TIP779：更富有、更睿智、更快乐 2025年第四季度 与斯蒂格·布罗德森和威廉·格林

我必须健康。

I've gotta be healthy.

我想富有且财务自由，我想变得智慧。

I I wanna be wealthy and financially free, and I wanna be wise.

所以这对我影响很大。

So so this had a big impact on me.

对吧？

Right?

于是我试图借用他的一些肯定语。

And so I sought to borrow some of his affirmations.

然后他告诉我，我意识到最终的目标是给予和接受爱的能力。

And then what he said to me is, well, I realized that the ultimate end goal is the ability to give and receive love.

所以他告诉我，一旦我意识到这一点，我就必须改变我的肯定语。

And so he said, once I realized that, I actually had to change my affirmations.

因此他说，我意识到仅仅快乐、健康、富有和智慧是不够的。

And so he said, I realized just being happy, healthy, wealthy, and wise isn't enough.

你也得成为一个有爱心的人。

You've gotta be a loving person as well.

他说，你必须能够无条件地付出自己，因为这才是真正带给你快乐的原因。

And he said, you've you've gotta be able to give of yourself unconditionally because that's what really brings you joy.

所以他改变了他的座右铭，开始说：我是一个有爱心、善良的人，而且我快乐、健康、富有且智慧。

So so he changed his mantra, and he started to say, I am a loving, kind person, and I'm happy, healthy, wealthy, and wise.

他说，这才是他所认为的真正成功。

And he said that's what he regards as true success.

对吧？

Right?

金钱并不是拥有幸福生活的最重要部分，你需要爱。

Money is not the most important part that to have a happy life, you need love.

所以，这句话——他新的座右铭或自我肯定——凝聚了这位极其智慧、深思熟虑且充满喜悦的人的大量实用智慧。

So so that sentence, that new mantra or affirmation of his includes an enormous amount of distilled practical wisdom from this very wise, very thoughtful, very joyful man.

于是我开始想，好吧。

And so I started to think, okay.

我该怎么做，才能写下这些积极肯定语并定期使用呢？虽然我远没有阿诺德那么频繁或系统地使用它们，但我希望能同样捕捉到这种力量。

What am I gonna do to write down affirmations and then use them regularly, although nowhere near as regularly or systematically as Arnold, so that I can capture this as well?

所以我认为，你应该使用能引起你共鸣的自己的语言。

So I think you wanna use your own language that resonates for you.

于是我开始尝试各种不同的说法。

And so I started to play with different things.

我总是不太愿意在公共场合说这些话，但我也确实想分享，部分原因是我自己也从没能完全做到这些。

I I'm always wary of kind of saying this stuff in public, but I also I want and and also partly because I never live up to this stuff.

但我还是想分享，因为我觉得这对我们的听众和观众有帮助，让他们了解这个‘自助餐’里有哪些工具和元素，可以去尝试和探索，或许能对他们有所帮助。

But I I wanna share this because I think it's helpful to our listeners and viewers that they have a sense of the tools, the ingredients in this in this buffet that they can kinda play with that might help them.

于是我开始做的一件事是，我会说：我是一个善良且富有同情心的人。

And so one thing I started to do was I would say, I'm a kind and compassionate person.

我无条件地充满爱。

I'm unconditionally loving.

因为我开始想，我所研究的卡巴拉主义者——我研究卡巴拉已经大约十七年了——总是谈论无条件的爱。

Because I would start to think, well, the Kabbalists who I study I I I've studied Kabbalah for maybe seventeen years, would always talk about unconditional love.

而且，你知道，大卫·霍金斯也提到过。

And, you know, David Hawkins talks about as well.

他说，要达到540这个数值——在他的意识层级中这是非常高的水平——540就是无条件的爱。

He said that to reach five forty, which is very high on his scale of consciousness, five forty is unconditional love.

所以我开始想，好吧。

So I sort of started to think, okay.

所以我想把这种理念融入进去。

So that's a that I wanna incorporate that that idea.

但有时候我只是随意尝试，比如我会说：我是一个善良、有爱心且富有同情心的人，或者我善良、有爱心且富有同情心。

But then sometimes I would just play with it, I would just say, I'm a kind, loving, and compassionate person, or I'm kind, loving, and compassionate.

然后我会加上他所说的：我快乐、健康、富有且智慧。

And then I would add what he said, which is I'm happy, healthy, wealthy, and wise.

有时候我会混合着说。

And then sometimes and I I mix it up.

有时候我会说一些像迈克尔·伯克在我播客上分享的教训，那真的一直让我很有共鸣。

Sometimes I would say things like there there's a lesson from Michael Burke I had on the podcast, which I really it always resonated for me.

所以我会说，我是安息之所，也是造物主之光的通道。

And so I would say I'm a resting place and a conduit for the light of the creator.

因为我认为，在某种程度上，你希望成为超越自我、超越自我的某种力量的通道。

Because I think in some way, you wanna be a conduit for something beyond yourself, beyond the ego.

因此，这就像一个自助餐，你试图用这些来为自己的心灵编程。

And so this is just a buffet of things that you're trying to use to program your mind.

有时我会试图说服自己。

Sometimes I would I would try to convince myself.

我会说，比如，我很幸福、健康、苗条、健美、平静且善良。

I would say things like, you know, I'm happy, healthy, slim, fit, calm, and kind.

我总觉得有一部分我会看着自己，然后说我苗条又健康。

And I I think there was always part of me that would look at myself, so I said slim and fit.

然后我会想，没错。

And I'd like, yeah.

我不确定自己真的相信这一点。

I'm not sure I really believe that.

你知道，有点抵触情绪。

You know, there's a little bit of resistance.

但我认为这真的很有帮助。

But I think I think it's really helpful.

重复非常、非常有帮助。

The repetition is very, very helpful.

所以我把这些内容放进了一个叫Habitify的应用里，我偶尔会用这个应用，它能让你每天回到自己的习惯上。

And so I I would stick these things in in Habitify, this app that I sometimes use that gets you to to kinda come back to your habits every day.

但我有时会好几天都不去打开这个应用。

But I'll go days without even bothering to open the app.

我会忘记打开它。

I'll forget to open it.

所以在某些方面，我是个糟糕的榜样。

So I'm I'm in some ways a terrible role model.

我还会把这些内容写在我一本每天想用但并非每天都用的每日祷告书的背面，我每周会用好几次。

I also would write some of these things in the back of a daily prayer book that I try to use that I don't use every day, but I use several times a week.

因此，在接下来的几年里，这成了我在祈祷书中看到的最后几句话之一。

And so it would be among the last things that I saw in the prayer book for several years.

因此，我写下的其中一件事，源自我与阿诺德最初的对话，我非常喜欢。

And so one of the things that I wrote that is from my original conversations, I think, with Arnold, which I really like.

而且，说实话，我不确定。

And, again, I I don't know.

我有点不愿意把这些东西分享给别人，但希望它们能有所帮助。

I'm sort of wary of sharing these things with people, but, hopefully, it's helpful.

我写道：我生活在一个富足的状态中，并将永远生活在这种富足之中，我深深感激这种富足的状态。

I wrote, I live in a state of abundance and will always live in a state of abundance, and I deeply appreciate this state of abundance.

因为我想让自己相信的，并不是‘当我赚到这么多钱、拥有这么多财富、住上这样的房子、没有债务之类’的时候，我才会最终感到幸福和自由。

Because part of what I'm trying to program myself to believe is not, oh, if I make this amount of money or I have this amount of money or I have this kind of house or no debt or anything like that, then I'm finally gonna be happy and feel free and the like.

因此，我在那句话中想传达的是：不。

And so part of what I'm doing there with that statement is I'm telling myself, no.

不。

No.

我生活在一个富足的状态中，这并不是一个财务数字。

I live in a state of abundance, and it's not a financial number.

这实际上是一种状态。

It's actually a state.

这是一种富足或繁荣的状态，我将永远生活在这种富足的状态中。

It's a state of abundance or prosperity, and I'll always live in a state of abundance.

我深深感激这种富足的状态，因为我希望让自己培养出对已有之物的深切感恩，而不是不断思考未来将拥有什么，然后才觉得 okay。

And I deeply appreciate the state of abundance because I wanna wire myself to have, like, deep appreciation for what I already have instead of constantly thinking about what I'm going to have, and then it'll be okay.

所以这些是我使用的一些工具。

So those are some of the tools that that I use.

还有阿诺德提出的一个非常重要的问题，我们曾讨论过如何真正进入他所说的‘一心专注’的状态，这另一种说法就是心流状态，他基本上在谈的是，他有了一个伟大的领悟：存在着许多不同的方式，让你的思维以极端的方式集中于单一的点或对象上。

There's also this really important question that Arnold raises that we discussed a bit of how you actually get into this state of what he would call one pointedness, one pointed attention, which is another way of talking about flow states, I guess, which is it what he's basically talking about, he's had this great revelation that there are all of these different ways where you're focusing the mind in a kind of extreme way on a single point or object.

因此，传统上，这可能是呼吸。

And so traditionally, it might be the breath.

也可能是咒语。

It might be a mantra.

它可能是视觉化。

It might be visualization.

因此，你试图让心灵更加稳定。

And so you're trying to make the mind more stable.

所以它不会摇摆不定。

So it's it's not wavering.

它不会迟钝。

It's not dull.

因此，你进入了一种深度专注的状态，在这种状态下，当情绪和感觉出现时，你不会被它们分散注意力或陷入其中。

So you're getting into these deep absorption states where you're not distracted as emotions and sensations arise so you don't get entangled in them.

因此，你能将你的能量导向一种心流状态。

And so you're able to direct your energy into a state of flow.

因此，阿诺德在过去一年中的重大发现是，通过催眠、呼吸技巧或冥想，你进入了深度专注的状态，在这种状态下，潜意识更容易被塑造。

And so Arnold's big revelation in the last year really is that through hypnosis or through breathing techniques or through meditation, you're getting into these very deep states of absorption where the subconscious mind is easier to mold.

因此，他是通过自我催眠实现的。

And so he did it through self hypnosis.

和他交谈时，有时很难让阿诺德说清楚，我总想把他拉回具体的事情上，让他解释明白。

And he it's sometimes maddeningly difficult to pin Arnold down when you're in conversation, and I'm always trying to drag him towards something, like, really tangible and get him to explain it.

因此，阿诺德每天早上醒来后，会感谢上帝赐予他新的一天，感谢生命中所有的恩典。

And so one of one of the things that Arnold obviously does is when he wakes up each day, he thanks God for another day for all the blessings in his life.

然后他会把双臂放在床上，我想他会从100倒数到1，同时感觉手臂越来越沉重。

And then he lays his arms down on the mattress of his bed, and I think he starts to count from a 100 down to one while his arms get heavier.

因此，这是他每天早上用来进入一种流动状态、深度专注状态的技术，在这种状态下，他可以向潜意识发出指令吗？

And so this is a technique that he uses every morning to get himself into a kind a of flow state, into this state of deep absorption where he can, I guess, give instructions to his subconscious mind?

我希望自己也能这样做，但我常常醒来后，会用希伯来语说一些话，表达对灵魂重归身体、获得新一天、有机会比昨天更智慧地生活的感恩之情。

I wish that I did that, but I find I often wake up, and I I do tend to say something in in Hebrew that is sort of giving thanks to the fact that you got your soul back, that you have another day, that you have another opportunity to to live more wisely than you did the previous day, hopefully.

那些不是原话，但这是许多犹太人每天都会说的一句话。

Those aren't the exact words, but it's a it's a it's a phrase that that a lot of Jews say every day.

这其实挺美的，我来给你念一小段。

And it's kinda beautiful in I I'll I'll tell you a little snippet of it.

它是这样讲的。

It goes.

所以我会每天早上试着说这句话。

And so I'll try to say that every morning.

你相当于在一天开始时就让自己进入一种良好的状态，但我发现我立刻就会去读《纽约时报》之类的东西，看看又有什么新的灾难发生，这就会让我脱离那种状态。

So you're sort of you're getting yourself in a good state at the very start, and I find I then immediately slip into reading the New York Times or something and seeing what fresh disaster there is, and and that takes me out of that state.

这就是为什么我根本算不上是正确使用这些技巧的典范的原因之一。

So this is one of the reasons why I'm such a poor example of how actually to use these techniques.

但还有其他一些方法可以让自己进入这种深度专注的状态。

But then there are these other ways of getting yourself into these deep absorption states.

因此，我和阿诺德在播客中讨论过的一个东西是这款叫Reveri的应用程序，拼写是r-e-v-e-r-i，我虽然从未真正沉迷其中，但已经多次订阅过它。

And so one of the things that I've discussed in those podcasts with Arnold is this app Reveri, which is r e v e r I, which I've never got super into, but I've subscribed to it multiple times.

我至今还保留着它，也一直想更深入地使用它。

I still have it, and I keep wanting to get deeper into it.

我用过它很多次。

I've used it a bunch of times.

但它是由大卫·斯皮格尔创建的，他是斯坦福大学精神病学与行为科学系的副系主任，同时也是斯坦福压力与健康中心以及斯坦福大学医学院整合医学中心的主任。

But it's created by this guy, David Spiegel, who's the associate chair of psychiatry and behavioral sciences at Stanford and director of the Stanford Center on Stress and Health and director of the Center for Integrative Medicine at Stanford University School of Medicine.

这位男士在医学领域拥有极高的可信度。

So this is a guy who's who's got serious credibility in the medical field.

因此，令人好奇的是，他竟然使用催眠来应对哮喘、压力、失眠、疼痛、创伤后应激障碍，帮助戒烟以及改善饮食。

And so it's curious that he's he's using hypnosis to deal with things like asthma and stress and insomnia and pain and PTSD and to quit smoking and to eat better.

我认为我们的听众和观众值得去探索这一点，因为这位人士毕业于哈佛和耶鲁，并且出版了多本书籍。

And so I think that's worth our listeners and viewers exploring because this is a guy who's been educated at Harvard and Yale, and he's written multiple books.

而且这并不昂贵。

And it's it's not expensive.

每年大约只需100美元左右。

It's something like a $100 a year.

它的作用是帮助你进入一种催眠状态，他称之为‘自然发生的、高度专注的注意力状态’。

And it's about getting you into this state of hypnosis, which he calls a a naturally occurring state of of highly focused attention.

我在我与阿诺德的对话中多次提到的、使用频率更高的工具是，有位名叫哈里·卡彭特的人对阿诺德产生了巨大影响，他写了一本名为《内在的精灵》的书，阿诺德认为这本书在很大程度上是运用这些训练潜意识技巧的最佳实用指南。

The thing that I've used much more often that I've talked about in my episodes with Arnold, which I find kind of ridiculously helpful, almost embarrassingly helpful, is that there's this guy who had a huge impact on Arnold, a guy called Harry Carpenter, who wrote a book called the genie within, which Arnold regards as, in many ways, the best single practical guide to using these techniques of of training the subconscious mind.

这确实是一本好书。

And it it is a good book.

对我来说，这有点难接受，因为他会使用一些诸如‘潜意识慢炖锅’之类的说法，甚至书名《内在的精灵》也是如此。

And I you know, for me, it's a little bit hard because he'll he'll literally he'll use phrases like sort of the subconscious crock pot and stuff like that and even, like, the title, the genie within.

作为一个有点知识傲慢的人，我对这些东西有很多抵触，而阿诺德的优势之一就是他完全没有这种抵触。

Like, I have a lot of resistance to this stuff as a sort of intellectual snob, whereas part of Arnold's advantage is that he had no resistance at all.

他根本没有上过大学，也不是那种知识傲慢的人。

Like, he just you know, he didn't go to university or anything, and he just was not an intellectual snob.

所以他直接用了这些方法，而且确实有效。

And so he just used this stuff and it worked.

因此，我认为很多理性、知识分子型的人会面临一个问题：我们有时对这些东西有些抵触，因此无法完全受益。

And so I think there is this problem for a lot of cerebral intellectual people is that we're a little bit resistant sometimes to this stuff, and so we don't get the full benefit to it.

但我发现一个特别有帮助的事情是，《内在的精灵》的作者哈里·卡彭特有一个网站，网址是thegeniewithin.com。

But one of the things that I found really helpful is that Harry Carpenter, the author of the Genie Within, has a website, which is thegeniewithin.com.

在那个网站上，有这些肯定语CD。

And on there, there are these affirmation CDs.

我订购了这些音频文件，每张大约10美元。

And I ordered these as m p threes, and they're something like $10 each.

我的天，整个才10美元。

Mean, $10 for the whole thing.

这也不是特别便宜。

It's not totally inexpensive.

其中有一个叫第二轨，名为‘通过渐进式放松进入阿尔法状态’，背景里有节拍器的声音。

And there's one, it's called track two, attaining the alpha state through progressive relaxation, which has this metronome sound in the background.

哈里·卡彭特会讲大约十一点半分钟，帮你进入阿尔法状态。

And Harry Carpenter talks for about eleven, eleven and a half minutes, and it gets you into an alpha state.

我觉得这简直太有帮助了，我用过很多次。

And I find that ridiculously helpful, and I've used it a lot.

而且，你越经常使用，它就越能让你在深度专注的状态下，把拇指和食指捏在一起，说类似‘三、二、一，阿尔法’这样的话，从而迅速进入那种状态。

And one of the things that it enables you to do also the more you do it is he teaches you while in this state of deep absorption to put your thumb and forefinger together and to say something like three two one alpha, and you get into that state.

所以你就不用每次都完整播放整个音频了，因为当你想进入这种深度状态时，只需要一个身体提示就可以了。

And so then you don't need to go through the tape the whole time because just when you wanna go into this deep state, there's this kind of physical cue.

所以我觉得，他还有一段是关于进入西塔状态的，我认为是第三轨，叫‘西塔状态练习’，我用过不少次，但远没有阿尔法状态的那段用得多，因为我发现阿尔法状态的那段特别特别有用。

And so I think, you know, from and and then he also has one on getting into theta state, which I think is track three, the theta state routine, which I've I've used quite a lot, but nowhere near as much as the alpha state one, which I just find very, very helpful.

因此，人们可以使用一系列技巧来进入这些深度专注的状态。

And so there is this kind of array of techniques that people can use to get into these deep states of absorption.

我经常冥想。

I I meditate a lot.

我的意思是，不算特别多，但我至少每周会尝试冥想几次。

I mean, not a huge amount, but I I try to meditate several times a week at least.

如果我更有条理一点，我会每天都做，但我并没有每天都坚持。

And if if I were a little more organized, I would do it every day, but I don't do it quite every day.

但我认为这能让你进入一种深度专注的状态，让心中的乌云稍微散开，或者至少让你更清晰地看到自己内心的风暴。

But I think that gets you in a state of deep absorption where it kinda moves the clouds away a little bit or at least you see the storm in your own head a little more clearly.

所以我认为，所有这些技巧都能帮助你更清晰地看待事物，以一种更少扭曲、更少杂音的方式与内心更深层的部分沟通。

So I think all of these techniques enable you to see a little more clearly and to communicate maybe with this deeper part of yourself in a less distorting, staticky kind of way.

但还有其他一些阿诺德多年来使用的技术，我认为也值得探索。

But then there are other techniques that Arnold's used over the years that I think are also worth exploring.

多年来，他做了大量关于视觉化的工作。

So he's done a lot with visualization over the years.

所以有一个叫J.K.威廉姆斯的人对他产生了深远影响，他写道：你可以构建一个心理图像或蓝图，来描绘你希望实现的进步与拓展。

So he there's there's a guy called JK Williams who had a profound impact on him who's who wrote, you can make a mental image or a blueprint of the progress and expansion you want to achieve.

通过将你的目标概念印入潜意识，你就能使你脑海中所想象的状况成为现实。

And by impressing the concept of your objective upon your subconscious mind, you can cause the condition you visualize in your mind to be created.

换句话说，你创造了属于自己的现实。

In other words, you create your own reality.

这个来自J.K.威廉姆斯的可视化理念对阿诺德影响巨大，以至于他从1979年《巴伦周刊》上找了一张看起来非常成功的投资者的照片，那人穿着漂亮的西装等等。

And this had such an impact on Arnold, this this idea from JK Williams of visualization, that he took Arnold took a a photo, I think, from Barron's in 1979 of some very successful looking investor in his beautiful suit and stuff.

他一遍又一遍地看着这张照片，想象自己变成那个人的样子。

And he would just look at this photo again and again visualizing himself becoming like this guy.

所以，这是另一种将你希望成为的样子印入潜意识的方法。

So that's another way of impressing upon your subconscious mind what it is you wanna become.

此外，阿诺德还非常谨慎地努力消除负面想法和负面的自我对话。

And then Arnold has also been really careful to try to erase negative thoughts and negative self talk.

他有一个过程，他说自己会筛选自己的想法。

And so he has this process where he said he screens his thoughts.

当他产生愤怒或消极的想法时，他会直接抹去它，因为他不希望这些想法留下印记。

And when he has an angry thought or a negative thought, say, he would just erase it because he doesn't want it to make an impression.

所以，当他有消极想法时，他就会说：不。

So he would if he had a negative thought, he could just say, no.

我是一个善良有爱心的人。

I I'm a kind and loving person.

或者他也可以每天每刻都对自己说：我正变得越来越好。

Or or he could just say, in every day and every way, I'm getting better and better.

因此，他在消除这些消极的想法。

And so he's erasing that negative thought.

如果你像我一样是个作家，而我们学习英语文学或写作小说时被教导要敢于探索生活的阴暗面，让思维自由驰骋，那么这种做法就很难做到。

And this is hard if you're someone like me who's a writer, and a lot of what we were taught when we were studying English literature or learning to write fiction or whatever it was was you need to be willing to go explore the dark side of life and let your mind run wild.

所以，要控制自己的想法，把它们引导到这样一条受限的路径上，这确实很难。

And so it's difficult, the idea that actually you're kinda controlling your thoughts and you're putting them down this kind of constrained path.

但正如阿诺德所说，我第一次在播客中采访他时，他说：人生中最重要的事，就是你相信什么。

But as Arnold said, the first time I interviewed him on my podcast, he he said the single most important thing in life is what you believe.

他说，你的信念支配着你的情绪，你的情绪塑造了你的态度，而你的态度创造了现实。

And he said your belief governs your feelings, and your feelings create your attitude, and your attitude creates reality.

因此，他在控制自己的想法和向潜意识输入的信息方面变得非常非常有纪律。

So he just became very, very disciplined about controlling what he thought and the messages he put in his subconscious mind.

所以，我想再提最后一点。

And so, you know, there's one other last point I would make.

抱歉我啰嗦了这么久，但我试图给人们提供一些切实可行的工具。

And sorry that I'm I'm rambling for a long time, but I'm trying to give people sort of some fairly tangible tools here.

你之前提到，潜意识可以照亮一条道路，但它不会替你走完这条路，你必须亲自去执行，我认为这是一个非常重要、非常重要的观点。

What you said before about the fact that the subconscious mind can illuminate a path, but it won't walk it for you, that you actually have to execute, I think is a really, really important point.

因此，阿诺德显然做了大量工作来重新编程自己的思维，使自己产生有益的想法。

And so Arnold has obviously done a huge amount to reprogram his mind so that he has thoughts that are helpful.

但与此同时，他也极其自律且充满动力。

But at the same time, he's been ridiculously disciplined and driven.

所以，他曾一度——我想我可能在书里写过这件事。

And so he, at one point, he basically I think I may have written about this in the book.

他放弃了国际象棋，因为他热爱它，但他意识到这会占用太多时间。

He gave up chess because he loved it, and he saw that it was just gonna take up too much of his time.

他希望专注于投资，成为一名成功的投资者。

And he wanted to focus on investing and becoming a successful investor.

他打过一次高尔夫，然后说：嗯。

And he played golf once, and he was like, yeah.

这会束缚我的思维。

This is gonna shackle my mind.

我不能这么做。

I can't do this.

因此他再也没有打过。

And so he never played again.

他非常专注于消除干扰。

So he was very he was very focused on removing distractions.

我认为他也从JK·威廉姆斯那里学到了这一点，后者说：只要你愿意付出代价，就可以得到任何你想要的东西。

And this is something I think that he also learned from JK Williams who said, you can have anything you want providing you are willing to pay the price.

因此，阿诺德也不相信拖延。

And so Arnold really doesn't believe in procrastination either.

他常常对自己说，他有一个座右铭：现在就做。

He would often say to himself, he has this mantra, do it now.

现在就做。

Do it now.

他在饮食上也非常自律。

And very disciplined in what he eats.

他是素食者。

He's he's vegan.

他在锻炼和积极肯定方面也非常有纪律。

He was very disciplined in his exercise, in his affirmations.

他一直都在做瑜伽。

He would do yoga the whole time.

我的确有一段视频，是我在他办公室拍的，那时我想他已经有77岁了，但他能将脚放在头顶上方的书架上，他还给我展示了他能完全交叉盘腿，做到莲花坐姿。

I mean, I have this video of him that I took in his office when I think he was 77, and he could put his foot on the bookshelf above his head at 77, and he showed me that he could put his legs in lotus position, sort of fully folded over each other.

我的意思是，我做不到那样。

I mean, I can't do that.

而且我都五十多岁了。

And I'm in my fifties.

然后他还能用指尖把自己撑离地面。

And then he could lift himself off the ground on his fingertips.

我最近问他还能不能做到，他说：‘当然能。’

And I asked him recently if he could still do it, and he's like, oh, yeah.

他现在还能做到。

He can still do it.

他还给我定了一条规矩，说：能站着就别坐着。

And so he also would have this rule where he said to me, don't sit when you can stand.

能走路就别站着。

Don't stand when you can walk.

能跑步就别走路。

Don't walk when you can run.

遇到楼梯时，就爬上去。

And when there are stairs, climb them.

所以我认为这非常重要，那就是仅仅让心态处于良好状态是不够的。

And so I think this is really important is this idea that it's not it's not enough just to get your mind in a great state.

你必须在工作中相当有纪律。

You've gotta actually be pretty disciplined in your work.

你必须在工作中相当有动力。

You've gotta be pretty driven in your work.

而且我有时候在想，也许这正是过去十年我的生活变得更好的主要原因——我非常有动力，而且对工作非常专注。

And I I wonder in a way I mean, I think that's probably a pretty big part of why life has gone better for me over the last decade is I'm I'm pretty driven and pretty focused on my work.

比如，你知道，我在使用所有这些工具（比如肯定语之类的）时非常不规律，我在任何需要例行和系统性规律行为的事情上，成绩总是勉强及格或中等偏下。

Like, you know, I'm pretty erratic in using all of these tools, like like affirmations or whatever it you know, like, I'm I'm always solid b minus or c plus or whatever on any of these things that require routine and and systematic regular behavior.

但我对工作非常执着，总是尽力做好充分准备，诸如此类。

But I'm pretty obsessive about my work and just always trying to prepare as much as possible and the like.

所以我认为两者都需要。

And and so I think you need both.

我不是说哪一个更重要。

I'm not saying one is more important than the other.

我认为你需要工作，需要自律，但你也需要让自己的心态处于正确的位置。

I think you need the work, you need the discipline, but you also need to get your mind in the right place.

另外一件事是，我建议不要总是专注于成为某种人。

You know, the other thing is also, I would say, not to be so focused on always becoming something.

总是觉得，我必须成为这样，然后才会快乐。

You know, always like, I must be this, and then I'm gonna be happy.

我认为这也是阿诺德给我们的重要启示之一。

And I think this is this is one of the great lessons from Arnold as well.

当我在我书里写到他时，他说：‘我是世界上最富有的人，因为我对拥有的东西感到满足。’

When when I when I wrote about him in my book, he said I'm the richest guy in the world because I'm content with what I have.

因此，我认为另一件非常关键的事是，即使你正在使用潜意识、肯定语、可视化和咒语等方法来成为比现在更优秀的人，也很重要的是培养感恩的能力，这样你也能对现状感到满足。

And so that's another thing I think that's really key is even as you're trying to use all these things like the subconscious mind and affirmations and visualization and mantras and the like to become something more than you are, I think it's really important to build this muscle of appreciation so that you're content also with what you have.

我觉得在这方面，我实际上已经取得了很大进步， partly 是因为我经历过人生中一些不太顺利的时期，那时我在经济或事业上挣扎，生活很艰难，因此很多时候，我都充满感激之情。

And so I feel like this is something where I actually have made a lot of progress, where I'm just I think partly because I went through periods of my life where things weren't that good, where I was sort of struggling financially or professionally, and it was just, you know, it was just difficult that I just a lot of the time, I just feel sort of overwhelmed with gratitude.

你知道吗，我内心有一部分，比如我已故的祖母莫莉尔，她过去一定会对你说‘我感到如此幸运’这种话感到震惊，仿佛你是在挑衅上帝、挑衅命运，或者挑衅某种黑暗力量。

And, you know, there's a part of me, you you know, historically, like, for example, my my late grandmother, Muriel, would have would, you know, would have been horrified by you know, it was as if you were sort of tempting tempting God or tempting fate or tempting, you know, dark forces by saying, you know, I feel so fortunate.

我感到如此有福。

I feel so blessed.

我认为这是对的。

And I think that's right.

我内心有一部分不愿意把这话大声说出来。

There's a part of me that doesn't wanna say that out loud.

迈克尔·伯格经常说，你应当隐藏自己的福气。

You know, Michael Berg will often say, you wanna conceal your blessings.

我认为这是对的。

And I think that's true.

但与此同时，在我自己的心里，我只是想不断感恩和感激你所拥有的一切——无论是你拥有的家、你学习的环境，那里堆满了书；还是你拥有的朋友、伴侣，或是健康的身体，或是你从困境中康复的事实，又或是你能够学习、从事自己感兴趣的工作。

And at the same time, at least in my own mind, I just wanna really be constantly grateful and thankful for the you know, whether it's the home that you have or the study that you have, where you're surrounded by books or friends that you have or partner that you have or just good health or the fact that, you know, you recovered from something or the fact that you get to learn stuff or do work that you find interesting.

不管是什么，我认为你都应当培养这种感恩的能力。

What whatever it is, I think you wanna kinda build that muscle.

我认为阿诺德身上体现出来的一点，就是一种巨大的感恩和欣赏之情。

And I think that's one thing that I see from Arnold is just this tremendous sense of gratitude and appreciation.

同时，他也明白，培养良好的品格对他幸福至关重要。

And then at the same time, he understands the fact that developing a good character is gonna be really key to his happiness.

所以他经常会说，做正确的事永远不会错。

And so he's just really he'll say things like, you you never go wrong doing the right thing.

因此，他简直就是一位希望正直善良待人者的美好典范。

And so he's just he just is such a beautiful embodiment to somebody who's looking to behave decently and kindly.

他曾经写过一篇名为《承诺的力量》的演讲稿，我认为他完全是用潜意识完成的，而且几乎没有修改过，也许只改了一个词之类的。

He he once wrote a a speech called the power of commitment, which I think he did entirely using his subconscious mind, and he never changed maybe he changed one word or something.

他在演讲中说，如果你以爱和尊重对待他人，诚实、体贴、慷慨、热情，那么作为回报，人们也会把这些同样的感受投射到你身上。

And he said in it, if you've treated people with love and respect and if you've been honest and considerate, giving, enthusiastic, then in return, people will project those same feelings onto you.

所以我认为，其中一部分也在于，他明确指出，这关乎努力成为一个好人。

And so I think part of it is also he clarified that it's it's it's about trying to become a good person.

你知道吗？

You know?

做个好人。

Be a good person.

以特定的方式对待他人。

Treat people a particular way.

多一些爱。

Be more loving.

更友善一些。

Be kinder.

更有同情心。

Be more compassionate.

然后这会让你感到快乐。

And then it kind of it makes you joyful.

这一切始于金钱和财务自由，随后发展成他意识到的重要之事，并且他身体力行。

And so it started with the money and the financial independence, and then it grew into something much bigger that he realized was important and that he embodies.

我想这就是他如此激励我们的原因。

And I I think that's why he inspires us so much.

很抱歉花了这么久才把这一点讲清楚，但我希望这能给人们提供一些可以借鉴并融入自己生活的理念。

So sorry that that took me a while to to lay out, but I hope that gives people something to to cling onto that they can use in their own lives.

威廉，我有很多事情都想在这里提到。

There are so many things that I want to to hit on here, William.

首先，感谢你分享这些。

Thank you, first of all, for sharing that.

我只是想稍微岔开一下话题，开个威廉的玩笑，然后我再回到正题。

You know, I'm just going to do a small detour just to embarrass William, and then I'm actually going to to get to my point.

我发现，无论我跟多少人谈论任何话题，他们通常都会设法告诉我威廉有多棒。

I find it to be absolutely astounding how many people I speak to about any subject you can possibly imagine, and then they typically find a way to let me know how wonderful William is.

我们根本没提到威廉。

Again, we don't talk about William at all.

我们甚至没谈价值投资或工作，只是随便聊聊，但突然间就会有人特别特别友善地提到威廉，比如：对了，威廉真是个再好不过的人。

We don't even talk about value investing or work, just talk about anything and then suddenly someone would say something really, really nice about William, as in, Oh, by the way, William is just a wonderful, wonderful person.

所以，我只是想对你，威廉，说这些。

So I just wanted to tell that to you, William.

我经常看到这种情况，显然我在自己身上看到的比在任何人身上都多，但谢谢你以如此慷慨的态度面对生活的方方面面，让我们所有人都变得更强大。

I see it all the time, and obviously I see it in myself more than anywhere else, but thank you for being so generous in all walks of life and make us all so strong.

哦，我很感激。

Oh, I appreciate it.

你知道，我很难接受赞美，部分原因是我是英国人，我们常常自我调侃之类的。

I you know, it's it's hard for me to receive praise partly because I'm English and we have a lot of self mockery and the like.

但部分原因是我清楚自己有多蠢，以及我一半时间表现得有多糟糕。

But partly, I think it's because I know what a schmuck I am and how badly I behave half the time.

所以，是的，我当然可以说一些漂亮、动听的话，但我并不想让人误以为我真能配得上这些评价？

And so, yeah, so I I mean, I wouldn't I can I I can say pretty words and eloquent words, but I I wouldn't wanna give anyone the impression that I live up to this stuff?

你知道的？

You know?

我一直在犯错、跌跌撞撞、始终困惑不已。

I'm screwing up the whole time as well and stumbling and confused the whole time.

当我有压力时，我的表现会很差。

And when I'm stressed, I behave poorly.

所以我认为，这里有帮助的是，当你找到像阿诺德这样的人时，他当然也不是完美的人，但毫无疑问，他比我要好得多。你会看到，当你以某种方式行事并理解某些原则时，什么是可能的，然后你努力朝着正确的方向前进，尽管会不断跌倒、失败、犯错，以及我们无法达到这些标准的种种方式。

And so I I think what's helpful here is when you find someone like Arnold who also wouldn't be a perfect human being by any means, but of no doubt much better human being than I am, you see what's possible when you behave a particular way and when you understand certain principles, and then you try to be directionally correct despite all of the stumbling and all of the failing and all of the mistakes and all of the ways in which we don't live up to this.

然后，就像尼克·斯利普会对我所说的那样，你要对自己在失败和错误上的表现宽容一些。

And then as Nick Sleep would say to me, you try to be kind with yourself about the failings and the mistakes.

给自己一点宽容。

You give yourself a little grace.

但我认为这非常重要，因为对我们来说，很容易看着别人，认为他们已经把一切都理顺了，或者他们达到了更高的层次，已经超越了愤怒、嫉妒、欲望和贪婪之类的东西，对吧？

But I think this is really important because I I I think it's very easy for us to look at other people and think they've sorted this all out or they've reached a much higher level or they're beyond, like, anger and jealousy and lust and greed and you know?

但其实并不是这样。

And it's like, no.

我们每个人时时刻刻都在犯错，尤其是在极端情况下。

We're we're all screwing up the whole time and especially under extreme circumstances.

因此，我觉得我试图从像阿诺德这样的人身上汲取和提炼的东西，是一种理想化的追求。

And so I feel like what I what I'm trying to share from people share and distill from people like Arnold is kind of aspirational.

当我看到那些在人生道路上走得更远、已经转化了更多自我和私欲的人时，这真的非常有帮助，因为它让我们明确了目标是什么。

And when I see someone who's much further along the path, who's transformed much more of their ego and their self interest, it's really, really helpful because it gives us a a sense of what the target is.

我最喜欢做的一件事就是寻找模式，比如我观察阿诺德，发现他从他最喜欢的作者詹姆斯·艾伦的著作《从贫困到力量》中汲取的东西，他一直在研读詹姆斯·艾伦。

And part of what I like to do is just find patterns where I'm I'm looking, for example, at Arnold and seeing that, you know, the stuff that he's found from his favorite author, James Allen, in a book like From Poverty to Power, like, he's looking at James Allen.

詹姆斯·艾伦在跟你谈论如何克服自私，这就是你真正成为真理的追随者、成为真理力量的方式——你正在战胜对自我的执着。

James Allen is is talking to you about overcoming selfishness, that that's that's the way that you're, you know, he'll talk about wage war against self, and that's the way that you're actually gonna get to become a a disciple of truth and a force for truth that you're overcoming clinging to self.

然后我想起了一位我从中学到很多的了不起的藏传佛教导师，名叫堪卓拉。

And then I I think of this amazing Tibetan Buddhist teacher that I've learned huge amount from called Kandrala.

她说，在我参加的这次静修中，我们努力将自我珍视转变为珍视他人。

And she said that the on this retreat I went on, we are trying to turn self cherishing into cherishing others.

所以我听到这样的说法，但事实是，不行。

And so it's like, I'm hearing things like that, but it's like, no.

我仍然在大量地珍视自我，而没有珍视他人。

I'm still doing a hell of a lot of self cherishing, and I'm not cherishing others.

所以我只是想明确一点：我其实是在参加补习班。

So I'm just trying to make it really clear that it's like, I'm in the remedial program here.

我一直在跌跌撞撞、不断失败。

Like, I'm I'm stumbling and failing the whole time.

所以当人们称赞我时，我非常感激，但我看着自己，心里想：真的吗？

So if people are saying nice things about me, like, I'm I'm very grateful, but I look at myself and I'm like, really?

你又这样了？

You did that again?

你又那样行事了？

You behaved that way again?

真的吗？

Really?

你还是有那些情绪，对吧？

You still have those emotions and the you know?

我不希望任何人误以为我已经成为某种超然崇高的人物。

And I just don't wanna give anyone the false impression that I've somehow, you know, become some super elevated figure.

不是这样的。

It's like, no.

我可以提炼那些更高层次人物所学到的东西，然后自己跌跌撞撞地朝那个方向努力？

I can I can distill what more elevated figures have learned, and then I can stumble in that direction?

也许你应该把这种独特的情况称为人性，威廉。

Perhaps you should call this unique condition being human, William.

你对此怎么看？

What do you say about that?

你说得非常好，你是从阿诺德和其他人那里学到的。

It was so well articulated, you learned from Arnold and others.

你知道，我曾经是一名大学教授，但请别因此对我有偏见。

You know, I used to be a college professor, but please don't hold it against me.

他们教我们的其中一件事是，我们必须弄清楚学生如何学得最好。

So one of the things that they teach us is that we have to figure out how our students learn the best.

学生的学习方式各不相同，有些人擅长视觉学习，有些人擅长听觉学习，等等。

There are different ways students learn best, some are visual or some are auditive, whatnot.

当你听威廉或我讲话，或者阅读关于其他人的书籍时，你可能会遇到的一个挑战是，我们可能倾向于——好吧，我不该把威廉拉到我这么低的水平上，但我可能倾向于用自己的滤镜来理解一切。

One of the challenges that you might hear whenever you are listening to William or to me, or you read a book about someone else is that we may have a tendency Well, I shouldn't pull William down to my lower level here, but I might have a tendency to run things through my own filter.

所以我通常是个非常偏重听觉的人。

So I tend to be a very auditive person.

我以前研究或了解过这种技巧，关于你之前提到的视觉型学习方式，威廉。

I've studied or learned about this technique before about how being visual that you also mentioned before, William.

我知道有些人用剪贴板来实现财务自由并进行可视化，这对他们有效。

I know of people who have used clipboards, for example, to become financially independent and visualize, and it works for them.

我完全不是视觉型的人。

I'm not a visual person at all.

我妻子总是取笑我，说我根本注意不到任何事情。

My wife teases me all the time where I don't notice things at all.

即使我们公寓换了新家具，我也可能根本发现不了。

We could probably get new furniture in our condo and I wouldn't notice it.

我是非常视觉型的。

I'm extremely visual.

我非常偏向听觉型。

I'm very auditive.

所以当你在探索这个话题时，可能会读到一些相关书籍，而这些书可能带有某种偏向，朝另一个方向发展。

So I think as you are exploring this and you might read a book about this and it might have a bias to do a a different direction.

三十:三十

Thirty:thirty

我建议你，即使这种方法对你无效，也不要放弃。

I would encourage you just not to give up if it doesn't work for you.

也许这只是你勉强采用了一种对你来说不如对作者那么自然的技术。

Perhaps it was just leaning into a technique that is not as natural to you as it might be to the author.

然后我想说，这一直是，而且再次强调，这是经过我自身过滤后的想法。

And then I would say something that has been and again, this is running through my own filter.

一开始，每当我想进入心流状态或更深的状态时，我都会有一个引导的声音，可能是因为我属于听觉型。

In the beginning whenever I want to enter a flow state or a deeper state, I would have a guiding voice, probably because I'm auditive.

这对我很有帮助。

That was helpful for me.

所以这涉及到威廉之前提到的内容，你可以听完整个磁带，但也可以提取其精髓，转化为某种实物形式。

So that goes to what William was going before where you can listen to the entire tape, but you can also take the essence of that and put it into something physical.

例如，我记得你说过你把食指和拇指贴在一起。

For example, I think you said you were forefingered to your thumb.

所以你会给你的大脑提供不同的提示。

So you sort of like would give your mind different clues.

因此，这是我另一种说法：如果这个方法对你无效，也许可以试试别的方法，然后你学会这个技巧，就能更容易地进入那种状态。

And so, this is another way for me to say, if this technique doesn't work perhaps another, and then you learn the technique, and then you can easier go into that state.

这需要一些练习，就像生活中的任何事情一样。

It takes some practice just like anything else, here in life.

我认为在我们交谈时，我意识到的另一件事是，当我思考我所使用的方法时，我做的很多事都像一种祈祷。当我开车去办公室，即将和你谈话时，我知道，我有点犹豫说出我的内心独白，但因为我试图让自己进入正确的心态，我经常对自己说：请帮助我成为一股向善的力量。

I think the other thing that I realized as we were talking when when I think about the techniques that I use, a lot of what I do is a sort of form of prayer where I realize as I'm as I'm driving towards my office here where I'm about to talk to you, I you know, again, I'm sort of wary of saying what my inner monologue is, but I I'm frequently because I'm trying to get myself in the right state, I I'm saying to myself, please help me to be a force for good.

你知道吗？

You know?

帮助我将世界的平衡转向爱、慈悲、善良、同情、真诚等品质。

Help me shift the balance in the world towards, you know, qualities like love, mercy, kindness, compassion, truthfulness.

因为我意识到自己有多么不完美和有缺陷，卡巴拉教义中有一个美妙的概念，那就是你 somewhere 有一个完美的灵魂。

And because I have an awareness of how imperfect and flawed I am, there there's this beautiful concept that the Kabbalists teach, which is that you have you have a perfected soul somewhere.

你知道吗？

You know?

这有点像柏拉图所说的。

It's sort of like like Plato would say.

你知道吗？

You know?

就像有一种完美的、你所谓的柏拉图式形态，所以你可以这么做：请让我借用我那完美的灵魂吧，因为超越时间、空间和运动，总有一天我会是完美的。

There's like this perf you know, this platonic form of you that's and so one thing that you can do is you can say, you know, please let me borrow from my perfected soul because, you know, beyond time, space, and motion, I'm gonna be perfect one day.

总有一天，我会变得非常崇高。

One day, I'm gonna be really elevated.

所以，正在听和看的人们，不应该因为我还是个这么笨拙的人而受苦。

And so, you know, the people who are listening and watching shouldn't suffer from the fact that I'm still such a schmuck.

所以，请让我借用我那完美的灵魂，以便分享一些有价值的东西。

So let me borrow from my perfected soul so I can share something that's worthwhile.

因此，你用来让自己进入状态、从而改变平衡的工具，是非常个人化的。

And so it's very personal, the tools that you use to get yourself in a state where you're shifting the balance.

你是在增加自己表现得体、取得成功结果的可能性。

You're sort of increasing the odds that you're gonna behave decently and that you're gonna have a successful outcome.

但我认为设定意图极其重要，它能激发你帮助他人、成为一股向善力量的动力。

But I think the setting of intention is just hugely important, you know, to to have the motivation to help other people and to be a force for good.

我一遍又一遍地回到这一点，我认为这非常强大，因为我会看到像阿诺德这样克服自我 ego 的人，或者卡内拉，还有迈克尔·伯格这些伟大的导师。

I I come back to that again and again and again and again, and I I I think that's hugely powerful because, you know, I I see people like Arnold overcoming their own ego or or Candela or any of these great teachers, Michael Berg.

他们所做的，只是努力提升他人。

That all they're doing is trying to lift up other people.

你会想，为什么他们都那么快乐？

And you're like, why are they all happy?

你知道，是什么让你愿意和他们待在一起？

Like, why you know, what is it that makes you wanna be around them?

就是这个。

It's it's that.

他们已经克服了卡内拉所说的自我珍视。

It's like they're they've overcome, you know, what what Candela would call self cherishing.

因此，他们不再珍视自己，而是珍视他人。

And so instead of cherishing themselves, they're cherishing others.

所以我认为，不断地反复回归，试图转变意识，这种方式至关重要。

And so I think somehow just the repetition of coming back again and again and again to try to try to shift the consciousness.

所以，是的，我想摆脱痛苦和苦难，想获得快乐，但我也希望帮助他人摆脱痛苦和苦难，获得快乐。

So it's like, yes, I wanna be free from pain and suffering, and I wanna be happy, but I also wanna help other people be free from pain and suffering and to be happy.

因此，建立这种动机至关重要。

And so establishing that motivation is huge.

无论你通过何种方式进入这种状态——无论是自我对话、祈祷还是积极肯定，只要这种动机确立了，就会启动一种非常强大的力量。

And however you can tap into that state, whether it's speaking to yourself or prayers or affirmations, whatever it is, that motivation sets in motion something that's very powerful.

我深信不疑，因为我亲眼看到有些人能极其有力地将其融入自己的行为中。

I absolutely convinced because I see people who tap into it very powerfully in their own behavior.

你就是会想和阿诺德待在一起，因为他让你感觉更好。

You just you know, you want to be around Arnold because he just makes you feel better.

让我们短暂休息一下，听听今天赞助商的信息。

Let's take a quick break and hear from today's sponsors.

你知道是什么让最优秀的企业脱颖而出吗？

You know what sets the best businesses apart?

它们通过利用创新，将复杂性转化为增长。

It's how they leverage innovation to turn complexity into growth.

这正是亚马逊广告在AWS人工智能驱动下所做的事情。

That's exactly what Amazon Ads is doing, powered by AWS AI.

每天，亚马逊广告处理数十亿次实时决策，优化整个310亿美元广告生态系统中的广告表现。

Every day, Amazon Ads processes billions of real time decisions, optimizing ad performance across a $31,000,000,000 advertising ecosystem.

结果是广告活动运行速度提升30%，并实现大规模的可衡量业务影响。

The result is campaigns that run 30% faster and deliver measurable business impact at scale.

而这正是亚马逊自身推动增长的方式。

And this is how Amazon itself drives growth.

它们的代理式人工智能将营销从资源密集型流程转变为智能自主系统，最大化投资回报率，并赋能营销人员专注于创意与战略。

Their agentic AI transforms marketing from a resource heavy process into an intelligent autonomous system that maximizes ROI and empowers marketers to focus on creativity and strategy.

亚马逊广告证明，人工智能驱动的广告不仅是未来，更是新的竞争优势。

Amazon Ads is proving that AI driven advertising isn't just the future, it's the new competitive advantage.

更棒的是，每一家企业都可以应用亚马逊内部完善过的同一套创新方法论。

And better yet, every enterprise can apply the same innovation playbook that Amazon perfected in house.

访问 aws.comai/rstory 了解亚马逊广告的故事。

See the Amazon ad story at aws.comai/rstory.

那就是 aws.comairstory。

That's aws.comairstory.

初创公司行动迅速。

Startups move fast.

借助人工智能，它们交付速度更快，并更早吸引企业客户。

And with AI, they're shipping even faster and attracting enterprise buyers sooner.

但大单带来了更大的安全和合规要求。

But big deals bring even bigger security and compliance requirements.

SOC 2 并不总是足够的。

A SOC two isn't always enough.

适当的安全措施可以促成交易，也可能导致交易失败。

The right kind of security can make a deal or break it.

但有多少创始人或工程师能抽出时间离开公司建设呢？

But what founder or engineer can afford to take time away from building their company?

Vanta 的人工智能和自动化功能可在数日内轻松为大单做好准备。

Vanta's AI and automation make it easy to get big deals ready in days.

Vanta 持续监控您的合规状态，确保未来的交易不会受阻。

And Vanta continuously monitors your compliance so future deals are never blocked.

此外，Vanta 随您一同成长，并在每一步都提供及时的支持。

Plus Vanta scales with you, backed by support that's there when you need it every step of the way.

随着人工智能改变法规和买家的期望，Vanta 知道何时需要什么，并已打造了最快、最简便的路径，助您达成目标。

With AI changing regulations and buyers' expectations, Vanta knows what's needed and when, and they've built the fastest, easiest path to help you get there.

因此，认真的初创公司会尽早通过 Vanta 实现安全合规。

That's why serious startups get secure early with Vanta.

我们的听众可在 vanta.com/billionaires 获得 1000 美元折扣。

Our listeners get $1,000 off at vanta.com/billionaires.

访问 vanta.com/billionaires，立减 1000 美元。

That's vanta.com/billionaires for $1,000 off.

新的一年到了，这是终于开始实现您梦想事业的最佳时机。

It's the new year, which means that it's the best time to finally start the business you've been dreaming about.

就在几年前，我创办了自己的电子商务业务，而Shopify正是我起步所需的完美工具。

Just a couple years ago, I launched my own e commerce business and Shopify was exactly the tool I needed to get started.

尽管许多人不断推迟梦想，等到明年再行动，但我在这里要告诉你，现在就是抓住眼前机遇的时候。

While many people continually push off their dreams until the next year, I am here to tell you that now is the time to capitalize on the opportunities right in front of you.

Shopify为你提供了在线和线下销售所需的一切。

Shopify gives you everything you need to sell online and in person.

数百万创业者，包括我自己，都已经从普通人跃升为刚刚起步的创业者。

Millions of entrepreneurs, including myself, have already made this leap from household names to first time business owners just getting started.

你可以从数百个精美的模板中选择，并自定义它们，同时使用其内置的AI工具撰写产品描述或编辑产品图片。

Choose from hundreds of beautiful templates that you can customize and use their built in AI tools to write product descriptions or edit product photos.

随着你的成长，Shopify也会在每一步与你共同成长。

And as you grow, Shopify grows with you every step of the way.

在2026年，别再等待，立即开始用Shopify销售吧。

In 2026, stop waiting and start selling with Shopify.

立即注册每月1美元的试用版，今天就开始在shopify.com/wsb上销售。

Sign up for your $1 per month trial and start selling today at shopify.com/wsb.

前往 shopify.com/wsb。

Go to shopify.com/wsb.

那就是 shopify.com/wsb。

That's shopify.com/wsb.

在新的一年里，让 Shopify 陪伴你开启你的第一段旅程。

Hear your first this new year with Shopify by your side.

好的。

All right.

回到节目。

Back to the show.

用这种方式结束今天节目的第一部分真是太棒了。

What a wonderful way to wrap up the first segment here of today's episode.

本集将会

This episode will

持续七天。

go on for seven days.

这是为了

It's for

七天。

seven days.

不。

No.

但你的意思是，如果你要一句话概括，我不是在说人们要跳过第一部分，而是说，正因如此，你才想和阿诺德在一起。

But it's so you know, if you want to wrap that up in one sentence, I'm not telling people they have skip the first part, but it's like along with the way of saying it is that that is why you want to be around Arnold, because of this.

这真是件美好的事。

It's such a beautiful thing.

我不想让你太为难，所以在进入下一点之前，我简单提一下，我觉得这和我与你相处时的体验是一样的，也正因如此，我才会如此期待与你对话，也因为我一路上遇到的很多人，都说出了最温暖的话。

Without putting you too much on the spot, I'll just briefly mention before I go to the next point, but I think it's the same thing I experienced with you and why I'm so excited about speaking with you and why I hear so many people I meet on my way and they're saying the nicest things.

如果我问他们为什么喜欢你，我想可能会得到一百万种不同的回答，但和你在一起，就是让人感觉很好。

I think if I ask them why they like you, I think I would probably get a million different explanations, but it makes one feel good to be around you.

如果我能把这一百万种回答都浓缩成一句话——虽然这完全不公平——我会说，和你在一起，让人感觉很好。

If I could take all of those million explanations and put it into one sentence, which is not fair at all, I'd say it makes you feel good.

我经常想到你，这么说听起来可能不对，但每当我情绪低落时，我总会想到你。

I often think about you This is going to sound wrong whenever I say, I often think about you whenever I'm in a bad mood.

这听起来真的很糟糕，所以威廉，请别引用我这句话。

That sounds really, really wrong, so please don't quote me on this, William.

但有时当我被负面想法压得喘不过气时——这种情况确实会发生——我会想象从外部看待自己，试着把自己从那种负面状态中抽离出来。

But sometimes if I'm under pressure by negative thoughts, which certainly happens, I sometimes think about you as in looking at yourself from the outside and sort of lifting yourself out of that negative state.

我认为你帮助了我们所有人，即使没有成为更好的自己，至少有时也成了没那么糟的自己，而当你深陷低谷时，这是一件非常有力的事。

And I think you've helped all of us being if not a better version of ourselves, then sometimes a less bad version of ourselves, which whenever you're deep down is a very powerful thing.

是的。

Yeah.

谢谢你。

Thank you.

这话说得有点委婉。

That's kind of to say.

威廉，我想在这里转到本集的第二部分，我把它称为：我们是否都想要同样的东西？

William, I I want to transition here to the second part here of the episode, and I've called it, do we all want the same thing?

对于那些还记得我们上次讨论永恒真理的听众来说，我们曾谈到过少数超越时间和文化的真理，他们可能会觉得讨论这个话题很奇怪。

And for the listeners who might remember that last time we talked about eternal truth, and we talked about how few truths there were that transcended time and culture, they might think that's a weird thing to discuss.

因为今天我要提出一个大胆的主张——也许是个错误的主张，但我仍要大胆声称：我们都想要同样的东西。

Because today I'll make this bold claim, perhaps wrong claim, but this bold claim that we all want the same things.

我或许会排除一小部分患有特定诊断的人，我不确定，但我认为进化使我们所有人都渴望同样的东西。

And I am perhaps going to exclude a fraction of people with a specific diagnosis, I don't know, but I would argue that evolution had made it so that we all want the same things.

或者至少，这是我希望与你，威廉，一起探讨的一个假说。

Or at least this is a thesis I would like to test out together with you, William.

因此，我认为我们过去和现在所经历的许多冲突，都是因为我们想要同样的东西，只是表现方式不同。

So I think much of the conflict we had in the past and we have today is because we want the same things, but it manifests in different ways.

正因如此，我们觉得他人与自己截然不同，从而引发了大量冲突。

Because it happens that way, we found other people to be very different than us and it creates a lot of conflict.

所以，斯蒂格，你之前提到的一个观点是：我们需要超越自我，依你所说，我认为你完全正确，100%正确。

So Stig one of the things that you talked about before is this need to be bigger than ourselves, which to your point, I think you're absolutely right, 100% right.

我也认为这种需求会以不同的方式体现出来。

I also think it materializes different ways.

有时我们会对那些感觉不一样的人摇头不解。

And sometimes we shake our head at other people who just doesn't feel the same way.

所以当我这么说时，听起来可能像个傻瓜，请别太当真。

And so this I might sound a bit like a simpleton whenever I'm saying this, so please take it for what it is.

但我从小时候起就一直支持同一支运动队。

But I've been following the same sports team since I was a kid.

每当我遇到和我一样的人时，他们似乎对场上奔跑踢球的人感到着迷。

Whenever I would meet up with others like myself, they apparently get fascinated by people running around on the field kicking to a ball.

我觉得这比我自身更重要。

I feel it's bigger than me.

我们的许多听众会去奥马哈，我认为当他们身处那个体育场时，也会觉得那是一种超越自我的东西。

Many of our listeners go to Omaha and I would argue that they feel that it's something bigger than themselves whenever they're that stadium.

也许他们不会用这样的具体词语来思考，但我确信这种需求是相同的。

And perhaps they don't think about it in those specific words, but I do think that the need is the same.

因此，我认为在友谊方面也是如此，它们也以不同的方式体现出来。

And so I think it's the same thing whenever it comes to friendships that also materialize in different ways.

所以，我举的这个例子是，这可能是文化偏见，也可能是地域偏见，我不确定，但我觉得如果任何三十到五十岁的人看到我跟朋友聊天的 transcripts，他们可能会非常愤怒。

Stig So this example I came up with here is that and this might be a cultural bias or perhaps it's a buy bias, I don't know, but I think if anyone thirty:fifty saw a transcript of how I speak with my friends, they would probably be outraged.

他们至少会觉得我们激烈争吵过，但我要第一个说，当我能开玩笑地冒犯朋友，而他们也能回敬我时，这恰恰说明我们彼此之间有多自在。

They would at least think we had a nasty argument, but I'd be the first to say that whenever I can jokingly offend my friends so they can offend me, that's a signal to how comfortable we are with each other.

而如果你看到我和朋友在一起时过于礼貌，你可能会想：‘哦，肯定有新成员加入这个群体了’，因为突然间我们在一起时的行为方式完全变了。

Whereas if you see me with my friends and we are overly polite, I think you would be like, Oh, there must be a newcomer to the group or something because all of a sudden we behave whenever we're together.

所以我不知道这是否是最好的例子，但另一个与此相关的需要是社交的需求。

And so I don't know if that was the best example, but another need that's related to this is this need to be social.

无论这种社交是通过谷歌会议进行，还是面对面进行。

Whether that is on Google Meet or whether that's in person.

我认为它以不同方式体现出来，但我们都有这种社交需求。

I think it materials in different ways, we all have that social need.

所以让我给你讲一个简短的故事，关于我们虽然天性各异，但渴望的却是相同的。

And so let me just tell you this quick story of perhaps how we're wired all differently, but how we want the same.

我正在听一个很棒的播客，而这个播客的主持人住在我家三小时之外。

I'm listening to this wonderful podcast and the host of this podcast, he lives three hours away.

我知道他正在处理一个问题。

I know that he's dealing with an issue.

所以不知为何，我认为我实际上可以为这个人解决这个问题。

So for whatever reason, I think I can actually solve this issue for this person.

他根本不知道我是谁。

He has no clue who I am.

所以，我，我

And so I I

不该等。

shouldn't Wait.

你得告诉我们是什么样的问题。

You've to tell us what kind of issue.

是财务问题、商业问题，还是情感问题？

Like, this is a financial thing, a business thing, an emotional thing?

是的。

Yeah.

所以，他主要面临的是一个商业问题，但这个问题和他的情绪紧密相关。

So so he has a it's it's mainly a business issue, but it's very tied to his emotions.

因为我经历过同样的事情，所以我觉得我能帮上他。

And it's because I've gone through the same thing and I think could help with him with that.

我给他发了一封邮件，说：嘿，老兄，你有时间开个电话会议吗？

I sent him an email and I was like, Hey, dude, do you have time to jump on the call?

我不太记得自己具体是怎么写的了，可能看起来像在推销，我不确定。

And I don't remember exactly how I wrote it, so it might come off as a sales pitch, don't know.

但我当时说的是：嘿，你不用付我任何钱。

But I was like saying, Hey, don't pay me anything.

说实话，我们做的是同一个行业。

Honestly, we're in the same business.

我觉得我能帮到你。

I think I can help you.

你愿意参加一个在线会议吗？

Would you like to jump on an online meeting?

我会跟你详细讲讲这三十比五十是怎么解决这个问题的。

I'll talk you through thirty:fifty how this resolved this.

我想说，我收到了一封最奇怪的回信，因为我收到一封邮件，他非常生气——他是一位年长的先生，我只通过播客听过他的声音，从未见过面。

And I want to say I got the weirdest email back because I got an email and he was so offended I would He's an older gentleman and I've known him as I've only listened to him in a podcast format, so I never met him.

他一直显得非常友善，但他对我提议在线见面感到非常冒犯。

He always seemed super, super nice, but he got so offended that I wanted to meet him online.

顺便说一句，他非常坚持要当面见面，谁会喜欢当面见面呢？

Was super keen on meeting in person, by the way, who would love to meet in person?

但他觉得，建议我们进行在线通话是非常无礼的，因为这根本不是认识别人的方式。

But he was like, he found it to be such a rude thing to suggest that we could go on an online call because that is not how you meet other people.

所以，再次强调，我并不是说这是最好的例子，但我认为我们所有人都有这种社交需求。

And so again, I'm not saying this is the best example, but I think we all have this social need.

如果我只是把它看作是一个家伙真的对三十比五十感到愤怒的话

If I only read it as this is a guy who's really thirty:fifty mad

认为我惹他生气了，他真的很生我的气，我就不会看到他背后更深层的东西——其实我们所有人都有这种社交需求，只是表现形式不同

at me, he's really angry at me, I wouldn't have seen much behind him, which is basically we all have this social need, it just materializes in different

所以，我想最后说的是，我们每个人都应该想想别人如何看待我们。

So the last thing I just want to say to this is that think all of us, think about what other people think of us.

尽管我们从小就被教育说，这可能不是我们应该思考问题的方式。

Even though that we are taught from early age, that's probably not how we should be thinking about it.

但除非我们真的是个只有基本需求的婴儿——那种情况下，你可能还是会想着什么时候能吃到东西之类的。

But unless we are literally a baby who only have basic needs, well, that case, you're probably still thinking about whenever you get food or whatnot.

没有人是一座孤岛。

But no man is an island.

我想海明威可能会不同意我的观点，但谁知道呢？

Well, I think Hemingway might disagree with me, but who knows?

但我想说的是，我们都是社会性生物。

But I want to say that we're all social creatures.

你可能会举出像埃隆·马斯克这样的人，说：‘你看，他想干什么就干什么，根本不在乎别人怎么想。’

And you might point to someone like, I don't know, Elon Musk and be like, Oh, he does whatever he wants, he doesn't care.

但如果说有谁会在乎别人对他的看法，那一定是埃隆·马斯克。

If anyone cares what other people think of him, it's Elon Musk.

也许这并不是像在舞会上那样，你会想：‘我是不是很酷，还是不够酷？’

And perhaps it's not like whenever we are at the prom, you're like, Oh, am I cool or am not cool or whatever?

他拥有数十亿美元，当然可以，但这个家伙其实非常在意市场对他的看法。

He has a gazillion amount of money and he can Yeah, but this is a guy who really has to care about what the market thinks of him.

所以，这又以不同的方式体现出来。

So again, it materializes in different ways.

因此，我之所以说这些，是想给听众和观众提供一个新的框架，尤其是在我们所处的这个充满困惑的世界里——当人们看起来与你不同，他们实际上很少像表面看起来那样截然不同。

And so my point of saying all of this is that I wanted to give the listeners and the viewers a new framework, especially in a world that's a lot as confusing as the one we're in, where whenever people seem unlike you, they're rarely as different as they appear.

他们可能和你一样，渴望尊重、独立、陪伴和爱，但差异在于这些需求所呈现的形式。

Probably want the same things as you do, respect, independence, companionship, love, but the difference lies in the shape that it takes.

我努力记住这一点，尽管我一次又一次地失败，但每当我遇到阻力或感到被误解时，我都会提醒自己。

And I try to remember that even though I fail over and over again, but I try to remember that whenever I meet resistance or I feel misunderstood.

我不把对方当作敌人，而是试图用这个框架去看待问题——我不知道你是否知道，但我认为这是我从你那里学到的一件事，威廉，即使你并没有用这样的语言表达出来。

And instead of turning this other person into an enemy, I try to see it through that framework, which is, I don't know if you know this, but I think that's one of the things I learned from you, William, even if you didn't articulate it in those words.

所以，这就是我所说的：有时当我情绪低落时，我会想到你，但我会以一种积极的、30:50的视角去想你。

So that's what I mean whenever I say, sometimes whenever I'm down, I think of you, but I think about you in a good thirty:fifty context.

当然，当你平静且反思时，记住这个观点会容易得多，但如果你感到沮丧和被误解，那就难得多。

Of course, all of this is easier to remember this idea whenever you're calm and you're reflective, and it's much, much harder if you're frustrated and feel misunderstood.

但让我把话题交给你，威廉，我想问你：在那些时刻，你是如何提醒自己，对方也是一个和你有着相同需求的普通人？或者你会质疑‘你我需求相同’这个前提本身吗？

But let me throw it over to you, William, and ask you, how do you remind yourself in those moments that this is another fellow human being who wants the same things as as you do, or or do you challenge the entire premise that you you want the same things?

不。

No.

我认为‘我们都想要相同的东西’这个前提，从广义上来说，可能是正确的。

I I think the premise we all want the same things is probably, broadly speaking, true.

不是因为我相信它真的正确，而是因为比我更睿智、更聪明的人已经说过这是真的。

Not not because I think it's true, but because people who are much wiser and smarter than me have said it's true.

所以我常常回到威廉·詹姆斯的一句精彩话语，他是心理学领域的先驱。

So I I often come back to this wonderful line from William James, who is, you know, a trailblazer in the world of of psychology.

我记得这个故事：他曾在拉德克利夫学院教过一些学生，也就是哈佛的女生们，在他授课之后，学生们送给他一份礼物，我想是一盆复活节的杜鹃花。

I think the story is that he had some students at Radcliffe, you know, the the girls at Harvard who, after he had taught them, they sent him a gift, which I think was a potted azalea for Easter.

他深受感动，在十九世纪末给她们写了一封信。

And he was so touched that he wrote them a letter this in in the late nineteenth century.

他说，人性最深层的原则是对被欣赏的渴望。

And he said the deepest principle of human nature is the craving to be appreciated.

因此，他说自己写过一本庞大的心理学教材，却未能将这个关键点——我们所有人真正渴望的是被欣赏——包含在内。

And so he was saying that he had written this big psychology textbook and had failed to include in it this really key thing, this idea that really what we all crave is to be appreciated.

当他们送给他这份礼物时，这让他突然醒悟：哦，这就是我们真正想要的。

And that when they sent him this gift, it kinda reminded him, oh, that's what we want.

我认为，这是对人性的一种根本性理解：我们只是渴望被欣赏、被理解、被认可和被钦佩。

And I think that's a really fundamental understanding about human nature is that we just yearn to be appreciated and understood and recognized and admired.

因此，我认为有时我会努力提醒自己：我所遇到的这些人，他们只是希望被欣赏。

And so I think sometimes I I I really try to remind myself, like, the people I'm meeting, they just wanna be appreciated.

他们只是希望你能倾听他们、为他们留出空间，并告诉他们你欣赏他们、喜欢他们的原因。

They just they want you to kinda listen to them and hold space for them and tell them why you admire them and why you like them.

我认为这是一件非常有力的事情。

And I think that's a very powerful thing.

我的朋友廖炎，我希望不久后能邀请他做客我的播客，他在这方面非常睿智和深思熟虑，曾给各种人——比如家人等——写信，告诉他们自己多么欣赏他们。

And my friend Yan Liao, who I hope I'll have on the podcast before too long, who's very wise and thoughtful about these things, has written letters to various people, you know, family members and the like, telling them why he appreciated them so much.

他有一种紧迫感。

And he has a sense of urgency.

你知道吗？

You know?

他说，我们不知道自己还能活多久。

He's like, well, we don't know how long we'll live.

我们也不知道别人还能活多久。

We don't know how long anyone else will live.

你知道吗？

You know?

那就现在说吧。

Like, say it now.

这激励了我，我最近给一位亲戚发了一条很长的消息，告诉他我多么钦佩他、尊重他。

And this kind of inspired me, and I I wrote a a long message to someone recently, a relative, saying why I admired him so much and respected him so much.

我认为这产生了相当深远的影响。

And I think I think it had quite a profound effect.

我认为这个人非常坚强、坚韧，在某些情况下甚至显得冷漠，但他却被深深打动了，告诉我他试着读给妻子听，结果却哽咽得读不下去。

I think this person is quite tough, quite strong, and quite unemotional in certain circumstances, was so deeply touched and said to me that he tried reading it to his wife and actually started to choke up and couldn't read it.

我觉得我们内心深处都有一个强烈的需求：想要被重视、被理解、被看见、被听见。

And I feel I feel like we have this deep need to matter and to be understood and and to be seen and to be heard.

因此，我想鼓励我们的听众，以 yen 为榜样，去告诉别人，写信给他们。

And so I I I think one thing I would encourage our listeners to do inspired by Yen is tell people, like, write to them.

对于英国人来说，表达情感和真诚是非常困难的，你知道的。

It's very hard for an Englishman, you know, to express emotion and to be sincere.

我是在一个重要的生日庆典上这么做的，那是个大寿辰。

And I I did it on you know, it was like a big round birthday for someone.

所以我选择不送礼物，而是做了这件事。

And so I sort of chose that instead of getting a gift, actually.

我本该送份礼物的，但我太懒了，也太吝啬，没去买礼物。

I probably should have got a gift, but I was too lazy and ungenerous to get a gift.

但至少我说出了那些我可能从未说过的真心话。

But at least I said, you know, these things that I think probably I had never said.

实际上，甚至都不是‘可能’。

Actually, not even probably.

绝对是从未说过的。

Definitely, had never said.

所以我认为第一件事是，认识到人们需要被欣赏，并尝试表达感激之情。

So I I think that's the first thing is, like, recognize that people need to be appreciated and try to express appreciation.

然后第二件事，有人送了我一本达赖喇嘛写的关于四圣谛的书，今天早上我随意翻开了它，我经常这么做。

And then the second thing, someone gave me this this book by the Dalai Lama on the four noble truths, and I I opened it kinda randomly this morning, which I often do.

我大概知道自己在找什么，但我觉得恰好翻到了他写的一段话：‘每个人天生都有追求幸福、摆脱痛苦的内在愿望，这是一个自然的事实。’

And I I sorta knew what it was I was looking for, but I think it came out on the exact page where he said, it is a fact, a natural fact of life, that each one of us has an innate desire to seek happiness and to overcome suffering.

这是一项非常根本的佛教教义。

And that's a really fundamental Buddhist teaching.

对吧？

Right?

这种想法认为，我们所有人都相同，都希望快乐，都不愿受苦。

This idea that we're all the same in that we wanna be happy and we don't wanna suffer.

所以我认为，有一些事情是毫无疑问的，是我们共同拥有的。

And so I think I think there are certain things that are just kind of undeniably true that we share.

我们都不想受苦，所有人都渴望幸福，但我们对如何实现幸福、痛苦的根源以及幸福的根源感到困惑。

None of us wants to suffer, and all of us wanna be happy, and we're confused about how to do it and what the causes of suffering are and what the causes of happiness are.

这也是为什么你会研究像西藏佛教这样的东西——比如达赖喇嘛的教义，或者为什么你会研究像阿诺德这样的人——以便弄清楚：这些是造成不快乐的原因，而很多原因其实是我们自己行为造成的，而不仅仅是外部环境。

And that's one one of the reasons why you study things like Tibetan Buddhism in the case of the Dalai Lama or why you study someone like Arnold is so you can figure out, oh, well, these are the causes that create unhappiness, and a lot of it is created by us through our own behavior, not just our external conditions.

而这些是减少痛苦的原因。

And these are the causes that reduce suffering.

所以请帮助我多做前者，少做后者。

And so help me do more of one and less of the other.

因此，清楚地理解我们想要什么、不想要什么，以及如何实现目标，是非常重要的。

So so it's really important to have these understandings of of what we want and what we don't want and how to get there.

我认为西藏佛教在这方面非常有帮助。

And I think Tibetan Buddhism is hugely helpful on that front.

另一个我认为是佛教绝对基本真理的概念是：我们彼此之间有着深刻而紧密的相互联系与依存关系。

Another thing that I guess is absolutely essential truth of Buddhism is this idea that we're so deeply interconnected and interdependent.

我认为，甚至有一种观点认为，在某个前世中，每个人曾经都做过你的母亲、父亲、兄弟或其他亲人。

There's there's even this idea, I think, that at some point in some past life, basically, everyone has been your mother or your father or your brother or whatever it is.

因此，我们应该对所有人怀有广大的慈悲，因为他们曾经照顾过我们。

And so we should have this vast compassion for everyone because they took care of us at some point.

无论你是否认为这是字面意义或隐喻意义上的真实，这是一种非常美好的态度：因为每个人都渴望幸福、避免痛苦，我们彼此相连、相互依存，所以我们应当心怀慈悲。

And whether you think that's literally or metaphorically true, it's a really beautiful attitude that because everyone wants to be happy, everyone wants to avoid suffering, and we're all interconnected and all interdependent, we should be compassionate.

我们应当为他人祈愿最好的结果。

We we should wish the best for other people.

我认为，这是培养慈悲心非常有力的基础。

I think that's a that's a really, really helpful basis for being compassionate.

此外，还有一些我经常思考的其他修行方法，它们在应对某些难相处的人时很有帮助，有时即使对方并不难缠，但当我们情绪不好，或他们触发了我们的某种情绪时，这些方法也很有用。

And then there are various other practices that I I think about quite a lot that I think are kinda helpful for dealing sometimes with difficult people, sometimes just with people who aren't that difficult, but may with a difficult one or we're in a bad mood or they just trigger something.

我认为你之前提到的，试着从他们的视角看问题，这一点极其重要。

And I think this idea that you mentioned before of just seeing things through their lens is hugely important.

因此，从理智上来说，对我来说，相对容易去想：他们之所以这样行为，是有原因的。

So I find intellectually, for me, it's reasonably easy to think, here's why they act this way.