think the big influence on her is Katherine Parr.

好的。

Okay.

有意思。

Interesting.

凯瑟琳·帕尔所属的那一代人，尚未形成严格的新教身份认同，但明显正朝着这个方向发展。

And Katherine Parr, she's from a generation where a kind of hard Protestant identity hasn't yet evolved, but that's clearly the direction of travel.

我认为通过她制作的两件新年礼物，可以看出这对伊丽莎白的情感影响。

And I think you can see how this is affecting Elizabeth emotionally, from two New Year gifts that she makes.

第一件是1545年她为凯瑟琳·帕尔制作并赠送的，次年第二件则是送给亨利本人的礼物。

First, she makes and gives to Catherine Parr in 1545, and then the second the following year is to Henry himself.

她献给王后的第一件礼物，是翻译自纳瓦拉的玛格丽特所作的一首法语诗。

So the first, the one that she gives to the queen, this is a translation from French of a poem by Marguerite of Navarre.

人们可能还记得，纳瓦拉的玛格丽特曾是伊丽莎白母亲安妮·博林的庇护人。

And people may remember that Marguerite of Navarre had been the patron of Anne Boleyn, Elizabeth's mother.

而且它的基调非常具有福音派色彩。

And it's very evangelical in tone.

所以，再次强调，那种将情感忠诚与早期新教思想交织在一起的特色，在这里体现得淋漓尽致。

So, again, that mingling of emotional loyalty with kind of proto Protestantism, it's all there.

然后是第二件礼物——伊丽莎白献给亨利的那件，这是她对凯瑟琳用英文撰写的祈祷文和冥想录的翻译。

And then the second gift, the one that that Elizabeth presents to Henry, this is a translation of Catherine's own prayers and meditations, which she'd written in English.

伊丽莎白将其翻译成了法语、意大利语和拉丁语。

And Elizabeth has translated into French, into Italian, and into Latin.

而她完成这项壮举时，年仅12岁。

And at the point where she does this, she is 12 years old.

要知道，那相当于她刚上中学的第一年。

So, you know, it's her first year of secondary school.

这简直令人难以置信地出色。

I mean, it's unbelievably impressive.

汤姆，如今的标准可真是大不如前了啊。

How standards have fallen, Tom.

是啊。

Yeah.

标准确实大不如前了。

How standards have fallen.

更厉害的是，她还亲手刺绣了书的封面。

And what's more, she's embroidered the cover.

所以她不仅制作了书封，还用都铎玫瑰进行了刺绣装饰。

So she's kind of she's she's made the binding as well and embroidered it with with Tudor roses.

她将此书献给最尊贵强大的亨利八世国王，陛下最谦卑的女儿伊丽莎白祝愿您幸福安康，并祈求您的祝福。

And she dedicates it to the most illustrious and most mighty king Henry the eighth, Elizabeth, his majesty's most humbled daughter, wishes all happiness and begs his blessing.

哇。

Wow.

这不仅是献给她父亲的礼物，也是献给她继母的。

And this is tribute not just to her father, but to her stepmother as well.

亨利于1547年1月28日去世，那时距离伊丽莎白制作这份礼物刚过去一年。

And so when Henry dies, which he does on the 01/28/1547, so that's a year after Elizabeth had made that gift.

他由爱德华六世继位，当时年仅九岁，还是个孩子。

And he's succeeded by Edward the sixth, who by this point is nine years old, so still just a boy.

平心而论，爱德华本人非常聪明。

To be fair, to him, he's very bright in his own right.

是啊。

Yeah.

他确实也很聪明。

He's very bright as well.

但我觉得他不如伊丽莎白那样出色。

But I think he's not as brilliant as Elizabeth is.

好的。

Okay.

于是伊丽莎白转而向凯瑟琳·帕尔寻求庇护，基本上就是请她提供住所。

And so Elizabeth, she now turns to Catherine Parr to basically provide her with a home.

亨利去世几周后，伊丽莎白搬到了切尔西，守寡的王后已迁入其中一座王室庄园。

And so a few weeks after Henry's died, Elizabeth moves to Chelsea where the widowed queen has moved into one of the queen's manor houses.

那是个非常宜人的地方。

It's a very lovely spot.

那里有管道供水。

It's got pipe water.

种着樱桃树和桃树，还有药草园，许多干草堆之类的设施。

It's got cherry and peach trees, herb gardens, lots of, you know, hay notny knowing, all that kind of stuff.

随伊丽莎白同行的还有她心爱的女管家凯特——她刚结婚，现在被称为凯特·阿什利或阿斯特利。

And with Elizabeth goes her beloved lady mistress Kate, who is now she's just got married, so she's now known as Kate Ashley or Astley.

伊丽莎白的随行人员中还有新任财务官，嗯。

Elizabeth also has in her train her new cofferer Mhmm.

就是她的业务经理，负责打理账目的人。

Her kind of business manager, the guy who looks after her accounts.

这位名叫托马斯·帕里。

And this is a man called Thomas Parry.

我们有很多威尔士听众抱怨播客里威尔士人物太少了。

And we have lots of Welsh listeners who complain that we don't have enough Welsh figures, Welsh characters in our podcast.

所以我给大家念一段斯塔基对托马斯·帕里的描述：他是个肥胖自满的威尔士人。

So I will read you the description that Starkey gives of Thomas Parry, that he was a fat, self satisfied Welshman.

哦，不。

Oh, no.

太棒了。

That's great.

从这句话可以非常清楚地看出大卫·斯塔基对威尔士人的看法。

So it's very clear what David Starkey thinks of Welshman from that quote.

而且，他的数学也不太好，所以这让他算不上一个称职的财政大臣。

And, also, he's not very good at maths, so that doesn't make him a very competent coffer.

所以他毫无用处。

So he's useless.

他还很胖。

He's fat.

他一无是处。

He's useless.

虽然胖，但他是个威尔士人。

Fat, but he is Welsh.

所以这算是一个优点。

So that there's one positive.

哦，从伊丽莎白的角度来看还有个优点，你知道，他是个新教徒

Oh, and also another positive from Elizabeth's point of view, you know, he's a Protestant

是啊。

Yeah.

而且他对她异常忠诚。

And he's exceptionally loyal to her.

你知道，我们时不时就喜欢讲讲威尔士历史，对吧？

You know, we like to do Welsh history every now and again, don't we?

现在我们讲完了，真是太棒了。

And we've done it now, so that's brilliant.

我们今年已经完成了。

We've done it for the year.

哦，这就是今年的全部了。

Oh, that's it for the year.

是啊。

Yeah.

所以伊丽莎白、凯特，还有那个自鸣得意的威尔士胖子，他们都在切尔西这栋华丽的宅邸里和凯瑟琳·帕尔厮混。

So Elizabeth, Kate, the fat self satisfied Welshman, they're all hanging out with Catherine Parr in this gorgeous house in Chelsea.

氛围非常学术。

The vibe is very scholarly.

非常庄重。

It's very sober.

非常具有福音派色彩，而且比亨利八世时期公开得多。

It's very evangelical, and it's much more openly evangelical than it had been under Henry the eighth.

亨利八世其实算不上激进的福音派。

Henry the eighth hadn't really proved of kind of radical evangelical.

是啊。

Yeah.

是啊。

Yeah.

但在爱德华六世统治下，宗教改革简直像装了涡轮增压器一样迅猛推进。

But under Edward the sixth, the reformation is being absolutely turbocharged, you know.

是啊。

Yeah.

从粉饰中抽身吧。

Get out of the whitewash.

没错。

Yeah.

摆脱那些圣人。

Get rid of the saints.

来吧。

Come on.

我们开始吧。

Let's do this.

那些粗鲁的屏风。

The rude screens.

我们放手一搏。

Let's go for it.

是啊。

Yeah.

但必须承认，凯瑟琳·帕尔的宅邸并非全然神圣。

But it has to be said that Catherine Parr's house isn't all god.

也不全是古希腊风格，因为在1547年，也就是亨利八世去世仅数月后，发生了一件彻底引爆舆论的事件。

It's not all ancient Greek because in the 1547, so this is only a few months after the death of of Henry the eighth, there is a completely bombshell development.

亨利遗孀、已故王后凯瑟琳·帕尔，秘密嫁给了她的旧情人——那位长须美髯的浪子托马斯·西摩。

Catherine Parr, Henry's widow, the late queen, clandestinely marries her old flame, the long bearded uber lad, Thomas Seymour.

都铎政坛的挠痒痒先生。

The mister Tickle of Tudor politics.

挠痒痒先生。

The mister Tickle.

如今，他已成为了举足轻重的大人物，因为他的兄弟爱德华不仅当上了萨默塞特公爵，还成为了护国公。

And he, by now, has become a very, very big cheese because his brother, Edward, has become both the duke of Somerset and the lord protector.

而托马斯本人则晋升为海军大臣，毕竟两人都是幼王爱德华六世的舅舅。

And Thomas himself has become the lord high admiral because, of course, both of them are the uncles of the young king, Edward the sixth.

所以托马斯·西摩迎娶先王遗孀的举动可谓胆大包天，这完全是在高攀王室。

So for Thomas Seymour to marry a late queen, it's a punchy thing to do because, you know, he's massively punching above his weight there.

消息传出后，宫廷上下哗然。

And so when the news breaks, there is outrage at court.

伊丽莎白的姐姐玛丽怒不可遏，与继母彻底断绝关系，并要求伊丽莎白效仿——但后者并未照做。

Mary, Elizabeth's elder sister, is outraged, breaks off relations with her stepmother completely, demands that Elizabeth do the same, but Elizabeth doesn't.

正如你所说，这一切的后果就是托马斯·西摩获得了'挠痒痒先生'的称号。

And the consequences of this, you called, Thomas Seymour, mister tickle.

这么说吧，后果就是那双挠痒的手可以开始不安分了。

Well, let's say that the consequence of this is that the tickle hands can start tickling.

是啊。

Yeah.

广告回来后，我们将揭晓托马斯·西摩那双忙碌的手究竟做了什么。

Well, come back after the break to find out what happens with Thomas Seymour's busy hands.

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欢迎回到《历史的余韵》。

Welcome back to the rest is history.

我们现在身处1548年的英格兰。

So we are in England in 1548.

我们正处在极端新教徒、早慧的爱德华六世统治的第一年。

We are a year in to the reign of the ultra Protestant, very precocious, Edward the sixth.

具体来说，我们此刻在塞穆尔庄园，这是爱德华的叔叔托马斯·塞穆尔的宅邸——你可能记得，他已娶了爱德华的继母凯瑟琳·帕尔，即亨利八世的遗孀。

And specifically, we are in Seymour Place, which is the home of Edward's uncle, Thomas Seymour, who you may remember, has married Edward's stepmother, Catherine Parr, the widow of Henry the eighth.

此时凯瑟琳·帕尔正身怀六甲，宅邸里洋溢着温馨欢乐的气氛，因为她14岁的继女伊丽莎白小姐刚结束节日季的离家生活回到这里。

And Catherine Parr is pregnant, and here we are, all sweetness and light, because her stepdaughter, the teenage lady Elizabeth, 14 years old, has just arrived at the house having been away for the festive season.

其实现场还有另一位我们曾在《历史的余韵》中介绍过的聪慧少女，同样出身贵族世家，同样痴迷拉丁文、希腊语和新教思想。

So there's another girl there actually who we've had on The Rest is History before, who's another very clever girl, another girl with aristocratic lineage, another girl who loves a bit of Latin and a bit of Greek and loves Protestantism.

这位就是年仅11岁的简·格雷小姐。

And this is somebody called Lady Jane Grey, who's only 11 years old.

她11岁，是托马斯·塞穆尔的被监护人，也是伊丽莎白的表妹。

She's 11 years old, and she's Thomas Seymour's ward, and she's Elizabeth's cousin.

正如你所说多米尼克，我们做过两期关于简·格雷小姐的节目。

And as you said, Dominic, we did a couple of episodes on Lady Jane Grey.

想收听这两期节目的听众可以查找第293和294期。

And people who want to listen to those episodes, they are two nine three and two nine four.

多米尼克，你刚才说伦敦塞穆尔庄园里一片祥和。

Now, Dominic, you said that all is sweetness and light at Seymour Place in London.

我其实不太确定事实是否如此。

I'm not actually sure that's quite true.

这只是

It's just

一种修辞说法罢了，汤姆。

a figure of speech, Tom.

我只是在铺垫场景。

I'm just setting the scene.

有时笑容背后藏着泪水。

Sometimes there's tears behind the smiles.

嗯，我是说，你知道的，圣诞节总是带着一丝阴暗的暗流。

Well, I mean, you know, at Christmas, there are always a dark undertow.

是啊。

Yeah.

首先，伊丽莎白再次陷入丧亲之痛，因为她敬爱的老师威廉·格林德尔几周前去世了。

So for starters, Elizabeth is yet again in a state of bereavement because William Grindle, her beloved teacher, had died a few weeks before.

也不全是坏事，因为在抵达西摩庄园前几天，她收到了格林德尔的老师——著名教育家罗杰·阿舍姆的来信，主动提出接替格林德尔的位置。

It's not all bad because just a few days before arriving at Seymour Place, she'd received a letter from Grindle's own teacher, the great education list, Roger Asham, offering to take Grindle's place.

伊丽莎白立刻抓住了这个机会。

Elizabeth completely leaps at the chance.

我是说，这对她来说是绝佳的机会，因为阿舍姆是英格兰最负盛名、最才华横溢的学者。

I mean, it's an it's an amazing opportunity for her because Asham is the most famous, the most brilliant scholar in England.

阿舍姆承诺不仅会完善伊丽莎白的教育，还会关照她。

And Asham promises that he will finesse Elizabeth's education, but also that he will look out for her.

他写道：'若有朝一日我的服务能对您有所助益，那将是我最大的幸福。'

So he writes, I shall think it my greatest happiness if the time ever comes when my services can be of use to you.

我觉得这些话对伊丽莎白会产生强烈共鸣，因为实际上她在西摩庄园的处境——无论她与继母凯瑟琳·帕尔多么亲密——都相当艰难。

And I think these words would have had great resonance for Elizabeth because, actually, her circumstances in Seymour Place, no matter how devoted she is to Catherine Parr, her stepmother, are actually not easy at all.

首先，你提到凯瑟琳怀孕了。

So firstly, you mentioned Catherine's pregnant.

这是她第一次怀孕。

It's the first time she's been pregnant.

我觉得这对一个孤儿女孩来说可能有点不稳定，要知道，在此之前她一直是继母关注的唯一焦点。

I think this is probably a bit destabilising for an orphan girl who, you know, up to this point had been the sole focus of her her stepmother's attentions.

或许还担心再次被取代。

And perhaps worries about being supplanted yet again.

是啊。

Yeah.

我也这么认为。

I think so.

但是，多米尼克，这并不是西摩居气氛紧张的主要原因。

But that, Dominic, is not the main reason why there is an atmosphere in Seymour Place.

主要原因是那个蓄着长胡子、野心大得离谱的头号人物——托马斯·西摩。

The main reason is because of the long bearded, ludicrously ambitious top lad, Thomas Seymour.

托马斯·西摩是护国公萨默塞特公爵的弟弟，他对此心怀怨恨。

So Thomas Seymour is the younger brother of the duke of Somerset, who's the lord protector, and he's he's resentful of this.

这有点像经典的哈里王子式动态。

You know, it's kind of classic, kind of prince Harry dynamic.

没错。

Right.

你知道的，怨恨兄长，想把他挤下去。

You know, resentful of the elder brother wants him out the way.

他正在暗中策划，试图取代他的兄长。

He's kind of on manoeuvres plotting to try and supplant his elder brother.

因此，西摩的戏剧中或许带着一丝焦虑的情绪，正是出于这个原因。

So maybe there's a kind of slight degree of mood of anxiety in Seymour plays for that reason.

但伊丽莎白在托马斯·西摩面前感到不适，还有一个更为直接的个人原因。

But there's a much more immediate personal reason for Elizabeth to be uncomfortable in Thomas Seymour's presence.

基本上是因为过去几个月里，托马斯·西摩一直持有伊丽莎白卧室的钥匙。

And that is basically that for the past few months, Thomas Seymour has had the key to Elizabeth's bedroom.

而且，基本上每天早晨，他都养成了走进她卧室的习惯。

And, basically, every morning, he's got into the habit of walking into her bedroom.

后来有报道称，如果伊丽莎白已经起床正在穿衣，他会走过来拍打她的后背或臀部。

And it's reported later that if Elizabeth was up and in the process of getting dressed, he would come up and strike her upon the back or on the buttocks.

是的。

Yeah.

如果她还在床上，他会拉开帷帐，你知道，就是那种四柱床的帷幔，仿佛要扑向她，而伊丽莎白会退缩，蜷缩在被单下。

If she was still in bed, he'd pull back the curtains, you know, that veil her, the four poster beds, as though he would come at her, and Elizabeth would shrink back, cower beneath the sheets.

有一次，据称他试图强行亲吻。

On one occasion, it's reported he tries to force a kiss.

凯特为此去质问他，而他对此毫无愧色，反而勃然大怒。

Kate goes and confronts him about this, and he shows no kind of embarrassment about this, but instead explodes in rage.

我要向护国公大人告发我是如何被诽谤的，我不会罢休，因为我并无恶意。

I will tell my lord protector how I am slandered, and I will not leave off for I mean no evil.

我想做什么就做什么。

I can do what I like.

是的。

Yeah.

只是一个友好的吻。

Just a friendly kiss.

只是开个玩笑。

Just a bit of fun.

是啊。

Yeah.

人们可能会好奇凯瑟琳会怎么想。

People may wonder what about Catherine.

你知道，她是不是开始起疑了？

You know, is she becoming suspicious?

我认为她确实有些怀疑，但他完全没有收敛自己的行为。

I think she is to a degree, but he he does not rein in his behavior at all.

实际上，托马斯·西摩、凯瑟琳和伊丽莎白之间的关系变得有点诡异。

And, actually, it all gets a bit weird with Thomas Seymour and Catherine and Elizabeth.

有一次特别怪异的场合，凯瑟琳和伊丽莎白在花园散步时，托马斯突然出现。

So there's one very bizarre occasion when Catherine and Elizabeth are out walking in the garden, and Thomas surprises them.

他剪碎了伊丽莎白的礼服，据记载是剪成了上百块碎片。

And he cuts Elizabeth's gown, and I quote, in an 100 pieces.

更奇怪的是，根据伊丽莎白的说法，当时王后按着她让海军上将剪的。

What's kind of more bizarre still is that according to Elizabeth, the queen held her while the lord admiral cut it.

这相当古怪，不是吗？

So it's quite odd, isn't it?

确实挺诡异的。

That is pretty weird.

凯瑟琳·帕尔在整个过程中在想什么？

What's Catherine Parr thinking during all this?

有一种理论认为这可能是个赌注，开个玩笑罢了。

One theory is that maybe it was a bet, bit of fun.

我认为凯瑟琳愿意相信这只是无伤大雅的玩笑。

I think Catherine wants to believe that, that it's just innocent fun.

但我觉得在圣诞假期临近时，她显然希望如果伊丽莎白离开，等她回来时一切都会解决，托马斯·西摩会管好自己的手脚。

But I think that in the buildup to, you know, the Christmas break, I think she's clearly hoping that if Elizabeth goes away, maybe when she comes back, everything will be sorted out and Thomas Seymour will be keeping his hands in his pocket.

问题是事与愿违。

The problem is that's not what happens.

所以伊丽莎白一回来，西摩就故态复萌，每天早晨穿着睡袍拖鞋，光着腿闯进她的卧室。

So the moment Elizabeth is back, Seymour is up to his old tricks coming to her bedroom each morning in his nightgown, bare legged in his slippers.

而此时的伊丽莎白已经想出了对策——如果他突然闯入，她就抓起一本书埋头阅读。

And Elizabeth by now has developed a strategy, which is that if he bursts in on her, she reaches for a book and puts her nose in the book.

是啊。

Yeah.

希望那些希腊诗句之类的能

Hoping that the sight of some Greek verses or something Will

让他知难而退。

keep him at bay.

没错。

Yeah.

正是这样。

Exactly.

凯特，她又责备了西摩。

Cat, she upbraid Seymour again.

再次，这毫无效果。

Again, it has no effect.

然后那个春天，危机时刻终于到来——这本来就是迟早的事，因为凯瑟琳，再次引用原话，'突然撞见他们独处一室，他正将她搂在怀中'。

And then that spring, the crisis point, which was kind of always going to arrive, does finally arrive because Catherine, and again to quote, came suddenly upon them where they were all alone, he having her in his arms.

‘他正将她搂在怀中’这句话其实很模棱两可，不是吗？

He having her in his arms is is ambiguous though, isn't it?

因为他们单独相处，你知道，处于拥抱状态。

Because they're alone together, you know, in an embrace.

这是自愿的还是被迫的？

Is that voluntary or is that involuntary?

并不明确。

It's not clear.

这不清楚。

It's unclear.

我认为凯瑟琳也不清楚。

And I think it's unclear to Catherine.

对。

Right.

此时她已身怀六甲，显然极度不安。

And she is very heavily pregnant by this point and obviously incredibly upset.

我想她可能最担心伊丽莎白也参与了这件事。

And I think that perhaps she fears the worst that Elizabeth has been complicit in this.

于是她将伊丽莎白送走了。

And so she sends Elizabeth away.

伊丽莎白去了赫特福德郡一个叫切森特的地方。

Elizabeth goes to a place called Cheshunt in Hertfordshire.

她在那里与凯特·阿斯特利的姐姐及姐夫同住，那位姐夫是位名叫安东尼·丹尼爵士的人。

And there she stays with Kate Astley's sister and her husband, who's a guy called sir Anthony Denny.

关于安东尼·丹尼爵士最显著的特点——也是众人皆知他深受亨利八世器重的原因——就是他作为朝臣最出名的是守口如瓶的本事。

And the salient thing about sir Anthony Denny, the one thing that everybody knows about him and why his service has been so valued by Henry the eighth, is that he's a courtier chiefly celebrated for his ability to keep a secret.

显然，伊丽莎白和凯瑟琳都担心流言外泄，丑闻曝光。

And, obviously, both Elizabeth and Catherine are paranoid that gossip may leak, that the story may break.

整个夏天，她们都在忐忑等待流言的蔓延。

All that summer, they're kind of waiting really for the, you know, the rumors to spread.

而事实上，流言似乎并未扩散。

And and actually, they they seem not to.

这让两人都如释重负。

And that's a source of of great relief to both of them.

伊丽莎白和凯瑟琳保持着定期书信往来。

And Elizabeth and Catherine are writing regularly to each other.

她们显然想修复彼此的关系。

They obviously want to repair their relationship.

凯瑟琳在信中向伊丽莎白承诺：若听闻任何不利消息或流言走漏，会立即写信告知。

And Catherine writes to Elizabeth and says, you know, if I hear anything bad, any story slipping out, I will write immediately and let you know.

好的。

Right.

很明显，到这个时候他们已经重归于好了。

So clearly by this point, they are back on side.

他们的关系已经修复如初。

Their their relationship has been patched up.

但后来出现了转折，不是吗？

But then there's a twist, isn't there?

确实有个转折。

There is a twist.

是的。

Yeah.

我是说，你提到凯瑟琳怀孕了。

I mean, you described Catherine of being pregnant.

那年夏天她去了西摩家族的一处庄园——苏德利城堡，不得不说那是个非常漂亮的城堡。

She goes off to one of the Seymour Estates that summer, Seudley Castle, very nice castle, have to say.

不得不说我很推崇那里，因为我小时候印象中，那里有着世界顶级的冒险游乐场。

And I have to say, I commend it because when I was a boy, they had to my mind, a world leading adventure playground.

所以这很不错。

So that's nice.

哦。

Oh.

总之，她去了苏德利城堡。

Anyway, she goes to Sudley Castle.

她在8月30日生下了一个叫玛丽的女孩，对吧？

She gives birth to a girl called Mary, doesn't she, on the August 30?

是的。

Yeah.

有趣的是，他的名字来源于玛丽·都铎。

He's named after Mary Tudor, interestingly.

哦，那很好。

Oh, that's nice.

然后她就突然去世了。

And then she drops dead.

非常悲伤。

Very sad.

这就是凯瑟琳·帕尔的结局。

So that's the end of Katherine Parr.

是的。

Yeah.

这很像简·西摩的情况。

So it's very Jane Seymour.

她死于产褥热，两天后被安葬在索格利城堡的教堂里。

She dies of a postnatal fever, and she's buried two days later in the church at Sougli Castle.

值得注意的是，我了解到有两个'首次'。

And it's notable, I learnt, for for two firsts.

第一个是——这是我从尼古拉·塔利斯关于年轻伊丽莎白的书中学到的。

So the first of these is that, I learnt this from Nicola Talis' book on the young Elizabeth.

凯瑟琳·帕尔是唯一一位被安葬在私人庄园的英格兰王后。

Catherine Parr is the only English queen to be buried on a private estate.

好的。

Okay.

我从大卫·斯塔基那里了解到，她的葬礼是首个新教王室葬礼。

And I learnt from, David Starkey that her funeral was the first Protestant royal funeral.

而且，托马斯·西摩爵士那位非常虔诚的新教教徒夫人，简·格雷女士，担任了首席哀悼者的角色。

And that very, very devoutly Protestant ward of sir Thomas Seymour, lady Jane Grey, plays the role of chief mourner.

哦，这很有意思。

Oh, that's interesting.

但对伊丽莎白来说，这又是一次沉重打击。

But for Elizabeth, this is another crushing blow.

我是说，对于一个出生在，你知道，可以说是极度特权与财富中的人来说，她的遭遇真的很糟糕，不是吗？

I mean, for somebody born into, you know, what you might say immense privilege and wealth, she's had a really bad run, hasn't she?

基本上，她亲近的每个人都去世了。

Basically, everybody that she's got close to has died.

教育者、母亲、父亲。

Educationalists, mother, father.

还有两位继母因分娩去世。

And lost two stepmothers to childbirth.

是啊。

Yeah.

再次让人不禁思考，这对她长期对 motherhood 前景的态度会产生什么影响。

And again, you have to wonder what impact does this have on her long term attitude to the prospects of motherhood.

确实。

Yeah.

当然。

Of course.

不过度心理分析的话。

Not to over psychologize it again.

虽然有一件事

Although one thing that

我确实想到了，想想伊丽莎白的前景。

does occur to me, think about Elizabeth's prospects.

托马斯·西摩，他风度翩翩，不是吗？

So Thomas Seymour, he's very dashing, isn't he?

我是说，我知道他有点神秘色彩，但他确实很迷人。

I mean, I know he's something of a mystical, but he's very dashing.

他现在是个鳏夫，会是个不错的结婚对象，对吧？

He's now a widower, and he would be a bit of a catch, would he not?

而伊丽莎白15岁，本身条件也很优越。

And Elizabeth is 15 years old and would be a catch in her own right.

那么有没有可能他会...？

So is there some possibility that he might?

嗯，我认为托马斯·西摩似乎真的为失去妻子而难过。

Well, Thomas Seymour, I think, seems genuinely upset at the loss of his wife.

好吧。

Okay.

我想他是真心爱凯瑟琳的，她去世时他悲痛欲绝。

I think he genuinely loved Catherine and and was distraught when she died.

但你是对的。

But you are right.

她现在去世的事实确实意味着他又重回婚恋市场，而且他肯定把伊丽莎白视为一个非常适婚的候选人。

The fact that she is now dead does mean that he is back on the market, and he must be looking at Elizabeth as, you know, a very nubile candidate.

正因为如此，她在他心中愈发重要，因为此时他正全力策划推翻他的兄长——护国公。

She is all the more on his mind because by this point, he is massively on maneuvers looking to topple his brother, the protector.

他一直扮演着爱德华六世那位风趣叔叔的角色。

He has been very much playing the fun uncle with Edward the sixth.

所以他的兄长萨默塞特公爵总是带着苏格兰问题、税收问题之类的烦心事出现。

So his elder brother, the duke of Somerset, is always coming with, you know, issues about problems in Scotland or tax or whatever.

托马斯·西摩则会带着金钱礼物和加了有趣香料的蛋糕这类东西登场。

Thomas Seymour is turning up with, you know, gifts of money and amusingly spiced cakes, all that all that kind of thing.

就像

Like

那会是什么香料这么有趣呢？

What what spice would that be that would be so amusing?

那会很好玩。

It would be fun.

重点就在于此。

That's the point.

确实有趣。

It's fun.

比如有趣的肉桂。

Some fun cinnamon.

一些有趣的肉桂。

Some fun cinnamon.

正是如此。

Exactly.

而且，基本上，他的计划是直接控制国王的人身自由。是的。

And, basically, his plan is to seize control of the king physically Yeah.

通过这种方式，迫使政府更迭。

And by doing that, to force a change of government.

如果他还能娶到伊丽莎白，那显然将进一步巩固他的权力。

And if he can marry Elizabeth, then, obviously, that would then consolidate his power.

他将成为王座背后真正的掌权者。

He'd be absolutely the power behind the throne.

与此同时，伊丽莎白已经离开了她与凯特那位谨慎丈夫共处的切森特。

Elizabeth, meanwhile, has left Cheshunt where she was hanging out with the very discreet husband of of Kate.

安东尼·丹尼。

Anthony Denny.

她回到了童年居住的哈特菲尔德。

And she's gone back to Hatfield, her childhood home.

在这里，她首次以女主人的身份掌管住所。

And here for the first time, she presides over a residence as her own mistress.

你看，她现在完全独立自主了。

You know, she is now her own woman.

没错。

Yeah.

当她从柴郡前往哈特菲尔德时，有西摩家的随从陪同，你知道的，就是他的仆人们。

And when she's traveling from Cheshire to Hatfield, she's accompanied by members of Seymour's household, you know, servants of his.

其中一人与显然正和伊丽莎白同行的凯特·阿什利交谈，并转达了托马斯·西摩给伊丽莎白的口信。

And one of them speaks to Kate Ashley, who is obviously riding with Elizabeth, and passes on a message for Elizabeth from Thomas Seymour.

我认为这暗示他与伊丽莎白的谈话内容恐怕不止古希腊语这么简单。

I think it suggests that his his conversation with Elizabeth may not have been just about ancient Greek, I suspect.

我觉得这对托马斯·西摩的形象可不太有利。

Which doesn't reflect terribly well, I think, on Thomas Seymour.

而且，凯特传递这种消息的行为也很不得体。

And also, don't think it reflects very well on Kate that she's passed it on.

必须指出，此时她的举止已非常不妥——人们还记得她曾在托马斯·西摩与凯瑟琳婚姻存续期间当面质问过他。

And it has to be said that by this point, she's behaving very inappropriately because people remember that she's been confronting Thomas Seymour when he was married to Catherine.

但现在凯瑟琳已经去世了。

But now Catherine's dead.

凯特似乎完全被他迷住了。

Kate seems to have completely fallen for him.

她似乎对他怀有爱慕之情，甚至认定他会成为伊丽莎白的理想丈夫。

She seems to have had a bit of a crush on him and has decided that actually he'd be a great husband for Elizabeth.

所以她不断对伊丽莎白说：我真的认为你应该选择他。

And so she's kind of endlessly saying to Elizabeth, I really think you should go for him.

与此同时，西摩还向威尔士人托马斯·帕里打探过她的财务状况——威尔士听众们应该知道这事。

And meanwhile, Seymour has also been checking with Thomas Parry, the Welshman, well, Welsh listeners, about the state of her finances.

是啊。

Yeah.

所以他问，你知道，她养了多少人，有哪些房产和土地。

So he's asking, you know, how many persons she kept, what houses she had, what lands.

而托马斯·帕里，我不得不说，和凯特一样，完全被西摩的魅力所征服，基本上把一切都告诉了他。

And Thomas Parry, I'm afraid to say, like Kate, has been completely seduced by Seymour's charisma, basically tells him everything.

所以，本质上，伊丽莎白最信任的两个人，凯特和帕里，都在对她说，放手去做吧。

So, essentially, the two people who Elizabeth most trusts, Kate and Parry, are both saying to her, go for it.

是啊。

Yeah.

托马斯·西摩本人还在发关于她臀部的下流消息。

Thomas Seymour himself is sending lewd messages about her buttocks.

那么伊丽莎白本人对此有何看法？

And so what is Elizabeth herself making of this?

我认为从证据来看，确实有迹象表明她其实动心了。

And I think looking at the evidence, there is a sense that she is actually tempted.

因为我认为凯特支持西摩追求的原因之一，就是她看出伊丽莎白确实喜欢西摩。

Because one of the reasons why I think Kate does support Seymour's advances is that she has seen that Elizabeth does fancy Seymour.

没错。

Right.

因为你之前说过，这不仅仅是压力的问题。

Because you said I mean, it's more than stress.

他非常有魅力而且英俊。

He's very charismatic and good looking.

对吧？

Right?

是啊。

Yeah.

我是说，从各方面来看，他确实是个非常非常有魅力的男人。

I mean, he's, by all accounts, a very, very attractive man.

凯特还提到，有时人们谈起他时她会脸红。

And Kate notes how sometimes she would blush when he was spoken of.

你明白吗？

You know?

而且众所周知，性侵受害者有时会爱上施暴者。

And it's not unknown for victims of sexual abuse to kind of fall for the person who's abusing them.

嗯，或者少女迷恋上年纪大得多的男人也很常见。

Well, or for teenage girls to have a crush on an unarmatched older man.

对吧？

Right?

我是说，这并不罕见。

I mean, it's not unknown.

没错。

Yeah.

引用大卫·斯塔基的话说，这是场成人性世界的入门仪式，而且相当残酷。

So to quote David Starkey on this, it was an initiation and a brutal one into the world of adult sexuality.

她后来爱过或假装爱过的所有男人，几乎都像西摩。

Almost all the men that she subsequently loved or pretended to love resembled Seymour.

真有意思。

Interesting.

我的意思是，随着故事的展开，我们会发现这非常有趣。

I mean, it's very interesting as we will see as we carry this story on.

正因如此，由于伊丽莎白明显偏爱西摩，有传言说她接受了他的追求，所以当凯瑟琳·帕尔发现伊丽莎白在西摩怀里时，暗示着伊丽莎白是自愿的。

And because of this, because there was an evident partiality on Elizabeth's part towards Seymour, there was gossip that she had surrendered to his advances so that when Catherine Parr found Elizabeth in Seymour's arms, the implication was that, you know, Elizabeth had welcomed this.

有人认为她已对他失去好感。

And there are some who say that she'd lost her affinity to him.

甚至还有人声称她曾为他生过孩子。

And there are others who say even that she'd had his child.

这些说法都缺乏实质性证据。

There is no substantive evidence for any of this.

考虑到都铎王朝家庭几乎毫无隐私可言，我认为这些传闻极不可能属实。

And I think that the lack of privacy in Tudor households being what it was, I think it's most improbable.

但我觉得还有更重要的理由可以驳斥这些传言，那就是伊丽莎白在整个事件中表现出的惊人钢铁意志与自律。

But there's also another, I think, even more salient reason for rejecting these stories, and that is the evident steeliness, the self discipline, which Elizabeth displays throughout the affair.

这种成熟度出现在如此年轻的人身上，实在令人惊叹。

It is a maturity that is astonishing, I think, in one so young.

因为她与凯特、帕里不同，甚至与托马斯·西摩本人也不同，她完全清楚自己绝无可能嫁给他。

Because she, unlike Kate, unlike Parry, actually unlike Thomas Seymour himself, completely understands the impossibility of her marrying him.

她对此直言不讳地总结道。

And she sums it up completely bluntly.

枢密院绝不会同意此事。

The council will not consent to it.

西摩想娶她的计划，根本不是什么私人关系那么简单。

Seymour's plan to marry her, it's not like a kind of private relationship.

这直接关系到国家事务，无论如何，既得利益集团都不会允许这桩婚事顺利进行。

It touches directly on the affairs of state, and there is no way that any number of vested interests will allow this marriage to go ahead.

因此，伊丽莎白深知这一点，也明白西摩本质上是在推动此事，她显然已经意识到他是个极其放纵的人。

And so Elizabeth, knowing this and knowing that Seymour is essentially pushing it, has clearly come to an understanding that he's a very intemperate man.

这不仅对他自身构成威胁，如果她被卷入他的阴谋网中，对她同样危险。

And this represents a threat not just to himself, but if she is caught up in his kind of web, to her as well.

只是简单说一句。

Just a very quick observation.

我们在上一集提到过，今年七月（应该是夏天）我们做过一个关于苏格兰玛丽女王的系列节目。

We've mentioned in the last episode that we did a series about Mary Queen of Scots in July, I think it was, this summer.

这两个经常对立的人物之间不是形成了鲜明对比吗？

Isn't this the massive contrast between these two characters who are so often opposed to each other?

苏格兰玛丽女王在这种处境中，总是一次又一次地感情用事。

The Mary Queen of Scots, again and again, in this situation, always goes with her heart.

她做出了糟糕的政治选择，因为她永远无法从个人欲望中抽身。

She makes poor political choices because she can never step back from her own desires, as it were.

而伊丽莎白的标志性特质就是她始终保持着那种冷静理智和政治头脑，即使在她才15岁左右时，她就已经在战略思考，保持理智，权衡利弊，这让她从不犯错。

And Elizabeth, the thing that marks her out is that she always has that kind of sliver of ice and that very political brain, even when she's what, 15 years old or whatever she is, she's thinking strategically and she's sensible and she's weighing up the odds and all of this kind of thing, which means she doesn't make mistakes.

你或许首次在这件事上看到了她性格中一个贯穿始终的特点：她从不明确表态。

And also what you see in this business, perhaps for the first time is a feature of her character that will run and run and run, which is that she never commits herself to anything.

所以当凯特为西摩说媒时，根据一个版本的说法，她的态度模棱两可。

So when Kate presses Seymour's suit, she is noncommittal according to one version.

而另一个版本则称她的拒绝是斩钉截铁的。

According to another, her refusal is absolute.

但她非常非常擅长装死，拒绝时毫不戏剧化，表现得极其模棱两可。

But she is very, very good at playing a dead bat, at not being histrionic in her refusals, at being studdedly ambiguous.

这也算幸运，因为在1549年初，托马斯·西摩的处境急转直下——1月16日那天，他闯入了国王在怀特霍尔宫的私人寝宫。

And it's just as well because early in 1549, it all goes tits up for Thomas So on the January 16, he breaks into the king's private apartments at Whitehall.

不幸的是，爱德华门外正睡着一条狗，那狗开始朝他狂吠。

And unfortunately for him, there's a dog sleeping outside Edward's door, the dog starts barking at him.

于是托马斯·西摩拔出剑，把狗捅了个对穿。

So Thomas Seymour draws his sword and runs the dog through.

天啊。

God.

他简直就是都铎政坛的杰里米·索普。

He's he's the Jeremy Thorpe of Tudor politics.

是啊。

Yeah.

或者像丹麦的安妮——詹姆斯一世的王后——射杀了他最爱的猎犬那样。

Or like Anne of Denmark, James the first's wife who shot his favorite hunting dog.

没错。

That's right.

是啊。

Yeah.

当时谋杀狗的事件还真不少。

There's quite a lot of dog murder going on.

确实。

Yeah.

但我想，这是第一个重大案例。

But this is, I think, is the first major example of it.

然后托马斯·西摩就...天啊。

And so Thomas Seymour then, oh god.

我杀了国王的狗。

I've killed the king's dog.

情况不太妙。

This isn't going well.

所以他直接逃跑了。

And so he he just runs.

第二天他假装无事发生，大摇大摆地去议会之类的地方。

And then the next day, he pretends that nothing's happened, and he kind of saunters around and goes to parliament and all this stuff.

但他已经被目击到了。

But he's been seen.

于是到了晚上，他就被关进了伦敦塔。

And so by the evening, he is in the Tower Of London.

是因为杀了国王的狗，还是人们认为这背后有更险恶的图谋？

For killing the king's dog or because people think there's some more sinister design behind this?

是啊。

Yeah.

当然，他们认为有更险恶的图谋。

Of course, they think it's a more sinister design.

他一直试图闯入国王的私人寝宫。

He's been trying to break into the king's private apartments.

但目的是什么？

But for what purpose?

这不重要。

It doesn't matter.

他并不想打他的屁股之类的。

He didn't wanna beat him on the buttocks and stuff.

这不重要。

It doesn't matter.

你们不得擅闯国王的私人寝宫。

You are not allowed to break into the king's private apartments.

我是说，很明显他试图绑架国王。

I mean, obviously, he's trying to abduct him.

我认为这是不言而喻的。

I think that's the assumption.

而这属于叛国罪。

And that is treason.

正因如此他才被关进伦敦塔。

And that's why he gets sent to the tower.

没错。

Right.

好的。

Okay.

三天后，凯特·阿什利和托马斯·帕里也被关进了伦敦塔。

And then three days later, Kate Ashley and Thomas Parry are also taken to the tower.

现在伊丽莎白也被卷入了这场丑闻的漩涡中。

So now Elizabeth is being drawn into the the kind of the vortex of the scandal.

是啊。

Yeah.

整个团伙。

The whole gang.

没错。

Yeah.

不出所料，当伊丽莎白得知她最亲近的两名仆人被监禁时，她表现得极为窘迫，并长时间哀伤地哭泣。

And unsurprisingly, when Elizabeth is informed that her two closest servants have been incarcerated, she was marvelously abashed and did weep very tenderly a long time.

她既为那些在整个事件中始终忠诚的仆人们担忧，当然也为自己忧虑，因为她完全明白自己正面临的致命危险。

And her fears are for her servants to whom she remains utterly loyal throughout this whole business, but also, of course, for herself because she completely understands the mortal peril that she is now in.

更糟糕的是，凯特和托马斯·帕里最终向审讯者全盘供出了西摩对她不当行为的所有细节。

And what makes that peril even worse is that Kate and Thomas Parry both end up revealing to their interrogators the full details of Seymour's inappropriate behavior with her.

所以本集至今我引用的所有细节都来自他们的证词。

So all the details that I've been, you know, quoting so far in this episode come from their testimony.

这些证词足以让审讯者决定去审问伊丽莎白本人。

And it's enough to get the interrogators to go and interview Elizabeth.

需要再次强调的是，当时她还只是个少女，却让审讯者束手无策——因为她立即承认了凯特供述的全部事实。

And to repeat, she is just a teenage girl at this point, but she runs rings around her interrogators because she immediately acknowledges the truth of what Kate has revealed.

我的意思是，她根本没有试图否认。

I mean, she doesn't try to deny it.

那样做就太愚蠢了。

That would have been a very foolish move.

她甚至准备承认自己喜欢托马斯·西摩，并非完全厌恶他的追求，但前提是必须得到枢密院的事先批准。

She's even prepared to acknowledge that she liked Thomas Seymour, that she didn't absolutely detest his advances, but that she was only prepared to entertain them once the council had first granted its approval.

她所说的内容足以证明这一说法的可信度。

And she said enough that there is evidence that supports this claim.

因此可以明显看出，她从未参与过西摩的阴谋。

So as a result, it is apparent that she had never been complicit in Seymour's plot.

没错。

Right.

这对一个如此年轻的人来说是极其精明的表现。

And it's a brilliantly skillful performance from one so young.

审讯者无法将任何罪名强加于她。

Her interrogators cannot pin anything on her.

他们无法证明她曾背弃爱德华策划与这个男人结婚，她的行为始终在法律框架之内。

They can't show that she was plotting behind Edward's back to marry this man, that she was always operating within the set bounds of legality.

最终，凯特和托马斯·巴里都获释了。

And in due course, Kate and Thomas Barry are released.

虽然起初伊丽莎白不被允许让他们官复原职，但到1549年9月，他们已重新回到她的府邸任职。

And though to begin with, Elizabeth is not allowed to take them back into her service by September 1549, you know, they're back in her household.

我认为这段经历对她而言极具警示意义。

And I think the experience for her was a very salutary one.

这让她深刻认识到政治运作的本质、人性的欲望与野心，以及保持策略性模糊的好处——这些领悟将伴随她的一生，直至漫长生命的终结。

And it confirmed her in an understanding of how politics operates in the nature of men and their desires and their ambitions and the advantages of studied ambiguity that will never leave her, that will be features of her life, you know, her very long life right the way up to the end.

而托马斯·西摩最终难逃断头台命运，不是吗？

And Thomas Seymour, he ends up on the chopping block, doesn't he?

他于1549年在塔丘被处决。

He's executed on Tower Hill in the 1549.

确实如此。

He does.

但那种模棱两可，她不是写信给爱德华六世了吗？

But that ambiguity, doesn't she write to Edward the sixth?

她对他说：正如陛下并非不知，这更符合我的本性特点，言不尽意。

And she says to him, it is as your majesty is not unaware, rather characteristic of my nature, not to say in words as much as I think in my mind.

我认为这才是关键。

And that's the key, I think.

是啊。

Yeah.

但话说回来，苏格兰玛丽女王的例子，苏格兰玛丽女王不够谨慎，对吧？

But that again, I mean, the Mary Queen of Scots parallel, Mary Queen of Scots is unguarded, isn't she?

没错。

Yeah.

伊丽莎白则不然。

Elizabeth isn't.

是的。

Yeah.

伊丽莎白总是深不可测，她是位杰出的政治家。

They are always deep waters with Elizabeth and she's just a brilliant politician.

还是位卓越的战略家。

And a brilliant strategist.

在塞莫尔被处决后，她成功脱身，没有任何罪名落到她头上。

So in the wake of Seymour's execution, she's got off, nothing's been pinned on her.

但她意识到现在必须非常谨慎行事，而她确实这么做了。

But she's aware that she has to tread very carefully now, and so that's what she does.

她穿着非常朴素的黑白衣服。

She dresses very modestly in black and white.

要知道，她从安妮·博林那里继承了对华美服饰的喜爱。

You know, she's inherited from Anne Boleyn a love of beautiful clothes.

但目前，她扮演着严肃的新教徒侍女角色，这让爱德华印象深刻。

But for now, she plays the the sober Protestant maid, and Edward is very impressed.

此时的他已经是个古板的新教徒，因此称她为'甜美的节制姐姐'。

You know, he's a he's a very Priggish Protestant by this point, and so he calls her sweet sister temperance.

他认为她非常出色。

He thinks she's great.

她继续跟随罗杰·阿沙姆学习，并在1550年完成了学业。

She continues her studies under Roger Asham, which she completes in 1550.

可以说，她接受了当时欧洲最好的教育。

So she's had, you know, the best education that, you know, anyone in Europe could have, basically.

她的崇拜者越来越将她塑造成一位学识渊博的女性，新教徒则视她为虔诚美德的典范。

And she is increasingly cast by her admirers as a brilliantly educated woman and by Protestants as a paragon of godly virtue.

那么她是个完美的典范吗？

So is she a complete paragon?

必须指出，我们尚未提及她性格中的一个特点——她有着极强的占有欲。

I mean, it has to be said that one feature of her character we haven't yet brought out, and that is that she is monumentally acquisitive.

从心理学的角度，你或许能理解这一点。

And, again, you can understand that perhaps psychologically.

一个生活如此动荡的人，是啊。

Someone who's led such an unstable life Yeah.

她会想要完全属于自己的资源，不必依赖他人就能获取。

She'd want resources that are her own and that she's not dependent upon anyone else to kind of access it.

但说真的，她做得非常出色。

But, I mean, she does amazingly well.

到了1550年9月，当她合法拥有哈特菲尔德庄园时——这栋她从小长大的房子正式成为她的财产——她已成为全国第二大地主。

So by September 1550, which is when she takes legal possession of Hatfield, so this house that she's grown up in and, you know, it it legally becomes her property, she's become the second largest landowner in the country.

她曾一度宣称自己都记不清名下有多少房产了。

She declared at one stage that she couldn't even remember how many houses she had.

可以说她为自己建立了相当雄厚的权力基础。

So she's built up, I think, quite a power base for herself.

没错。

Yeah.

那些有损她声誉的污点已被洗清。

The kind of the blots on her reputation have been clean.

她受到与国王弟弟结盟的新教派系推崇，拥有雄厚财力——要知道在英格兰，土地永远意味着权力。

She's admired by the the Protestant wing of opinion that is identified with her brother, the king, and she's got financial wherewithal and, you know, land in England is always power.

这来得正是时候，因为此时公开的政治舞台上，权力的游戏仍在继续。

And this is just as well because meanwhile on the public stage, the great game of thrones is continuing.

1552年1月，护国公萨默塞特公爵倒台，随后步其兄弟后尘被送上断头台。

So in January 1552, the duke of Somerset, the Ursulaard law protector, he's been toppled, and then he follows his brother to the block.

一位新的强权人物出现了，此人名叫约翰·达德利，被册封为诺森伯兰伯爵。

And a new strong man emerges, and this is a guy called John Dudley, who is created the earl of Northumberland.

这对伊丽莎白来说似乎是好消息。

And this seems good news for Elizabeth.

她与达德利家族相处融洽。

She gets on well with the Dudley family.

诺森伯兰的儿子之一罗伯特·达德利是她的玩伴兼好友。

One of Northumberland's sons, Robert Dudley, is a particular playmate of hers, a friend of hers.

他是个非常英俊、风度翩翩且富有魅力的男人。

He's a very handsome, dashing, charismatic man.

当时的人们注意到他与托马斯·西摩有几分相似。

And it is noted by contemporaries that he has a bit of a resemblance to Thomas Seymour.

确实如此。

So Yeah.

这是听众需要留意的重点。

There's something for listeners just to bear in mind.

但在此期间，伊丽莎白实际上已将自己的命运与新教派系、她的弟弟、诺森伯兰、达德利等人绑定在一起。

But all the while so Elizabeth has has basically kind of tied her fortunes to the Protestant wing, to her brother, to Northumberland, to Dudley, to people like that.

但到了1553年，知情者逐渐意识到这可能是个错误选择，因为爱德华已病入膏肓。

But by the 1553, it's becoming clear to those in the know that this might not have been a good bet because Edward has fallen mortally ill.

我们之前说过，爱德华本人是个狂热的新教徒，他认为确保一位虔诚的继任者是其职责所在。

And Edward himself, we've been saying, you know, he's a very vehement Protestant, he sees it as his duty to ensure a godly successor.

即能继续推行宗教改革事业的继任者。

So a successor who will carry on his work of reformation.

对爱德华来说问题在于，听众们会记得，亨利八世1543年颁布的《继承法案》规定，若爱德华无嗣而终（此时爱德华年纪尚小确实不可能有子嗣），将由玛丽继位，若玛丽去世，则由伊丽莎白继位。

And the problem for Edward is that, listeners will remember, Henry's final act of succession, had been passed in 1543, had prescribed that were Edward to die without having had children, and Edward is still way too young to have had children at this point, then he will be succeeded by Mary, and then if Mary dies, by Elizabeth.

但爱德华不愿接受这个安排。

But Edward is unwilling to countenance this.

玛丽是天主教徒，而伊丽莎白——尽管她是新教淑女之类——但正如爱德华向顾问们强调的，她是个私生女，出身不合法。

Mary is a Catholic, and Elizabeth, even though she's, you know, Protestant maid and all that, she is, as Edward tells his counsellors, a bastard and sprang from an illegitimate bed.

于是在1553年6月，他提出了所谓的《继位方案》。

And so it is that in June 1553, he comes up with what he terms my device for the succession.

根据该方案，玛丽和伊丽莎白均被剥夺继承权，王位将传给他们的表亲简·格雷夫人——她既是新教徒，又拥有无可争议的合法身份。

And by its terms, both Mary and Elizabeth are disinherited, and the crown is settled instead on their cousin, Lady Jane Grey, who is, of course, both Protestant and impeccably legitimate.

当然，她背后有诺森伯兰公爵这位政权新强人的支持，因为他的儿子吉尔福德——名字相当华丽的儿子——已与她成婚。

And, of course, she has the backing ultimately of, the duke of Northumberland, the new kind of strongman of the regime, because his son Guildford, splendidly named son, has married her.

关于吉尔福德和他滑稽的嗓音还有更多故事

There's more about Guildford and his comedy voice

确实如此。

Exactly.